Hi. Can you hear me okay? Hello. Yes, I can. Yay. Yeah.
Let's see what the rest of the people show up. I think it's always like, yeah, people
are never on time with these things. Myself, I'm also not. I know. I'm usually not on time
either, so. That's because we're fashionable. Yeah, we just show up looking like we fell
out of bed. That's the way. Let's see where the other writers are. Maybe we should send
them a letter. Oh. A carrier pigeon? Yes, that works. Or an owl, you know, like in Harry
Potter. That would be fashionable. Okay, I see Lisa. I sent you an invite, and here we are also.
I don't know. I mean, there's so many pigeons. You must be able to put them to good use.
Hi, Lisa. Hi, guys. Good to have you here. I heard you took a break from work,
but now you're back. Yeah, a short break. You can't afford to take that much time off as a writer,
you know. Yeah, that's true. But at least, you know, you can write and have a baby close by,
I guess, so. That's true. Flexible. Mom can't know where it's called, I think.
I think in Germany we have a word. It's for the people who are like
well contractors or freelancers, and basically the word consists of like
self and consistently, which basically means you have to work by yourself all the time, which is
quite fitting. That's the most accurate description I've ever heard. I know. And yeah,
we also have Hiro here. Hi, Hiro. Good to have you here. Great to be here.
You're here for the male quota. Yeah, it's quite unusual to have one in the context of web3, but.
I think this is the first time. Because when I did, you know, I studied literature at uni,
and in my course there were 200 people, like students in my year at King's, and there was
170 female to male ratios. So it was like the complete opposite. But then in web3,
it's quite often opposite again. So it's just kind of easy. It's fun to see, right?
Yeah, how these things like these different industries, quite often there's
a different audience or population anyway. Yeah, I mean, I studied linguistics.
I think we had like three guys on 100. So if I guess if you're looking for a wife or something
and studying something like that, it can work. I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't
know. Yeah, yeah, it didn't work for you. Yeah, definitely didn't work for me. And
but I'm glad to hear that the good linguistics ratios are even worse.
Yes, the linguistic. But I guess if you go to physics, then the opposite is true. So
there's still much work to be done. I think, yeah, Julian is being the most VIP of us all.
And maybe that's because she ran a political campaign at some point. And
maybe that's from back then. I don't know. But we'll ping her and she will show up. But I think
we can start kick it off and maybe go with a round of introductions. But first of all,
welcome to this nears now space. I just hijacked the name from the actual nears now community
because I thought I can do it differently. Just I think of it as a fork. And yeah, today we're
here to speak about writers of work three and just share our experiences, insights, struggles,
and all of those things. And yeah, it's being recorded. So if you missed some parts of it,
you can listen to it later. And also if you have any questions, you can put that below the tweet.
And we'll pick them up as we go. Of course, you can also request to speak if you're not shy.
And yeah, so without further ado, I think we'll get to the round of introductions. And yeah,
Liv, want to go first and tell us a bit about who you are. And the beautiful girl picture you have.
Yeah, yeah, sure. I'm Liv. I'm a writer, obviously. I've been using crypto since 2013,
but working full time this space since about 2019 2020. When I discovered DAOs. And yeah,
before that, I wrote a lot about technology and privacy. So I kind of found my niche in crypto,
and have had a lot of awesome experiences here. I've worked for a number of protocols,
and I currently work for raremo labs, who makes raremo protocol, which is a multi chain identity
solution. So yeah, I think that's kind of the TLDR. Yeah, that sounds great. And we'll get into
some of those maybe privacy and other experience you had previously later. Lisa, how about you?
Yeah, hi, I'm Lisa. I'm based out of Ireland. I'm a freelance writer
in crypto and blockchain. I studied English literature and mostly post colonial poetry,
about 15 years ago. And yeah, I've been kind of writing sporadically on and off since and I do a
little bit of consultancy on the side. And I have started looking at the metaverse as a way
to kind of express myself and stuff. So interesting things happening in the world of web three,
as always, so happy to write and learn as I write. That's what I kind of use the writing for a lot.
Yes, same, even though I've not been in the metaverse since, I mean, at least not with the
Apple vision pro. But yeah, writing to learn is definitely what I did as well. And hero,
how about you? Who are you for the people who don't know you? Yeah. Hey, guys. Hey, everyone.
I was going to say guys, and I realize it's majority girl. All right. So that's how we
shoot. Yes, I'm here. I'm at that app right now. And also, I'm a writer. But right now,
I don't do too much web three writing. Because I got like, yeah, I got first and more like product
marketing positions. But I'm trying to like, okay, don't tell this to any of my employees. But I'm
just trying to get out of crypto as soon as possible. So I can focus back on my own writing.
And so yeah, grinding hard this year. And then hopefully I never have to touch
rupturing again, because it's a shit show. Oh, wow, you came for the motivational talk.
It's great. Usually, that's my role. But okay, cool. We're switching today.
Yeah, so maybe let's get into Well, so there's one question that has tradition in this space.
And that is, what's your favorite anime? Or anime movie, if you so want. And if you've been on this
space before, you can also just tell us one of your recent discoveries. Yeah, how about you? Any
favorites? Did you say anime or animal? You can also tell us your favorite animal if you want.
My favorite anime is Inuyasha. And my favorite animal is a cat. So yeah, you can see my gal
verse kind of has like a cat tail and kind of like cat ears. Also, I wanted to ask,
did you add that little little looks like the milady to your gal? Or did it come like that?
Well, I have a unique trait is called Canva. So it's a big it's a collection called very
internet person. And so you can just have I own both of them. But yeah, it's a little devil.
It's funny. Yeah. And then something I'm currently like obsessed with is
I'm like, I can't stop thinking about like Paris Hilton and like Britney Spears and sort of like
the way that we treated women in the early 2000s and how they're coming out now and telling their
stories and how the way we view certain people is like changing. And then I just started going crazy.
And now I'm writing a book about Bimbo culture. So that's my current obsession.
