Hello everyone, how's it doing? I'm pretty well. How are you?
Very good. Very good man. We actually started on time for a moment there
I thought would be delayed but yep, everything works. Well, it's in space testing on an alt
Even though the space is testing on the alt failed
When you tested the space on an alt it failed
Yeah, yeah, I thought hey there are a lot of issues with spaces so let's see if we can actually test it ahead of time
Start once you happens. Yeah. Yeah, there are some issues
There are some issues there and they were persistent. So I said fuck space is going to be broken
Then I opened this one. It didn't appear. I was like, okay
Huh, I didn't even realize there were issues. I guess I'm not joining enough spaces
So, what do we have lined up for today?
I think should we wait a little longer until the room fills up a little bit. Also is Katherine coming?
It was just a second. Yeah, and we could maybe wait for Kitty Brodsky to come in
Our favorite. Well, your favorite Canadian not mine
I love the timing of that. It's absolutely amazing
That's amazing good stuff
Look at that. The listeners are really pouring in this morning. It's great. Not even morning. Sorry
I had a long fucking day. Can you invite
I just heard my name was being slanted and did not consent
Yeah, you you very much do enjoy that
Just because I enjoy that doesn't mean I consent
That is a true story. So I won't take it any further. We're trying to be a little more serious on this space
I think you should begin with everybody like and repost this space
We have a few things to cover. Pretty sure Sarah already has a timeline. I'll be looking around seeing if there are any
Weird issues that are occurring keep the pal flowing. We will be doing this for 90 minutes
So one and a half hours we'll try and keep this as mission focused as possible
This is the first space towards the end of the space
Um, I will be scheduling the space that we will be having next week covering essentially the exact same things that we have covered
This week once again, so we're gonna have these weekly summaries every single week
Practically every week. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna have these every single week
And we're going to be recapping all kinds of things news tech and x updates
Just basically what has happened this week in x hence why we call it x weekly
and eventually we'll be even expanding this into an even bigger thing if successful which
May be very interesting for a few people who wish to even create this type of content, which would be summarized
Which would be summaries or weekly summaries of the news, but that's that's in the future for now
Let's work on the scalability aspects of things
Which is what we have here today and I think we should actually be able to start going right now. I think we
Started a hundred or like what do we think?
No, I think I think we we've got a good start to the room. We've got from my
From what I see we have 99 people in here. We just need one more
Come on. I think we need 420, you know
We're at 102 right now. So I think we've we've achieved um target goals for sarah
She keeps them low so that they're easily achievable
I just want to adjust the audience if anyone in the audience has been in like an obscure space and has something that you want to add
And you can let us know maybe I can feed it back up to the group as well
Um, you can dm me but um, I always filter those through to kathryn
So be mindful that you are
Dm'ing kathryn when you dm me
Um only the naughty picks go to sarah not me or kathryn. She really enjoys that. I understand
Um, I pretty much just uh, you know, sarah forwards me all my death threats is how it works
How many times do I tell you it's not a forward when i'm sending them directly get with it
I'm gonna be dragged adrian has already
Let's get started. Okay. Um
So we just we thought we'd talk about some news of the week. Um, we do have our news correspondent kathryn broadski
Um who can throw in her own flair? She is a journalist
the first topic that comes to mind is the iowa caucus and
It was a race for second place in my opinion
I think that you would have to live under a rock to think that donald trump was not going to sweep that
I think for myself. I was watching second place. It wasn't even close
Um, I was surprised that nikki haley not finishing as strongly as I thought she would given the money that she spent
Um, i'll go to you kathryn. Do you think it was any surprise that donald trump?
Sweeped it he could have sat home and spent nine dollars
Um on advertising and still have swept
Uh, the iowa caucus. What do you think?
Oh, I don't think it's a surprise at all. Um, it is
And for like i'd like to see more diversity in the in the battlefield
But uh, I think there's just no way that anyone's gonna
On the republican side is going to really outdo him. I mean he just has this
Massive sort of cult following and I just don't see that changing to be honest
Do you see that this will be the case in all states that new hampshire he can pretty much stay home
And still sweep the state or do you think there'll be a surprise?
I mean, you know what's interesting?
I think on the republican side. I just don't see anybody else like just the level of support
Here's the thing. So and you know, i'm leaving my personal views aside from this but the thing here is that
It's it's like a lot of times people vote against certain politicians
And they they kind of you know stuff their nose and they go well
You know, i'm just gonna vote for the best of the worst, right? That's how a lot of people have been voting sadly
With trump, he just energizes people to this extent where they really feel like they're voting for him
Not just against a um, you know other republicans or democrats
Um, that is kind of unique
That's a different question
But but it is something that is that is his sort of cult like appeal and it's it's quite rare to see in a candidate
So I have to give him I guess that credit. So yes, I think he can for the most part
Um, I think there are probably going to be some states where he might not want to stay home
And I think also it's important for political candidates to connect with their base so that they feel like they're not just taking
Them for granted, you know, the tides can change people turn on people all the time. So
and that way I don't think he
literally has to stay home, but
Just kind of unbeatable. I think
I think he could have phoned it all in. I don't think that he probably needs to spend
The level of money that other candidates like uh desantis and nicky. Haley are spending
I think that he could stop spending today and still sweep them in the nomination
You you said something very interesting. Sometimes people will vote
Uh, like for somebody because it's a vote against another candidate
So for example, um, you really hate nicky. Haley really hate ron desantis
uh, but you're not really you don't really like donald trump so you just vote for him as a vote for the other two but
You point it out and I think you're right
People vote for donald trump because they really believe in him
And they they're not throwing their vote away for somebody else. They are really behind this man and his messaging
Donald trump or not whether you want him to be the nominee
I think at this point, um, if iowa is any indication, which I think it is, um, he's locked the nomination
Other candidates are wasting their money and um, I called it the night of the caucus. I called it
I was right write it down mark your calendars because I said that vivek ramaswami will drop out
And sure enough he did he didn't run
He didn't really take any controversial positions and all of the other candidates at least took a position against trump
Because they knew that that is who they're running against. They're not running against each other
They're running against donald trump and the vivek ramaswami was very careful in his messaging and I think he's very smart
Yeah, but I think it's also smart if he's thinking long term and I imagine that might be of course he is
Yeah, yeah, so I think either yes some people think he's angling for a position with the trump administration
But beyond that I think what he his hope might be is that he would run again
Um, and by not attacking trump, right?
That means that the the people this very energized fan base that trump has
Could go to to him to the vet
So that is something that I think he is probably being quite strategic about so why he never really attacked trump
And frankly, he wouldn't really benefit that much from attacking him
Um, you know, he always sort of presented himself as this
Um, I think his kind of phrasing around it was that he's he's trump without the the baggage and and more polite
Let's just say and that kind of appeals to a lot of people within the republican party
Because they actually might like his policies, but not like his personality or his persona
And so in that way it's not a strategic mistake
Well, I do think that you're correct that he's running for 2028 this was for name recognition and branding only
um, but at some point he will have to
I don't know he'll have to at least if he's going to run as a republican
He will have to take a stand at some point. Um in 2028 if trump were to lose this election
It's unlikely that he'll run in 2028
If trump were to lose his um the election, uh, I mean I think the next position would essentially be
You know, they went after trump i'm gonna fix the system. So this doesn't happen again
I'm doing this really in trump's name. I think you know more subtle than that
But I think that's what he would do again
He's energizing this the the crowd the the connection to trump is very emotional
That is hard to to do because when you're looking at something like, um other candidates
I think that it's coming from a different place
And when it comes to trump, there's a combination of voters. This is just my opinion, of course
But there's a diverse pool of voters some of them
Really love trump, you know, because maybe they like the policies they hate the democrats
That's another reason people vote for him
On the other hand you have people who just really see him as this lord and savior
So you have a kind of a a pool of people that have different reasoning behind why they're supporting him
But ultimately it's a very passionate pool of people which is not again not so common with candidates
So he would just benefit from not criticizing him like strategically if you're just looking at in terms of strategy
All the other candidates have now criticized attack trump. Well if they run again
If they have an option of a guy who didn't criticize him and stood by him and resigned and endorsed him
Who are they going to vote for? I I think that's the move that he's making
I don't know. I don't necessarily think it's the right move
Um, do you think that the other candidates aren't coming in as strong because they have criticized donald trump?
Well, I think they're just not very strong
So I don't think it's necessarily just because of the criticism because there's a lot of people
On the republican side that I talk to who actually really don't like trump. They're very non-trump voters
So for them they're good options
But the passion is in there in the same way
So I think the candidates themselves
Are just not necessarily as as strong in terms of you know getting that attention
Not necessarily, you know, i'm not necessarily commenting on their abilities or anything like that
I just don't think they get the same kind of traction as as those who um
You know trump is very good at television
Vivek proved himself very good at television like I
And this does not mean again not endorsing anybody right now
But I do think that I was quite surprised that he went as far as he did. I did not expect that
So he was kind of a dark horse for sure
Doesn't you know the no candidate on any side has a tendency to really go into
Complex politics or anything like that. They don't go into detail on their platforms and their policies
They they simplify everything quite a bit. And so ultimately I think it's sort of like, you know
When you go for an interview
And that first 10 seconds they say is when the the employer decides that they like the candidate
I think it's kind of like that with politics for the most part
Um, I would agree agree with you, um, I I honestly did not think that um
That vivek would go so far. I thought that he you're right
He is a little bit of a this dark horse
He sort of for me at least came out of nowhere sort of how to
He went into the car. I didn't think he would even make it into the debates to be honest
I think we will see him in 2028, but I also think that he's very strategic
Strategically angling for a cabinet position and he might possibly even get it
Um, I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing
Um, I know that I doubt he will be up for the vice president, uh position thoughts
Oh, yeah, it sounds like because didn't trump already say that he has somebody in mind already for the vp position and
Then he issued very strong criticism of vivek. So I don't think that he's the guy
So I would say just making that logical connection. I don't think it's vivek at all
I i'm not sure I i'm really curious as who it is. Um, I I don't know who it is. I
Imagine either somebody dropped out early enough
Or somebody completely, you know, not quite. I mean honestly for all I know it could be tucker carlson
Oh gosh, could you imagine?
