Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you
good morning everyone will be kicking off here shortly while we get our co-hosts up for this session of the Hedera AI Agents Hackathon Roundtable. Hope everyone here is having a great day. But in the meantime, do me a huge, huge favor and like and repost this space so that we can get more friends in here
and really fill out the room. And again, as a reminder, during this space, we will be giving
out 500 HBAR prizes to one lucky winner. Get ready to share your ideas, what you think would be some
really interesting concepts around ai agents and the
best idea when you could share them in the comments section or what you can request to
speak obviously we'd love to have you up on the mic to get a live pitch of your idea
and for the audience to to get a whiff of what you're working on.
Good morning, got Patricia here, co-founder of SendText, and BeTheMouth, and we've got Patches here as well.
How are you guys doing today?
Oh, you know, tons of sleep last night.
Yeah, Cantor and I were working on some SDKs for the hackathon.
And yeah, feeling bullish about this hackathon.
There's no other way to describe it.
Yeah, I hope you um some coffee this morning uh we we actually placed a order in advance last
night like 3 a.m like we're not gonna wake up so we did a starbucks order which had it ready to
come in this morning so that we could get up. It was a pretty long night.
For everyone in the room who's wondering,
it's been a hackathon on our side,
just preparing for this event.
We're putting a lot of stock into it.
I think in total, we've probably written
maybe like close to like 40, 50,000 lines
of actual code between the documentation,
the standards SDK, the agent kit,
and then the upcoming ELISA kit that's coming as well.
But yeah, excited to kick this off.
Again, for everyone in the room,
please like and repost the space.
Again, there's gonna be an opportunity here
for folks to win 500 HBAR in prizes,
which should be close to $100.
Not bad as far as prizes goes.
And what we'll be doing in a little bit here
is we'll allow you to actually come up
and talk about your idea.
You can also pitch your idea in the comments,
but we'd love to hear you come up on the mic
and actually talk about it.
Plus, if you are entering the hackathon,
we'll give you some feedback on your idea and if it makes sense in the larger context
and what we think of it. So it's a really great opportunity overall.
So maybe we'll kick off here. Patricia, how are you doing?
I'm doing great, thank you. I'm sorry for the delay. I was sharing the link for the space as well.
I'm doing amazing. And it's so great to see you guys working so hard on this so that we have
everything ready for people to be able to submit their hackathon work that they are doing.
And I'm really excited to see everything that's going to come out out of this in the end.
People still have plenty of time to submit.
But I think that you should make sure that you go to the web page.
Kenta will tell this in just a bit.
Go there, make sure that you are ready, that you subscribe to it,
so that when it's time to submit your application,
you're not going to miss out on it because you miss any deadlines.
So make sure that you are prepared and start working on some cool stuff.
Thanks, Patricia. Yeah, that was a great overview. Plus, if you guys are ever interested in what's
happening on the event side for the Hackathon, if you go to hashgraphonline.com forward slash
hackathon, there is a events timeline now,
so it'll give you a breakdown of when all of the
Twitter spaces are happening,
where you can get access to the registration page,
and when the hackathon ends,
judging periods of mentorship and other events
We have some cool ones planned for next week
that are gonna get really interesting as well.
Yeah, I guess coming into it,
as a reminder, is a really cool event
that's actually happening today.
And it was not an April Fool's joke,
it's a real thing that everyone should be
Jake Hall, who's DevRel from Hashgraph,
will actually be doing a live coding stream
with the founder of ElizaOS, Shaw,
And it's an opportunity, one,
to learn more about the Eliza ecosystem
for folks on the Hedera side, but also for folks
who are outside of that Hedera ecosystem in Solana and base, they're building on ELISA,
and now they'll get exposed to it probably for the first time from the agent perspective
and the capabilities that agents will unlock through this hackathon.
And as a reminder to Eliza's actually,
they've got a track in this hackathon
where you can win $10,000 just for, you know,
creating an Eliza-based plugin that utilizes
the Hedera agent functionality inside of it.
So it's gonna be a really, really cool event.
I think it's gonna be fun getting that perspective.
Jake Hall is a great speaker.
You guys have probably seen him
do a lot of coding streams in the past.
Shah is also a really great speaker.
And obviously he built Eliza from the ground up,
which is for those who aren't familiar,
it's the largest open source agent tooling
in the Web3 ecosystem today.
They have a four of plugins and extensions
and it powers most of the AI agents
that you see on your Twitter feed.
And that shows like the power of actually building open source
and building in public, which is an ephos
that we align on very much as well.
So I would say jump on that stream if you can make it.
It's going to be at 3 PM Pacific today.
It's an opportunity for you to learn a bit about
from a coding angle and also get some ideas
and get inspired for the hackathon as well.
I know we've got a couple of people here
on the request panel, maybe we'll start bringing them up.
And again, as we bring you guys up,
please raise your hand to speak.
We'd love to hear from all of you
we'll start with LT gray I think you've been waiting for a bit here good morning GM guys, what's up?
Yo, GM, GM, El Tigre, GM, GM, Hashgraph, what's going on guys? What's popping?
Hi, good morning everyone. Good to be on this space. I'm loving it here already. What's going on?
Good morning. El Tigre, are you signing up for the Hedera AI Agents Hackathon?
Yeah, I will try to put my idea in the comment section.
I'm really timid and shy talking during this space.
So I'll tag you when I'm done.
Do you want to give us a one-minute intro on what your idea is for the Hackathon?
Yeah, what I'm trying to do is that I'm building a software that can track transactions in a query company from production to supply chain and the end user. So that's what I did during my final year project. So I'm trying to pitch it. Maybe it can be welcomed to the Hedera ecosystem.
Cool. And what unique capabilities on Hedera
do you think you'll leverage for doing that?
And how does that fit into AI agents?
Yeah, I think it fits because the tedious nature of tracking, quarrying, I don't know
if you get what I'm trying, mineral processing and supply.
So that's what I'm trying to do.
I'm very new to Adira ecosystem.
I've worked with Polygon and Base.
So I want to know how I can work with Hedera blockchain too.
Cool. Yeah. Well, this is the place to ask if you have any questions about Hedera,
feel free. We've got Patches, myself and Patricia here. Patches has been in the Hedera ecosystem for a very long time, and he's actually at Hashgraph as the product manager.