Oh, wow. I mean, that's quite interesting. I remember those times we would always fetch him
everybody. Like, yeah, exactly. And sort of like the idea, I guess I should say, because Bimbo could
be kind of a loaded word. Bimbo is like reclaiming that as sort of like embracing of being hyper
feminine and unapologetic. Well, yeah, I saw that kind of coming back where people are like
dressing more girly and having all these bling bling things. And yeah, I'm here for it. I take
all the glitter. Lisa, how about you? Do you watch any anime? No, not really. Does
Spirited Way count? I'm not a big anime fan. I did come across a crypto game about three years ago
that was like focused on anime. And it was really good at the time. But I mean, these things have
their their phases, especially in crypto and web three, right? They go in and out of fashion very
quickly. So I know I'm not a big anime fan being completely honest. Oh, no, it's okay. But you know
Spirited Way, so we let that pass. I think it was it. It still is the only hand drawn animated film
that has ever won a Academy Award. So there you go. I like the popular stuff. Yes, exactly. I mean,
the soundtrack, I think even won an award. So it's good to know that one. Hero, how about you? I mean,
we know you've got a list curated even so. No, it's just, I've been on the show and it's many
previous works, right? Like a few times. And I've crashed a few times to know me always make sure
it's to comment on. But I'm a host now. And I just like I can't be saying the same anime semi
come on. So I think I'll dedicate today's episode to back here, right? It's like a martial arts
anime. It's on Netflix for all you, like anime, like people that aren't so familiar with anime.
It's very easily accessible on Netflix. And it's about martial arts. It's very, it's very backy.
It's very, like it's almost, you know, like some people might know Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, how
it's almost, it merges, it plays a lot on this idea of like, almost like masculine, a femacy,
right? In a, in like its own way. And backy almost takes that and it's, it's almost,
it almost like opposite where it's like very, very masculine, but in a way where it's very self
aware. So it's a, it's a, it's an interesting show to watch. And yeah, like that's, that's my
recommendation for anyone that's interested in martial arts, whether it's from Kung Fu to
Taekwondo to elements of Tai Chi, it has it all. So
Sounds like I should not get cancer my Netflix subscription. Also, my family will kill me if I
do because they use it more than I do. But I've recently been watching Terror in Resonance. And
that is like a pretty society critical one, I guess. And as the name suggests, there's terrorists
in it. But it's like, it's one of these it gives some for anybody who's watched it monster vibes.
So it's more of a psycho thriller. And it's just 11 episodes. So you can watch it in one night and
still get a few hours of sleep, which is a good way to judge an anime. But yeah, it's also a bit
depressing. So maybe don't watch it when you're down already. Yeah, and with that out of the way,
let's move on to maybe speaking about the journeys you went to, to get to this point of
being self identifying as a web three writer, maybe if you want to start and yeah, go a bit
into that how that happens. Yeah, it's kind of been a crazy journey. I work with another writer
now. Her name's Kitty, and she's awesome. And every time like as I get to know her, since we
we have like a newer relationship, I'll be like, Oh, when I worked here, when I was doing this,
and she's like, How many lives have you lived? Because like, I went from, I went to school for
communication design, which is like graphic design, advertising. And then when I left school,
I worked in photography and realized I love photography, but I didn't want to do it for my
career. But I started to see all the makeup artists on sets and like was really into it.
So then I became a makeup artist. And then I had a blog, this was like, you know, early 2010s,
I had a blog, and that became my full time job. So I was writing about makeup. So I went from
graphic designer to photographer to makeup artists to makeup blogger. And then that kind of
turned into like, quote unquote, influencer on Instagram. And then I realized the thing I liked
the most about it was writing. So then I started doing freelance writing. And then I became a
freelancer full time. And being an influencer and web to I don't even like the word influencer,
like it's like, I'm like, saying it to kind of like, do like exposure therapy. But like being in
that role, really showed me how little control I had over my audience and my income, and how easily
it could just disappear. Because if Instagram changed their algorithm, I no longer would be
able to charge as much for partnerships or get my content to more viewers. And then also relying on
like AdSense and Google SEO, and how much of that relies on sponsors content, and this is the
changing internet. And that really pushed me to look into DAOs. And then when I started getting
into DAOs, I like, there's actually one key person. Her name is Reema. And she had a DAO,
I don't know if it's still around called crypto besties. And it was like a makeup DAO. So it was
like a perfect entry point for me. And I wrote a Twitter thread for her and she called me and she
was like, you have to work in web three. She's like, you understand the technology, but you're
still like, so good at explaining it. So you should just totally work in the space. And then
I did. So I'm really grateful for her because I didn't really know it was an option to work in
crypto. So yeah, that's my crazy journey. Well, that was quite a lot. And I can understand why
she would ask you how many lives you've had seems like you've done a lot. But yeah, it's really
cool that you also had. I think a lot of us have this one person that kind of gives you the
confidence to say, okay, I can actually work in this space. Or I can actually be a writer,
because it doesn't necessarily come from yourself all the time. Yeah, often. Lisa, how about you?
Yeah, not as exciting. I haven't lived as many lives, maybe a few, but not as many as I live.
But I think, yeah, so starting, where do I start? Okay. So I did an undergraduate degree in
poetry, postcolonial poetry. I'm very interested in Derek Walcott, Seamus Heaney, anyone who is
part of the postcolonial era. And then I started writing a lot of postcolonial and going down the
rabbit hole of colonizer and all this kind of stuff. I'm writing about that I wrote a play.
