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Why Monad? (ft. Fantasy Top)
Recorded: April 3, 2025 Duration: 1:05:40Space Recording
Short Summary
The Monad community is buzzing with excitement as Fantasy Top announces significant project launches and partnerships, showcasing impressive growth metrics with over 140,000 unique players. The collaboration with Kato AI and the introduction of a leaderboard for community heroes are set to enhance user engagement and drive further adoption.
Full Transcription
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I'm out. Oh is so I'm not the man that can fix this
No, I'm close, I call to dismiss
Shit, I might be cynical, over-critical
I think my face so time unoriginal
I ain't been geeked in a homeland
Far from a romance
But I see you in my dreams
I will say you heard
I wish it ain't hurt me It can't end I'm silly, I bet Speaking of pieces, baby keep in the homeland I live in that time. Wait, what's happening right now? Toons, you are live on Monad in the Morning right now on your space.
Do you have anything to say?
I think we're around 8,000 viewers.
Do you have anything to say to the viewers right now?
Yeah.
I can't officially reveal anything, but big things are coming to the Steve Roadmap.
So not financial advice,
but I would definitely be trying to get your hands on as many of them as
possible.
We actually had to pretend that Steve's were cool for a second to convince
Diego Voss that his prize wasn't terrible at a one in 1000 chance to win the
Steve's.
Which he didn't.
Nice.
Which he didn't,
he didn't win.
It was the 999 and 1000 chance of
not getting it that hit uh that's dude keep spinning maybe if someone actually gets it
that would be incredible just keep spinning spinning spinning oh the wait can you guys
can you can you guys all right well thanks for the plug when when your stream ends everyone come
over hang out with the cool kids over here.
We're kind of like the less cool kids.
You guys are cool kids, but you know what I'm saying.
All right, you heard it here first.
Everyone go to Cryptoons' Twitter space.
He might be dropping some cool information.
He might not be.
He's probably not, but it will be kind of fun.
It'll be mildly entertaining
with a high probability um and with that i am actually gonna go hop on his face and let
danny pipelines do what he does best and riff about starting shows and ending shows and giving
intros and outros and ripping it from there? Yeah. switch which is direct license
which is a very good time
you're gonna make some stuff
and just notes out that I'm
that you still program
right?
Shadow and here
yeah
I just do a lot of things as we do
but it's a very good time for what
it's seven weeks I think there was a big move of a lot of exciting, and now, you know, people came out, tried
their chains, and then are going back to the real markets to lose what's left of the money they have.
The community is having NFT and crazy.
Just to take a step back and kind of launch,
when it's casting that launch,
it's basically the main activation of the play FANTOP.
For those that don't know
Fanta's Top, it's a trading card game
where you can build a deck
with Twitter influencers who always play
games here.
One of the most popular
fun games in all of Kripo
the last
year.
what makes it fun
is that
it basically
has 20
collections
for those collections
on a
if and whenever it happens
so that's very fun
this is
just fun.
And I'm hearing like,
I'm hearing like,
I'm hearing like, I'm hearing like,
I'm hearing like,
I'm hearing like,
I'm hearing like,
breaking up,
but maybe someone else can talk to save me.
Sure, sure.
Yeah, taking over.
Thanks, TenTunes, for the intro.
I hope everybody is hearing me well.
Definitely was a bit struggling sometimes on the introduction,
but I think I got most of it.
But yeah, just to repeat,
it's been quite fun since the beginning of the Monad launch,
having the Fantasy free to play.
It's been something that we wanted to do for a long time
and that had been in the pipeline for quite some time
before the Testnet launch.
So it was very nice to see all those people
going onto the site
and we testing the
scalability of both monad and fantasy and i think we definitely tried to push the limits on on both
projects and uh it's been so great having like uh seeing the the the retention that we have
on the monad free to play the number of users that keep on increasing, the whitelist for the NFTs that can be won through those different competitions
and finding new ways to reward the active players and while hunting the C-bills.
So it's been quite fun.
And thanks everyone for playing, for giving your feedbacks.
Also thanks to 710, who the the community lead uh fantasy both for
monad and the main app for his amazing work uh and also all the mods uh that have been helping
since the start so yeah happy to chat yeah let's get this started awesome okay is my connection a
little better now yeah yeah perfect it's very clear okay cool yeah thanks for saving me there um
but yeah i mean it's just um you know we actually put out a poll from the main account a day or two
ago just basically asking the community what their favorite part of tesna is and i think like over 40
percent of the replies were nfts um and obviously this is driven by so many of the community members deciding to go and make
their collections, community members like collecting the NFTs of their friends.