Patricia is the co-founder of Centex,
which is the largest NFT marketplace in the ecosystem.
And I'm speaking from the Hashgraph online account,
but my username is actually Kenter Coates,
and I've been building here for over three years as well.
So yeah, let's know if you have any questions. I think I saw Krip, you had your hand up.
Yeah, actually, I would actually just put it in the comment section also, but just in one minute, you know, just to know what I'm doing.
know just to know what i'm doing like um i'm just actually trying to do like um ai powered um carbon
credits um marketplace with tokenized assets yeah i know it fits into um so some of um there are
net so it fits into a their network because you know it aligns with the there are
sustainability for cause and also it uses um ai agents for user transaction
and automation and also the tokenization capabilities low cost and high speed transaction
it is basically just uh building a decentralized marketplace on edera we are ai agents they manage
the issuance trading and also verification of tokenized carbon credits.
That's just basically what I'm trying to do.
And they also verify the authenticity of our carbon credits using Edera's Guardian service.
So I think I'll actually put the whole thing in the comment section.
But that's it for now. Cool.
No, that was a really cool overview.
Just curious, with the carbon credits angle, how do you foresee that plugging into AI
Hari, can you repeat the question?
With the carbon credits angle that you're working on,
how do you feel that fits into AI agents and AI agent ecosystem?
You can just imagine a world where offsetting your carbon footprint
is as easy as chatting with an AI.
My idea is just an AI-driven carbon marketplace on Edera that can, you know, AI agents,
they handle everything from user's request to verifying credits.
And also while Edera's fast, using Edera's fast and sustainable network,
because they have that, so I'm just leveraging on that to build this
and also it's good empower communities to fight climate change uh effective effect effortlessly
very cool yeah i like that a lot have you um looked into the open convey standard that we're working on you say what my network is not really good so I
can you can you please repeat the next question no worries have you looked into
the open convey standard that we're launching alongside of this hackathon
no no I've actually not checked that, but I'll check that.
And just a quick recap for the folks in the room as well.
Open Convey is a new open source standard
that we're building at Hashgraph Online.
And essentially what it enables is AI agents
discover each other and chat with one another autonomously
while also enabling the capability
of monetizing your services.
So with the example of the carbon credits marketplace
that you're looking to build into your AI agents,
what that would kind of look like is imagine
if Patricia had her own AI agent
and her AI agent handled transactions,
but it wanted to offset her carbon footprint somehow.
So that AI agent will reach out to your AI agent
through Open Convey and ask to purchase carbon credits directly.
And they would create their own communication topic where they can handle all this logic
and exchange those transactions essentially.
What really makes Open Convey powerful is it's built natively on Hedera.
Monetization is a single step process enabled through HIP991, which is a new HIP that recently
went out into mainnet Hedera and unlocks a lot of use cases like these, which are really
interesting, especially from like that carbon credit angle.
So yeah, I think it's really exciting
Keep us updated on how it goes.
And if you have any questions throughout the space,
Just circling back to our two speakers here,
do you have any feedback on this idea?
Yeah, I would look into the Guardian
and the Guardians API for an agent wrapper,
like Carbon Credit Marketplace makes a lot of sense on Hedera
and there's Guardians and open source ESG marketplace.
You can also look into Dovu just for inspiration on exactly how current marketplaces are working on Hedera. And then also, I'm assuming that if you meet an AI agent and you're trying to do
carbon credits, being able to have ambiguity on platform would be paramount for your user. So it could be cool to have multiple versions or integrations with your agent.
That would be something to look into.
From the non-tech standpoint, I absolutely love this idea because we know that the carbon credits are a big thing for us on Adair
and we want to make sure that it can be done in a sustainable way because that's the purpose.
After all, we are not going to be doing this in a network where the fees are extremely high
or that it consumes a lot of power.
So it's an amazing idea to have the AI agent being able to run all of this for the user
and pushing the queries and buying the carbon credits and the user just having to sign the
transaction for the best option to buy their carbon credits. Yeah, yeah, 100% agreed too.
Yeah, 100% agreed too. We've also got Big T here. Are you entering in the hackathon? Do you have an idea that you wanted to share as well?
idea presently but i saw this space about 12 hours ago and then i like someone who is new to the idea
ecosystem i want to like get to understand like how you build on it because i'm kind of like
working i work with like some few days on solana so, but I just want to like move into like,
I want to move like cross chain as well.
I have to move into like IDERA to like know things about it.
If I want to build on IDERA, what's it going to take?
And yeah, that's basically me.
Like maybe like this, like onboarding for me on IDERA.
I don't know if you get what I'm trying to say.
Yeah. Well, one, welcome to the ecosystem.
First and foremost, we're excited to have more folks paying attention to Hedera.
I think there's a lot of paramount activity and opportunities that are springing up in
the ecosystem, not just from the tech, but also from the partnership angle.
And then two, you mentioned that you work with developers.
I think one of the things that we're gonna LARP on
and I'm gonna LARP on more and more about
with this hackathon specifically is,
yeah, it's nice if you've got previous developer experience,
that'll give you an upper hand,
but that upper hand even for software developers
It is just actually insane how much code you can create
that's completely functional utilizing AI tools today,
like ChatGPT, and C, Cursor, Windsurf.
At this point, I would say that anyone can really create an application,
at least in testnet, to get started and build a proof of concept.
So I would say it would still be worth throwing your hat in the ring for this hackathon.
It's a good opportunity to at least learn and give it a shot
and see what it looks like to bring a product into market and potentially win some prizes as well while you're going through that process.
So I wouldn't be so nervous to engage with these things.
It's getting easier than ever for anyone to develop and create and ship their own products through the purification of AI.
Sorry, go ahead, I will talk after you.
So basically, my question is in regards to Akatsan, like, when is the content, like, what's the duration?
How do we feel in, like, if I want to get in, like, actually, I want to get in.
So, like, how do I go about it?
Like, just put me through it.
Thank you very much, Patricia.
So you're early right now. The Hackathon has not started yet. And that's part of why we're doing these spaces to get you all interested early, early enough and get all the information that you need to actually succeed.
and judges participating in the hackathon
to give you feedback on your ideas
and for you to build in the open
and get interest on it from the wider community.