I'm in a series of poetry. And I run a Limerick poetry festival, because I'm from a little town
called Limerick in Ireland. So, you know, the funny five line poem. Anyway, so that's my
poetry head. And then I professionally, I was just marketing for years. And then my friend said,
you need to talk to Jill, because I was doing a bit of foraging on the side. And I was looking
at sustainable food distribution. And she was like, if you're really passionate about supply chain
and writing about supply chain and food distribution and all this kind of stuff,
then you need to talk to Jillian Godsell, because she's writing in the space a long time. And she
knows the technology quite well. So at first, I was kind of on the fence, I was on the sidelines,
I was just writing and reading and researching. And then Jillian just said, look, if you want to
really learn about all of it, about everything that's happening, the easiest way to learn is to
write about different ecosystems. So I just started to read the news research and write with
Jillian. And she allowed me basically, like you were saying, you have one person that allows you
or brings you along on the journey. And I really admired the way Jillian was writing as well,
because for in my marketing life in web two, everyone was writing for search engines,
like trying to be on page one of Google. And it was this, it's kind of it became so boring. I was
like, this, this SEO type writing is just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So with
Jillian, I just found her style of writing really authentic. And she just said to me, I'm too lazy
to learn about SEO. And I said, Well, thank God you haven't because you've kept your voice. Whereas
everyone's like pleasing the search engines, including me. And so yeah, so I'm still kind
of very inspired by Jillian, who's was going to be on here as well, she might be on soon. But um,
and I'm still trying to find or retrain myself out of SEO style writing and find my poetic voice
again. So I'm, I'm kind of in the web three space at the moment, I'm kind of on the borderline and
involved in some poetry sessions and stuff like that. Because I want to get that back, you know,
from from my old life, that was like maybe 1815 1518 years ago, you know, so yeah, so that's my
my little journey. Before I forget that thought. And there's one guy he does like a little poem
every day. And he puts it on chain, I should introduce you. Oh, he even sent me a postcard
with a poem on the back. So that was really cute. So yeah, there is like people also in web three
who do poetry, I think we just need to get them all out there in the light light. I think we will
all hopefully, eventually, we all can stop writing for SEO. I think the problem is mostly the clients
that ask for it, right? So yeah. Okay, I'm here. How about you? What was your journey from literature
to, well, not so late web three, I guess. I don't know. But I just want to say to
Lisa's point, like Seamus, he wrote like, I'm not too much into Irish postcolonial literature,
but he wrote one of my favorite poems and it's called Lightning's Ape. And so, oops, I printed
on my profile. That was not my intention. I wanted to add it here. But I added also comments to the
thing. Maybe, Naomi, you know how to, I'm a bit boomer right now. You can pin it in the space. But
yeah, Lightning's Ape. It's one of my favorite poems and was written by Seamus Heaney. So since
then, I've always like, even though I've exported other poetry, nothing really hit me as much as
this one. But yeah, I forgot, what was the question again? Oh, no, just share how you got into web three.
Well, I've shared a story a lot. And I'll speak quick. So there was an ETH Amsterdam. And then
I'd been like learning about crypto when I was like young and naive. And I thought like,
it was full of fun. I'll stop being so pessimistic. But anyway, there's like a,
there's like a NIR event at ETH Amsterdam, NIR protocol. And I think something that NIR does
quite good is when they align with Ethereum, right? Because they have a lot of similar,
like a lot of similar like ethos and mechanics, and also going into that sharding technology.
And so I was like, I didn't know anything about NIR, aside from that, but I knew that Solana.
So I was like, let me go and learn about NIR because the entrance is free. And, you know,
because they raised like $800 million or some shit. So there was I was like, I'm sure there's
going to be some free merch. And I went and there was like, the Ilya, the founder and the XCO,
Marika were there. And I just walked up to Marika, the CEO. And I was just like, hey,
I don't know, like, I know a bit about crypto, but I studied literature and I'm a, I graduated.
I said I graduated, even though I hadn't graduated yet from uni. But like, I was like,
I'll probably get more chance to find a job if I say I graduated already. So I said, like,
I graduated from uni and I did literature, but do you guys have any like copywriting,
you know, like places that are looking for a copywriter? And she put me in touch via via. And
so I entered the NIR ecosystem and I started writing there. But it was very like, yeah,
I didn't expect it. I just came and I was just like, looking for free merch. And then I asked
if they had a position. And yeah, I think that's it. Looking for free merch, merch staying for the
job. I think that's okay. As a transition. I mean, for me, I didn't even start as a writer,
I started in sales, which I hated and still hate. I don't like sales. I think mostly because it makes
every relationship you enter feel pretty transactional. So no offense to the salespeople. It's
just not for me. But yeah, I mean, it's always good to go from merch to a job. It should happen
more often. And yeah, now you're here. And how do people react when you tell them what you do?
Like, especially the people who are not in crypto. And anybody can just go ahead and
jump in with their opinion or experience.
Oh, I just don't mention crypto. I just say like, I'm working on like a tech media publication.
I mean, back in my previous job, right. And I say like startup tech culture. And when I talk about
the crypto, like it's in it translates to my writing as well. Right. But I think you want to
help shape sort of the narrative of the good side of the technology that we're all running to. And
I focus more on focusing on like open source technology, right, and open source as a culture
itself. Talk about blockchain ledger technology, mostly to centralize the benefits of the
centralized ledgers, right. And then just unifying that under the, like, so I use as little crypto
terms as possible. And that's how I describe my job. And people go away, I don't know what they
think, right. But at least I try and just make everything that we're building a bit more
translatable. And if you start saying like web three, no one has any idea what you're talking
about, right. And if the problem is that I feel there's a lot of actually good value and good
projects and good technology stacks being built in the space. But the main perception of crypto is
still just like dogecoin and like, you know, like pump and dumps. So it's kind of hard to, you know,
to talk to people about crypto and make them like understand the difference between like a token
price and that it actually represents, it's supposed to represent the actual technology stack,
right. So I think, yeah, I've been very equivocating about my descriptions of what I do. But that's
the reason. Yeah, I mean, it could always be worse. Like you could be, if you said you were an
investment banker, I think reaction is similarly bad. But yeah, definitely open source tech sounds
a bit more like mysterious and interesting. Yeah, how about anybody else here? What do you tell
people? So I like start like, I tried to start by saying that I work in crypto, but then people
would like either assume that I was like a day trader or something. And I'd be like, No, no,
I worked in like marketing for crypto. And, and then I would try to explain some of the more like,
societal things that crypto and blockchain could change. And people just kind of like,
as soon as you say the word blockchain, like, I think most people, their brain just like shuts
off. And like, that was hard for me. For a long time, I would get really frustrated because
it felt like people were not open to it. So now I just kind of say like, Oh, I work in tech. That's
usually what I say. And then you know, I'm like a writer for tech, a tech company. And then when
people ask more about it, I say, you know, the software company that I work for, create solutions
so people can tell the difference between AI and humans on the internet. And that's like enough for
for most people to be like, Oh, that's really cool. And they don't even really need to know about the
blockchain part of it. And I think I've had to come to terms with the fact that like the only way
we're going to be able to kind of open people's minds to this technology is by providing actual
use cases, not just for financial use, but for everybody on the internet to have a better
experience on the internet. So that's kind of like my approach now. Yeah, because yeah, people just
kind of stop listening when you say crypto, unfortunately. Sure. But at least now we have
chip nails. So I think we are moving in the right direction. Soon, you just have to show your nail
and be like, Look, this is what the school technology does. Please don't ask any more questions.