But most of the big NFT collections were in collaboration with Fantastop for that initial
spark, you know, because, you know, we really just like believe in NFTs. We believe in the
community. We believe in their ability to be creative, be successful.
And then, yeah, it's funny.
There's even some random collections that have kind of popped out of thin air, like the Retards, for example, which was definitely just like a dark horse as one of the most popular NFT collections now.
But the point I'm trying to get across is that, you know, we right now kind of are like, oh, yeah, of course, NFTs Amana, we're going to be crazy.
But the initial spark was this activation and push with Fantasy Top.
And, yeah, just so thankful and happy that, you know, you guys were there on day one, that you built out this app, you know, for everyone.
And I think, you know, it was a really great decision and everyone's having lots of fun.
So yeah, kudos to you guys.
Maybe to just take a step back.
So you guys launched on Blast, I think,
was it in May of 2024?
Yeah, it was May of 2024, indeed.
Nice.
So that's, it's almost coming up on the year anniversary maybe you could just
bring us back to kind of uh the time leading up to the launch um and you know just a bit about
like your experience as builders and how you got to the point where you're like fuck it like we're
launching this app and then what it was like to just like see the the success of it yeah sure yeah it's uh always fun to bring back those memories
um so we we started fantasy top in january of last year so 2024 and then we directly started
with a testnet type of version where like uh with fake money and we quickly got a lot of tractions
and so we built up the app until may for the mainnet, which was really crucial as a product from a product point of view
to get all those three months of test iteration.
So because what we are doing is so new, like Socialfy is quite,
we're quite new and still very new and it's a lot of potential that is on taps
and the fantasy aspect like the fantasy type of guard gameplay
was also very innovative and different.
So it was very important for us to have those test-net periods
where we could tweak the parameters,
we could discuss with the users what they enjoyed the most
and try to optimize for the best experience
and for the most fun experience.
And then when we were confident that we were getting there,
that we had all this very, like, a lot of hype and attractions,
then we went mainnet.
So it was very hectic and a lot of bugs, a lot of great stuff.
And, yeah, so ever since May, we've been building and shipping a lot of new tweaks within the apps,
always trying to go fast and add some new features, listen to the users.
And ever since the beginning, we really wanted to have a free version for people to play
and to experience the game without having to directly pay,
because we know that there is a big barrier to entry.
And so Monad was the perfect fit for that. without having to directly pay because we know that there is a big barrier to entry.
And so Monad was the perfect fit for that.
We're really glad to collaborate on this and make everybody enjoy this testnet as much as we could.
That's awesome.
I always think about how the current state like the Monad community, for example,
is like really awesome. And there's all these like structures in place and, you know, kind of like,
I guess like hierarchies, like kind of like incentives, like just this like really interesting
like organism of just like tons of people who are all together. And the way that Monad got here
is basically by just like doing something
and then seeing how people react and then iterate,
you know, like tweaking the parameters
of how like people get roles
or how the Telegram works or whatever.
And then you end up in this like end state
where like you've completely optimized the system
and it's just like working and flowing
perfectly but it's it's impossible to replicate because you never could have actually gotten to
that end state without going through the process of like starting simple and then tweaking and
optimizing and like i guess my question for you is similarly like i remember when fantasy top
launched there was like all this like you know it's like people are basically like if there's ever money on the line in crypto everyone's
just kind of trying to steal the money and like break the game um and i just remember you guys
going through these like steps and stages of like okay you launch the game and then you're like okay
people are kind of gaming it this way so we'll make this tweak okay now people are gaming it
this way to make that tweak um i'm just curious if you could talk a bit about what it's like to kind of like iterate as a builder to go from that like initial launch
to like the final state now where things just seem like very smooth um and very sustainable
yeah um i'd say um so there's definitely no no secret sauce from that uh the the and we made
also a lot of failures and a lot of success, but it's always a
mix of trials and errors. And I think what was key for us has always been staying in the mindset of
of iterating, shipping fast and never resting on what we already had. Basically never be like
happy with the current state and always trying to reach more and listening heavily to users' feedbacks
and also to the gut feelings that you get
as a product builder
of trying to decide, okay, which directions to go
and what to iterate on.
But definitely, most of the success
is mainly due to the fantasy top community was very like
all the fantardios are like 24 7 presence within the chat within the games that are
enjoying this a lot and having a lot of funds and giving a lot of feedbacks plus also having great
mods and people like 710 that can like like can make sure that those feedbacks
and all those compliments or improvements flows to us
so that we are made aware of it.
Because when you're builders, you can quickly get trapped
into the builder modes and all the ideas that you get
and get detached from the community and from the actual games.