Do people really think that tucker carlson would be a great vp pick? I don't see it
Um, sure. He I mean tucker is very good at what he does. He's very very good
He knows how to to speak very well to that audience. He knows how to rile up the left
He knows how to rile up the centrists, but um
For an important position as vice president of the united states
I don't see it. I don't see
What he does on a daily basis
I don't see that correlating to a statesman. He's not a statesman
Yeah, usually you want a vp who is going to get the job done
And the the president is really the one meant to sort of rile up the crowds and do good speeches and in a way
That's like more of a tucker
Role, but I have noticed how
Invasive he is on the question because that was floated around that indeed. Um,
Trump picked him to sort of to be a vp and then people started asking him about it and he said that
And this was I think even on x and and he said it's related to x weekly. Um, but he said that um
He he said oh he kind of played it off right like oh really oh shocks really me vp
Well, you never know right so he didn't say categorically no freaking way i'm never doing this. So I think he is
eyeing some kind of a political move in the future
Um vp, I don't know. Um, I
The world would be in a whole lot of trouble. I think he's very convincing when he talks, uh to a great lot of people
I agree we have um ed ed krasenstein. What would you say about a tucker carlson vp position?
Would that just make every part of your body cringe?
On the left or do you support that?
I mean, I don't think anybody on the left is gonna like anybody who trump takes his vp unless it's a democrat, right?
So I mean right he'll he'll have joe biden
But but I I think he's gonna pick
and b I think is gonna be somebody who's gonna be
An individual who will go along with whatever he says
We saw how he got mad at mike pence for not following his plan when it came to
The electoral college counting in the in the uh senate
so I I think it's gonna be somebody who like a jim jordan or a um
Marjorie taylor green somebody who is
Okay, you said you think it'll be a woman and then you you floated jim jordan and uh, margery taylor green
I'd say a 75 chance it's a woman and but I think it's going to be a hundred percent chance
It's going to be somebody who's going to be a hundred percent loyal to him
So, you know like if it's not a woman I could see somebody like a jim jordan or I don't think tucker carlson would fit into that
Especially given some of the things that tucker has said about trump in the past
Yes, but he sort of um danced around that and walked back a little bit I think that people don't see
Tucker carlson for the things that for the negative things that he said about trump in the past
A hundred percent. I think at first there was like an attack on him because of that and then he
He he really effectively walked it back. I think people have completely forgiven him for the most part for it
Tucker is too strong of a personality too. Trump doesn't want that he wants somebody who will
You know be okay being second in line to him and I don't see tucker as somebody like that
Well, do you see for example, you said margery taylor green
She's quite outspoken. Do you really see?
Marge taking a back seat to donald trump
Yeah, I do. I think he I mean she's she basically
Tosed trump's line like he everything he says that
She's going to agree with right? So I think that's somebody that he wants
And she's only a congresswoman. She doesn't have like a she's not a senator. She doesn't have any other
Experience really outside of that
So I think he'll do that and we'll take a congress somebody in congress
Somebody who isn't maybe perhaps isn't in congress even like um
I don't know. Like I I just think it's gonna be a woman and it's gonna be somebody who's a yes person
You know, if it's margery taylor green, do you think she let us use her space?
I mean is she gonna steal everybody's space lasers?
Well, that would be the greatest part about her being the vice president
She would have her finger on the space laser button and you know, frankly, I could support that but on a serious note
John mccain tried this he tried
He got a woman, you know, it was sarah palin
She was not the best woman for the job because john mccain was a statesman. She was not necessarily a statesman and she
So do you think that this could be a sarah palin backfire if he chooses a woman for the sake of choosing a woman?
Yeah, if he doesn't choose the right woman
But I I think he's gonna I think he's gonna pick somebody that most of his supporters already know and somebody who they support
Whereas a sarah palin was somebody who was kind of an unknown. She was a governor in alaska
But nobody really nobody really knew her
She wasn't really that heard of like when when he announced i'm taking sarah palin as my running mate people were like who's that?
That's not going to happen. I don't think with trump
That was that was the case and then she just she created more chaos than was intended and she was
She was supposed to be this
This his right hand woman and sort of be the token woman he was running against obama
And we don't have that with donald trump
He could pretty much pick, you know a vase in his house to be the running mate or to be his uh, vice president
Everybody would at least on the republican party. I think many of them would support it
It doesn't matter who he picks. I don't think he has to pick a woman
Um, I think it would be smart
But I don't think he has to do you think he has to at this point?
I think it's just a smart move because that's where he struggles a lot. He struggles a lot with a women vote
So I think picking a woman's going to help him in that area
Are you saying that women vote for other women? Is that what you're saying?
I I do think that women have a tendency to support other women. I think that I think have you
I was just gonna say have you are you new around these spaces things? Let me explain spaces to you and
Catherine and I um do not get along in spaces
We are on the opposite end of everything even when she supports something I then stop supporting it
Because as a woman I cannot support anything that's that woman. That's right. Sarah is a hardcore republican now
Uh, if it's okay with adrian, um, I did want to skip to something and ed. This isn't a gotcha
It's just because you're here and this has been a topic for the last 24 hours. Adrienne
Are you okay if we switch real fast?
You know adrian is the host and two ladies have taken over which just shows that women should rule the world
Thank you. Adrian. Well, isn't there a song women who reads the world?
This going differently I thought everyone would come off mic and just right, you know go long. Okay, never mind
24 hours, um since we are here to talk about x news as well
Demonetization of a very large account. Um dom
um, he has been demonetized he's um done spaces and
Listening to the replay of that space um for at least a short period of time
He believes that there's a coordinated attack
with community notes, um that there are accounts that are
Coordinating with community notes and you and brian he believes are two of those accounts
Do you think that community notes can be perverted?
One and two. Do you think that an account should be demonetized based on community noting?
That's a good question. So he thinks first of all, I gotta ask you a question. He thinks that we are
Somehow gaming the community note system. Is that what you said?
Well, he there there was only a short segment in his couple hour space where he did mention the krasim signs
And he did I don't even think brian has the community notes account
But I do but is it only you or does brian have an account?
But I haven't I probably have I don't think I've community noted anything probably for the last
I don't know maybe a month and a half or so
He also suggested he change his last name on
On his account to your last name and become the third brother
I mean that makes sense. I mean who doesn't want to be the third brother, but he can't i'm with the triplet
I'm the krasimstein triplet. He can't he's always going to be a third real. I'll be honest with you
Well, you know to be serious though, ed. That's a that's a pretty
lofty accusation to say that one you have the poll you and brian have such amazing poll with x
You can in fact change policy. In fact, I I believe that he stated
That either you or brian had suggested in a post that community people that are community noted should be demonetized
And then a few days later elon comes out with
Community people that are community noted that post will be demonetized and he equated that to your posts
Yeah, and I I do I think that is the perfect solution. I I think so. Let me correct. Let me
Make a few changes to that statement
So I believe that if your community noted and it's not just for additional content
If it's just if it's because your post is factually incorrect and the community notes
Say that it's factually incorrect. I think that individual posts should be demonetized
Now that doesn't mean I think that the entire account should be demonetized and it doesn't mean I think if somebody adds
Context to your post because you didn't tell the entire story. I don't think you should be demonetized for that
But if I if you're putting out false information that is provably false
I do think it should be demonetized and I don't think any advertisers want to advertise on that content
As far as us having pool. No, I mean
I mean i'm sure elon reads our post and if he likes an idea or if the x team likes an idea
I'm sure they might talk about it and be like, oh you think this would could work
And maybe they'll implement it. I mean that that's awesome if they took my advice, but
It's not like I have any pool. So basically
So basically you'd be proposing say
Categories for types of community notes ones which are just basically context where it says here
Context and then actually just false information where it says here this post is full of shit
Right. So you so you're proposing that basically there should be different types of uh, like different categories for this like one
Say for instance if your post is full of nonsense, then it should be demonetized
But if it's not and it just needs extra context then it stays monetized. Is that correct?
Yeah, and there's already categories if you go to community, you know post you can say
additional context or you can say
Factually incorrect. So I mean the I think the system's already there for that. They do. I think they're they have to make sure that
People don't mislabel stuff. So I think the individuals who are voting on the community notes. They should also have to select if it's
Misinformation or if it's just missing context as well
Isn't any community note on a post demonetized that's how I
I believe it. Yeah, I believe it is and I I responded when elon made that post
Saying that this was coming soon or when he's announced that it was in effect. I said
Replied or I made a post myself and I said that I think if it's just has added context
It shouldn't be demonetized
But if it's misinformation, it should but I I don't think they change it
I think it's still just any community note gets demonetized
It was also suggested and I don't think it was suggested by dom
In his space by another user that you and brian are the
One of the top three so you're in the top three
People on x and the reason why is because of your very close relationship with you
That's like such a ridiculous statement because
The last two week period I made four hundred dollars
I think dom made like fifteen thousand. Yeah
Like I don't make I'm not making I haven't been making that much like in the very beginning
But then like the algorithms changed and like we're not like I don't tweet just to make money like it's
For I think I got 400 the last two week period. I think brian had like 700 before that. It was like 1200 and like
2000 I think but I think so you're not making 20 you're not making 20 30 000
No, definitely not. No, okay. No
Can we just agree that basically I think this is just cloud chase and a means by which you can get more advertising revenue
Now listen, i'll disagree with you on that just a moment. That's a hot take but i'll disagree with you on that because if
Dom is making 15 grand every two weeks and suddenly that revenue stream is taken away
That is a huge blow financially. It would be it would be hard for anyone
If you have sort of put your eggs all in x's basket
Yeah, but the thing is the thing is this is why I think community notes should be demonetized because dom posts so much misinformation
He posts misinformation just to get the huge
Retweets and the huge I mean you look at some of his posts that
Are community noted and they have like five million views?
