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Why Artists Choose ApeChain @MullsOnApe @gkoi0x
Recorded: July 18, 2025 Duration: 1:09:09Space Recording
Short Summary
The 'Girl in the Verse' show launches with exciting NFT giveaways and discussions on community engagement, partnerships, and the growth of Ape Chain, highlighting the dynamic landscape of crypto and Web3.
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the girl in the verse show where we talk about all things nfts gaming the metaverse because i am the girl in the verse this episode
is powered by gcoy i want to give a shout out to the fam and yes today we're giving away quite a
few things we're giving away a nazuki beans nft during the show so if you're here live make sure
to like retweet and tag two friends you can follow girl in in the Verse, the G-Coy account to enter.
Why don't you also follow Riz,
who's up on stage?
Because we're interviewing Riz today.
I want to, you know,
just give a little,
I guess, let me just say who Riz is. We've been friends for a while now,
up on the timeline.
He's one of my fave apes,
active apes on the timeline and has launched a
collection moles on ape on the ape chain collection i think they've pivoted quite a few times but we're
gonna get into that we're also gonna be giving away some moles on ape chain and um our friend
here keith is also giving away $500.
So there's so much to give away today.
Happy Friday, everybody.
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Hone also wants to come up on stage.
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I was trying to get NFT Kid here as well.
But Riz, thank you so much for being here.
I guess maybe to start, let's do like a mic check.
And also, why don't you tell people who you are, what you're about.
And yeah, we'll get started.
Thanks for being here.
I guess check, check, so you can hear me.
Yeah, my name is Riss.
I'm an artist and I've been in the space since mid-21.
mid 21. Um, I got my, my first shots doing, uh, illustrations and custom drawings of
Bored Apes for the, the BAYC community. And I got my foot in the door. And then from there,
just learning as much as I can. Um, and so in my oats, trying to, trying to give back where I can,
trying to learn where I can, trying to, can, trying to make it here in the space.
I love it. Well, thanks for being here. Really excited to have you here today.
I guess like maybe my first question for you, because I know you've been a longtime holder of like the Bored Apes.
You've got this sick mutant one up there up there as your pfp i see
your moles there on the shoulder um i guess maybe tell us what made you take the leap from collector
to founder with moles on ape um well to quick correction i didn't get a full-blown mutant or ape until last year at ApeFest.
I was lucky enough to be invited into the space, into crypto Twitter, by one of my IRL buddies that I met, actually through Twitter.
He was one of my Twitter friends and became an IRL friend because I found out he lived near me.
But he got into the apes early and was hey hey riss you got to get into
this you gotta it's like 200 bucks just get yourself one and i was like oh that's kind of
a lot of money i don't have that right now let's see what happens and then as i waited and waited
uh i lost the opportunity to jump in but uh i i found the cool cats community i found the goats
i found dgen network i found a bunch of other places where i could jump in and was lucky enough I found the Cool Cats community. I found the GOATS. I found DGN Network.
I found a bunch of other places where I could jump in
and was lucky enough to talk my way in through art commissions,
part of one of his Bored Apes.
So I owned a portion of one for a little while,
and when that one was sold,
it allowed me to venture out and support more art,
buy art where I could. That's one thing that I try to do is I try to collect and give back.
I've been lucky enough that people have found my art and have pushed it to other people. So when
I see artists, I try to give back, try to collect their works. You said, so go back to that.
Last year going into ApeFest,
Shop Vanga needed some art help
as they were getting ready for their POAPs
and for their promotional media.
And I did the artwork and the illustrations for them as they got ready for Lisbon.
And that was the last little bit of ETH I needed to make the step and get myself my own mutant.
I had been looking for a very long time.
My daughter and I had been looking for a long time.
She helped pick this one out.
She's a big part of my journey here. We're learning together.
So when I joined the Cool Cats in the beginning, I got her a cat. So she has her own cat. She has
her own NFT. She has her own stuff that I'm never allowed to sell ever. So when I had the opportunity
to get myself a mutant, we went down and went through the ones that I could afford and what was available, and we picked this one together. So 2629 was one that we got as a
group effort. Going into the apes, the Moles on Apes part of that, we were looking for a mutant
to influence our Moles on Ape art. if you can see in every one of the
molten ape there's a silhouette of my mutant down there at the bottom it's
almost like a signature piece is the little tag that we put on there it
influenced the the backgrounds the traits the the expressions as well as a
mean culture and the friends that I've made along the way.
So getting the mutant, getting officially in and actually having the token was a big part of the Moles on Ape as well as my journey here.
How was it like creating a collection there with your daughter?
How was that experience?
I have to thank, I guess it's hard to say thank COVID, but COVID was the catalyst that started
all of this because we had homeschooling in a word, because we had to keep busy,
everyone inside. I was doing a lot of drawing with my daughter. It's
something that we both really, really love. And, uh, she's extremely talented and, uh, we would
just do sketches and drawings and that became part of our schedule as well as because, um,
mostly remember we couldn't do normal things during COVID, but golf was one of the things that was encouraged.
It was an outdoor activity that I introduced my kid to the game of golf, and she loved it.
She likes really driving the cart more than anything else, but she's got a mean swing, and she makes more putts than I do.
So introducing the game of golf to her during COVID covid as well as the drawing time and sessions
we had uh we combined those two loves together when we created uh the mulls on ape um i had
already had the mulligan character which she had named i had drawn that alongside uh clon
went on one of his uh cat Twitch streams he had done
Giving back and meeting and and
Drawing alongside the fellow creatives in the space is one of the things I love so much about here and I've made amazing art friends and
Like I said, I try to support and I've been supported by them
Just the kind words the opening of doors, the promotion of media,
trying to give back. The space here, there's so many amazing creatives and this space is so talented that every single day I meet and I try to push more and more artists. But yeah,
the first mulligan was drawn while I listened to Klon draw his
characters on his Twitch stream. So that was really the creation of the Mulligan. And then
when my daughter was like, oh, we need to name him Mulligan, it was one of the words
she loved most about the golf game. So it was just, it was perfect.
game. So it was just, it was perfect.