And we can be very thankful to the Funtary community
for allowing us to stay grounded and to iterate with them.
That's awesome.
Yeah, dude, you're very humble.
I love that all your responses are always like
talking about the people around you which is uh really awesome maybe we could um maybe we
could talk to 710 for a bit um 710 what's up how are you doing sir how's it going today
yeah yeah yeah yeah what's up that much going going we got uh rewards coming out soon so
scrambling to get that out to everyone
nice um so if i understand correctly are you newer to the team so uh i joined as a player during testnet pretty much like right when it opened to public
uh and then became i was like a volunteer mod and then just slowly i mean i've just been all
in on fantasy since day one um you know it's just like a passion and you know I love like building and so being able to work my way and join the team has
been like it's been amazing the past year but yeah I wasn't there from the inception you know
Travis, Mikado and Kippit they're the ones who came up with this amazing idea so I'm just here
helping out as much as I can. Nice.
But you were there from the inception of the free to play and, you know, we were, we were
talking every single day, talking to like so many NFT teams, talking to Magic Eden.
Um, yeah, I guess maybe, I don't know, could you give like a behind the scenes look at
what it was like?
Because, you know, I think we felt that for launch um you
guys were you know our maybe our top secret that like you know we were just so excited about we
wanted to keep it very close to chest um and it's like when the actual thing goes live it's like
okay fantasy top is live oh okay they have collaborated with 20 nft projects okay can
win whitelist it's like it just all hits you at once and you're like,
oh, this is just a great product.
But it's just funny how all this stuff happened
in such a short period of time
and just like how hectic and crazy it was
leading up to that moment of launch.
No, yeah.
I mean, it was kind of already something
we were heading in the direction of.
I had like most of these projects,
I had already scouted along with a whole bunch of like abstract and Bera projects, you know,
to secure whitelists for competition. So when this opportunity popped up, I mean, we're pretty
much prepared for it. A lot of these Monad projects I had been looking into, you know, for some time already.
But, you know, being able to secure pretty much the top projects on Monad, you know, get 20 of them all at once.
And, you know, having those available for weeks, months, you know, worth of competitions um you know it was literally like just the perfect
opportunity for us to you know showcase how this concept and this idea can work and and mesh with
fantasy yeah it's awesome it's been it's been like, just like really cool and fun working with you guys.
For those that don't know, they were like in the Monad office for the two weeks leading up to
Testnet. And it was just like great hanging out, having a few, you know, meals together.
Yeah, it's, it's cool. I mean, it's like, I just remember that time was so special because it was just a very zero to one type thing for Monad. And so obviously everyone was super nervous, but seeing you guys in the office was actually a great spark of confidence of like, okay, like this is like these guys are here. They believe monad this is this is pretty cool so yeah just
you know thanks again to you guys for you know kind of like taking this risk yeah for sure we
had uh it was very nice uh to be with you and to have to have those many sleepless nights uh leading
to the launch uh uh and seeing like everybody from the monad team in the office staying late.
And yeah, it was very impressive.
Yeah, that's great.
This is awesome.
Okay, we do have Bill here.
He's kind of the co-host.
He was like late.
And then there was Hectic with Intern.
But Bill, how are you doing today mr mr
monday okay thanks a lot bill really appreciate the rug there um i guess we have walls here walls are
you are you on stage hi guys uh yeah super excited to be here just uh saw the space i couldn't resist
to jump on am i am i rugging or is
mikado is anyone else talking walls was talking i believe or i mean okay walls can you take a lap
sorry can you like leave and come back um i see you i mean i see okay okay we'll do um so mikado um
yeah i guess well i guess this is an alpha leak, but you know, there, there's an announcement that's going to be made, um, in the next four minutes.
Yeah. So that's, that's kind of cool. This is fun.
Timing up these spaces with announcements. So there's,
there's an old alpha leak for everyone tuning in. Um, but yeah, I don't,
I don't know. Um, do you, do you guys, what, what,
is there anything you want to talk about,
Mikado, anything you want to share, I guess?
I mean, when you're talking about
the announcements on your side
or on our side?
On your side, specifically.
Anything about fantasy. It doesn't have to be related to...
Yeah, I mean, like, we're
trying to
keep on improving the game,
always trying to make the game as fair as possible
and making it more fun and not backing up.
And so since the start, I've had an amazing retention.
Like the number of unique players playing decks is actually growing.
The number of daily active users is also very stable.
Like the past week in Bronze,
we had like 140,000 unique players in the Bronze League,
more than like 250,000 decks.
So it's been very nice to see this amount of activity
and all this different stuff.