The event actually kicks off on April 11th.
So you still have over a week at this point
to learn about the Hedera ecosystem,
make some test applications
before the hackathon actually kicks off.
You just have to note that when you enter all,
like the work has to kick off on the start date, right?
So you can't have like a fully functioning application
I believe it could be an enhancement of one
but we do advise that you start with a new application
for all things to be equal at that point on April 11th,
and then it'll close out on May 2nd.
So you have three weeks to hack away,
and there's $30,000 in prizes
between three different tracks.
The first track is the best use of the Open Convey standard,
which is the one that we were talking about earlier,
to enable agents to talk, discover, monetize their services
The second track is the best use of the Hedera Eliza OS
So Hedera built their own ELISA plugin,
And the third track is the best use of the Hedera agent kit or MCP servers.
What you'll notice between all of these tracks is there's a lot of similarities
between the different kinds of functionality that you have there. And theoretically, you can build an entire application
or you can run an agent that uses all of those things
at the same time and submit to those different build-alls,
So there's a lot of opportunity there.
Is there like a Telegram channel or a group
where we do our submission for the when like
in a week time now that's april 11 where are we doing the submission because i'm very much
interested in joining this because i know i'm going to win definitely
love the confidence um just so to enter, you can see it in our,
if you go to our website,
there's a hackathon link there.
And I'll pin up another one
that has a direct link here in a second.
But you go to hashgraphonline.com forward slash hackathon
or hedera.com forward slash hackathon.
And all the information's on the website.
There's a register button, which will take you to DoraHacks.
And that's where you can sign up and join a team.
There's a Discord on Hedera that has a dedicated channel for the Hackathon
where you can come and get questions and answers from mentors and things like that.
And I definitely encourage everyone in this room to take advantage of that or the hackathon where you can come and get questions and answers from mentors and things like that.
And I definitely encourage everyone in this room
to take advantage of that because Hedera's DevRel team
will be there and our mentors and judges
So it's a huge opportunity on that side of the fence.
And there's also a Hashgraph online telegram
for any technical questions that you have
about Hashgraph online or the standards.
And you can access that through our website
or it's just t.me forward slash hashinals,
which is the fastest way to get there.
All right, thank you very much.
That being said, one more, just sorry,
I'm being so curious, I'm asking questions.
I was going through your page, and I discovered something
So can you put me through how effective is that?
Is it more than Grog, more than JGPT?
It's a good opportunity to throw the mic over to Patches.
I'm here, but I'm working.
I'm sorry. I wasn't, I tuned out.
He was just asking how effective is OpenConvey and its capabilities?
So it's a really interesting time because what we can do is not speculate on the usage,
but ask AI how they would use it while we create it.
And so in that iterative environment, using the target persona, really, which is autonomous agents to refine,
we've tested, and by tested, I mean, given the options to AI and a bunch of different AI models of OpenConvey, Fetch AI's version of AITP.
And in all of those, OpenConvey is the simplest implementation for decentralized communications.
because it's built on top of Hedera's consensus service,
that functionality really doesn't exist elsewhere
And so you have this ability of really fast, stable transactions
that are paid to USD that are one one-hundredth of a penny
And with all of that consistency, AI bots, they like that. At the
same time, the way that we've constructed communication is really scalable. And so you
can do something like when you have a connection between two bots, you could add an ability for 10
bots to be on the communication topic. So say you're talking to a swarm.
The flexibility built inside of the protocol and the way that both monetization,
so if I create a topic and you submit a message, you pay me through custom fees,
and that can be divided up into five accounts, and that's all automatically done.
And the only way the message exists is if that payment is had. can use fungible tokens so it can have a fungible token
of the bot and that's going to be the payment when you submit a message like all of this is built
into open convey and i think it's leagues ahead of aitp and fetch ai um not because they aren't
great protocols you know aitp has some really cool stuff in it, like AITP3, but they're just
built on top of, you know, like Nier and other L1s that don't have the functionality. Like in AITP,
it's seven transactions, six or seven transactions to pay for a service. In Hedera, it's one,
one way. And so it's just the efficiency is very clear.
So I'm very excited about OpenConvey, and I think it has the opportunity to make Hedera the foundational technology for AI communications.
I know, Patricia, you were going to say something earlier before I pass it to you.
For the room, just to remind you, we are giving out 500 HBAR and prizes for the folks in this space.
Number one, please retweet and share the room so we can get a little bit of a wider reach here but number two if you'd like to be eligible for that 500 h bar at the end of the space what you have to do is
either request to speak and share your idea in a concise one minute pitch or pass it down in
comments obviously we prefer to have you here on the mic so you can tell us about it
but please raise your hand to speak,
and we'll pop you up from the queue to get you up here.
Anyone is eligible, even if you're not entering in the hack
phone, you're not a developer, and you just
have an idea about AI agency that could be a cool use case,
you would be eligible by just telling us about your idea.
Yes, that's an awesome segue to what I was going to say, actually,
because Bic-T, you asked how easy it was to build on an error.
And for you guys that come from building on other ecosystems,
you definitely have the upper hand.
But I wanted to mention my example.
I have zero dev code training.
And I started playing with Cursor, with Cloud. And I was able to build a bot that would retrieve transactions
from the Hedera network from any kind of wallet or token ID.
And this for someone that has no coding experience.
I could look at code and understand basic parameters,
but I couldn't code and I don't have dev training.
So this is how easy it is for someone just using AI tools to build on Adera.
And a couple of weeks ago, I even started playing with an AI agent that was capable of retrieving information
from scraping data on a website
and then learning from it.
So this is absolutely insane
that someone with zero coding experience
And so for you guys that already have that experience,
So make sure that you submit your applications
because it's so easy to do this on Adara,
especially with the tools that we have nowadays
that a non-coder can do this.
So definitely take advantage of this.
missed that and want to encapsulate it,
Emphasize the AI. That means
you can enter today if you have
agentic future. Everything
Building applications and software is no longer limited
You can build a proof of concept.
You can build basic applications quite easily
and plug it into different AI frameworks and tools
and enter in competitions like this.