I love that. I love that story. Um,
I'm trying to see here, obviously we've got your shocker here, co-host.
We've got Keith here too. If you guys want to say a few words or,
but I just wanted to get the convo going, but, uh, feel free to jump in. Um,
it's funny how like golf brought you guys together I've never actually played golf
I feel like I should ask my dad
let's go golfing, let's try it out
you're kind of making me want to
it's the greatest game
there are so many aspects
to it where it's you against
you, it's you against your friends
it's you against nobody
it's just having a good time
there are so many ways that someone
who's been playing their entire life and someone who's never played before can go out there and
with the handicap system with the side games you can play with just grip it and rip it and have a
good time uh you can go out to a course to putt putt to golf, to whatever you want to do and experience golf.
And it's great.
And I've been on some stages with Empty Kid and talked golf a little bit with him,
as well as trying to push the try to introduce the next generation of crypto degens.
And my daughter is one of those.
So we've had some combos in the past, the last year about that.
I would love to go out to Vegas.
The golf opportunity out there is just so nice.
I'm East Coast, so the weather is 110 degrees in the summer and zero in the winter.
When we can get out, we get out.
But it's not Vegas.
I love that.
I was going to say, too, you know, when I first saw the malls, I was like, oh, this is interesting.
It wasn't something that we that we would see right in like in the crypto space, like like golf balls, golfing.
What do you think is so powerful about potentially connecting these IRL hobbies like golf with NFTs?
Are you starting to see maybe that you want to maybe go to these golf courses and try to get them to minter NFTs?
That's one of the things I was lucky enough maybe a month ago.
I'm outside.
I'm in Northern Virginia. So we had Live Gulf Virginia came to my area and I went and bought tickets and brought my family and my kid.
And I did a giveaway.
We did a custom Moles on a skate deck.
We got it designed and then made.
And I gave it to one lucky community member who
found me and the other designers. I say that in quotes, like my kid and me and my family and my
friends were there. And I had done drops. I had done key chains and stickers and golf balls.
I had left them in certain spots around the golf course and they were picked up by people. I was found and then I handed off the skate deck.
So a community member has a skate deck with the mulligans on it all because of live golf. And
you said how to get more involved with the people. It's the, the D gen mindset is with golf. It's,
it's gambling. It's, it's fun. It's, it's, it's a sport. It's gambling. It's fun.
It's a sport.
It's every part of what makes the crypto space so good.
Golf is as good.
And they mesh so well together.
But a lot of people don't know that.
They've never even thought of that.
So one thing, too, is I'm trying to push the game of golf,
as well as art, as well as crypto,
all together with these models.
I love it no i'm telling you it's it's been very interesting to see you grow and the journey as well we've been uh we've been friends for a while anyway on the uh on the timeline um i guess like
my next question would be because i i do feel like you switched from Chainz.
Now, just remind us where you were, because now you're on Ape Chain.
Ape Chain seems to be taking the timeline by a storm.
Talk to us about why the switch to, I guess, or the merge to Ape Chain, and what you're seeing on Ape Chain that you felt like this would be the best place for me to grow here?
I got my start on ETH.
I'm an ETH guy.
I've always loved ETH.
My very first collection, learning how to mint,
I did the open minting through OpenSea in the very beginning.
My first collection was the 8-Bit Tea Time guys,
which are pixel golfers.
I was learning the ropes.
I made 360 of them.
I sold a couple in the very beginning,
which allowed me to get some of the capital
needed to have fun in the space.
But I started with ETH,
and then from there I worked my way to Polygon
because of the gas fees.
It was bad.
You try to sell an 8-bit tee time golfer for $20, but then gas would be $60 to send it somewhere.
It really needed a better way of doing that, especially for an inexpensive mint, an inexpensive art piece.
I just want the art out there.
As an artist, I put all my effort and all my time into the creation of it I want it to be experienced and
appreciated so just sending stuff are off it wasn't very affordable to do that
when it cost more to send someone than they always charging for the actual
piece but from ETH to Polygon and Polygon I really liked that it was it was
cheaper but then you had so many
spam collections and you got, there's so many scam opportunities. I didn't want anyone who
found my art or liked my art to get a different collection, to lose their ETH, to get a false
art piece that wasn't mine that someone just copy-pasted and saved and put up there.
art piece that wasn't mine, that someone just copy-pasted and saved and put up there.
So looking for a more affordable way was always the next step for me, because like I said,
I want the art to be appreciated. I looked into Soul. I tried to mint the first mulligans on Soul,
but I was... many different hurdles about that but then I discovered bass
and the first
Mulligan sketches
are on bass and they're
still, they're a free mint, they're still out there
you can get them
it was exploring just the ways
of the character, the face-face
trait, the different
backgrounds, just
turning the sketches that I had done with my daughter
into more, in-quote, art pieces.
And I minted them on base.
And some of them were sold.
A lot of them were just, I gave them away
because that's what you could do on base.
You could send things off.
You could give them to people as thank yous,
give them to fans, give them to holders
of the tea-time golfers that I had.
I gave them the molds on base that was out there.
And then from there, when Ape Chain was getting more popular, I'd already had some Ape.
I had followed being part of the BOSC community.
I had my foot in the door.
But when Ape Chain started to get more prominent,
I knew that that's the step I needed to take.
And then getting my mutant, it pushed it.
We were going to do Moles on Ape.
And a shout out to Steve Bark.