Like I can't tap my nail and there's a proof that we met and it's zero knowledge.
And they might be even more confused.
Yeah. And for the people who don't know, there's a company called Kiki product,
Kiki world, Kiki world, I think. Yeah. And they make
glue on nails, I guess. And they have an NFC chip in there. So you can create proofs of who you
actually met. You can also use it to just open up your Instagram profile. And yeah,
it's wearable tech. And but yeah, Lisa, how about you? What do you tell people around you when
they ask you? Well, I had a weird experience during COVID because when the whole pandemic
happened, we shut down here in Ireland and there was no travel and there was no people going outside
or barely allowed outside your door. And I was running a kind of a foraging tour business
on the side. So that's how I was paying the bills. So when the pandemic happened, I was like,
oh my God, I can never be associate or attach myself to just one stream of income or one
industry ever again, because I just wasn't able to pay the bills.
When everything was shut down for travel and stuff. So they kind of taught me like,
like writing for me and writing crypto, being a writer in crypto, I can't really say that's my
only thing. That's all I can do. And I think it would be I wouldn't be able to provide for my
family if I if I, you know, focus or not focus. I know people say you should focus as an entrepreneur,
you should focus and you should do one thing or whatever. But I feel that didn't that has not
worked for me. You know, I need to have like multiple streams of stuff going on. And probably
because my brain goes to multiple areas as well. So I don't say I'm a writer in crypto or web three
writer or I'm a blockchain writer, I just say I'm researching, I'm writing, I'm learning kind
of thing. And if they say what you do, I say, well, I'm interested in this, you know, I don't really
pinpoint exactly who I am or what I do, because I think it would just I don't know, it would scare
me to attach myself to one thing. So yeah, I love I love the industry of crypto and web three. I love
it as a whole, because I think that it's more open to people that have multiple interests and
multiple, you know, streams of ideas and, you know, multiple ways of multiple multiple ways of using
their skill sets. Whereas I didn't like that in web two, whereas it was just like, you are this
one thing, you're a marketing person, and you can't, you know, think outside that box, you know,
so, yeah, I kind of like that about crypto and web three, actually, it's very positive. But yeah,
I don't say I say I'm interested in this, if someone asked me what I do, I'm like, I write a
bit, and I'm interested in this, and I'm researching this. So I don't really explain. And I don't
really attach myself to being a web three writer. Because I think there's there's other opportunities
that I want to do as well, you know. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I just tell people, I'm a
writer and marketer, usually. And most of them don't even ask anymore. Yeah. So they're just like,
if they do ask, and then they're like, explain to me a blockchain, and I'm like,
well, okay, here we go. And then you have to like, do your 10 minute speech about how this is the next
iteration of the internet. But I think the hardest audience for that anyway, has been my
family. So they still think I should become a teacher and quit this, like, whatever this
blockchain business is. Me too, me too.
They're like, this is not something sensible, you know, you should be like a teacher, or something
that is beneficial for society, which sometimes is hard to deal with when a lot of what you see
about crypto is not necessarily beneficial for society, at least in the public perception.
I don't know. Yeah, my dad had like a meltdown when I started working in crypto full time.
And he like, wouldn't believe he's like, are they paying you and the stupid fake money,
da, da, da. And like, he's like, you better not like, you know, get be getting paid and
internet credit or something like he just like wouldn't believe that it was
real. Because he kept being like, Oh, you can't buy groceries with it. Like, that was,
that was the threshold for him to believe that it's real. So when Juno came out, and they had
the debit cards that you could pay for stuff with USDC, I was like, Look, I can pay for groceries.
And like, little by little, he started getting more, you know, into it. And now he has some
Ethereum. So we've come a long way. My dad was the same. Well, he was kind of strange. He was
like, What do you do with this stuff, please? What do you do with this stuff? And then I was like,
Okay, well, you know, give me some money. And I'll show you if I can do something with it for you.
Because he, my dad's from the age where he doesn't even use email, you know, so he was like,
how do I get in on the action? You don't understand how to work the internet, you know,
but I don't ask how do you can send a check to Bitcoin? Oh, God.
You know, I once worked at an exchange, and then we were going to send funds to some person,
and they send us their home address when we asked for the address. So you know, this has happened.
But yeah, it's not so easy to explain to people, especially yeah, people who don't know how to use
the internet. I think that's quite a tough ask. But yeah, I think one of the biggest challenges
in web three is that kind of the narrative shifts all the time and the technology does.
So how do you navigate that? Do you have some kind of sources you go to to kind of stay on top of
things? Or do you just say, you know what, I don't give a shit, I just want to stay on top of this one
thing that I need for work and the rest I'll just like, I think I'll let the other guest answer
this question because, yeah, like narrative can't make up its mind, right? So our narrative shifts
every week. And one day we're the blockchain operating system, like, the next day we're
something completely different. And no one agrees with each other. And then it's up to us as
content writers to talk about this blockchain as if it's like a fully functional blockchain that
everyone has its mind up, but then no one knows, right? So yes, I abstain from answering this question.