And yeah, like all the battles with the CBLs,
the Fmon,
and constantly trying to catch the CBLs
and make the game as fair as possible
for people to win the whitelist in the best possible way.
It's something that we've enjoyed a lot
and that people keep on doing
and stay close to everyone.
Yeah. Okay, so i guess i'll
just take you with questions um how do you how do you go from um because you guys actually have a
pretty good growth strategy if you were to zoom out because you're kind of going niche right with
crypto twitter and like obviously that's where your product market fit would be. How do you guys expand outside of crypto Twitter
to get regular people playing their favorite athletes,
like, I don't know, artists, celebrities, whoever, against each other?
Yeah, that's a great question
and something that's very close to our hearts
and that we are thinking a lot about.
It's something like you will see the first step of this strategy released
hopefully in the next week or something like this, we'll see.
But we've been talking about it, the idea that anyone can be a hero
with this notion of attracting more people, enabling more people to get access to the main game.
It's going to be a big focus of our strategy so that we'll start to scale fantasy the way it is.
And we offer a seat at the table for anybody who's up to the challenge.
And we've always been very crypto-focused and we're going to stay like on the fantasy core game.
We're going to stay like this for now.
But we are very excited and looking forward to extending to the other niches within Twitter.
There's so much untapped markets of a lot of active Twitter users.
They are very tech friendly and that are very familiar.
They might not be particularly familiar with crypto, but this is why you're trying to make
a free-to-play and a good onboarding experience so that people don't have to be
so knowledgeable about this whole stuff and still enjoy the game.
enjoy the game and yeah those are twitter aspects in the in in in the next month and
Yeah.
we'll be looking forward to this that's awesome it's very exciting uh speaking of um anybody can
become a hero uh looks like we do have uh an announcement that just went live
from a few
different accounts
I'll pin up one of them which is an account I'm very fond of
yeah I guess Mikado
do you want to introduce this or should I?
sure
I'm not even sure exactly which one is it
it's the collaboration with the Kato AI?
Yeah.
Ah, okay, okay, sure, it's true. Okay.
Just a second.
Yeah, you know, I mean, it's been something in the pipeline for Daphne.
It's not exactly the anyone can be a hero type of things
announcements.
But yeah, it's time to open also the gates.
This is the first step in this direction,
but this is not the full anyone can be a hero type of things.
And we'll share more of this a bit later.
Awesome. So yeah, this a bit later. Awesome.
Yeah, this is a nice, what's up, Seven?
So we're doing, with all the tweets,
we're doing the fantasy top 10
in collaboration with Monad and Kaido.
In order, if we're presenting the opportunity
for anyone to become a hero on the Monad app
at the end of each month we're going to take the top 10 from the Monad Kaido
leaderboard for the last 30 days and make them heroes in the Monad free-to-play app.
in the Monad free to play app.
Woo!
Woo!
Yay!
Woo!
That's awesome.
So great.
There we go.
There we go.
There we go.
Oh man.
Dude, this is so annoying because Bandit and Walls,
it just says they're connecting.
And I don't think I can hear them.
I'm-
Could you hear me? Let's try it. I wish they were up here because And I don't think I can hear them. Can you hear me?
I wish they were up here because I know they're big players.
Can you hear me?
But, yeah, I mean, Bill, are you here?
I'm here.
I'm here, Toons.
I'm here.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
I'm here now.
I know I wasn't here momentarily before, but I am here now.
So, yeah, I just wanted to announce that anyone can now become a fantasy top hero on Monad.
The top 10 on the Kaido IA, this 30-day Monad Yappa leaderboard loading tweet will now become Monad heroes every month.
That's what I wanted to get out.
I really love it because to me,
fantasy topping Kaido are the two most successful sort of like attention
apps,
right?
Like they're there.
I was,
I was actually,
it was really cool being in the chat,
the three of us.
and I was just trying to think of the right word to use as the common
denominator of Kaido and fantasy top. And I think the right word is
probably attention or maybe social. I mean, when you go to Kaido, it's just like info fi.