He threw out the idea of,
instead of naming them moles on soul or moles
on base, do moles on chain, which allowed me to keep the moles on base and then do the moles on
ape. And the door is always open. If I want to explore different chains, I have that opportunity,
almost like an umbrella. So moles on chain is like one of the accounts we have out there,
chain is like one of the accounts we have out there, which is the overarching body of it. And
then the moles on eight fall underneath them. So there might be whatever the next chain is or
other opportunities. I don't want to be restricted by maxis out there to not see or appreciate the
art that is being made. So this gives me the opportunity to in the future, if I need to,
or if I want to, I can't explore those avenues and share the art that way.
And I guess maybe talk to us about the Ape Chain community. I mean, a lot of them are very loud on
the timeline, which I love, and they're very active. So what's that been like since,
since you're now a part of ape chain?
I love ape chain.
I've had such a blast and,
and found such amazing artists on here.
The reason why I tried to look for other chains was because it was so
expensive and the inexpensive nature of ape chain,
the ability to mint things for,
for pennies on the dollar for to send them for
fractions of a penny to people all around the world to get mass exposure to share my work
has been great um plus being part of the the ape space uh trying to represent i love I love my apes. I love my mutants.
But yeah, I love Ape Chain. I love the whole
Ape Chain on top.
The fact that
the builders are here, the
creators are here, the artists are
finding their way here.
And I know it's
cliche to say that the wag
me state of mind was lame,
but I feel like there is a way of
of we're all going to make it here at ape chain if you are not
well i think you cut out or your your headphones or something got cut off can you hear me now
yeah i could hear you okay you. What I was saying is
I think that
even though Wagme was lame,
we as
builders and creators on Ape Chain
can recognize
when others are here
for the long run, they're not trying to scam
and we help each other
out. We push each other.
We promote different art pieces,
and I'm really looking forward to see where this takes us.
Like, even listening to Spaces this morning,
I think Clubhouse was talking about
how when more capital comes in,
when the more outside money finds its way into Ape Chain,
the opportunities are going to grow.
The mints aren't going to be for three or four apes.
They could be 30, they could be 40,
they could be 100 ape mints.
And we are building this strong foundation now
for when that time comes,
we will be ready and we will be the ones that they look to
and we will be the ones that can help the newbies when they enter.
I love it. I love it.
It's true that, you know, like, when we think of normies
and how they view NFTs, there's always the Bored Apes.
Like, you know, Bored Apes did bring NFT culture to mainstream, you know i i'm even able to acknowledge that
like um right they were the they were the number one at everything everyone copied them ever made
everyone made derivatives of them because exactly yeah so it's gonna be interesting to see um how
a chain is gonna evolve but um so riz what's the community
like even even in terms of apes like do you find um those who hold apes and ape coin um are
supportive when it comes to like art art on ape chain like how has that been like i think they're
they're extremely supportive and well that's one of the things that I'm here for the art.
And people kept saying they're here for the art.
And apes are art.
It might be a little tongue-in-cheek or jokey when they say that.
But the more you say it, the more you talk it into existence.
You talk it into belief.
And even the ones that were hesitant to say that they were here for the art in the beginning are here for the art.
And I'm glad to say that they are here for the art in the beginning are here for the art and I'm glad to say that that they are here I am here for that and our numbers that are here for the art are
growing every single day yes the the possibilities of making life-changing money if you hit it right
or do something or is is here and is great but you're probably not going to do that. And as an artist, I want the art to be
appreciated. Um, the, okay. I really think that ape chain and apes and the communion hold are so
supportive that almost too supportive in ways that like people need to learn they can't just create a collection and push it out there
uh i want the art to be good i don't want it to be uh ai prompt create a thousand pieces or
10 000 pieces and just push it uh art is a skill it is a driving force It is something that is more passionate to me and to others.
So the blood, sweat, and tears, I think, should go into it.
Though I'm not going to say that I'm against AI,
I think it's a tool.
And just like how Photoshop and digital art was scoffed at
when I was in college and art school,
and now we don't paint anymore.
Everything
is digital. When the professors
I had back in the day were saying that
it's a waste of money, don't even
bother doing it. Make sure you have
your acrylics and your oil paints
safe. That's what you need.
So the torch has been
passed and I think AI as a tool
the ones who can prompt, the ones who can use it, the ones who
can bend it to their will will become the next artists moving forward.
Um, I had heard people talk about in the spaces that the early NFTs, the twenties, the 21s,
the 22s of the artist made art NFTs might become collectible later down the line as the ai
crisped clean uh prompted artwork dominates and replaces everything the the art with the mistakes
the arts with the the human aspect the art with the, uh, I guess the errors of creation where sometimes the,
the layers don't quite work because someone had, and it started from a sketch or something like
those were, there's so many little tiny pieces like that, that are prominent in so many of the
great collections that started, like my favorite cool cat 991515 is my scuba cat, it was my PFP for
a very long time
there are slight
errors to it, like I can
see where Klon built it, where he drew the
pieces, where he did the
shadows are not
right, and almost like where a brush
overlapped, and he wasn't
caught in their editing process
it's one of the reasons why I
love my cool cat so much. And I think it's so much better than the ones that are perfect is
because it's not perfect. It was built by an artist. It was built with love. And moving forward,
I fear that the art will lose that,
but because we're in a space of collectors,
maybe the pieces that will always have that,
the ones from the early days,
will become sought out.
And those artists that put in the time to make them
won't be forgotten and they'll be remembered.
So that's something I hope happens.
I was like, you're speaking Jashaka's language.
Hey, Jashaka, what do you think about AI art?
GMGA.
So great to have you here.
Love your story.
Love your journey.
Love your art.
First, I would like to say that thanks to Mozambique,
I think in our last raid art contest, we onboarded close to 100 artists to Ape Chain.