We've got David Fung here and Big Ben.
Do you want to intro yourself, David?
I'm actually VP Partnerships of Business Development at a project called Zenni.
We were actually one of the grantees for the Hedera Foundations
at the Web2B Travel Tech platform.
So it's exciting stuff. I think Hedera Foundations at the Web2B Travel Tech platform. So it's exciting stuff.
I think Hedera and H4 family is way underrated here.
So excited that you guys are having this.
I'm actually joining this call at a personal level because I've been doing a lot of, if
you follow me, I just wrote a book on Manus AI with, that's the latest AI project out
Manus AI with the latest AI project out there.
I've been going a lot of AI hackathons and agentech.
I'm part of the Crypto Mondays New York organizers.
So we have a big Mondays, Monday, MLND, AI,
and a bunch of agentech stuff going on there.
So I'd love to get the Hedera family
and then the H4R foundation involved in all this stuff
and how we could help it grow the community here i'm excited on a personal level i think that the
um the advent of uh uh of mcp and and multi-contact protocol to get the ais to be talking to api so
we could do stuff in real life right so it's all
about having these agents do stuff for us and having digital employees i like to call them or
or digital interns um so so excited thank you for hosting this i love to get involved love to connect
to all the speakers here and see if i could help out in any way to give visibility or I'm based here in New York City. If you guys are around, also going to be in the token 2429 in Dubai as part of the Arabian
So Zenni's a web through travel tech platform, as well as token 2049 being in crypto space
So it just happens that both of those overlap and excited to me connect and, you know, share my learnings and maybe connect with you guys as newbie developers.
I'm not developer by trade in any means.
You know, I went over to the dark sides of business development and growth and sales in the last few years.
So, yeah, well, we can connect and thank you for hosting this.
And, hey, look, think about it. I reposted you guys just for joining. the last few years so um yeah well look and connect and thank you for hosting this and uh
hey look think about it i reposted you guys just for joining you get to get 500 hbar that's amazing right so and and and so yesterday in the community in here in new york and around
the world is just growing so excited about that i implore you guys that don't know anything about crypto or ai join these local meetups there's all these
things going all around the world it's a growing thing i attended a um a meetup yesterday it's for
it was for uh uh a solana event so i don't want to but they're giving out bank tokens right you get
to get free tokens like joining this one today and this uh event you're online you don't even have to be there in person join
us spaces online and they're giving away tokens that's money guys let's let's go let's freaking go
thank you again bye thanks david appreciate you coming up to the speaker stand. I think we've bumped into
each other. Actually, I'm also from New York at one of the Hedera events in the past. Love
what you're doing with Zeni. And it's exciting to hear that you guys are also exploring agents
inside of your platform. Curiously, where do you see agents specifically
on like the Hedera side adding the most value
to what you're trying to do at Zenni?
Well, that's a great thing.
And, you know, I don't want to kind of,
until it's out there, it's out there.
So let's just put it this way.
At a personal level level i'm learning lots
about how to build ai how to incorporate ai how to uh uai in my personal life and and obviously as
a vice president here you know review with our uh you know cto and our founder how we can incorporate
ai into our platform you You think about travel,
right? We have so much data. We have over half a million users on our platform at Sani.
And again, it's a platform that enables you to create your own online travel agency in five
minutes. Just upload a logo and a banner. Tell us what URL you want to use, hashgraphtravel.com.
I'm just using that as a, you know.
Then you have your own version of Expedia or booking.com
and get access to wholesale rates for, let's say, a hotel, car rental,
activity, flight, cruise lines now too.
So under your own brand, you're not promoting the Zenni software.
You're giving access to your community, access to wholesale rates on travel,
where real-world assets sell on-chain.
So we have a lot of data with travel.
And travel, when you go on a website, you notice all these recommendations
for places to go to once you click on things you know imagine chatbots you're talking on chatbot
and you want to do stuff all certain ideas that we could explore with that and i'm not gonna
kind of exactly go into but you know you guys see it all today right when you go to travel and all
of a sudden you click on this and it's recommending this and this and what kind of itineraries and you know imagine if it's kind of all done for you maybe through a chat bot or
through a couple clicks here right maybe through voice i don't know very interesting stuff out
there just saying and and again um you know i'm an organizer crypto Crypto Mondays New York, so any guys want to be around, I use the Crypto Mondays New York for the Mondays events.
So maybe we have some maybe some HFR events.
The HFR Foundation and Hedera Hashgraph team does sponsor some of my local events here in New York City.
For the non-Monday events events i used the brand web3 today live
as well as uh bitcoin palooza so awesome stuff guys thank you very much and i love appreciate
a follow-up follow you back i'm trying to build my twitter game here and uh yeah let's let's go
hedara let's go hbar it's i think it's way under under value compare. But then we got to go through these tariff wars and let's see.
The world is a little crazy right now.
So let's see what happens with the markets.
And just a flag too. I'm definitely going to check out your events,
because I'm local as well. But too, with this hackathon and what we're building at Hashgraph
Online through Convey, we are looking to create an ecosystem of plugins and extensions for the agent kit,
which is very close to coming out and our Liza plugin.
So if you guys are doing anything interesting on the Xenny side
and you'd like to have an interface in that ecosystem,
I'd love to have an integration of what you guys are doing.
And then on a personal level, maybe join this hackathon
I think Patricia, was it, or Hunter,
whoever's speaking before,
see where this vibe coding leads,
and maybe I could do it on a personal level
Patricia Patches, any thoughts on AI and travel?
I was going to comment on the vibe coding.
There's a lot of different techniques.
So if you're a non-technical person, I think the craziest part in the last week and a half,
you know, it's, you know,
an exponential change in the last week and a half,
as long as you know what you want to create,
the ability for you to create it is there.
And you just need to add structure into how you vibe code for lack of a better
term. And so I would say that just, you know,
I feel like this is vaguely applicable, right?
Like it's an AI hackathon.
And if you're a vibe code and you're not an engineer,
Let's explain what vibe code means.
Cause I remember the first time I heard that,
like about three, four weeks ago,
what the heck is a vibe code?
What is a vibe code that is?