Whereas, you know somebody who's posting
Stuff that's not misinformation. It's not going to get that much
Get that much traffic to their posts because it doesn't spread like it doesn't go viral as much because it's
But if you post a make a post that is something nobody else is talking about
Because it's misinformation. Nobody else is talking about it
Then you're going to get a lot of it's going to go viral because people are going to share it who think it's true
So I mean that's why he's probably making so much because he posts so much misinformation and I you know dom
I think he's an interesting character, but he was
Suspended from twitter. I think what was like six months ago and brian and I were actually the first people to
Make posts saying that we think he should not be suspended
We didn't think what he did was worthy of his suspension
So I mean I don't have a problem with the guy i'm just saying what why I think he's making money and i'm saying
Why I think he was demonetized if an advertiser doesn't want to advertise with you because you're posting misinformation
That's their free speech. Just so that gives your free speech to post that misinformation
And and elon did make a post to that, you know, specifically responding to dom saying, you know
If advertise if you can find some advertisers who would want to advertise on your content
Then please let us know. But you know, I think that was his somewhat polite way of saying
But but I think ultimately saying well advertisers are not particularly keen on
Posting ads on these accounts even with smaller accounts. You can see there's such a disparity in payouts
Like I know many accounts
That have fewer followers that make more or similar amounts to say my account
Um, there is you know advertisers are talking about me katherine
Yeah, I was talking about you. Um
But it's it's just something that's sort of interesting to me because I imagine it has to do with content and some content is more
Relevant and more advertiser friendly than others. He elon even posted for example war content
I think that was even a response to one of my tweets, but war content is not popular with advertisers fair enough
I understand it's not going to change what I tweeted or how I tweet but
But I can also understand that that's not going to do well with you know advertisers
And that's and I think that's the advertisers rights to do that because they're paying money
And and they want their brand is being associated with happy things. They don't want to be associated with
Conspiracies or really disgusting vile things and that's I think
As ed said it is a type of freedom of speech, too
Right freedom of association is is a is a very big component to this and we can't take that away
But what i've noticed with a lot of accounts
They think that and I made a tweet about this before the space started
But i'm just hearing like a lot of people complaining that they're being targeted for their views
And the thing is i'm privy to a lot of different views all over the spectrum both
Politically, but also, you know, some of the more controversial topics these days
Particularly war related topics and i'm very well aware of many accounts experiencing issues
My account is experiencing issues, but also other people's accounts where they had, you know, clearly been
Mass-targeted people who had their tweets reported and that doesn't seem to be look
I don't have people seem to think that they have the data the statistical data
And i'm then they don't and nor do I but based on just a wide sample of looking at different accounts
You can see that it's happening on on on all sorts of sites. It seems to have far more to do with
Algorithms maybe change a shift in the algorithms, which was announced a while ago
Maybe we're just experiencing now
And the other part of it is, you know, yeah, like some content is just not advertiser friendly
No matter what side for example on the war discourse you're in
Um, you know you're posting graphic videos or you're or you're posting disinformation or you're just
Um advertisers are not going to be like flooding your your accounts. So that's just that's just like normal
Um, I mean it's not I think there's definitely some issues going on and I think we need more transparency
But I think this kind of approach of like i'm just being targeted for my views. It's not really supported by evidence
It's not supported by data. And uh, you know, and as we see I think people were assuming that ed was making
You know thousands and thousands of dollars, but tom was clearly making more
But where I think dom has a strong point
You know if he's not being full if there isn't like a full transparency
And it's the same thing with some of the other accounts. I might hate those accounts, but they deserve some sort of
Transparency as to why they were deep boosted or why they they had their accounts, you know
Flagged or anything like that. That should be happening as a standard for everybody
And my feelings have nothing to do with that
I don't know sarah if you wanted to respond and I know we have a hand up I do and then we'll go to
You know, I think dom's issue
basically boils down to nobody told him that on
The date that ad rev was paid out that he would be removed from monetization
And that he was monetized all the way up until a certain until that date and he feels as though
X owes him for the time that he was monetized
Now as a private company and they can do what they want
But i'll ask you ad do you think that he has a that his issue is real that?
Hey, look, I was monetized all the way up until ad rev payment
Now i'm demonetized and I don't know why what do you think?
So so what's the what's the question particular? Like what are you asking?
Well, do you think that that he should be paid for the time that he was monetized in those two weeks?
I did because he says so if it showed in
Go ahead go ahead. No, he just said that his monetization was stopped on the day that
Ad rev was coming out the payment was coming up
So I think that if it showed in his account that he earned that amount of money for that two-week period
I think he should be paid for that
I don't I haven't seen evidence that he wasn't paid for something that
In which they said he earned a certain amount of money
If that is the case, I think that's wrong. I think if they said that he earned
You know fifteen thousand dollars for pay period january 5th through january 19th
Then I think that he should be paid that
He used some interest with though he in one of his tweets
He said you've used my name image and likeness elon now pay me and the thing is this isn't an nyl deal
This is a specific program that ad revenue share and the money is intended to drive
Particular behavior that x and elon wants to see so instead of tweeting
He should be taking some personal responsibility and asking okay
What problem what post did you have a problem with is there a path forward? What behavior do you want to see?
What do you want to drive? But instead it's all just where is my money?
So I I just posted I just made a post on my profile. I showed the last six pay periods where I earn money
I was gonna say there you go
You did send me a screenshot and I will say
Um add that it dropped my jaw
Because I it sort of deflates. Well, it does deflate the narrative that you are one of the top three
But I almost made as much money as you and I don't get nearly your reach
Do you think that there's a problem somewhere along the lines of?
Of how ad rev is paid if I a small account you have a million followers
I i'm a baby fish and I made almost as much as you did on several of those months
I you know, I don't know. I don't know what the issue is
I I think maybe certain posts like on certain topics or demonetized. I know a lot of the posts about
Israel and hamas. I know that a lot of those have been demonetized
X keeps changing it. So I used to try and track it to like figure out like
What's being demonetized and what's not I haven't been following it as much lately
but I think maybe certain political things are being demonetized and
most of my posts are political so
It I think it depends on advertisers
Advertisers saying, you know, we don't want to advertise on accounts that do this or that or post about this topic or that topic
I think x is going to make an adjustment to that. So
I don't worry about it. You know, like I I hope sarah. I hope you make more than me. I i'd be happy for you
I'm not going to you know, I I know I talk to several other big accounts
And they're making like between five and ten times more than I am
So I don't know. I don't know what it is. Do they have your numbers? Are they comparable to you in numbers?
yes, like accounts that are comparable, but
I'm sure there's plenty that are probably making less than me too. So I mean, I don't want to get into the
ins and outs of like what the reasons are because I simply don't know it and
I I do think x should be transparent about it
I'd like like to see like okay posts about this are not being
Monetized currently posts about this will be like I think clarity would definitely be good
But at the same time they give that clarity
I think people are just going to change their posts just to make money and I don't know if that's good for x either
Yeah, i've i've posted my
Which is it was like like 111 dollars. It was funny too because I was being accused of you know
I'm promoting x because they get paid from it and I don't know this nonsense
It's it's interesting to see how there is such a
but and and kind of as ed was mentioning it's quite interesting how
If you if if they were more transparent on some things like okay
These posts get you know if you post about I don't know the latest fashion and taylor swift
You get payouts, but if you post about you know laundry detergent you don't
um, it's something that would
Definitely change people's behaviors and we saw that happen as soon as as the platform was monetized
I think it drove a lot of this kind of behavior clickbaity content way way up
And then I feel like it's settled down a little bit because I think there's only so much people can
Some people can keep up some people are keeping up the clickbait a hundred percent, but
um, it's it's really tough I think to find that balance where
Just post whatever you're really feeling and thinking
You know, you're still getting some level of profit because if you're investing time into the platform
I noticed with me when I for a while I was posting long form
Uh posts and they started doing pretty well people were reading them. I mean those weren't necessarily all going viral or anything like that
And but I think that encouraged
You know more thoughtful kinds of content on the platform and now i'm actually seeing long form not do very well
Unfortunately, it does pretty terribly and in general. I have noticed a massive throttling
I have also noticed for me in my account
Um, for example follower growth was uh throttles because I can I know what my account behaves like when it's doing
And then I know that it's it's sort of lately
It's been like a whole bunch of followers get removed and then some
Add then it removes again then add and it kind of seems to stay in a holding pattern
But again people sort of attribute that I think to melis and I really think it has far more to do with
But where I do think twitter needs to x needs to do better is is giving people transparency on hey
This is why posts have been removed, you know, this is why your count is throttled or your count is throttled
You're not just gaslighting yourself, you know
Um, but back to you sarah
You know, it's it's curious because you know
And you made that post you were quite transparent
When people i'm waiting to see the posts
Um for people saying that you've manipulated your numbers you are making
50 000 every two weeks, um, that was a number that's been floated out
Between you and brian you're bringing home 200 000 a month
And by those numbers, it's just not the case
Um, I find it curious that none of us quite know how it works
We do see the ads I see ads on every one of your posts ed every single post that you do
Even on some of your controversial posts on israel. I still see the ads
I'm wondering though if those particular ads that are popping up in those posts maybe don't pay as much
So I I do know I don't I haven't checked out the ad system lately where you can
Go back like you're placing an ad and see how the system works
But I do know they were planning to roll out different levels of ads like where some advertiser could advertise for
Super liberally meaning like my ad show on everything where you can be super conservative in your ads or any show and stuff. That's
Basically guaranteed not to be controversial guaranteed not to have violence guaranteed not to have any adult content
So maybe you know, maybe i'm one of the flagged accounts where like he posts some stuff that could be controversial or you know
Political sometimes so let's put this in a medium ad section
So he won't get paid the high dollar ads only get the pay the medium dollar ads and maybe somebody who posts like super controversial like
Hamas war stuff maybe they're in the only getting paid for the super liberal ads
I don't know because I haven't really checked the system
But I know that that's what the plan of that x had in place was several months ago where you know
Different advertisers could select different options
But just to shift just a little bit
Such as pro-palestinian accounts like solemn on a med
His account was locked and he was I believe able to get back into it. His account was locked
And I think that his side believed it was because he's a pro-palestine account
Do you think and and I know you've been very critical publicly of solemn on
Do you think that accounts like his should be?
demonetized deboosted or locked or do you do you really believe that?