But yeah, it's just, it's just really cool. I think to see this collaboration and for it to
happen on Monad. Yeah. But yeah, it's like, you know, if you, I don't know, it just, it just seems really cool to me. Like I, it's kind of tough to put in words, but it's just yeah it's like you know if you i don't know just it just seems really cool to me
like i it's kind of tough to put in words but it's just it's kind of like something that hasn't been
seen before it's sick because it's like kind of permissionless um so you know if you're just some
random geezer and you're grinding at twitter and you're getting really good at like engagement and
figuring out like what people like to like um you know like i you know bandits co-hosting here he's been
crushing that the last like six months or so just like grinding and getting like insane likes and
things but you could very easily get your own fantasy top card like get uh grind your way up
on kaito just by like doing that over the next like month or two months like it's very possible
and it's super cool that you can just like become almost like a kol um like
that very quickly yeah it's i bet it'll be cool because i bet there will be people who over the
course uh however long into the future will just like naturally gravitate towards monad not knowing
that this is a thing and then uh someone just messes them be like oh yeah you're just like now
a monad fantasy top hero and they're like what the hell um a lot of a lot of responsibility
though the fantasy top hero you get a lot of people being like can you tweet better
like all the time can you can you do good tweets and it's like i i mean i'm trying like you know
i don't try and do bad tweets but yeah it's a lot of pressure if you become a if
you become a fantasy top yeah i know it is dude dude uh there's another um fucking uh like kizzy's
a pretty kizzy's another app that's like in social um and dude people people will short me on kizzy
and then they're literally like commenting on my tweet like, oh, I hope this tweet does bad.
Because if it doesn't do good, I'll make money.
And it's so funny how it's like this type of stuff where it's like everyone's on social media.
But then how do you really measure someone's impact?
measure someone's impact and then once you have it measured how do you like create these like
systems that uh like incentivize people to do things to just like drive um like outcomes um
and to me it's like the idea of like you have this game in fantasy top where everyone's competing against each other just to get the most attention
and then it's like there's basically two tiers you're either a player or a hero
and how do you draw the line of what what makes someone a player versus a hero and then to use kaido to basically because right now
the line is basically arbitrary and it's it's it's been working great i think um but to just
kind of like transition or just kind of like supplement that with this like permissionless
system to just like cleanly allow someone to almost like evolve from a player into a player
and a hero to me is just like so cool um and it's happening on monad which is just like you know the
place to be where everyone's always having lots of fun uh and we have this you know amazing community
where you know you can really see how you know how this stuff plays out very quickly. It's just so cool.
I'm just so happy that the Fantasy Top guys
are real. You guys are nads. You're here with us.
You're on Spaces. You're talking to the community. You're in the arena. You're doing these
collaborations. It's awesome. I know you guys are really...
It seems like your central theme over the next year is just like,
you want everyone to be hero.
And this is a pretty good step in that direction.
So yeah,
it just makes me so happy.
You guys are awesome.
Thanks.
Thanks for the,
thanks for the love and returning it back to you.
Definitely.
Like the Monads community has been so fun to engage with since the
start.
And it's so promising.
And yeah, like being able to try some new stuff
and to experiment with them
and push beyond what we had before has been very exciting.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Dude, it's so cool.
I really envy you Mikado because, um, you're just
like a total founder and you're successful. And it's so cool because it's so, um, rare in crypto,
I think. And especially rare, like, I think the types of founders that tend to be successful in crypto are like very kind of like autistic,
like people like just kind of thinking about like math and like DeFi.
And they're like,
we created a new algorithm and that's going to make capital efficiency.
And then you guys are kind of like,
just view it from a complete different angle of like,
okay,
well,
what do people actually just enjoy?
You know, they like going on crypto Twitter, they like interacting with their favorite
influencers and KOLs. So how do we like make that relationship, you know, more like intimate and
dynamic? And then how do you like allow someone to, I guess, like just bet on their friends,
right? And it's so funny, because it's like. Right. And it's, it's so funny. Cause
it's like, when you think about it, it's like a pretty simple concept, but you guys just executed
on it and you're, and it's like one of the stickiest apps in crypto. And I've met you and
you're just a totally normal guy. It was just like cool and funny. And I'm like, wow, like that,
that's what I want to be like one day. I want to be like a founder and build my own app that everyone on crypto twitter loves you know like it's just it's so
cool thanks a lot for for for all the the the support and the love maybe we'll be even more
successful if we're more on the spectrum i guess uh we are we all try to be uh to some extent now
but uh you know it's it's uh it's it's so fun and uh and for sure like i agree with
you there's a shift in the the apps in the crypto industry where nowadays you we can start to make
some viral apps uh consumer facing type of things happens was playing with games and just adding on
top of financialization layers which is all of what crypto is enabling. And really now is the moment
where we can't give ourselves excuses
about how shitty the onboarding can be,
how difficult it is for new users to get in,
because nowadays we have the tools
to really go viral
in the same way that Polymarket has done it,
for example.
And so we're really looking up to this type of product funders people and less about the the the more like og vibe of crypto like
2017 ish type of vice where it was all about building the most decentralized system blah blah
blah it's like we leave it to some people like you, Monat,
who try to improve the stacks,
but sometimes it's good to have on the spotlight more consumer type of app focused.