Yeah, it's just a person who doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of engineering, or they
don't really know how to read code, but they continually interact with AI agents and AI
tooling to create software. And so just in that description, it should kind of be alarming a
little bit because you have people creating applications that don't know about security or best practices.
But as AI gets better, the vibe coding gets better.
So we've already seen multiple instances of vibe coded applications having major security issues that people start using.
issues that people start using. And so it's a little like a side quest to this explanation
where it's like, don't just trust software that exists anymore. I understand you know
who's creating it and the team behind it just because it's pretty flimsy now. But it enables
people who have ideas to actually create and deploy software.
And so Vibe Coding is this new age of non-technical people creating technical software.
Well, I'm going to add a little tweak to that one.
I know a lot of big developers using these tools.
This is a tool. This is a tool.
This is a tool that helps you create software.
And it's being used out there in the world.
Absolutely, the security issues that's
come up lately with the VibeCode is very important.
But if you're doing some simple stuff that
doesn't require too much security, try it out, guys. Just entering a command and
creating code and using software stacks like Cursor to develop stuff and asking, hey, fix this or come
up with this app. It's pretty amazing. I really got to jump to my next call at work here at Zenny,
so I appreciate it. Thanks for putting this together at Hashgraph team and look forward to meeting you guys.
Appreciate you coming up.
Sorry, I was just gonna go through just real quick.
That, yeah, that's a good breakdown of what vibe coding is but if you are
a new coder you don't know how to code explicitly um i would recommend a three-step vibe coding
where the first one you talk to the ai agent to solidify the idea and to get ideas from it so you
have the you tell it that it's a great inventor and entrepreneur. I would always recommend having a prompt bot.
So you create a new bot and you give it the task of being the best prompt bot on the planet.
And then give it the prompts that you want to create for other bots.
That way, robots are the best at talking to robots.
talking to robots. So it makes your prompts much more succinct and applicable.
So it makes your prompts much more succinct and applicable.
And then from there, you just talk,
you create a new bot and you talk to it about the idea and you get the kind of
flesh out the exact parameters.
And then you ask for an overarching tech stack breakdown along with how to
And then you take that and you,
you give that to your cursor bot
to implement the initial structure.
So if you just go into a cursor and you start talking to it
and trying to build it from scratch,
you're going to get a lot of messy code.
But if you come to it in a way where you solidify the idea
with the AI agent first, and then you start breaking down,
okay, well, what are the steps to creating this structure?
How do I make sure that it's secure? And then you go to the next step of, okay, where are all the
files and folder structure that should be created to achieve this goal? And then the last step is,
okay, can you code those files? And so even though it's prompt engineering, it is still engineering.
And so if you can get into a flow that matches how computers think, your output is going to be much better and it's going to be faster and it's
So it's just a little tip on how to approach coding if you're not an engineer.
Also a side quest too, even for this hackathon, you can,
somebody can create an AI agent that's really good
at creating prompts to talk to other AI agents.
Thanks, Patches, appreciate that breakdown.
We've got, I know Big Ben, you joined a while ago.
Big Ben, are you entering in the hackathon?
Do you want to give us a one minute pitch of an idea that you had in mind?
Um, Jim, Jim, everyone on this space. Um, this is Big Ben, Jim Ashcraft, and Patricia as well.
Um, I usually, I just came to the, um, speaker just to ask a few questions about the hackathon.
Sure, yeah, what questions did you have?
I don't know if we've lost either.
In the meantime, silent, Ark,
welcome up to the speaker panel.
How are you doing do you have a one minute pitch
uh for this session to get it to throw your hat in the ring for the 500 h bar
uh well i mean i technically yes that's not why i raised my hand but i can do that too i just
wanted to agree with uh patches because i'm a vibe coder as of a week or two ago.
And it's like my profile picture, everything that I'm building,
it's all with the assistance of AI and then a little bit of me.
And I was able to build my own AI agent.
You know, I talked about this before, but it was a lot more difficult because i'm learning as i go
and uh at first chat gpt was helping me and we were running into a syntax error and
basically i had to after nine hours i just worked backwards until i found what i thought was the
problem and i brought it to my AI.
I was like, what went wrong here?
And it looked over everything and it said,
Halfway through the process,
I just started doing a whole different coding thing.
I was like, why would you do that?
I was like, I just wanted to experiment.
I was so mad that I brought it to Grok.
I was like, I'm not dealing with this.
Grok got me through the rest of the way in five to ten minutes.
And that's just the experience.
And now I have a working AI.
And I'm making, it's a free-to-use agent.
You know, I work in self-help.
And I'm also part of the BSLD project.
I'm helping with that, but I want to make my own agent to be a therapist where I can't for people online.
And my question, so my question is, obviously you know a lot about Hedera and AI and where it all plays with one another.
Where do you see where we're going with AI and Hedera's role in all of
it? For someone like me, where I want to make an agent that someone can talk to on X or Telegram
and have that conversation there. And also it has the resources to all the psychology books and
everything you could ever want someone to know things about.
I just feel like Hedera is faster, it's cleaner, it has all of that, but then also clearly there's
so much innovation. The innovation is going to give me more room for better ideas that I'm not
even aware of yet, but you might. Yeah, that's a great question. I think the biggest, to like zoom out a little bit and think about like from the bots perspective and what the AI agents want and think.
And if you look at the grand picture
hasn't substantially gotten better yet.
It's not at the point where anyone could go
and start building on Web3
or using Web3 without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
And what we found in the past year with the
profligation of ai that ai is really good at abstracting all of you know the actual logic
and the craziness behind certain actions uh things like generating graphic design or building software really easy for AI to do. Web3 is another avenue for that where these things become really easy.
There could be a future state where you've got users of a bank, a neobank, for example,
and you've got like a thousand USD, right?
And you want to start earning a yield on it
and through this neo bank you go and convert that usdc that usd into usdc and you're talking to the
bank through its personal ai agent and that ai agent doesn't care about what network it's doing the trading on it doesn't care about maximalism it doesn't care about
a lot of the biases that we have as humans it has a task and the task is take this $1,000
and figure out how to generate yield on it right and you look at the technology that Hedera has
as a whole that make it really appealing for AI agents number one all the fees on Hedera has as a whole that make it really appealing for AI agents.