And thank you very much for that. Thank you. afforded to do that any other way, both between the cost of the eight-year NFTs, because they're
not expensive, but also the gas fees. It was like one cent per transfer. If this was any other chain,
it would have cost us hundreds of dollars just in transfer fees alone. And it was like fast and instant. And I have to say the artists, they loved it
because when we do a contest like this and you have a hundred artists and there's, you know,
six or nine prizes, then a lot of the artists feel kind of left out, but everybody can't be
a winner. But in this contest, everyone was a winner and you should see how happy some of these guys were
to have won their mulls on ape it just you know they felt so respected so i i'm so glad that we
made that connection um very cool and i can see utility right in i guess a lot of people don't see
utility in extremely low gas fees.
Even myself, I'm like, I don't care when I buy, if I'm spending 500 bucks on an NFT,
I don't really care what the gas is.
But if you have to give away 100, then all of a sudden you're like, wow, the gas is a big deal, right?
Super cool.
And love your story with your daughter.
I'm not a golfer i grew up next to a golf course in jamaica and golfing when i was a kid it was for rich people so we actually used to
work where my house was there was a lake and the golfers used to always hit the balls in the lake
so we would go and fish out the balls and sell them back to the golfers. So that was kind of my exposure to golfing.
But maybe one day I can pick it up.
Where I live in Mallorca, they have a golf course.
So I'm going to go check it out.
I hope you do.
I hope you do pick it up.
It's an amazing game that you're never too old to learn, never too old to get better.
And you're never too young to start.
So I think it's
perfect plus if I can ride those buggies right the buggies are fun right like I said my I think
it was one of the things that got my kid to love it the most was she would drive around and she
cracked into track crashed into a bunch of trees sometimes like it's and it made memories so
there's one course that we go to and every single time we go by this one turn
she tells whoever we're with who even if it's a random person that got added to our foursome
oh i i crashed into that tree there oh i hit that rock i almost flipped over at the sand trap and
it was a huge smile on her face she'll tell that story and yeah it's it's building memories. It's bonding. Can you trickle the buggies?
Because I would like trickle my buggie.
You can.
My brother-in-law's got a
tricked out golf cart.
And he uses it all year round.
He does the 4th of July parade in his neighborhood.
He drives around.
That is an American thing.
That is so American.
It's so American, but yet so legit.
It's nice.
I was going to say, any excuse for a girl to get new outfits, you know, I'll go golfing.
Yeah, totally.
I think what you were saying on the AI side, so I guess we're realizing it is a part of life, right?
And, I mean, I think we are learning to support artists who are using it as a tool.
You know, one of my sons, he's in art school. He's studying art.
My other son, he's a musician. He's in school learning music.
And, you know, on one side, I'm concerned for their futures. Right.
futures right as a dad you have to be like you know what are they gonna do um i noticed on
As a dad, you have to be like, you know, what are they going to do?
spotify they had some ai band that got like millions of downloads and then people found out
um i think the society has a love-hate relationship with ai at the moment um on one side it's taking
jobs on the other side it's a great tool To accelerate work, to streamline the things we do.
So you love it on one side, you hate it on the other. And I guess we'll just see how art evolves
and how artists evolve. I believe that projects like what we're doing with Raid is great because
I think more and more it will be about the artists, not really the tools, right?
I mean, I know there's one AI artist
that I think their art is amazing.
They have their own servers, they built their own AI.
So they're kind of really using it as a tool.
They do like 70% of the jobs done in manually
and they use the AI to dream up the ideas um i'm not sure how different that is from
artists who use like poser to lay out the characters in a scene and then draw over the
characters right so but um in 10 years time it will be totally different right i mean in 10 years time
um it will be so integrated into everything it's not like you know you'll be
able to call it out so um the great thing about x and web3 however is that you know people will
follow you respect you um buy your goods and products based on on who you are, right? On your profile and your activities and so on.
So I think X has actually become an amazing tool
for artists, right?
To be able to be seen, to be heard, to get commissions.
But yeah, it's a very interesting conversation.
I'm a 3D artist and AI hasn't really hit our segment yet in a disruptive way,
right? You can't really sit down and say, okay, I need a 3D princess and I want her to walk around
in front of a river with a waterfall, but that's probably coming as well.
That's definitely coming. You're saying 10 years.
10 years is a lifetime, especially in this space.
It's a lifetime.
I mean, I'm more saying in 10 years, it will be totally different, right?
So, I mean, we're in, what, year two of OpenAI and ChatGPT.
So, it's kind of like when the web just came out,
it disrupted a lot of things as well.
Look at the disruption Amazon has done to retailers, right?
And the learning curve.
The next generation aren't having to learn it.
They will grow up with it.
So it'll be second nature to them.
And the abilities and the things, the next steps that they'll take with it. So it'll be second nature to them. And the abilities and the things,
the next steps that they'll take with it,
we won't even, well, we can't even think of.
It'll be so second nature to them
that they'll take that third step, fourth step,
fifth step from there that is so far ahead
of where we are right now that it's just exciting
to think about what those possibilities can be.
I think also on the animation side for artists,
because I see like tons of artists do commissions,
but the ability, if you did a commission,
to then bring it to life for the person who buys it.
You know, I think even in like advertising,
they say that videos get a thousand times more interaction than images.
But I mean, I love supporting the artists.
I love the commissions.
But I would also so love for my commissions to come to life. If an artist creates it and then the character swings the sword,
this would be so epic.
So I'm encouraging them to learn the tools now
after some exposure and advice from people, as opposed to fight
against it, but still to keep that human level, right? You know, if an artist creates an artwork,
and then they can bring it to life, I think this would be the next cool step for Web3,
if everything in your timeline is alive, right, and moving and on so very cool very cool i would love to know what
you think about um other side and what's happening there i know that yuga labs have invested a ton
of money in it um i know that the the whole board ape community is massively behind it um we did a space with Keith you know is 3D the new alpha um not necessarily
a 3D NFT but you know 3D experiences are also going to change how we perceive our content our
content right now is very two-dimensional right um but when you jump into a 3D space it becomes
three-dimensional it's a really not a picture taking up your feet.