The guys like PumpFunds and all those people
that have been killing it this year
and that we look up to.
Yeah, for sure.
It is kind of like, I feel like there's always gonna be
like different reasons why uh like crypto is successful like you're gonna have like okay
like people want to be able to like permissionlessly like have control of their wealth
um like you have the decentralization aspect.
And then you also have this like, you know,
unlocking like fun use cases that you can't really do off chain.
And I feel like these two things are just kind of like so different from one
another, but they're like equally important.
And I feel like in general
crypto has done a pretty good job of like gradually just like creating these systems of
like okay you can kind of like put your money on chain you can take your own risks you can like
chase yield you can put it on more centralized chains more decentralized chains you can hold
bitcoin you can hedge your money against you know whatever like whatever currency of the country you live in
and it's like that is like playing out and then you're seeing institutions come in and it's very
good and it's kind of like this like slow grind but then uh people get disheartened because they're
like okay we built all this shit but regular people don't care.
And then that's where you guys come in and you're like, well, yeah, like obviously like no one wants to fucking learn how to like bridge, buy and bridge a stable coin to some weird chain that like chase yield and all this stuff.
They're like, they just want to like kind of have fun and just like do like cool things.
And we've definitely seen more of these apps popping up. Like you guys are basically the prime example of that, uh, pump fun. Yeah. They're kind of like just pure degenerate
gambling, but, um, and I don't know, I could get deeper into pump fun. I actually think it's a
pretty novel product. Um, yeah, there's, there. Yeah, there's lots of cool apps that I think are coming out. Again, I think Kizzy's one of them.
You have guys like Lever who are, you know, you're kind of like live betting on sports with
Leverage. You've rare bet sports where you're kind of betting overs and unders on your favorite play, uh, you know, athletes and parlaying them. Um, I don't know.
Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's pretty good. It's like, I think things are trending in the right
direction. Um, we re what we really need is one of these like apps that actually hate like are
like consumer and have users to just be worth a shitload of money. Like it would actually be
great if like fancy top was worth like $5 billion because then tons of builders would just be worth a shitload of money. It would actually be great if Fantasy Top was worth $5 billion,
because then tons of builders would just be like,
oh shit, if I just build these kinds of apps,
I can get rewarded rather than just pure infra premiums or whatever.
It's like this classic, if you're an L1, you have some premium,
and then if you're an app builder like it's you
can't get funded by a VC or whatever and I think that things are trending away from that and honestly
I would say that you guys are like like driving and leading the charge so yeah it's pretty cool
is that is that like a frustration every time I talk to an app builder they're like yeah it's
kind of bullshit like how no one cares about apps and you can't get funded.
But it seems like you guys have been able to overcome that at least.
Yeah, no, for sure.
It's kind of true.
And definitely looking forward to Fantasy to 5 Billy.
That for sure.
That could be a tagline.
That could be a tagline. That could be a tagline.
Five billion, exactly.
And why so bearish?
Why stop to five billions?
We can go much higher.
Oh my God.
But yeah, no, it's true
that there's always been
like a big premium on L1
and on Infra.
And I think like,
okay, the premium on L1
is still there,
but at least the premium on Infra and on other type of apps
is definitely decreasing where we're starting to see
like tokens like Aave, Maker and those type of things
where they are being like valued based on the earnings
that they make type of like similar company
and then pushing all the dead gen
and the speculation aspects
on pure meme coins or still some L1 kind of thing.
So I think it's getting much, much better than it was the past years.
And it's always only trending in the right direction.
So I'm definitely not complaining anymore.
And I see it more as an opportunity for product type of people
and again, funders like us,
then really like complaining
about the difficulty of getting funding
because like the barrier to entry
to building the apps
and fun stuff that people enjoy
is not as big as it was before.
And so, and yeah, like get the vibe ready.
And then when
you get lucky enough to get
a hobby community like us
following you blindly
then the VC follows and
everything follows with the rest
so it's much
more optimistic, we can be much more optimistic
on the future compared
to what it was before
on this type of things.
Do you have any advice in general, I guess, for consumer builders?
I feel like the most valuable thing you could teach someone is probably not like the strategy of fundraising, but more so just like,
like, what is the core focus or like problem that consumer app builders should be trying to solve
to actually create something valuable, you know, because people just like like look at fantasy top and they're just like oh yeah this
makes sense this is like obviously cool and fun and i get why people like this but like you guys
obviously thought really deeply about what would make something like fun like and i guess my point
is that like i i think a lot of builders probably just complain about
like, Oh, I can't get funded because VCs hate apps, but it's like, you probably just
aren't solving the right problem.