Well, let's stay about this one way.
Yeah, I can answer I like, I have a tendency to like, hyperfixate on the thing that I'm
interested in. So like, you know, blockchain has always been a sort of like hyper fixation for me
since I've learned about it. So I'm constantly like, consuming information news through like
podcasts. I really like Unchained by Laura Shin, because she'll kind of like tie it into current
events. And she's very like, you know, unbiased. I also like Bankless, but that's more like,
entertaining, I guess. I love boys club, and listening to their interviews and stuff. But
that's just, you know, for me to stay on top of things before I worked at raremo, I worked
for consensus. And I was doing like, I was a copywriter for the whole company. So I like,
was kind of constructing the narrative for the direction they're headed. So it was a big part
of my job was, you know, just being really into everything that was going on. But that kind of
came naturally to me, in terms of like, tying that into how I interact with non crypto people.
It did get really annoying when all the SPF stuff was happening. Like,
everybody that knew I worked in crypto or was like, Oh, is that your boss? Like that
SPF guy? And I'm like, No, or like, did you lose a ton of money? Or, you know, are you gonna have
a job still? And I'm like, I literally have never used FTX. Like, I have no relation to that person.
But like, you know, that's all people hear about outside of crypto is they hear like the really
bad news, usually. So that can be a little frustrating. But yeah, I try to stay on top of
things and, you know, just be prepared for whatever is happening. Also, I do social media
for my role right now. So I kind of have to be on top of it for that too.
And it helps if you are on social media, usually you see kind of what the crypto people are talking
about. Yeah, for better and worse sometimes. Lisa, how about you?
I do. I'm doing a refi podcast series with Enacta at the moment. And it's really interesting because
it kind of I think, for me, interviewing people in the space founders in the space, or even, you
know, members of teams and CMOs or COOs or whatever there is, I think interviewing people that makes
me positive about the space, you know, because you hear where they're coming from and why they
want to launch something, why they want to develop something, you know, where they were inspired
before, that kind of stuff. So you can you can really that's how I stay on top of things by
interviewing or by talking to projects. But I think once you get in front of one on one with people,
that's that that kind of forces me to understand what they're trying to do and where they're coming
from. What really frustrates me, if I'm being honest, is that people who aren't very flexible
in the space, and there's a good few people in the space, and I won't name the ecosystems, but
there's a few out there that consider themselves very technical, and they won't like move away
from the technical spiel. And they won't, even if you have ideas for them, or if someone you know
might have ideas from them, for example, and they're kind of like, Oh, no, this is what we're
doing. We're on track, we're this is our roadmap, whatever. And I think it's, you know, the adoption
isn't there to be saying, you know, you're on track, and you're going to be a stiffer, and this is what
you're going to do. And you're, this is all you're going to focus on. I think, you know, you have to,
if someone's willing to help you and think outside the box, then you have to be open to listening.
Why they think you should go down another route, or why they think you should be flexible, you know,
so that frustrates me in crypto a lot. But other than that, I think being one on one with projects
and founders, that's really inspiring. And it's, it's so positive on the most part, for the most
part is very positive. And it's very much they're trying to solve a problem. And most of them are
trying to solve actual problems or be part of a solution to a real world problem. So for example,
in the refi stuff, like food distribution, and, and who is benefiting from coconut plantations,
for example, the coconut dao project that I interviewed last week, out of Dominican Republic,
and like, who knows where the money is going, you know, for the coconuts out there, whereas now with
blockchain, and with other resources, and through the dao, you know, you have more community
involvement, or more community say, and where those resources are, how those resources are
being harnessed, I think that's really powerful. So yeah, that's how I stand up things just more
one on one interviewing people. Yeah, on the topic of food distribution and such,
I read a really long report the other day, because I don't have any hobbies.
And it was about how Mexico's avocado boom has led to more organized crime. So for anybody who
thinks they're solving and saving the world by eating out avocados, you're not. But you're just
helping some mafiosis make more money, which I guess it's it's cool for them. But yeah, if you
think that you might want to reconsider your food choices, and maybe there's a dao that can help
there. I mean, you never know, there's a lot of good that can come from getting people all across
this space to collaborate. And I do like when people come with different backgrounds, like,
with three, obviously, a lot of them always come from tech. And then there's the people who come
from finance, and they have a very fixed mindset about, yes, we need to tokenize everything. And
then we need to make a derivative of this tokenized version of everything. And then we need to restake
the derivative, and then we need to package it up. And I don't know, sell it to somebody. And I find
it quite refreshing to find people who are not like that and focus also on like niche other things,
because you never know what it leads to, right? Could be something about coconuts could be there's
a pina dao, of course, focusing on women's health and making a positive impact there. So I think
there's still corners in web three that are definitely focused on the good stuff. But yeah,
maybe on that topic of, I guess, at the end of the day, we all need to buy food. And sometimes that
means writing something that you're not really like necessarily interested in or all too motivated
about. So how do you do that? Like, let's say somebody tells you, okay, write this SEO block
about. I don't know what app specific roll ups. How would you go about that? If that's kind of like,
it's your livelihood, but you don't really feel motivated. Do you have any tricks tips?