It's a picture on a wall.
And if you look to the left, you don't see it anymore.
But Tom, we'd love to know your thoughts on the other side
and what's happening there.
I'm excited to see where it goes and how they do it.
And you're saying it's not a picture, it's a 3D.
But then you look at the other deeds.
The other deeds are 2D drawings of the 3D space.
And then you're seeing how they're rebuilding them to be the 3D space, but you're not losing the 2D other deed.
So that's one thing I like about that.
It's not a replacement.
It's an addition to.
So it is, like you said, 3D and AI taking over the space.
It's an advancement.
It's a tool.
It's a way of turning something into something else.
It's not killing what was there.
You're not deleting or burning what already existed.
You're making something completely new or adding on to it.
So that right there is just super exciting.
Yeah, I look forward to it.
I've got my Project Dragon was legit.
I can't wait to see what's coming.
Plus the community aspect of it.
Yes, that a lot is happening.
Yes, people are joining.
Yes, they're able to jump on the other side.
But also they're sharing the experiences.
They're taking the screenshots.
They're taking the videos.
They're pushing it. And with every single post that is made, you share the knowledge that you
gained and the art that's there. So I'm excited. Yeah, because I mean, 3D also just being 3D,
there's a learning curve, right? I mean, 2D games, for instance, they're easy to play. But, you know, 3D games, somebody can shoot you in the back of the head, right?
You can't see in 360 degrees.
But Fortnite has prepared the younger generation for this, right?
I mean, I think we all have the Fortnite generation growing up.
And these will be the people who come into other side and be more
probably way more active well not not just the fortnight generation you then you have the younger
than them the roblox generation where with the with the building community the artists in there
the the open ability to to make something new to to make obbies for others to play. And they're going to come in and
they're going to grow up with it. So yes, we have the Call of Duty, the Xers, and the
millennials and the Fortnite people coming in with the asset.
Yep, you got that.
It's going to be great.
That's the generations of builders right there's also a
app I love for the oculus called VR chat and VR chat has tons of builders as well um it's kind of
like the VR version of Roblox right yeah so yeah it is coming um metaverse is coming the hopefully
metaverse will change back to a positive from a negative
it's kind of like yeah i i just went to like a crypto event last night and i was like i believe
in the metaverse and there were crickets they were looking at me weird and i was like it's not a bad
word it's kind of like in the dictator when he goes aladdin or Aladin, right? So you kind of don't know if it's a good word or a
bad word, right? It comes around. But I'm really stoked. I'm a 3D artist. And I don't think 3D
art has become a thing because metaverse needs to be a thing first. I think Apple is probably
going to help to change that. I was going to say that, Jashaka. Someone last night was like, you should go to the Apple store and try the Vision Pro because I didn't purchase it.
Did you purchase it? Did any of you purchase it? I have Oculus. I think it was too expensive.
Me too. It's the Apple model, right? And I think once they get it right, they'll drop a $500 pair that will be like earth changing, right?
Because once you have a $500 Vision Pro, I think the Vision Pro demolishes the Oculus, to be honest, as far as hardware is concerned.
I haven't tried it.
I have the Oculus at home, but I haven't used it in a while.
I'm not gonna lie it's uh it's proudly collecting dust but um apparently for those of you may be
I'm not going to lie.
It's proudly collecting dust.
interested like you could go to the apple store and just like go play with it but yeah I I also
thought it was too too expensive of a price tag right now like you remember the ads they were
like your kids could use it you could use it your wife can use it like I really doubt that people
were spending thousands and thousands of dollars to own like two three of them in one house because it was
just too expensive um but yeah i agree with you once once apple's going to be able to like bring
the price down which i think that's the one thing that mark zuckerberg did well um was keeping the
price tag low um but yeah we'll have to see. Like I always say,
it's good to have healthy competition
in terms of devices.
But yeah, we'll see.
Look, we've got people that came up on stage.
This could either go bad or good.
Zenda, GM, what's up?
You have a question for Riz?
For any of us?
GM, GM, I'm audible.
Okay, thank you very much for being here.
I have a question to ask.
So I don't know if I can go can go ahead yeah sure go ahead okay my my
wisdom is for art is a look looking to create a generative at all last last collection how does the opportunity in infrastructure ensure if efficient and cost
effective uh maintenance and the distribution even for thousands of of uh unique pieces thank you
I'm not sure.
I can try and answer that.
Rhys, do you want to answer it?
Was the question how to get the step and get the stuff minted?
Was that the question you were asking?
Yeah, I can't tell.
Yeah, yeah.
For artists looking to create a generative art or landscape
collections how does a approach in infrastructure so ensure efficient and cost effective
maintenance and distribution thank you well what what i did was i created the art first uh created
all the trades uh many many many hours, many months.
With the original Moles, it was years to create all the traits to put together going off of the Moles on Base and then the Moles on Ape.
But I got my first, my Moles on, the Moles on Base were through props.
They helped out a lot, but I had already done the artwork itself and I had already done, I had already written the Python code to make the individual pieces be put together.
And then with the moles on Ape, I went through Blubber and they were extremely helpful
because I was trying to get up on Ape Chain.
But if you're thinking just as the artist, I had done everything from manually building each individual
and with a spreadsheet monitor the percentages and
what's where used then working through realizing that was going to take forever and it did take
forever with the eight big golfers that i was doing was uh learning the python code to to build
it for me and then going through manually to figure out which traits did not work together
because that's one thing too is you can spend hours and hours creating the greatest artwork and then going through manually to figure out which traits did not work together.
Because that's one thing too, is you can spend hours and hours creating the greatest artwork in the world, but if the traits don't mesh well together, or they can fit, but if they don't look good,
and you wouldn't want that to be a representative of what you want to push,
then you've got to remove that from the collection itself.