This platform should be free speech and he should be able to to come out and say what he wants and um advertisers be damned
I I think it should be a post by post basis not an account by account basis
So like, you know, he he posts a lot of graphic stuff post a lot of
It videos and images of children who are dead laying there on the ground dead
I don't think that should show ads
And I don't think that should be monetized
And if it does show ads, I'm pretty sure those advertisers don't want their ads on that content
So it probably shouldn't be monetized anyway, but if he's making a post, you know, I had
Fried chicken for dinner. I there's no reason why that should be demonetized, right?
So you think that it's it's based on his particular brand of content
And that's why he's being locked or not being I don't know why I'm just locked out
I think I don't know what the reason was he is locked out. I'm guessing maybe he was first posting sensitive content
I don't maybe hate speech. I don't know like i'm just guessing
a lot of his posts are very in uh, very
Kind of you know, like as as ed mentioned, you know, there is a lot of sensitive content
So most likely the reason for it is you know
Might have gone a step beyond people probably did report it or ai flagged it. It could be either one
I mean his account has a lot of eyeballs
And um, and a lot of times like the reason some content
Gets removed over other content. It's just how many people have seen it and therefore reported it
Because it was it was to you know, it violated some sort of guideline
He should have gotten you know, in my view he should have gotten some kind of uh
A notice as to what that i'm sure he knows which post it is because x does tell you
But you know, it would be good if it kind of indicated which violation he had made
And and had that transparency
But it's something that you know happens on absolutely all sides of this conflict
So it's it's not unique to his account at all
It's just I think a lot of people are making it out
As if they're the ones who are being targeted and I understand why somebody might feel that way
But it's it's not necessarily true
And um, but it's he should have the you know
He should certainly have the clarification and I agree with ed about it being post by post basis
You know elon made a made a reply to
Dom saying, you know get your own advertisers. Well how
Realistically, how does that work? So say I I go out and I find an advertiser
That does want to support my content say it's you know
We'll just say it's crass and cast say ed and brian are going to
Start running ads and they want to support my content. Well, how how would one even go about that?
How would we enter into a deal through x where i'm going to get paid through x's monetization platform?
It doesn't make sense to me
Go ahead miley, but it does not make sense to me his reply when I couldn't even figure out
How logistically that would work now ed you've said that you've played around with the ads, you know
Possibly with your crass and cast could we enter into a deal?
Hey, you're gonna pay me a hundred bucks a month because you like my content
How do you do that through x and then i'll go to you
I don't think that's an option yet
I do know that they talked about that and I do know you can
You can pick like certain categories and I think I believe you can
Pick who you don't want your ads to show on. I don't maybe somebody can correct me
But I don't think you can select an individual to advertise with yet, but I could be wrong
And yet that was elon's reply to him which I thought
Well, I think honestly, I do think he was being somewhat disingenuous in that reply
I mean, yes, he can direct he can direct
Don can direct potential advertisers to the twitter ad team and they can advertise on his account
I mean, I guess it could happen, but I don't think I think it was really his way of saying
Advertisers don't want to put post their ads on your posts
I mean, we have a historical example of this and I hate to bring up this word
But this kind of happened on clubhouse the social audio app before spaces and at one point they were like if you want
Advertisers you have to first bring them to us. You can't just run a space and sponsor it by I don't know I hop
Bring it to us, but what happened was clubhouse then took those opportunities for themselves assigned them
Maybe maybe I bring them I hop they'd assign it to another creator
Or they wouldn't assign it at all more often is the case and they just completely dropped the ball
So it just it gets really messy
Like dom could bring in don dish soap and elon could be like oh great
We're gonna run with don and we're gonna assign it to brian and ed. Thank you dom
Like messy stuff like that happened on clubhouse, so I don't know how they would handle it here
But I just see it being so messy also really quick in dom's defense
I don't love that elon was saying bring advertisers to us. I don't think that's any account holders responsibility
So don't love that but hey, I get it. I think elon was just frustrated and also
Clearly he's frustrated. He
He's the behavior. He wants to drive isn't what's being driven
So he had to demonetize community noted posts
He's had obviously this thing issue with dom went all the way to elon
Um dom was such an outlier that it crossed elon's desk
And so I would just caution anybody else don't be such a far outlier
I don't want to cross elon's desk
I want to cross elon's desk. She wants to be on elon's desk
You can believe me if you want to or not
You know when ad rev share when it first came out
We were many of us were on ed and brian's space
When it came out and these numbers started coming out and I was you know refreshing every 36 seconds like
Where's my 20 grand, you know?
And and then it it did all out of many of us. It turned us into monsters
I even went as far and it was so funny. I put into chat gpt write me a post about whatever political
Um situation was happening at the time in the style of ed and brian krasenstein and it came up with something
I don't know if you remember ed, but I shared it with you guys and it was so funny
But guess what it got like 11 likes
And maybe a hundred views so clearly their formulary does not translate to everyone
It didn't translate to me, but had that worked I would have done it every single time
Every time I would be making millions i'd be hosting spaces about how I make millions
Yeah, you'll see see the thing is it's not just about that though
It's about how many followers you have too
So like if you made a post from my account
You would get you'd probably go just as viral as some of some of my posts just because of the amount of followers I have
Well, I mean I got some of the same like hate kind of that katherine mentioned earlier that people are like
Oh you're bought by x because you're getting x ad rev share
So i'm just giving mine away now like i'm just gonna do posts and give it away
Because I don't even really want it. So i'll just give it back to the community
Well, i'm keeping it i'm keeping it you can't take it
I need to keep it for my botox sessions. Uh, sarah knows well
Yeah, so we've got an iphone because i've been criticized for not having an iphone because apparently i'm on the in the pours class
You know no judgment i'm sure
Let's not focus on me. Okay, speaking of
Speaking of of people who probably own iphones, um, we have lucas with his hand up and lucas
Um, it has worked in marketing for sony atari and others and um
He has i'm sure some thoughts on the from the advertising side of things
And so lucas, what are your thoughts? Yeah, thanks for having me up here. Hey, adrian. How's it going?
Ed always a pleasure my friend. Uh, miley always a pleasure as well
Yeah, i'm coming up because you guys were talking about like what am I dead to you lucas?
I'm the one that brought you up. Oh, sorry. I didn't know I don't know who brought me all about me
I appreciate you guys bringing me up. I appreciate it. Bring me up. So yeah, i've uh, I before I worked at any of those companies. I also
Ran one of the biggest ad networks in the world
And sold it we helped sell it for 580 million dollars
So it's like I know everything there is to know about basically ad tech and I know how twitter's ad tech works
So the reason why you guys are I wouldn't say anybody's like
Personally getting demonetized, but wouldn't you post about things?
That are kind of like hot topics, especially during a um
Campaign cycle like 2024 is like an election year
They're going to they're going to like ed was saying like you're going to demonetize certain posts that are a little bit spicy takes
Regardless if it's very far to the left or very far to the right as long as it's like an extreme view
It's going to be demonetized because they're going to they're going to like do that because they're trying to make
No matter how much you on says f off and all that other stuff at the end of the day
He does need advertisers to pay the bills. Otherwise twitter. Sorry x
Basically goes out of business eventually or he just keeps paying it out of his own
You know, basically his own savings, which is you know stock in
SpaceX and and uh, of course tesla
So he needs advertisers at the end of the day
So when you guys post things that are politically charged or like, you know that have people
Going a little crazy regardless of what side of the fence it's on
They're gonna you're gonna get paid less for stuff like that or not paid at all because they're
What's called remnant versus premium impressions?
And the only thing the only thing that's like that separates those two
Is that how many advertisers you have in the pipeline that are willing to advertise?