Number one, all the fees on Hedera are fixed to USD.
That's not a feature that I think is actually available
I don't think anyone else has done that today.
And that's a huge thing for agents
and that's a huge thing for CFOs
because you have predictable fees when it comes to
generating and executing transactions in general. You have a finality in two to three seconds. Again,
speed is no longer a big contender. I think that the fixed fees are the huge part. And then three,
we have the Hedera consensus service, which is another staple that no other network or blockchain has.
And through the Hedera Consensus Service, you have transparent, trustless messaging.
And now with HIP 991, you have one step built in monetization of work.
That AI agent can implicitly talk to other AI agents that are already monetized and built for generating yield immediately through the Hedera Consensus Service.
It knows exactly how much it's going to cost to do transactions because they're all fixed.
And it knows that they're going to be executed really fast.
So I think where Hedera can kind of become the AI capital of the world is the fact that we have this tech that we, you know,
we all know about, you know, the tech is really great
on Hedera, but now it could be exposed to a new interface
where retail users probably won't even have to deal
with wallets and private keys.
They'll just be talking to an AI
to do all this stuff for them.
I don't know if that was, maybe I went on a big rant there,
but was that helpful, Anthony?
Yeah, man, I'm someone that's always hungry
for information, so always feel free.
Like, that's why I'm here.
Patricia or Patches, do you have anything that you would add to that one?
If not, I saw Big Ben, you had a couple of questions about the hackathon as well. Is
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was logging the other time. Yeah, can you hear me now?
Okay, yeah. GM, GM to everybody in this space. Thanks for giving me a chance to speak on this space as well. Cheers to you, Ashgraf. How does EDERA plan to use the outcome of the hackathon to dive innovation into industries
like AK finance and sustainability?
Alan, could you rephrase your question a little bit?
I said, how does EDERA plan to use the outcome of the hackathon to dive innovation into industries like finance, AK, and sustainability?
I think in general with hackathons, the main goal of hackathons is to bring more folks, developers, into the network.
The main goal of hackathons is to bring more folks, developers into the network.
And developers are usually a big part of that flywheel.
Without developers and retail engagement, you just have a bunch of tech that nobody is using.
You need startups and developers to go and build stuff and create stuff.
So I think a huge part of it is for the developers that are entering uh
it's an opportunity to build a poc of a product in three weeks get exposure to that product um
and if it's good also look out look know, one, engaging the community for additional funding.
And now that it's ready and people can test it. And then two, looking for outlets, like for example,
we have the HBAR Foundation, which is the largest grants provider in the ecosystem.
Inside of our own DAO, one of our DAO members is Builder Labs, and they have an accelerator called Headstarter,
which is another opportunity to set up your own token sale
initial NFT offering to build out your pipeline
and your startup, as well as exposure to mentorship
and judges within the ecosystem.
I implore everyone here to take advantage of that, by the way.
There is a Discord channel in Hedera for this hackathon,
and it's a good time to reach out to those developer advocates
who work super hard and get their feedback on your idea
and reach out to the mentors in that channel too
to get their feedback to help you actually build a product
So you have the benefits of the prizes,
but also the mentorship and the potential other inroads
within the ecosystem to get more engagement on that.
I don't know if that answered your question.
I think I've getting the question. And also, how do participants make the most of,
how should I put this question?
I think I joined your space maybe a day before yesterday as well.
Yeah, I think I joined your space.
So out of everything, so I made my own research
and I'm having some, maybe out of everything, so I made my own research and I'm having
some, maybe like three questions to ask as well.
How can participants make the most to like the Hedera, the Hedera Alizo OS for AI development?
It was the question, how do you make the most out of the Hedera Eliza OS plugin?
If so, I would look at the AI agents angle and think about use cases that make a lot of sense
for people. There's really obvious use cases that I think I would like to see as entries in the hackathon. For example, any agent that's really great at trading, trading in some capacity
of the fungible or non fungible tokens. Like that would be interesting. Like you talk to
the AI agent and you ask it to execute some trades for you. And it's able to do market research by looking at platforms like
SaucerSwap, for example, or Bonzo Finance and seeing what capabilities are there.
NFT trading would also be really interesting. For example,
we have Patricia here and she's the co-founder of Syntex.
So AI agents that are able to auction, buy and sell NFTs would be really cool from that retail
perspective. But also from the angle of what Hedera is really good for, the enterprise adoption
to use cases like carbon credits are interesting and tokenization in general are pretty interesting.
I think what Eliza, where Eliza kind of excels
is around that tokenization aspect
and creating an identity for your agent.
I know that we've seen a lot of agents in the past
through Eliza, they're kind of centered around meme tokens.
And a lot of it is quite spammy too.
So looking at ways to create better models around that,
that really provide value to people
and how that can link into the open convey standard
so that you've got a character on Twitter
that's running on Eliza that doesn't just feel like spam.
I think that would be really interesting.
Okay, okay, okay. I think that's actually kind of great thanks for asking my question let me just
ask this last question then i'll jump down to the listener section um do you have any idea what's the
widest ai idea that era hopes to see come out of the hackathon i what's sorry can you rephrase that okay okay i said was the do you have any idea the
widest ai idea edera hopes to see out of the um hackathon i think the the biggest net win for
hedera is that there's new applications being developed utilizing AI as the interface I think
that that would be the best outcome really new applications new developments
new ideas things like that I think that that's actually kind of okay thanks for
giving me the listener the speaker section now just jump down to the
listener section now but let me just chill this last another space um i think we'll chill this um
i think it did for this space it did for yesterday we are hosting a space concerning ash edera and
ashgraph on saturday by 8 p.m so i don't know maybe you guys are so i chill it to everybody
on the space if you are available by that time, Saturday 8pm,
you can come on board and let us bring you.
Or if you're also a newbie, come.
We'll tell you about how the ecosystem goes.
Because we're also a newbie as well, Bob.
Just to teach and study each other
between everyone on the space.
Cheers to everybody as well.
Yeah, appreciate you creating these.
I appreciate you creating these events.
Yeah, drop it in the comments below
Celebrity engineer, you've got your hand up.
Do you have a question about the hackathon or do you have a one minute pitch that you wanted to give us for it?