I think it's really hard. I find that really hard. And I find writing about a topic that I'm not
interested in really hard. But I agree, it's something you have to do as a writer, if you're
going to pay the bills with it, you know, but the way I usually do it is I usually put the hardest
ones to the start of the week. And I know people, you know, it's kind of a long standing thing to
to do your hardest task first or whatever. But if it's something I really don't want to do,
I'll be like, get it over with by Tuesday. So you can, you know, spend like Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday, or whatever the the rest of the week doing, like, maybe not the rest of the week,
but you know, the majority of your time or 50% of your time, writing about stuff that you want to
write about our topics that you're interested in. Because otherwise, you know, otherwise,
what's the point for me anyway, what's the point of being a freelance writer, you know, I might as
well try work for in house and go back into marketing, if I'm going to be writing about
stuff that I don't like, or, you know, pushing products that I don't really, I'm not that
interested in, then I might as well just go work full time for a project. But for me,
the value of being a freelance writer is that I don't have to do 100%, you know, of subjects
that I'm not that keen on. Anyway, that's my my only method. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's like a big reason why I moved from being a web two writer to web three,
because a lot of the topics in web three interest me, of course, I still have tasks
sometimes that I don't want to do. And it's like a lot harder for me, especially if, you know,
if anyone has ADHD or any type of neuro divergence, it's like, it's like on hard mode,
if I am not into the thing that I'm writing about. I usually try to just like write an outline,
or like, little by little do it bits at a time. But like a part of the reason why I, you know,
moved to the project I work in now is because identity and privacy that has always been my
passion. So it's easy for me to write about that. And yeah, one of the cool things I found when I
started working for dows was, like, for example, tally has a content guild, tally protocol. So you
could pitch an article that you want to write and then the Dow votes, like the other writers in the
Dow vote on whether or not to publish that article. So you have a lot of freedom on what you want to
write about. And that helps a lot. Because I'm always writing about something that I'm already
interested in. But yeah, it's challenging when you have to write about boring stuff.
Yeah, hero, any any comments or thoughts from your side? Do you even do any writing that you
wanted to at the moment? Maybe that's also something worth asking before? Yeah.
Yeah, good. Well, the thing is, right? Well, I can't, I can't go into that. But I used to be
editor in chief of like a media publication. And that was a nice because I was working with Naomi
and I was writing, like, stuff I wanted to write. But then, like, you see quite often, you see,
like, community platforms on like, like, just on Twitter, right? You see, like, every Web 3,
they have like this, like, I think every tech startup, right, from Silicon Valley to Web 3,
has this fascination with appearing like community driven and community run, right? Like,
I think that's like the key investment SEO metric, like, we have a community driven platform,
or it's like, you know, for the community. But, you know, quite often, I find actually,
there's like no community involved, but you have like, maybe 40 year old men, like that don't
interact at all with the community that they're covering. And when it comes, and I think it's a
big disconnect, also in the fashion industry, I used to work a bit there. And there's also like a
bit disconnect with what's happening in editorial, like, boardrooms almost compared to what's
happening maybe at like, in like, in the actual community itself. And so I got a bit tired about,
so I just went away, but then I got a new job opportunity. So that's what I'm doing now. So
I'm writing about stuff, it's interesting. But for me, writing is more like art, right? Like,
I don't consider like, I went to literature, I did literature at uni, right? And it was,
it was like quite a prestigious university in London. But I got so disillusioned
by this whole writing concept and forcing yourself to write about stuff that you don't care about.
And also, yeah, so I'm a bit like, I just want to not work at all and just do my own personal
writing. And no one has to read it, it can just be for myself. And that will be my writing.
Yeah, I kind of resonate with the do your own kind of writing. I've, I started doing that. I
started using Paragraph, which is a totally separate publication from like, Medium. It's a
web3 platform, where actually all of my blogs are now on our weaves. So I can prove it was an AI
that wrote this, I can prove I was the first if anybody was wanted to steal my posts. And
and yeah, that all of those posts, they're not directly about crypto. And I find it
a lot more fun to write those at times, when it's like just one of my niche interests.
And sometimes, of course, you can relate stuff back to what you see in crypto, especially if it's
something around like productivity, and how you see a lot of the crypto people working,
being like scatter brained all day long, and not getting necessarily the stuff done,
they were supposed to. But yeah, I mean, of course, I do a lot of crypto writing for work.
And I do enjoy it. But I kind of need to balance it out with the non crypto stuff.
Also, I'm going crazy. And I'm also going to share a link for a article that was writing about how
modern publishing or how how empty literature that is that is written for the markets. And on your
point here, or that you just mentioned that you got desolution. I also kind of got disillusioned
or sad after reading this. So it's like, cool. Because sometimes it feels like that if you buy
one of those super bestseller books, and especially in the nonfiction category, there can be a lot
that are just like, yeah, it's nothing new. There's nothing insightful in this one. Yeah,
so I'm gonna drop that here. And yeah, so maybe on that, since I already mentioned it now,
do you guys write on any of those web three blogging platforms? If yes, which one and where
and feel free to drop a link to your writing? And if no, why not?
This, this is like, I want to, I've like published a few things on medium or not medium,
sorry, mirror. But yeah, the distribution doesn't really kind of make sense. Yet, I think it will
get better. I have a sub stack, I think a lot of web three people have sub stack. So I think that's
like, you know, it's interesting. People can talk about, oh, this tool is better. But at the end of
the day, how many users are choosing to use it? Like, why, why do people use sub stack instead of
mirror or another platform? I, but if there was something, I know mirrors, like subscription
feature has helped a lot. But yeah, right now, it's just mostly sub stack for publishing my own
my own work. Yes, here, go ahead.
I just echo also what I'm saying. So, you know, I think unlike, maybe most people are not
freelance writer at the moment, right? I just do marketing, got that full time. But I've got of
course, I do like a lot of like, you know, I write over the content and blog posts coming up and
whatnot. And I found them all actually quite interesting, but I don't really consider it
like, I don't know, writing, because there's not much thinking going on, you know, or like
crafting. But it's talking about the distribution platform itself. It's quite interesting, because
I was thinking to like, we're having a major announcement with linear coming up. And linear
was like, Oh, you guys need to go mirror, you guys need to have a mirror count. And I was looking
into it, right? And I'm just also just sort of echoing with this thing, I'm just like, okay, but
then, like, it gets a point where it's like, well, mirrors seem very cool, but it gets a point also
where it's like, what do you really want to, you know, achieve here? And I think something like,
like Naomi was sort of echoing with her own personal writing is like, okay, it's cool,
but now you can have like, you get these added benefits of, you know, you can prove, you can
prove the origin of the writing. You can prove it's not written by AI, you can claim ownership.