Against certain amount of impressions per day or per hour
right, um, so I don't want to get too technical, but if you have like five advertisers in here that are
If you have five advertisers in here that are saying hey, I don't mind advertising against
political stuff during a campaign cycle
Then after they they fulfill their impression needs for the day
You will not see ads from those advertisers anymore on any of your posts, which means
Some of the stuff they say or you guys say will be demonetized or it's not demonetized
There's just what's called ad filters. And if you guys cross in this like certain type of category
They'll say hey, I only want a certain amount of impressions from these type of
Categories and then that's it. They're gone
No more impressions, which means no more ad dollars
Politics is one of those hot mods
Especially like I said during a campaign year that it's going to be like not have ads run against it as much
You guys said something about like elan getting your own advertisers
He means by getting your own advertisers going to get sponsors to sponsor you guys
You you need to go out and get your own third party sponsors and write your own contracts for these sponsorships
And then you get a hundred percent of the sponsorships. You don't have to share any revenue with with twitter at all
Um, you know, I have sponsors for some of my content
I and i'm sure lots of other people have sponsors and it's actually a lot easier than you think if you actually own a category
You have over a hundred thousand followers. You can reach out to certain sponsors
But the problem is there's a lot of people
Um advertisers i'm speaking about that will not sponsor cpm wise
Or cpc, which is basically cost per thousand or cost per click
Against political advertising as well. It's a little bit of a hot button. A lot of people don't want to do that
What you can get and what I think
The twitter, you know, basically the tech team. Hopefully they're building this in the background, which is a performance advertising
Business as well, which means if they if they'll run ads
Your content and only when people convert on those ads
Let's just say you're they run like a mattress ad against your content and someone buys
A mattress from one of your ads that ran against one of your tweets
They will give you a percentage cut because you're a creator
On twitter and they'll say okay, we sold a thousand dollar mattress
Great, but you know the cpa on that thousand dollar mattresses, you know, uh, let's just say it's uh
I don't even know what kind of mattress right now, but let's just say it's mattress x
And they they're uh, they're paying out 200 cost per acquisition
For every to twitter for every for every mattress sold
They then will split that 200 with a creator, right and they'll say all right every 200 that comes in
Let's give the creator 30 of that 200 or 10 percent or whatever their split is
It's not going to be 50 50 like it is on twitter right now for a cpm or cpc campaign
So just so you know, like if they do build that
That's what it will be paid out with like you're not going to get paid on impressions
you'll get paid on an acquisition or or a
Conversion of a sale and that conversion will be obviously it's going to be less than usually a conversion happens between
Uh half a percent all the way up to three percent conversion rates, which are amazing three percent conversion rates because you know again
Cpa is a little bit different. So i'd recommend, you know trying to put a package together for you guys as a brand
You know some partnerships some sponsorships that you can then be sponsored for your spaces or sponsored for your tweets
Whatever it is, but just so you know those sponsors are going to be hard to get
Because just like elon musk's team at twitter that are doing ad sales
They're you're going to have to
They're going to want certain things and they're going to want you to not tweet about certain things and not say certain things
And if you if you do say those things they will cancel the contract with you
That's how advertisers work. They don't want to be
Tied to anything politically charged unless
not a political product like a vpn
or like some kind of like gambling or
I don't know what else like there are certain categories that they don't really care how you get sales as long as you get sales for them
And that's a lot of there's lead gen, you know, there's all sorts of different categories that are out there that fall into these
They don't care as long as you get results
So lucas, let me ask you that this question from the perspective of someone is in the advertising side of things
So, you know that's understandable that advertisers would not want to be associated with certain kinds of posts
Um, um, so they might choose not to participate. However on a platform like this, you know
Sort of vying to be at least if not free speech, you know free your speech. Let's just say
There's definitely things on here that one might find disturbing or not want to associate with your product
You know, do you think it affects even if advertisers aren't advertising with um
An account that posts that kind of content
Are they worried about being on a platform overall that has that kind of a hundred percent? Yes
I I can tell you and I i've worked with
Literally the top fortune 500 i've worked with the top fortune 1000 companies
They all care all of them even the vpn companies or the companies that care about just getting results
They don't want to be caught up in any kind of like crazy stuff either
Like it eventually does hurt them right at the end of the day you build a brand
And if it's not a brand that you're trying to like ramp up quickly in 24 or 36 months and try to sell it really quickly to
A competitor or to another company that wants to enter a space that you're trying to build something for
If you're actually trying to build a brand or you have a brand that you want to protect they don't they don't want to be
On a space like this, especially when you don't have like certain fraud filters in place or or filters in general where it protects their brand
Brand protection is a big deal
When you're building a company that you want to like exit or make any kind of like business long-term for you don't want to be part
Of any scandals or anything like that and when you have
So many eyeballs on a platform like this that are looking for those indiscretions, too
Don't forget it's not just that you're on x and there's like a lot of crazy things that happen on this platform
because there's a lot of crazy things that happen on a lot of platforms, but
Here there's a shit load of eyeballs that are not only just like
Watching for that they're watching to report that don't forget. There's like a lot of like, you know hallway monitors
For better for lack of a better term
You know, oh no running in the hallway like who like those people none of them
But guess what they're all here whether you like it or not left or right leaning people
Are all on this space waiting for someone to slip up a brands
Or twitter to slip sorry x to slip up and run an ad against some kind of like questionable material
And even if they don't run an ad which they do they they have really bad filters in place right now
Their ad tech sucks because there wasn't focused on
What they did back in the day before elon took it over was they just blocked everybody they didn't like
So it was really easy for them to not run ads against
Like questionable material. They just blocked everybody they banned. Can I can I ask you though?
do you think that that for
Advertisers that x is a kind of a dangerous game to play because for example
Um, lots of his almost all of his posts have ads on them
But but you but people are unpredictable, right?
So for example, if um, if you're we'll say sony wants is advertising under ed
They like his content. They see that he's consistent
But he may have an opinion
So where maybe he says, you know, sony is the worst company you should never purchase anything from them
You don't know that he's going to say that
And therefore is it a dangerous game that advertisers play? Is it a gamble? Is it a risk?
And how is how is x any worse or any better than say rumble or youtube?
Where again, you don't know what people are going to say
Yeah, so you don't put rumble and youtube in the same category. They're like so far apart from each other
But so I would say for sure there's no doubt brands are scared to death of x right now because
It feels like there are no
Protections there are no guardrails in any way on here. That's just i'm letting you know what the perception is
It doesn't mean it's true. That's just what perception is and when there is any questionable thing like imagine you're the head of marketing, right?
And you are in charge of a budget
You are first off. They're not targeting you they're not targeting ed. They're not targeting targeting a personal like a person on twitter
because twitter doesn't sell
Profiles to people they sell
Categories and filter sets to people they go. Hey, we're gonna run you against
The entire network and the the the answer is always think of it like this advertisers come on to twitter
Let's just say they come on. Sorry. I said twitter x
advertisers come on to x and they don't they what they do is they use filter sets to reduce their ability to advertise across
Everybody on twitter your information is anonymous to every every advertiser on twitter
They are just saying they're opting out of
Running against politically charged content. That's what they're doing. So
Would advertisers want to advertise on accounts that where they choose the accounts
No, no, no advertiser. Nobody in charge of marketing. I can tell you from my point of view
I sure as shit would want nothing to do with that. I don't want to choose twitter accounts to do that
If I did I would pay for an influencer campaign, which which twitter facebook meta, whatever you want to call it
directly work with influencers most of the time
they because then they would be basically having a little bit of um
They would be basically picking winners off their own social networks and they don't want to be seen doing that
So they actually work with third parties like my company social proof that actually does that with influencers?
So they work with us. They'll hand us some like
Campaigns third third party campaigns from brands because they know we're brand safe. They know we're not going to work with
influential people that in any way shape or form we're going to say anything that would damage the brand we actually use AI to crawl back
Years of their content to make sure that they're even brand safe
So like it's it's like an extra safety precaution that in a way
Nobody actually has right now than we do but I don't want to make this a marketing thing about me
I want to make this a like answers about this which is when an advert when an advertiser comes on to a platform at all
When twitter selling advertising on here, they're trying to sell to as many impressions and as many
Accounts as they possibly can on twitter
And what the advertisers are saying is hey, how do I get the audience i'm looking for?
Because twitter wants the most amount of money from whoever right that's coming on and they want the most amount of people to run against
The advertisers the one who limits all of that and says I don't want to run against
x y and z which then filters out all the accounts that are anonymously
Average or posting about stuff like that. So they basically say I don't want to talk about this that and the other
I don't want to talk about politics. I don't want to talk about
Let me ask you this like because um, it's understandable that there is you know
In terms of branding it can absolutely hurt the brand to be seen next to a particular kind of tweet because just
But has that some is that something that you see in terms of tracking that and i'm sure you have
You know, do you see that as for example if if a brand?
Um had an ad show up next to a questionable tweet or an account. Have you seen a real world impact that was measurable?
Oh, yeah, no doubt about it. And i've also pulled
50 million 20 million 30 million dollar campaigns from platforms
Because it turned up against other things, right and the the um company that I used to run traffic marketplace
That we sold for a lot of money that that company was also
Caught running ads sometimes on bit torrent sites that were you know, basically
I don't know if you guys know what bit torrent sites are but there's sites where you can actually go download like
free movies like tv shows and uh movies and music and stuff like that
Like there are sites where you do searches like pirate bay where they have like so many ad impressions like so many like
I wouldn't say ad impressions, but so many impressions on the web
There's hundreds if not billions a day of impressions that happen on those sites
But nobody wants to run ads against them because none of those ads really perform very well because the people that are there
Aren't looking for ads. They're looking for free movies and tv shows and and songs, right?
So they don't really perform very well
But if an advertiser found their ads running against impressions, you know, basically running impressions on
Bit torrent sites they would know
They didn't want their ads run against those impressions because those sites were illegal or they were they were basically
Doing things that they didn't want so they would pull their ad budgets from traffic marketplace
We would lose, you know a million dollars 10 million dollar campaigns because they found their ads running against things
They didn't want run and that's like think about that. There was no swears
There was no like political takes there was nothing
They just they were just running we were just running ads which like again
I wasn't going to know about of course
But they were running ads against stuff. They didn't want to run ads against so just think if it gets even more
Like unique of like what you're talking about on social media
Like they especially don't want to run stuff against people's opinions
Because everybody has opinions, right at the end of the day. No one wants to even come close
But be seeing taking a side on the right or the left because these brands know
People on the right and the left are their customers regardless of their political stance
They don't want to be seen taking a stance
At all they don't want to say yes or no
And you saw what happened when nike did and you guys think like nike made a huge mistake and they didn't that's because
They were making most of their money
Overseas, they actually lost revenue in 2017 and 2018
And it's not because of their political stance. They actually gained revenue because they took a stand on the callen kaparinik stuff
They actually started growing revenue again because they they actually
Became relevant again in a way, I guess you could say because they were backing the right people
It's crazy that brands do take a stance like that
And I think nike is kind of like taking like taking a step back from taking a political stance moving forward
But it you know when you do that
It kind of like shows like when a brand does that and actually takes a political stance
Left or right regardless of what they do you see it has like ramifications like bud light's a perfect example
Look what happened to bud light, right? They took a stance by supporting an influencer. That was not what the
I guess you could say the red side
I'm only saying that just because like people in here might not know you know between the sides
But the red side didn't like and you saw bud light suffered by actually kind of like running a little low on time
So if you could like wrap this up a little bit
Yeah, sure. So that's the reason why it's like
Summarize like that brands don't want to take
risks running against things that are politically charged or
Questionably like facts. They they don't want to run against
Things and if twitter marks it as a non-fact or a questionable fact, they won't they don't want to run ads against that either
Well, I think that that you know
myself katherine and adrian
All advertisers should support us because we're so non-controversial katherine isn't not with her botox and everything
But um, i'm certainly not controversial with my dog pics and selfies and I am
1000% and this is for elon musk
Supported by ed and brian krasenstein if that helps
I will say one more very quick thing on the advertising front like um as a as a genuine reporter I did
I feel like I have to note that I did a report on
Some some I did some interviews with ad agencies
And one thing that I think is kind of interesting for for the audience maybe to know is that they
Do sort of create, um their target social media advertiser profiles
um and have certain criteria by which they measure just sort of the
Positivity let's say of the platform and they send those metrics over to these platforms
And they decide whether to advertise or not based on a whole slew of things including content
But also, you know how how the company is in terms of you know, do they tackle racism?