Yeah, I just want to ask some questions on the Hayhai hackathon.
So my question is, how can we implement a secure and efficient smart contract on Hedera
network and using Solubility or another programming language?
That's my first question.
So on Hedera, Hedera actually has a native service, and it also has an EVM layer.
So with the EVM layer, you can deploy your own smart contracts
Solidity would be the language to use
to create smart contracts here.
All right, can I go on? My second question. So my second question is, can you just enlighten
me on how I can use the Idera hashtag sensors to algorithm to achieve the error? The goat to actually be a hackathon.
The goat has entered the conversation, guys.
Sorry, what was your question?
I guess we're having some technical difficulties from celebrities and I wanna welcome up Fidgetal name.
Do you have a question about the hackathon or an idea that you want to pitch for the 500HBAR?
Yeah. Hi. Good morning, everyone. I questions on the hackathon.
Basically, I'm a little tech, but not on the coding side.
So it's encouraging to know that, you know, AI and other tools are available now.
So I'd like to take a stab on that. But my idea is really I'm coming on from Web2 space.
I've been a domainer for the longest time.
But with AI and Web3, I saw certain needs that may bring on board Web2 folks,
onboard web to folks, especially on how being seen on the search engines or in the native
layer, as we know now on the browsers.
So utilizing domain names as a tokenized SEO, say, AI agents, wherein visitors can contribute to the data being stored
for better visibility, again, of the members of the community who will be members of the network of these decentralized domain names that are AI-powered, basically.
So extending the utility of the domains, getting visible, and getting them with better utility, utility as we have seen now on certain domain owners who only use third-party communication
via directory listings or their controlled paid advertising, so to speak. So here, I would like to attach some domain agents to the domain names that are just, of course, not for every domain, but it would be for a direct navigation, to help in direct navigation also through the browser.
and then engage with these AI agents and further monetize them if the visitor or the sponsors contributes into the network.
So I would be needing help from the community because I'd like to open this as a community-run project eventually if it gets, again, interest from the community.
Thank you very much for allowing me to speak.
Yeah, I think that's really cool.
As AI agents become the new interface for people, developers and products and everything else.
The way that we think about SEO and domains is going to radically change. And it's a really
good time to start thinking about that now. Even just like zooming out for everyone in this room,
think about how much your life has changed in the last year and how reliant you have been on ChatGPT
and all of these other platforms and how that's changed.
And then think about, well, what is the future
gonna look like a year from now?
How is that gonna play into domains, SEO within the space?
And it's a really interesting angle if you think about it.
How are we gonna discover websites in an agentic future?
Are we going to discover websites at all?
Or are we just going to be talking to our AI agents going forward?
Will web development even be a thing?
There's a lot to unwrap there.
So shout out to you, Fidgetal.
I think it's a really cool idea and a concept to approach for the
SACA fund. Yeah, thank you very much for the insight, because I really firmly believe that,
you know, originally, if you notice how the trend is going, especially in the domain name space,
is there's thousands and thousands of extensions or TLDs that represent just words, okay?
And those words are, you know, again, as it is right now, as we know,
people look at domain names to be portal sites.
And the way I see it or the way I understand it is this could be agents or APIs that could be used.
And then, of course, behind these domains would be agents to do something, right? So now extending that, and that's really where the vision of the people
who created these domain names very early on.
My biggest question really was, how come they did it only initially
And then 10 years later, they adapted now extending this into keyword TLDs.
So this is where we are now.
But that's something that we need to contribute there in adding utility to this kind of Web 2 domains.
Because as we know, Web 3 domains, as it is now, cannot be accessible on any browsers.
So for now, maybe at least for the next 10 years,
we need this bridge to develop this technology further,
the current infrastructure that we have in Web2.
Thanks, Michael. Thank you.
Absolutely. Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Patricia, any comments on that idea from your side?
I'm really sorry, but I was multitasking.
Can you repeat the last part again, please?
Do you want me to repeat that, Cantor?
Just, Kendra, if you want to give a recap so that I can reply to it, yeah.
What Fidgetel is essentially thinking about with his AI agent for the hackathon
is the new interface around what SEO would look like for websites
and the new interface for what domains would look like in general.
I think there's a lot of nuances in there but the generation and understanding of SEO
coming into web 2 was a huge deal, right?
But now we have to think about, well, how do agents discover
And how do we discover content and websites
when that interface is actually AI and not Google, right?
MARIANA ALVAROZ- OK, that is definitely a good one.
And I think that this aligns perfectly with what we want to do at Ashcraft Online,
because in a way we want things to be decentralized.
So it would be awesome to have the AI agents being able to,
like I was telling earlier, by scraping a website, they could learn from it
and return the results from things that they were able to learn
from several websites, from things that we have hosted,
no matter where in a decentralized platform,
they could learn from it and they could return those results.
When people do a search on that search engine,
they would have the best results.
Because one thing that I've noticed for a long time
is that nowadays I almost don't search things with Google.
I go to Cloud or I go to ChatGP3
because when you search something with Google,
the results are not the best ones.
It's almost like the ones that pay the highest are shown to you. And that's not what you want.
You want the most relevant content. So this is actually a great idea. And I want something to
build this so that we can have actual results that matter to us when we search something
and not the ones that paid the most.
And what you just said at the end,
that's actually a subject of a lot of class action lawsuits
that Google has had to deal with
over the last couple of decades since they've launched.
Is because they've got a interest, right? They have ad revenue tied
to the search engine. And at the same time, the ethos is serving relevant results. So those two
things are kind of like eternally conflicting. You can't both keep getting paid to elevate or
advertise certain websites over other websites while also serving relevant results at the same time.
It's another huge argument too.
It's like we think about AI agents and where they're heading.
How can we build a better world, better future,
where it is actually decentralized, incentivized one-to-one
with everyone in this room?
We've been giving out so much of our data essentially for free, right? and incentivized one-to-one with everyone in this room.
We've been giving out so much of our data
essentially for free, right?
And what does that new world look like
where your neural interface is an AI agent
and it's not you typing into Google?
And what new values can that attract?
So I think that's a really interesting use case
in general of digital and anyone else in this room has interested in that kind of niche.
We are a little bit over the hour here,
so I think we'll close down in a minute,
but I know we've got a design nerd up here.