Like the app you're, if you can't get funded, there's probably just still something that
you need to just figure out and do better to, you know, make your like value proposition
more clear.
Yeah. I think, uh, it Yeah, I think it's pretty true.
Yeah, when we look outside of crypto,
the VC space, it's definitely also not very easy to raise.
And I think in crypto, it has been sometimes way too easy to raise.
So it's putting the bar for the comparisons way too low.
And also, people have been making a ton of money or raising a sheet of money not necessarily
on the right uh like let's say on the right facts and the right kpis uh in some ways so i understand
the frustration from this point of view but it's still easier to raise than on the more traditional
type of games or traditional type of apps
yeah, I don't know if I have very precise
advice but
what worked a lot
with us was really building
things that we vibe with, that we enjoy
not trying to put too much
expectation on it
sometimes when you're a founder,
you want to build something that matters from day one.
Like you want to be proud of what you're building.
And so sometimes, oftentimes we rejected ideas
that maybe could have worked,
that could have been very like broad enough potential,
but that we rejected because at the time it felt not big enough, or
the vision was not there, or blah blah blah,
all the things that we sometimes tell ourselves.
if it's
interesting to you, if you vibe with it,
then there's a high chance
that other people will feel the
same, and then you're on to something.
And then it's also the speed of iteration,
like being able to ship quickly some proof of concepts
that you can then pivot and move away
and get feedbacks and stuff like this.
I mean, it's the 101 of entrepreneurship,
so it's not the greatest advice,
but in the end, they're all very true.
That's awesome.
I guess the question I have is, was fantasy your first startup?
And if no, with you seeing success from fantasy, do you ever think of doing another startup?
Or are you just like
no like this one's working like i just should just be all in on this 24 7. no definitely the later uh
i mean it wasn't the first one we before fantasy we had been building things in this crypto space
for two years and a half or something so we definitely broke our teeth on a lot of projects,
never had as much traction
as we had now for sure.
But we had a lot of things
where we made a lot of mistakes
and sometimes built things
that were not just not interesting enough
or that were maybe too early
or like a mix of mistakes.
But at least it definitely taught us to build fast,
listen and all those kind of things.
And for sure, we couldn't have built fantasy
the way it is now
if we didn't have this experience before.
So then it always comes back to,
yeah, just don't think too much
and ship stuff and just do things
and then learn on top of it
and yeah, for now, FotoZ
is so much
fun that I cannot think about doing
anything else remotely.
Will we be there
for the next 20 years? I have no idea
we have fundings
and we're profitable so that we can stay
for multiple years ahead and we're profitable so that we can stay for multiple years ahead.
And we're still not satisfied, really not satisfied by even the current progress and success.
So we want to reach much further than what we currently are doing.
And so we're going to be relentless in trying to achieve this.
And you can expect a lot of new stuff coming out from us
can be fantasy related, less fantasy related,
but always around this aspect of the interaction
between social and finance that we find fascinating.
And in our opinion, there's a lot of potential that is untapped.
It's pretty good.
It's pretty good insight that like,
it basically took you guys two and a half years
to get something that actually hit.
And it's kind of like,
and the fact that it sounds like you built the MVP
and launch a fantasy top in a period of like four months
um i guess like why what's the reason why you guys kept trying i guess because that must be
pretty demoralizing it sounds like you know you spent two years of kind of like failing almost
and then i bet a lot of people would just kind of like quit or give up so i'm just curious like
what what's the reason why you guys just like kept freaking like firing from the hip basically
I mean yeah it's true that it's never easy mostly at the end where we were like
like living on our savings and that's kind of things that never feels
savings and that's kind of things that never feels very good but I sometimes
like it's just other things I think like people that ship things or build
stuff and they like to build stuff will feel that just the attractions like you
get almost addicted to building new stuff and you always have ideas and you always want to test them out. And if you have like the, the, the,
the money to just live with the bare minimum,
but not have to, to,
to think too much and take too much risk because we were still young and it
was a perfect timing for us.
It really never really was a question of, okay,
should we fully stop and go to a safe job or not?
We enjoyed too much what we were doing, even though it was definitely not easy always.
And so, yeah, I'm glad we stick to it and get something out of it and get the best out of it.
That's awesome.
It's really cool.
It's really cool um it's very cool um okay i guess the i guess the question for you guys is the name of the space like why monad so um yeah i guess you could you could have launched
free to play anywhere um so i'm curious why you chose to do it on monad? I'd say, like, the first,
it was, like, the way you approached us was very smart.
We've been, of course, obviously approached
by pretty much any teams, testnet or mainnet,
like, with them trying to bring us to their blockchains,
to their L2, L3, L1, or blah, blah, blah.