I think you can also sort of distribute it more to people in your category. But I don't think that
I think that's quite unique. Also to know me, like you currently write as a freelance writer. So like,
for that, that didn't really make sense. So we just ended up getting a sub stack.
So just interesting to explore, because I think that the, you know, sometimes I fear that people
are just putting stuff on chain. Because it's like someone said it was cool to put it on chain. And
it's like, okay, but what's the actual benefit here? And sometimes it makes sense. But it's just
interesting to think about. So I just wanted to go down. Yeah, I have a few writer friends that do
paragraph as well. And they do mirror. There's another one out there. I forget the name of it.
I'll get it off Dylan. He's a poet. But I kind of agree with the guys that agree with live and hero.
I don't think doing something on chain for the sake of doing something on chain is
a good enough reason to do it. And especially if you want to get eyes on your writing, I just don't
think there's enough eyes in the world of web three at the moment, you know. So but I do think
I was on this thing called Hello Poetry, which was a poetry community like 10 years ago online.
I think it's been bought out since but it still exists. And I went there just to read other
people's poems that weren't being published by the publishers, you know. So it was kind of like a
community of poets where we'd all just get together and kind of write silly poetry. And I wrote a lot
of limericks and stuff. And they read my stuff. I read their stuff, but it was kind of like
supporting each other because we didn't have access to the publishers that were selecting the stuff.
And I still think there's probably a place for that. And maybe web three is a good place to do
that. Maybe paragraph or one of the platforms to, you know, you have a space that's like, okay,
I want to support my fellow web three writers, my fellow crypto writers, people that are interested
in writing about, you know, creative stuff that's going on in this space. And I know where I'll
find them. Whereas at the moment, I'm kind of disillusioned. I'm like, where do I find these
people? Or, you know, is it sub stack? Is it, you know, and I don't know, I still don't think that
we have a home for web three writers. Yes, I don't know. We need to create a podcast for a channel.
Yeah, you should because there's one lady, she is writing really good blog posts about that topic
and creating a space for web three writers. So yeah, it's all happening on Firecaster now. I'm
not getting paid to shoulder. It's just a desk called writers. She definitely is. I just want to
expose Naomi here, right? She sent me like an invite link to podcast. That's a webcast, right?
And then I haven't clicked on it for a few days. And I just got like, I just got a DM at some point,
like, I don't think you're really that interested in Forecaster because you actually I can see and
you haven't accepted my input. And so I got bullied into joining webcast right then and there.
But yeah, it worked. I have a profile now. And also if you share your paragraph link on there,
it will automatically pull all the comments that people make, even on the other platform and put
it below the blog. So it's pretty cool. But yeah, I think Liv wanted to say something.
Oh, yeah, there's, I will say like, for my creative writing, which I've always done,
and I've never really been able to make that my main focus. It would be awesome if like poetry
and fiction were things I could do more. But I will say Tezos has like a lot of really cool
fun tools and platforms that I use. There's something called 8Scribbo. I don't really know
how to it's like the number eight SCRIBO I'll put the link in our in the thread. And it's you can
only post haikus and they're on chain. But the cool thing about Tezos is like everything you
collect is in editions. And it's usually pretty inexpensive. So sometimes I publish haikus on
there. But I also just like to browse around and like collect ones that I like. And then I have this
little collection in my wallet of pretty interesting haikus and poems. So that's like a fun
creative thing that I like. I'll post the link. It's really, it's nice.
I think in general, Tezos has a lot of good inexpensive arts. And also a fun community,
a friend of mine explained it once they were one of the first to have all these tools available to
make generative art and like, combine AI and algorithmic art. And that's why they attracted
like all this initial cool crowd of people just experimenting and having fun.
So yeah, I have an article I wrote for forefront. That's the title of the article is
how Tezos is like the punk underground, cool kids of all blockchain.
Like the alternative, like cool community. Because there's so much there's so much like
amazing art and just vibes. It's true. We should all go hang out at Tezos a little bit.
Just completely random. I'm trying to subscribe to the substat. But then it's saying I should
have received a confirmation email to confirm and I'm just like, I'm not getting it at all.
I'm taking my spam and everything. So I'm trying to subscribe to the substat here. But
maybe that's why I don't have as many subscribers. Maybe you should try a paragraph because people
can subscribe with their wallet. No, I'm kidding. I actually do like I've been looking at paragraph
if anything, I will try that. But it might take sometimes it takes a little while. Yeah.
Or it could be I think substat sometimes and substance spam. I've had that happen to me too.
By the way, if you're a person that reads a lot of newsletters, I mean, that's kind of off topic. But
if you are there's this app called meco app, which will take all of the newsletters out of your inbox
and put them in its own interface. So you can just make time for reading newsletters and not have them
like spam your inbox. No, I just want to say you're breaking your own rules here because I'm looking
at like the plan outline and it says no shilling strictly no shilling. No, it's no shilling. It's
like helpful advice if you don't want to like spam your inbox because it's free. So you're not like
paying anything. And if you're usually writers have to read a lot. So
and if you subscribe to live, it's nicer if you can read her
sub stack in an interface that's not full of spam emails.
Just you know, write experience. But yeah, since we're running up to the hour, I think we should
maybe get into the closing ceremony for which everybody can just share what they're excited
about or excited for. In the next few. Did we lose Melissa? Yeah, it seems so. I guess she was
excited to leave. No, I think she might have just had another call. Or she also has a baby. So
might be that maybe she got lost in the self subscribing to live. Yeah, probably.
She might have been trying that. Then she got lost. We will excuse her.
Yeah, if you have anything you want to share or anything you're excited about for the next
few weeks. Nice the time to share it. I like the idea. I like the idea that my sub stack is like a
portal to hell. No, it's like to the other world. You know, it's not hell necessarily. It's kind of
like Narnia. Yeah, it's a wormhole. Yeah, I don't know. Lewis is one of my favorite writers.