So that's one thing
I did with the, uh, the 3,333 moles. We made 6,000, uh, and what we did, we, we made a lot
of them, but, uh, say 6,000 at least, and then push through and, and, and trimmed the fat to
get the good ones in quotes. So that's one thing that it takes time.
It's not just a plug and play,
push the button and get your magic art,
which is why I fear about AI
is if people try to take the shortcuts,
they'll take the shortcuts.
You have to bleed a little bit.
I spent the hours and hours and hours
of manually building the Pixel Golfers
to realize that if I did it the,
not the better way, but a different way,
when I had a larger collection,
it was more beneficial for my end product.
Thank you very much for the answer.
I really appreciate it.
So we actually, for G-Coy, we built a mixer, and our plan was to open source the mixer.
But if anyone is creating a large collection, we have a mixer.
It's very kick-ass.
It has support for, like, foreground, background layers.
It has a node tree.
It's freely available, but it's kind of in beta.
So anyone who is trying to mix out their own collection, you can use our mixer.
There's no fee.
Just hit me up in the DMs. It solves a lot of those problems that RIS had. It manages the rarity, it manages the metadata, and we built it in a way, we built it for a project. So we built it to, you know, manage large amounts. I think we can mix that up to 16k, 10,000 pieces. It's pretty kick-ass. So anyone who is cooking or building and wants a mixer,
it's kind of chain agnostic because it will just
output all your metadata and your images,
and then you can mint it wherever you like.
But my only advice there would be, you know,
if you want to do a collection or sell stuff um really and truly it comes down to you
and your project so you want to start there you want people to believe in you because i think a
lot of people think you can just create a collection and it will sell it won't sell
people want to see who's the artist who's behind it what's the project what's their vision what are
they doing the market has grown up a lot.
And then also if you're part of a community, right? So I've seen quite a lot of Ape Chain
NFTs when they launch, the community supports them. And it's huge community support,
not small community support, especially if the project is not too huge right so you know you can mint a thousand
or two thousand nfts with believer on ape chain and if you're part of the community and you're
active then you have a good chance of them selling out um but you have to be active you have to be
part of the community and you have to build that side i have also seen other projects using um
generative ai for things like the backgrounds.
So if you want backgrounds, you could probably cheat if your foregrounds are hand-drawn.
That's one place where I see people starting to use AI because people want fancier and fancier NFTs sometimes.
I'm not saying that it's the right solution but i've seen quite a few projects
artists have said hey those backgrounds are all ai um and then i think that the last thing i would
say there is there's a bit of a misconnect misconception around generative art um and ai
art so people see nft collections and they say that it's generative art. That doesn't mean it's generated by AI.
It means you're using an algorithm or a mixer to create the combinations.
So when a project says it's generative art, it doesn't mean it's generated by AI art.
It means that like RIS did, they drew the components and then they mixed them together.
Yeah, that's one thing that i was
pushing with the moles on ape was trying to explain what they were um uh i think i actually
have it written down somewhere but i said like three three three three pieces of algorithmic
generations and then trying to explain that each one of them is a one of one each one of them is a one of one. Each one of them is a certificate of authenticity because it's on chain.
Trying to use terms and use a drop picture and illustrate through words the of what I was trying to do to the normies.
And that's one way that they started to understand it because it when I said that it was it was generative.
They're like, so you just hit the button and it generated it.
Like, no, I drew the pieces
but because of math
it did the layering and it
pulled together
the different combinations.
Some that I wouldn't even have thought of
and I didn't think of them
because sometimes they didn't look good, but sometimes
they did and I kept those, which was
just cool. But yeah, algorithmic generations is a term that I try to use.
And like a blend of artist creativity and algorithmic generations is one way I put it
for Moles on 8th. Cool. So maybe Melina, you would want to bring up the rain because they got their hand up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go ahead, the rain GM.
Thanks for being here.
You have a question for the fam here?
I don't know.
Maybe they're not talking, but I have a question.
Yeah, go, Keith.
How are you, Keith?
Sorry, I'm driving to Mexico right now. I'm about to go to the border and cross over and weigh in.
I got to fight tomorrow, but definitely wanted to tap into this space.
I'm going to give out some crypto, some people in the crowd, but I wanted to say good to see you up here, man.
And are you going to Ape Chain? Are you not Ape Chain? Fucking Ape Fest. Sorry.
Too many apes. yeah no you're good no i got the i got
the nicks from the wife go ahead and out to vegas so i will not be oh i was gonna say because i live
on a golf course i know you know you could play golf like a whole day i i really want to so if
you're ever in vegas and there's like a crypto convention or something. Definitely hit me up. There's like a ton happening, Keith, in Vegas.
There's Rare Evo.
So team member is an internal part of a project.
So tell us.
Okay.
I was warning everyone.
I was warning everyone.
Yeah, so what I was saying, Keith, is like there's rare evo happening in a few weeks
in vegas there's like a ton of things happening in vegas right oh yeah you're right are you
gonna be here for that no oh too much work we gotta we gotta we gotta lock it in
we're locking it in but um yeah i think there's Rare Evil. There's obviously A-Fest.
There's something else happening in Vegas.
So, yeah, I guess Riz is going to have to make his way there eventually.
You know, take Keats offer and go golfing.
That would be sick.
That would be amazing.
I would love to do that.
I'm an East Coaster, so that impacts me as well for a lot of the contests and crypto stuff that happens.
Because I've been doing a lot of Swole Banana Society fantasy drafting.
And a lot of those guys are California or Mountain Time.
So they're drafting late into the night, and I'm going to bed at midnight, and they're just finishing up supper.
And nobody wants to draft in the morning before work here because they don't want to wake up
at 2 o'clock their time.
Because I'm East Coast,
I would love more things
that are East Coast that are not
Florida or New York, maybe
the other states that exist.