Do they are they environmentally friendly? So things like that
Um are also play a big part in terms of what advertisers choose to advertise on but um, uh, take it back sarah
I'm I think that you're lucky that community notes does not come into spaces and community note you as you speak
Calling yourself a real journalist. Um, we'll just let that slide community notes is not at this time community noting spaces
Um, but we'll take it. Let them try
We'll take we'll give it to adrian
We're gonna go with some tech news and then there's a couple of people and I don't know how much time you have
That have messaged me that want to ask you questions. They promise to be respectful
Um, are you willing to take a couple of questions?
Sure, no problem. Okay. Okay. We'll go to invite all the haters, please
All right, everyone. Let's have a little bit of a let's have a little bit of a reset
Tech news is coming up next before we do that though, please everybody like and repost the space
But before we do that as well, uh, we have this every single week
So I pinned up at the top the schedule for next week
So if you could like and repost that would be very good
Because we want more people to see that and if you want to if you can't ask questions this week
You could also ask them next week and potentially even throughout the week
Would even give me the answer because most of us are on space system. We're very active individuals on x myself
Of course, you know i'm on here practically every single hour
With some weird stuff in some capacity or another but I would like to uh shift it to wiggle real quick who's going to give us
An update on some tech news and other things on x take it away wiggle
Hey, thanks adrian. Yeah, there's so many news, um that it's hard to keep track of
Every day, uh, there are some novel discoveries announcements and breakthroughs
and the frequency of events seems to be
Accelerating with advent of ai and uh automation
So but i'll start with the market. Um, microsoft surpassed apple in the market tab a few times during the week
Um as most valuable company in the world now they're neck and neck
Um nvidia hit all time high again
um, and uh is now only 150 billion away from amazon's market cap, which is
Uh, yeah, like lots of nazda companies, uh hit all-time high last week. Um
indicates like booming market sentiment in greek territory
and yeah on the tech side, um
They like there's so much going on i'll just uh, like
The ones that I found most interesting
Uh, the new demo of optimus folding clothes, uh was uh
And yeah, it's very impressive compare in comparison to the last demo
Uh, like the very first demo it could barely walk they had to carry it on stage
But now it's standing and it's folding clothes. Uh, so
Um, I mean it was likely controlled, um, uh by remote operator
But elon said that they work relentlessly on um iterating on hands and hand sensitivity
They are now training it. So what I find most interesting though, is that um, they're like, uh training it
Rather than training it on factory floor in concealed environment
They're actually training it to do something much more general like laundry folding
Which indicates a broad set of applications, uh on the product roadmap
So the pace of innovation is truly astounding
There are also other news on robotics, uh, like bmw partnership with the figure one startup, which has its own, uh humanoid robot
And uh, we have scott on the panel who um, who will actually
He is dropping that video alongside the reaction video tomorrow and we'll be discussing that as well
Apple is launching its flagship product vision pro which supposed to revolutionize spatial computing
Pre-orders were sold out pretty quickly
Hopefully we'd be able to hear from him firsthand on his experience
but there are some memes, um
Online that it's a little bit heavy from the early testers and you have to like train your neck to wear it
But we'll see what the public says what what the consensus is
Yeah, so the google deep mind ran by demis has obvious which is google's ai division
Has created an ai system that can solve complex geometry problems called alpha geometry
It's a significant step forward
Ai with more like human reasoning skills
It can solve olympic level theorems
Which trained on mostly synthetic data
Compared to the text-based
This is significantly less
Um, um, there is like, um
training data for mathematics
Because it's simple and domain specific
And simple nature of it is purely based on formal logic and strict rules
It allows it to guide the language model towards rational decisions. So like much more human interactions and reasoning rational reasoning
Will likely come out of it
and uh, yeah, so what what what I find really interesting about it is that
Just like alpha fold which is google's ai solving over 200 billion. Sorry million
Protein structures, uh, it will be accessible to research and scientific community for free
so it's basically open source, uh, and uh, you know anyone with an interest in math and geometry would be able to
Use this powerful ea tools, um to identify and solve new areas in mathematics
which is basically the language of the universe and
you know with a ton of implications and applications in
AI reasoning as well as physics and space exploration
And yeah talking about space, uh spacex
Uh, um, and nasa launched a x3 mission with four astronauts including one from turkey
Uh, I think I believe it's the first time turkey sent someone in space
They successfully docked to international space station this morning
And there's like a ton of other news. Um, i'll briefly touch on tesla model y became
Um the best selling vehicle in europe and other countries
In 2023, um a year after announcement tesla finally broke ground
On the construction of the expansion plant in nivada
Where they will manufacture tesla semi-trucks disrupting, uh trucks, uh industry
And uh, yeah elan approved, uh j gintik
tesla AI data center, uh last friday
And uh, what's uh forward looking is uh on the wednesday. We have um tesla
earnings call and uh, we basically will hear
uh, like some updates from elan, uh to the company and
Yeah, the questions are actually open on say.com. So anyone any shareholder can uh
Like send their question and then based on the priority and how many shares you have you'd be able to
Uh have a chance to ask a question. So yeah, that's about it. I don't want to take too much of a time, but uh
Elaborate a little bit on the um on the on his interview. Uh, if there is time, otherwise
Yeah, I think that's uh pretty much it for me
I'm, sorry. What was that adrian? I said Scott go ahead
Can you hear me? Is my mic working properly this time? Yes. Yes, you're good. Go ahead
Okay. Well, yeah, i'm still a little bit embargoed because the um, the video has not dropped
But i'd say we start to get some of the first behind the scenes glimpses of
What's happening in the humanoid bought market?
And the interest that let's say are just also outside of bmw and tesla
To get an idea of what the potential of these markets are really going to be and that's what's going to be the importance of it
And that's what we're going to really break down tomorrow as I can get into more and more of the details
Scott did you actually interview the figure ceo?
Yes, uh herbert and I so, uh, herbert conducted the first half of the interview
Really talking about the commercial relationship with bmw
And the second half I did some more, you know technical questions about the robot itself
Uh, and I was furiously taking notes in the in the first half hour
because it was really kind of eye opening
And was filling in a lot of the blanks that we had in our own thesis about what the humanoid robot is going to look like
And really being able to see that, you know, just don't look
necessarily at uh, tesla optimus but to realize that it's a much larger market space out there
And the potential that's there and let's say the the interest that's out there that we are not aware of
That we have not seen is probably far more substantial than any of us are aware at this point
Good I look forward to seeing that
Um, did you I guess, uh, this interview was done prior to the ceo's, uh x account being hacked
Because I don't know if people noticed last night
Between acts he was hacked twice
Um, which was kind of unfortunate in that, you know, the first one kind of
Took advantage of his pre-announcement of the bmw
Announcement and um, it got hacked and then it got fixed and then the announcement happened and then a few hours last night
It happened and he caught that pretty quickly, but it still took x a long time to clean it up
And I guess this is kind of also a beef. I have um, I I pointed out today that
Going back in november. I started to get my very first
Um imposter accounts and reported them and then many of my followers did the same thing and they're still out there
You know and it's been reported. They haven't been cleaned up and I pointed out that in that same time period
SpaceX has launched over 22 rockets successfully
And you know, it's not rocket science or we are overestimating
The difficulty of rocket science because evidently getting rid of imposter accounts
Within two to three months is really really hard
It should be cleaned up and you know, the same thing was happening here is that his account was being hacked
And then the crypto scam was pretty much making it sound like
Um, if you want to get in on the action of figure
Um, then you just buy this crypto
And that will like probably give you shares or help you become part of you know
An owner of figure and you know, that's a real clever scam because a lot of people are trying to say wow
How can I get how can I get a piece of this action?
humanoid bots are going to be a really big market
And unfortunately, you know those those companies are being done through traditional venture capital and small investors can't get into it
So they are preying on these people who are realizing that there's huge potential out there and they want to become part of it
So I really think x has to clean that up. It's very very important for the legitimacy of of x
and also for a lot of us, um
You know creators and influencers because suddenly our names are being tarnished
That if x cannot clean it up, I am a verified user. These other bozos out there are not verified
Yeah, it should be relatively easy fix. I mean if you can basically here's the thing
I can take your image right now and I can put it into something like fucking google lens
And then you'll be able to see wherever that image has also turned up and you will see on x how many times that image has turned up
Right and you can tell if it's on another person's profile. Hey, something is a little bit wrong, right?