And so I love his reference. Yeah. Who? C.S. Lewis. Oh, C.S. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But
since we're talking about excited, can I can I show here? Yeah, yeah. This is the moment you
I like to show. Okay, okay, okay. No, but just because I'm I got very worried when I said
chilling is the square. Do you not realize like all of our trees shedding from the beginning? So
it's like, yeah, no, because no, because usually it's like projects. And then they're going to
start talking about how amazing that product is. But really, this stick and put it on their website,
but we don't need to discuss it on the space. Yeah, so that's why that's in there. Okay, good.
Got it. But let me then show. So hey, guys, everyone. So I'm not dapped up right now.
It's like a multi chain aggregation tool built on there. It's basically like, but forget I'm not
going to show but just check it out. Go to that that me up. Very interesting, very easy to remember,
right? It's just like the depth, you know, that that and then me up on Twitter. And we are we're
going to market like early this month. 17. We're going to launch like a product.
And it's exciting. Lots of big partnerships coming and that's the end of the show.
Okay, we let that one slip. It wasn't that bad of a shell. And yeah, everybody tried that. It's
like the unifying interface for all of your l2 needs. I would say so. Yeah. Um, I don't know if I
well, like, in terms of selling, you don't need to you can also talk about something else. It's not
required to show true true. Yeah, no, no, you have to show you have to show that's far.
Radar DAO is the best place on the internet. And if anybody is looking to join a really cool group
of people, we do future foresight research research, but in a more decentralized way. The
whole thing is to have more inclusive futures. And last year, we did three reports. And this year,
we're doing 12. So if you like talking about weird internet rabbit holes, radar DAO is awesome. And
then the other thing is where am I where I work is really cool. Not enough people know about it,
in my opinion, my humble opinion. And we're releasing a new tool called freedom tool,
which allows people in countries where voter suppression is happening, it allows them to vote.
And they can prove they're a citizen with their passport, but zero knowledge proof keeps their
information private. So that's really exciting. So check out the RMO. Wait, so what's future foresight?
Future foresight is like, I had no idea what it was. When I joined, I was like, Oh, wait,
I'm doing this. It's sort of like, like collecting trends online. They're called signals. So like,
I'm trying to think of an example, like a recent example would be beige moms, like the
moms on tiktok who like paint all their kids, toys, brown, and like white to make it more
aesthetically pleasing. And that kind of goes into like a bigger trend of people flattening color,
and having a more aesthetic. I don't know, I'm going into a rabbit hole.
Yeah, I'm looking for an emoji reaction. But there's nothing that really captures my
Yeah, like last year, we had so many signals about AI that we ended up doing
a report on AI as like a centaur future. So like, how humans and AI can use each other to improve
the world. Another example is like, one of my favorite threads and radars dudes are not okay.
And it's just, there's like hundreds and hundreds of articles. And so it's sort of like,
it's kind of trying to like foresee trends that are coming and how we can build tools and cultivate
communities to make those features better, more inclusive. So is this why your golfers
have like an eye on their head? I could turn on it. Yes, I know. I didn't. That was not
intentional. I never thought of it that way. But that's really cool. And now that's, thank you.
I owe you that because that's really awesome. Now you're not.
Yeah, sure. I just got distracted. I realized we didn't mention AI, which I think it's probably
refreshing, because nobody can hear that it's going to replace here anymore. So we're not going
to go down there for the finishing lines either. But speaking of AI, I did AI generate a little
poet for everybody to claim. If they want, I pinned the link there. It's a shark dog. So no
gas fees, no nothing. You don't even need a wallet as far as I'm aware. I mean, if you don't
have one, of course, it's on the air. So not everybody might have one. And yeah, it's been
great having you all here. I hope to repeat this one, because I think it's fun to just speak to
other writers and not just staffs. And what I'm excited for is probably, well, before I forget
that one, since you said dudes are not okay. I recently wrote a post about Robert Schumann.
And he was definitely not okay. And he was living 200 years ago. But I think he was foreshadowing
what would happen to dudes nowadays. So I think we are on to something there. And so for all the
dudes that are not okay. Anyway, I'm excited for East Denver and to hang out with. Yeah, my new
teammates from sub squid and also lots of other cool events like the Shifai Summit, the NPC Day.
And I think there's also a boys club party. So should be fun. So yeah, that's all I'm excited
about. I just want to say, we'll see you there. Yeah. You guys all going to East Denver? Yeah.
Now tell the dev dev guys to send you as well. And you will be there. Like that app is going,
but not me. So this is like this is not ideal. But well, just one of them needs to get sick,
you know, not saying you could do something about that. But oh my god, are you telling
them to poison? They can just have it. Okay, but I just want to say I'm so traumatized by trying
to subscribe to this stuff, because I was trying to claim this shirt up now. And I just put my
email address instead of my new wallet. This is the future of web three, you just put your email
and that's how you're I mean, that's what privy does. So you're on to something there. Okay,
I can't, I'm not gonna expose this person, but I worked at Meteor wallet, right? And one of my
friends submitted a support ticket the other day, because it sounds like like, like 3k on chain to
the wrong identity, like it's like a wrong email, like you put his email address and the send
function and the wallet, you sent it because near you have like, you can have a different
ending. So we have like named wallets, right? So it's like, you know, like, I'm Christomancy near,
but you can also have like, Christomancy dot TG or Christomancy dot sweat. And so he put like his
email address, which ends in dot IO, and the wallet is accepted it, but it doesn't exist this account
at all. And so you sent 4k. And I just saw that support ticket come in Meteor wallet. And I'm like,
this is my friend. Oh my god. So this message, I'm like, are you okay, bro? And that yeah,
so this is the future. We're living it. We found a bird mechanism. It's perfect.
Exactly, guys. Send your favorite tokens to yeah.
Sounds like a plan. Well, thanks, everybody. This was a lot of fun. And thanks to everybody
listening as well. I hope you got something out of it. And yeah, see you soon again. Somewhere