And while we never put too much focus
on on this the way you approached us and saying okay we don't want you to to to bridge mainnet
directly but at least like just try this free-to-play on monad and take this as an opportunity
to get more users try new stuff and this was a very appealing value proposition,
both from the fact that Monad has such a big community
and the big level of Hive,
but also because we were let free
in the way of what we could experiment
and we're not first to sign a deal
or whatever that would constrain us.
So this was very smart on
your side. Also, from a BD,
business development point of view, you're
a very strong team. I was impressed
in how
there's not many blockchains that
has Phantom, which is for me the best wallet
that has Phantom, and you
managed to get it on
only testnet, which is very impressive.
I could say the same with like the
the the bleeps or yeah i don't recall the name like the those um things on on twitter like the
the getting integrated uh i mean there's a lot of things that are very new and that people are
trying on monad that made me made us very bullish on the ecosystem and And yeah, it was very smart
in the way you're making business
and very friendly,
not putting pressure
and going with the vibe
and with the flow.
Awesome.
Yeah, that's...
I love that.
Yeah, thank you so much
for the kind words.
Yeah, I mean,
you guys are just the best, the stickiest app, I think, in crypto.
Like, so obviously, it's no surprise that I'm sure every chain has hit you guys up.
Yeah, I love that you shouted out the community.
I guess another question for you would be like,
if Monad didn't have the community,
do you think you guys would have made the same decision?
Definitely not.
Because nowadays, there's a lot of...
Scale is definitely important.
And Monad is very impressive on the technology side, for sure.
But ultimately, it always come down to the distributions
and to having people actually use it.
Most of the L2s, they can't reach above 60 TPS,
but except Bayes and sometime Arbitrum,
it's never an issue.
So people are complaining about the scale,
but in the end, they don't even have enough users
to even reach this bottleneck.
So for us the technology didn't matter as much, it was really more about the community and
adding real people that would be really interested in trying some new stuff.
And so yeah, Monad was by far the the the leader in the in the space for that
that's awesome yeah i think um obviously monad has an incredible community um and i think it's
perfect because you guys also have an incredible community like i don't think there are too many
apps that have like a cult-like community but you guys actually do and you see this by like these fancy top
maximalists you know with that like that's kind of their brand on twitter um and it's just awesome
like that fantardio guy like he is just like pure like that's his his, hits his entire life. Um, I'm sure he has a life outside of
Twitter and fantasy top, but like on Twitter, it's like, he's just pure bull posting and playing
the game and coming up with strategies, um, which is awesome. Um, yeah, I mean, that's, um,
you know, if you're a Monad community member and you're listening, you know, that should,
you know, feel pretty good and reassuring to you guys that, you know, there's something special here. So special that, you know, you can get, you know,
the stickiest, maybe most fun app in all of crypto, you know, to be here, try out new things.
I mean, yeah, and it's, I think it's just gone really, really well. I know that the community
loves playing. And yeah, I love that, you know,
we're continuing to do cool new things together, like with this, um, Kaido, you know, Yapper
leaderboard to basically let any Monad community member can now kind of become a hero. Um, so
yeah, this is, this has been great. Uh, I just, just want to thank you guys again for your time.
Super happy that you guys have found a home on Monad
and super bullish on you guys.
Fantasy Top to 5 Billy is FUD.
But, yeah, just shout out you guys.
Thank you Mikado and 710 for being here.
Really appreciate your time.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot. a lot and yeah
if a fantasy to five billy i can't even imagine what the moon uh will be going to uh but um
yeah let's go yeah let's let's let's let's relax a little bit i don't think we're supposed to
um have these conversations but anyways or 710 any any last words from you because you've been such a big part of this um no i mean it's been amazing um we got some more exciting things we're
gonna try and bring to the uh the monad app uh in the next coming weeks as well um on top of more
whitelist that we're going to keep adding.
But yeah, just super excited to keep this going.
And there's a lot more fun things we can do with Monad and the free-to-play app.
So I appreciate everybody joining today and also joining on the app and trying out Fantasy.
Awesome. Yeah, so much more to come.
Super bullish on Fantasy Top. Thanks so much, to come um super bullish on fancy top thanks so much guys for joining shout out the community for hanging out um and yeah i mean you know that's big alpha
leak and announcement of the space um you know at the end of april or on may 1st or whatever
there's going to be you know some some new heroes uh top 10
um on the mon ad yapper leaderboard so you know anyone can be a hero uh just got to get your yaps
up uh but anyways uh thanks again guys thanks so much uh shout out the nads and uh see you all
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