so if if a user can manually find this using
Then I don't understand how it is so difficult for x to like basically do this there should be something in place for that
But there really is not i'm not trashing the team and its efforts here given that the team largely doesn't exist anymore
Due to elon's ramp and firing of the existing team, which is basically using the platform as a backdoor sci-op
There's still a lot that needs to be fixed and I think it will be much more of a slow burn
I understand that elon kind of wants to do hyperscaling right now
We're looking at basically I think it's similar to the early days of tesla where right now
We're seeing the cars be built under the tents. It's not it's not optimal at all. It is actually very suboptimal
It's not going to prove for quite a while
So we're going to kind of have to rough it and tough it and I think it will be good community building exercise
As a matter of fact because if we know who's real and who's not real
Um, we'll be able to kind of like forge interesting relationships. Like hey, uh, there's an idiot out here
He's trying to show this trying to show that um, I have a few impersonators, but I literally pay them their mind
There's only one adrian and it's the most mimetic form of adrian and that's me right here and it doesn't even exist
So that's that's the funniest thing itself, right? So i'm irony incarnate
But with that, I think we should uh, I think sure kind of like move on because we do have limited time
uh, we're probably going to keep this going for say, I think 30 more minutes because there's a lot that needs to be discussed and
There's still quite a bit of drive and then we'll sign off and we'll be back again
It's a week, right? Yes. Yes. We have to leave them wanting more
More of me and you not brodsky
Um, but there's there's a gentleman. Um
I i'm assuming because of the eye
Um, mio mayo you dm to me. You said you had a question for
Um ad crossenstein. So ahead he said he's going to be really polite
So he said he was going to be polite, and you know, I almost didn't bring him up just for that
Well, i'll try my best. All right, i'll try my best
Okay, so thanks for bringing me up first off. I'm i'm really interested in a lot of these topics like, uh, you know tech news and
uh x news and I mean philosophy is important to me I had but
First I just got to ask the host is this
Anyone compared you to ewan musk said like maybe you're his alt account because you sound a lot like him every single day
All right, so it's not an original joke i'm sorry. Okay, well we can move on
Really and in fact you'll have to tune into the space last night where?
Adrienne and I did a call and I wasn't sure that he was not the real elon musk
And it was going to be I thought it was a video call
So I made myself all pretty just in case it was elon musk and maybe he wanted to take me to paris
For lunch or something that took hours by the way
So anyway, so thanks for bringing me up
Yeah, so I don't want to open up like I don't want to get a bad reputation with you guys right off the bat
But if I only have one question and i'll be brief it's uh, yeah for the krazen scene bros both of them. Um,
But I saw ed posted this morning his x revenue
All this time like he was if anyone thinks he's grifting, right?
and his brother was posting last night about
like uh, who they're keeping on and off the platform and it seems like there's the
A push and pull with elon and the advertisers on like controversial figures
They're they're keeping off or bringing on and how that's affecting the advertisers. I'm curious
the so what last night brian posted about
Nick flintes who's just banned under autumn grouper and he's not on the platform even though he's broken no laws
He was banned without reason if they say ban evasion
But that was from the over the old censorship. We have general amnesty now is what we were promised. So
I'm curious. He doesn't he's never advocated for violence
What are your thoughts on this? Should he be on the platform or not?
Uh, you know like I think
Took part in hate speech and that is one thing that x says that they will ban you for right
Well, like how like where's the hate speech especially on x is it
Is it anything you say anywhere you can get banned for for a hate speech or is it only on the platform?
and also what hates hate speech because
I don't see like a sighted. I don't know. I don't know if I don't know if he
Said stuff on x or not. Like I haven't followed him too much
I think that it should be based on
What you say on x like if he says something off of x I don't think he should be banned for that
Okay. All right. Well, that's fair
Maybe maybe brian knows more specifics since he made a post about him, but I think if if he says like, you know
Something about he I feel like the man's anti-semitic
I think if he says stuff like that on x I think he could be banned for that and I think he should be
Yeah, well, that's a that's a another thing is what what does anti-semitism mean exactly on x because it's a broad range of things
You know unlike a lot of other forms of uh discrimination, right?
Well, what specifically entails because it seems like what nicky haley said anti-zionism should be anti-semitism
According to the government and the military presumably x do you agree or disagree with that?
And where where does the line lie? I I think holocaust denial something he's done several times
I think that that should cross the line
I mean that's denying that six million jewish people were killed or murdered in cold blood. I think that's you know, that's hate speech
So it first off like uh straight up denial is this
Like has he done that on x I've never seen
Anything like that on the platform i've seen him to like say things like that
But it's i've seen him like like joking around he makes he plays around with the numbers. Maybe it's it's not good
Maybe it's distasteful. But again, it's this hate speech. Is this illegal?
Is this equivalent to a call for violence or breaking a law?
There's a whole lot of things that are allowed on x that we disagree with
Yeah, the smaller condition that's called violent event denial and it's a reportable offense
If it's done on x and and you know, I haven't seen
Well also targeted harassment for example would be under the the
conditions of terms of use and for example
That is something that this individual has done that i've I know people have been on the receiving end. So there is you know
Well, I mean I I don't want to
Yeah. Yeah, but but in terms of just generally if we're looking at you know at the policy for x and
You know certain kinds of speech. I know that elon has stated that if it's legal then it's here
But we but clearly there's still
Kinds of things that do you know anyways that should
Offenses that that have some repercussions. They actually don't always have any consequences a lot of times they don't but um
But in terms of hate speech in general, yeah, that's a difficult thing to sort of
You know define exactly which is why you have that first amendment that
sort of protects people because
The it is a very difficult thing to to to specifically clarify what that is that said
These platforms, you know have different standards of that that they they enforce
Yeah, and that's what we have the interesting case of alex jones with the the famous sandy hook
Denial and it seems like elon had like almost a personal
uh issue with alex jones as well and so
Is nick fuentes worse than alex jones? Is he
He should be the platform before he's more deserving that
Didn't deny sandy hook on on x. I don't believe he denied it on x
I don't I don't believe they point us denied the holocaust on x
I mean, I think he did. I I don't know for sure, but I believe he did
Um, I mean we we saw kanye get brought back after his comments. He made about jewish people
Well, he was proposing that symbol that symbol of the um, the star of david crossed over
I think we need to okay. I think largely we need to keep something in mind here
Um, the style of posting on x the stuff that you can get away with as is it's quite
It's quite troubling to me. I would say i'm not a guy who advocates for censorship
But I think where we start to use borderline adversarial speech intended to cause negative effects is where the lines
Is where the line should be drawn? So that's so intimidating. It sounds like elon himself is coming down on me
Every single one of us has the responsibility to choose verbiage and to choose a style of speech that is
Designed to basically not be as adversarial and designed to be actually constructive as opposed to destructive now. I understand in the heat of war
Um, there's a lot of adversarial. There's this is this is this is like
Scale a scale model of effect of war is where people go to war with each other for no fucking reason whatsoever
Even though they have no place in the war themselves
That's what I keep saying on x is like we want to fight each other go ahead
But get and do it in the battlefield
You can fight each other on the social media platform with pitiful words
Or you can actually be part of the army and say here if you
My point is if you don't have a gun at a marching order you have no fucking part in the war
You can fight each other all you want. You can take it outside somewhere
If you want to fight each other go ahead beat each other up in an alley somewhere
But leave the rest of us out of it
It is not it does not belong on the platform
And if you want to like intimidate each other by discrediting certain events or whatever, even if it didn't happen
It literally does not matter you can post weird stuff
You can post footage of war on x but you don't expect that to be monetized and also don't expect your account to be up
For very long because that kind of stuff in repetitive fashion becomes something very fucked up
And of course, you'll be assigned a sensitive content label
But if an account has that much engagement
It does not get a sensitive content label most of the time because the algorithm just simply doesn't work that way
So now you have this type of problem. That's infiltrating
Content everywhere else on the platform giving users a very uncomfortable experience, which is a net negative to the platform itself
So I think all of us have a bit of a responsibility of saying hey, I think what we need to do
Like if you want to be adversarial you can come to spaces call each other out on here
You can give permission and say hey
Let's have this 1v1 right here. Give me the worst you got
I'll give you the worst you got and if that's consensual then you could do whatever it is that you want
People could still probably report the space and could get rugged mid space
As long as you're not too offensive with what you're saying that's perfect
But on posts and on timeline you are to be diplomatic. You can be adversarial in spaces
Go for it. I've told I've told people to go fuck themselves multiple times
And there's absolutely nothing fundamentally wrong with that if you come up here and chill crypto scams
For instance i'm going to call you out in ways that you've never been called out before i'm going to give you
A time of your life. That's what's going to happen and it's perfectly fine and it should be good
But if you do this on a timeline somewhere, nobody else needs to be part of that, right?
And so if you have a point to make about the war and your opinions you can go to the several
Weird war spaces that exist out there discussing this kind of thing
But maybe you won't get a chance because they take two minutes to finish a goddamn take so
Again, I would say keep all the negative stuff off of the posts and and say potentially just talk it out in spaces
Or a personal call you have dms right here. You have the ability to call
You can record each other's calls if there's consent and you can do something with that later on say in a space or wherever
But again, if you're going to be contributing to say a bit of a negative vibe on the platform
This will reflect negatively on you because everything that this platform is designed to do is it is designed to give users a positive experience
And to maximize unregretted user minutes as opposed to regretted user minutes because if I scroll
And I find a video of a child's dead body i'm going to regret those user minutes having seen that shit, right?