Because we,
even though there are not many of us,
at least in the ape community,
that are here, well, we do exist.
So hopefully in the future, the numbers will grow.
Yeah, also, Riz, I was going to say, I went to high school with Ricky Fowler,
and I remember him playing so much golf, and he was just like, that's all he did.
He was like the head of the varsity on golf when he was like a freshman.
And then, you know, go figure, he ends up becoming like a really good golf player.
And I don't know if I could say one of the best, but he's definitely made a lot of money and done really well for himself.
So, yeah, man, golf pays.
One of the best.
And if you ever want a fun look up, also a music star, look up the golf boys song that he put out with with
bubba and a couple other uh golfers uh look up that youtube clip it's hilarious they did i think
two singles that's it's great but yeah i'm a fan of ricky i did see that that was that was good man
i saw that that's fun uh we're gonna have to get some uh like keith i'm kind of um i'm trying to see like you fighting
and maybe i don't know throwing out a couple of golf balls in the during your fight but then also
it's like two different sports so i don't know if that works but um it would be so cool uh well
you know it'd be cool to do? I might get this
sponsorship with V-Chain.
They give out some free tickets and stuff.
I can give some big
influencers here with apes and stuff
some UFC tickets, and then the
next day we can go to Rhodes Ranch
Golf Course and play a round of golf.
That would be a cool experience.
That's so crazy, yeah.
A Sunday is a good day for golf.
Saturday is a good day for a fight.
I love it.
That actually sounds pretty dope.
Extreme FOMO, dude.
Oh, man.
Yeah, right?
Keith, good luck on that fight, though.
You're going to Mexico.
Don't drink too much tequila.
You've got to wait until after the fight, I think.
No, no, no tequila for me.
being clean. I'm being California
sober, you know? It's good.
Smoking weed, drinking water,
minding my own fucking business,
smoking weed, training,
minding my own fucking business. I love it.
Repeat. I love it. Repeat.
I love it, Keith.
No, I know we've missed each other like this past week on each other's faces.
So thank you so much for being here.
And yeah, I was like, wow, Keith is going to give away some money.
We're giving away beans.
We're giving away some moles.
So happy to have everyone in here, everyone participating.
And all these giveaways, we love to give away you know that's uh we love it here we love to give give give um i guess
riz maybe just to close off the the interview part and then we could just shoot the shit because we
are we are coming to an hour here any advice you would give to other creators who are thinking
about launching
a project just in general you know you have this beautiful story with your daughter
um i hope that what he just said is also making you think about different ways to kind of
um think about how you're going to keep growing um moles on ape chain yeah, any advice you want to give to creators out there?
The biggest advice I have is to do it,
is to not second guess yourself,
not prevent yourself from making those steps,
not moving forward.
Just if you want to do it,
do it.
And you're going to make mistakes along the way,
but you also learn while you do it.
And with the whole learning from Keith,
like, yeah, that, like the connections you make here and the people who have different experiences and different ways of thinking, uh, talk to them, ask them, get the advice from them. Uh, cause it
may be second nature, maybe something that of course, like the top of their head would be the
greatest thing that you would never would have thought of. And if they think that way, that means others
think that way. And if you can get your artwork out in front of them, maybe they will like it,
maybe we'll look at it, but you can impact them. And just do it. Just take those steps. Don't
be afraid of it. Everyone here is new. Everyone here is learning. Everyone here is growing.
Even if you've been here since the beginning, the beginning was not that long ago.
Like in quotes, we are all still early.
And with the trying to push the moles on ape and the different art out there,
with the ape chain spotlight that's going on, moles didn't make the cut art out there with the ape chain uh spotlight that's going on
moles didn't make the the cut to be on the leaderboard we are not you can't designate to us
which uh was upsetting um that's one of the things about being a smaller project and and even though
we have 775 different collectors it's we are we have a floor price that's low, even though it is above mint,
which I'd like to say.
But yeah,
we are a multiplier, though.
So if you do have a mulv,
you get those Ape Chain Points multiplier
to add to there.
So hopefully, if we keep pushing,
if people share the art and get the word out,
we can pick up some new collectors
and some new fans of the work and fans of the art.
And I just, I really like what Ape Chain Spotlight does.
It gets eyes on upcoming projects and artists who have been, you may just discover them now,
but for the art to be there, they've been busting their asses for a real long time to get there.
So if you can support, if you can promote,
if you can push, if you can retweet and like any piece,
not just the Moles on 8, but any of the art that's out there,
there's an artist behind it who would appreciate it.
I love it.
That's some good advice.
I give that advice too.
I'm like, just start.
People are like, how do I create the content? Just start posting. Start doing it. That's some good advice. I give that advice too. I'm like, just start, you know, people like, how do I, how do I create the content? Just start posting, start doing it.
Great advice. Let's see here. I want to start giving away some stuff here. Why not? I'm feeling,
feeling good. We've already reached the hour guys. It goes by so fast. So let's see here.
Maybe we need a drum roll. I should start Keith. We need a little, Oh, Keith's not
here anymore. We need a little like drum roll. I need a little, do we have that sound soundboard?
Let me see. Oh, I think we do. That's a weird, that's a weird drum roll. Okay. Who's the winner of the beans? We're going to be giving it away to you guys have to follow all the steps.
Okay.
So you had to like retweet,
follow us.
So today's winner of the beans is D for Maru.
You seem to still be in the space.
So let's see here.
D for yes.
D Maru.
Arts.
Arts Taylor.
So awesome.
I'm going to DM you right away.
Congrats.
I don't know if they can come up to speak.
Let's see.
Some people are at the office, you know, people are working.
So congrats.
D Maru. Let's see here. are at the office, you know? People are working. So congrats, Demaru.
Let's see here.
Okay. Jashaka, are you still there?
Let's see here.
Am I alone? Riz, you still here with me?
I'm still here.