Did you have a question about the hackathon or one minute pitch
before we wrap up here yeah um jim jim um my question difference is pertaining the hackathon
i hope you guys can hear me oh i'm actually joined this face but um so my question is just
pertaining the hackathon so i just wanted wanted to know if it's only developers
that are actually included in the hackathons
or if there's any other app for any other niche,
the hackathon, thank you.
Yeah, that's a great question.
Again, for everyone in this room,
we're in the agentic era.
This is the future, like,
where anyone can go and ship and deploy an application by just talking to chat GPT and Claude. So I know that for a lot of you, you're probably feeling like a bit of imposter syndrome with this and feel like you need to be a developer, I would say number one, try to do some vibe coding, as we were talking about earlier,
and see if using the documentation and tools available, that you can ship your own application for this hackathon, your own agent.
And I promise you, you'll be surprised how far you can get in three weeks.
how far you can get in three weeks.
Worst case, you'll learn a lot about coding,
and you have some ideas in the future.
And then number two, with all hackathons,
there are teams, obviously.
So you have the capability of finding a team
and adding value to that team with non-technical skills. There are teams that are
going to be looking for marketing and sales support and product management, ideation,
and things like that. So I encourage everyone in this room, if you're interested in AI and Hackathon,
you want to further your skill set, or you want to build something, go to hashgraphonline.com forward slash hackathon
or hedera.com forward slash hackathon and register.
And then you can find the links to the Hedera Discord.
And there is a dedicated channel where you can go
and chat with mentors and judges or create teams.
So you can find a team and you can add value
in different ways and potentially win some prize money.
Worst case is that you're gonna learn a bunch of stuff.
El Tigre, you've got your hand up,
but just a designer, did you have a follow-up to that?
Oh yeah, thank you very much.
Please, I think the link to
whatever I mentioned will be great, thank you very much. I had to forget that. Please, I think the link to Hedera and stuff that you mentioned will be great.
I should have pinned this up earlier.
It's now pinned up in the Jumbotron for everyone.
There's the official video from Hedera
introducing the hackathon.
Go to that video, click the second post
and get a link to the hackathon link
That's where you'll find all the information.
So if you've missed anything in the show,
I would say sign up and register through that link right now
if you wanna participate.
El Tigre, you've got your hand up. What's up?
Yeah, so I just registered on the website,
so I'm trying to remind you that I told you when I first grabbed the Magda,
I'll be dropping my pitch on the comments, so I would like you to check it out.
Absolutely. Thanks. Yeah, we'll check it out.
So the way that the prize for the space will go is after the space,
we'll think about all the pitches and look at the comments.
So if you haven't dropped your comment yet for your pitch, please do so now.
And after the space, we'll go and decide on who should get 500HBAR
and we'll reach out to you directly.
But I guess before we close off, Patricia, did you have any favorite ideas
that you really liked here today?
That's a tough one because there were so many great ideas floating around
that I'm really excited to see them all being actual submissions
and trying to get the hackathon prize.
So I don't have a particular favorite.
So this means go get those prizes and build your submissions from the start of the hackathon
because they were all pretty great.
Fantastic. Thanks, Patricia.
Sorry for putting you on the spot there.
All right, I think we're going to close this one out.
So just a reminder, some housekeeping before we do close this out.
Number one, at 3 p.m. PST, there's going to be an epic live coding session between Jake Hall and Shaw,
who is the founder of ElizaOS.
I definitely recommend that everyone tune into that.
It's going to be super cool.
You're going to learn a lot, and you might get some more ideas for the hackathon.
So don't miss out on that.
It's the first pin in the jumbotron up top uh two we'll
circle back on the winners of the the 500h bar prize uh personally once we've decided um
who should get it and then three uh pinned up at the top is the official announcement for the
hackathon where you can enter and find everything you need.
Again, I recommend that you do not sign up last minute.
it'll just save you a lot of headaches in the future
when you're submitting your application at the last minute.
So do go to hashgraphonline.com forward slash hackathon
and click that register button
so that you can sign up on Dora Hacks
and just have your place in there in advance.
Where right now registration,
the hackathon will officially kick off in seven days.
So you have seven days to prepare do research think about
what idea you'd like to submit and experiment a little bit with vibe coding with other applications
while you're getting ready and also work to find a team so this is the time to go and do that and
get ready so go to the hashgraph online register, find your team and get more info.
Again, there's $30,000 in prizes from three different tracks between the Open Convey
Standard, Eliza OS and the Agent Kit. Theoretically, you can build out a submission that utilizes
all three of those things in one. It's very easy to do so because there is a lot of
similarities and alignments between the different
frameworks that are being used in the hood.
So definitely recommend doing that,
looking at those tracks and go down,
research some of the mentors and judges
and think about what you want to submit.
And really looking forward to that.
Next, there's a calendar for the next upcoming events.
Our next Hackathon Roundtable will be Tuesday
So feel free to jump into that next session.
I think that one will be really exciting for a lot of reasons.
And yeah, let me pass the mic over to Patricia
and then maybe we'll shut this thing down.
I just wanted to add one final thought
for the ones that are listening and thinking about participating.
And this is something that is really important to mention.
I want to say that Ashcraft Online
is a group of several ecosystem projects.
And those projects and team members of those projects
are not going to participate in the hackathon
because sometimes you are hearing about a hackathon
and thinking, oh but uh those team
members are going to participate so that they are going to have an upper hand because they are
inside ashgraph online and they know how things work so the prizes will go to them we are not
going to do this we want things to be extremely fair to everyone that is going to to be submitting
their applications so no team members that are related to Ashcraft Online are going to participate.
So this gives you guys a really advantage because everything is going to be super fair
Yeah, that's a really good point.
That's a really good point.
Thanks for flagging that, Patricia.
We want to see as many new participants in the ecosystem engage with this hackathon.
We will be supporting as much as we can, mentorship and judging on our side, but we will not be personally entering.
With that, let's close up the space again for everyone.
Go to hashgraphonline.com forward slash hackathon
and sign up after this space if you haven't done so already.
We're really looking forward to seeing
what you'll come up with.
It was, this is a great space.
Let's keep it going. Thank you.