Okay, let's see. I think Jashaka got dropped off or something.
Do you still see Jashaka?
I don't know.
He's telling me, bring me back up, but I don't...
Let me remove him from co-hosts and let me try to get him back.
Let's see here.
Sorry, guys.
Yeah, I got to drop down to listener too, because, you know know like you said uh the hour's up but uh
thank you very much for for letting me talk thanks so much riz thank you so much for your time this
was so fun we're also going to be giving away some moles too so let's see here but uh really
really appreciate you coming by and talking to us about your your project how you've built it
you um you know building alongside aid chain as well uh this was built it, you, you know, building alongside Ape Chain as well.
This was really fun.
And, of course, you know, I'll be supporting you on the timeline.
Yeah, Jashaka, Riz had to go.
But, yeah, just announced our beans winner.
Dimaru, I don't know if you can come up and speak.
Okay, they just said they're very grateful and they appreciate it.
Yeah, Jashaka, we gave away our beans but i think keith also dropped off yeah he dropped off so i mean he can just go
through the recording and choose the five people and post that up okay um because he'll want to
make sure they were on the space but he's's driving anyway. So I'm not sure how he wants to choose them.
Maybe we can choose a couple for him.
Yeah.
And send them over.
Yeah.
Who was active in the space, like Anza, Navy, Kiana.
So we can drop some names and send him
and um hopefully he will do the giveaway when he gets to mexico give him a day yeah
let me just put send you some notes on a couple of people that i see here
yeah a great space really cool to see um bris story and where he's coming from i mean i'm doing a collection with your daughter i mean that's like i think the pinnacle
right it's so nice to hear these things like i don't have kids but i'm always like it's so nice
to see people building alongside their kids and getting their kids involved in this space.
I feel like it's such a great opportunity.
You know, just the other night, OK, I was like looking at my husband.
I was like. Six years ago, I was like getting mad because I was like, I'm so late.
I missed it. I missed it. And six years later, I'm like, wow, we are still so early.
So if you think you're late, you're just right on time.
There's no being late here.
The space is still very early.
So it's also exciting at the same time.
Sometimes I'm like, oh, we're still so early.
But also it's still very exciting, very exciting time.
So just keep that in mind when you're building. Yeah, just take the step. Anybody, it's much
easier now as well to do something, but I think, you know, you have to take the step. Somebody told
me once that for every hundred people, one of them is a businessman and the businessman feeds 100 so you you know if you
want to you can either be a buyer or a seller but it requires taking that step and putting the extra
time um into doing your own thing but you're right it's super early collections still mint
out all the time just for art's sake um you don't have to be launching a cryptocurrency
or building a universe um because we support art we support artists we support people at the end
of the day when we collect nfts and not every nft is gonna go to a million bucks um it's like art in your house right you know this is your digital art collection so
just do it as nike says
i love it well uh joshaka you want to maybe uh i don't know uh talk about what's coming up for
gcoy i don't know uh we have a few more minutes here as we're closing up the space anything you
wanted to maybe add before the weekend?
G-Coy, well, we should start to be dropping some alpha on what we're doing.
I know! I'm so excited.
Next week with our game, we actually just got the game engine working.
It's kind of cliche building a game, but I think we're building something that is going to be different because it's going to be browser based.
It'll be easy for anyone to take part.
It's going to be play to win, play to earn.
Instead of giving away NFTs, you'll be able to fight for NFTs.
So we'll have some pretty cool NFTs.
You can fight for elementals.
Probably as we get into it, you may be able to fight for some Mazzoukis and some mutants.
So we're going to just amp it up for play to win and grow it, you know, community by community.
So we like giving back.
We want to make sure that what we're doing gives back.
And figuring out how to incorporate all the work by the artists we've worked with I will definitely
say that all the artists that we've worked with they will get um airdropped and a tease when we
mint because I think they have helped to build a lore um of what we're doing and you know we we
have we are building out raid as well as a platform for all the artists as well so I think we're giving back
I think we've given away one 500 nft a week since December so if you do the maths I don't think
anyone has done more high quality giveaways than G Koi has um so we just instead of giving them
away you're gonna fight for them take all your stress you you're going to fight for them. Take out your stress.
You'll be able to fight as your PFP, fight other people in a cool web three, web based arena. It's going to be very cool.
So just keep looking out for Alpha as we get our stuff together.
We're cooking.
I love it.
We are cooking.
It's funny because I'm constantly the one like, we can't just make an announcement of an announcement, but we are cooking. And right now
it is a bit too early to be saying things, but just expect hopefully in the next, you know what,
let's not even give a timeline. I don't want to give dates, but you will hear from G Koi soon.
We've been cooking a lot. and yeah, I'm just like,
I'm also super stoked because I feel like it's all going to come together,
come to life. And then we can finally share it with everyone.
I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see what the community thinks too.
And come join our discord. We're starting to use it.
We should be. Yes. Everybody come join the discord.
If you go on the GKOY account
you should
if you go on to our website you'll see the discord
links in there
go to GKOY.com
hit your discord
tomorrow to get your
giveaway you need to
come to our discord and claim it
so you need to get action
going in the discord know that we're
actually starting to use it discord actually is a lot more dynamic than x is right so you know it's
a little bit more social i think x is very one you one directional discord is a lot more um
engaging so tomorrow come hit our discord to claim your NFT. Hit me up and please join the
G-Core Discord. Hit me up. I'm Jashaka. My DMs are open. Yeah, awesome. Well, look, guys,
thank you all for being here. We will see you guys back here next week. We're just trying to
figure out who we're going to bring on and when, but stay tuned. Obviously, hit the notification bell
for myself, Jashaka, G-Coy, Keith as
well. Keith is going to be giving away that money, so check
your DMs. You might be the lucky winner, and we'll see you guys next week.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
Bye, Jashaka. Thanks for being here.
Bye.