I'm not saying that we should keep the stuff off the platform entirely because war needs to be shown and the brutality of war needs to be understood
Is that if you want to maximize if you if you want the platform to give value to you
And if you want to be distributed and if you don't want to be kicked off the platform
They need to contribute to the positive aspects of the platform as opposed to the negative aspects of the platform
I think that's pretty well
I think that's well said adrian. Um, you know
If you if you want to avoid some of the problems that many of these accounts are having
Spaces are largely unchecked. Yes, they can be reported
Um, but i've been in spaces where I have heard the most
Horrible things said and I will check back in two hours later and that space is still up and running
Whether people are are reporting it. I don't know
And and he and adrian makes a great point if you want to say what you want to say, you know what open up a space
Where there may be very few consequences
However, if you are that's like there
That's why I do it. I you I will not harass broadski on the timeline. I will do it solely in spaces
And i'm free and unchecked to do so
I I think that there's no line that's drawn on
I I don't think the line is very clear because it's going to change isn't it? Like if I think so
It's monetized, right? It's which it's probably
Yeah, it's interesting because obviously
monetization alone is something that has an impact on our on our speech and
It's it's a difficult thing because I don't want to tell people don't do this or this don't say what you want to say
But it doesn't mean you're not going to have any consequences. And I think also the sort of idea of
fundamental idea of freedom of speech
It was really designed to protect people when they speak out against government or they speak something that you know, some some
Majority of people don't support people who have power don't support or don't agree with or misunderstand
It it wasn't designed to say, you know
Horrific things to people and and the fact that people are using it for that like, yes
They have their freedom of speech they can do it. But why why what's the purpose?
But elon has he owns it he has the right
To make those decisions as to who belongs on his product or not
And I think that is something to be said if I owned this app
There would be eight people allowed on it and I would be like, I don't care if you don't like it
I don't care there'd be like not I know you would allow me sarah because you'd have an opportunity to beat me up
I would need somebody to bully so I would have kathryn as my as my token
Person but you know, he doesn't none of us have a a right to be here
If you have a grievance as to people that are being removed from the platform
You know, uh, you know give elon a call kathryn has his phone number apparently the krasensteins are in a group chat with him
You know you take it up with him. It has nothing to do
Individual accounts or individual users, you know, i've heard it said well, why is
Um nick fluent has not here but alex jones is here
Simply because elon made that decision. I don't like alex jones
I would be happy to see him drift off into the ether
Elon musk makes the decision
To either remove him or keep him that's solely up to his discretion
well, I think this kind of uh
Sakes sakes a little bit into this question that i've gotten from an audience member who had to to leave but um
But I think it's it's valid because I think where people
Might have some concerns is that elon does sort of state one thing. Okay. This is a free speech, uh platform
Uh, you know as long as it doesn't violate laws
But clearly we have terms of agreement terms of service that are still
And so it's not entirely correct and then there's certain things in terms of inconsistencies
like um, so the person wanted to bring up shadow banning and
That elon quite a while ago now had said that you know, he's going to make that transparent
He's going to uh, let accounts know if they're shadow banned and and the reason for that
Uh, this may be a good thing to maybe throw to brock because I know he he's a little bit more familiar with that side
Of things and and he has his hand up conveniently. So brock, what are your thoughts on this and and other thoughts you might have?
Miley your hand was up first. Do you want me to go or no, he's picked you
Yeah, so I was actually gonna bring that up is I haven't been on as much as I used to be
So maybe this is a question for ed. Adrienne sarah kathryn miley
Like there's now there is now flags on comments like hate speech. So someone in my comment section said the word
Uh cracker and it was it was referring to a pet name actually and it said hateful speech
So that's new to me. Have you guys seen that in the last week?
Or is this like old news like I saw that on your post
But i've never seen it on where you had pointed it out, but i've never seen it anywhere else
The word talking about a transmission for a car old car guys
We'll talk about how they need to replace their tranny and that gets like a visibility for hate speech
But they're talking about their transmission in their car stuff like that
Yeah, so I think what's happening in general is um, so this I I would I haven't seen that exactly
But i'm i'm sure that's happening and it that seems like ai being is is being used increasingly
Have to remember the team at twit at x is actually really small. I think sarah brought that up earlier
I mean she actually made a good point. It's weird, but um
But there the team at x is is is is really small. So what are they going to do?
They're especially given that they're uh now they have an ai company tied in well
They're going to use ai and what i've noticed with a lot of this stuff a lot of these violations
I think what's happening is is ai is the culprit for a lot of this
So ai cannot distinguish these things right if you're using the word tranny for a car
If you're using cracker for you know
Um not in a derogatory way
It's it's very ai cannot distinguish that sort of thing same with reporting
I think sometimes certain accounts go down because people report and it doesn't actually make any sense that they would
Because ai is making that decision and ai is also because I have made I have reported some posts and
I I never almost never I would say 95 of my reports get denied including death threats
Because again and and it happens really quickly
So it's not going to human when when you get an answer very quickly, you know, it's ai
Um, I don't know if there's a you know, to what degree you would have to go to get a human response
Uh, maybe certain things are tagged. Um, you know, maybe if you threaten violence threatened violence, maybe if I
Report that maybe that goes to human but even in those cases
It clearly has not because i've had you know, clear threats of violence and no consequences
So I think a lot of yeah, go ahead brock what they've done
Just in this last week. There's been a lot more like 12-hour lockouts
and a lot of them are like incorrect like like how uh
Myo said and yeah the word tranny if you're you know, it is ai for sure
But it definitely it really really feels like in this last week
They're making a push to be more advertiser friendly
With like monetization and stuff like that and with these suspensions like there's in my opinion
And I haven't been on as much as it used to be there's been a massive shift in this last like week or two
I don't know if everyone else feels the same way, but that's kind of what I but i'm sensing
I've definitely felt a shift, but I also think because I think ai is being used for a lot of this
I I define it worrying and this is not exclusive to x it's going to be it's something that's going to be on every platform
We're shifting more and more towards ai being used to sort of determine these things because it's cheaper, right?
You don't need the manpower
But as we see ai currently in its current form isn't it's just not good enough to sort of discern some of these things
And so we're going to see it like influence a lot of the discourse
I think but adrian. I see you and you're so imagining have some opinions on this
And adrian fyi i am keep getting that you're having host connections
Coincidentally, it's every time katherine says ai
Hello ai, I am connecting to the mothership please do not disconnect us god make yourself she does that way too well
I just wanted to say like thank you. Thank you all for like being civil answering my question. Okay, just one. Just one moment. Um, adrian
Oh no, oh no call him elon he'll get upset and he'll respond
Yeah, we'll go with uh, we'll go with miley and then we'll probably close out
Thank you so much. I just wanted to point out really quick. Um to is it mio?
Our guest on stage. I I pinned a post to the top
I know that brian and ed kind of discovered this and went over it months ago
But I wanted to bring it back up and I checked today and it's still in the um terms of service
The terms of service and x clicks through to the garm brand safety floor and sustainability framework by the global alliance for responsible media
And it gives pretty crystal clear examples of what um, you can't
Post and x follows, um this guidance. So if you wanted to click through it, you know, I think you would get
Some clarity on what would be extremely problematic
Okay. Yeah, more my question was about because he was originally his original. Oh
Adrian are you back? Yes 100 back. Uh, so with with the use of the AI I would have to disagree on it being negative
Uh in a large a large amount of cases
I think humans in general have an issue with their speaking. This is something we can always point at the machine
But I think we should also point at ourselves. It's how we're using the machines necessarily
When posts are being issued
We put way too much emotion into what it is that we're putting out as opposed to just basically using it as bits of condensed
Logical value I suppose like and and logic doesn't mean that you discard emotions quite far from it
Is that you make reasoning out of them?
You don't discard anything you just basically make it more understandable where essentially instead of implied meaning you put actual
Definition into what it is that you're saying as opposed to making implications or whatever and whatnot, right?
So I think for for quite a lot of the people where it's like they have labels associated with their accounts
It's it's dependent upon their activity and i've looked at some of these accounts which each have their own problems
And i'm looking at it's like bro. You're reposting
First of all, what what about that does not make you look like a bot then second of all?
Um, you you post off-site links all the time. Why would you post off-site links all the time?
First of all, I don't think anyone cares about your spotify music and then second of all if you keep doing that
What do you think the platform is going to do about you when everybody knows that the that everything here is structured in such
A way that off-site links are being
Targeted essentially as some sort of spam because largely they are this is also why I would advocate for people to stop
Spamming gifs because they they also they they oh it's it's just link spam, you know
What do you think the platform is going to do about that?
Right if if if I wanted to know where there are spam or where there's spam
I would just simply deboost any account that keeps posting a certain amount of links within a lot of period of time
Right. So it's it's it's not the system. That's the fault. I think it's more the people
You see ai as a positive whereas
Being so positive because it is not looking at context. It's picking out keywords rather than context
Well, that's not entirely true
You're the one who's who's supplying the context and if you're not supplying enough context
Within what it is that you're trying to lay out then that's on you 100 percent
Yeah, but people aren't designing themselves to speak to ai
They're designing themselves to speak to human beings who are able to take a very complex in a way social cues
Even though the sentence seems very simple. There's something about the human mind that's able to we'll go ahead
We operate based on meaning and pre-existing context ais do not and I think personally
Our conversations could be done much more efficiently
If we were to take out the implied meaning aspect of things and were to just simply say what it is that we thought
As opposed to implying what we think
Um, it's this a speech structure. I think we'll have to change with civilizations adopt
Like with the with ai being adopted into various systems
We'll need to change how we speak to a certain extent
And I think that's a net positive because the way that we speak at current even though social interactions is so massively inefficient
That basically time itself is wasted
And if you look at where things are currently heading we're heading towards a future in which there in which latency is being
Decreased as opposed to increased. Why do you think we will put neural link into our heads is because we want to have latency be decreased
What if you could just have a thought and have that be posted essentially, right? You'd have to think of sort of way, of course, but
You would but this is like people can't even dictate
But adrian, okay, so people can't even dictate right now. So so you're right
I mean people used to be able to dictate things
Because they would be you know
They were used to it and we do change the way we talk in terms of in terms of how it relates to technology
But at the same time there's something really special about human beings and how how we talk and how we are
Abstract and poetic at times. So essentially if we are changing ourselves to fit the ai
translation of things then we are
Sort of making ourselves more like the machines instead of the machines being able to understand us better as humans
I would rather see it go that way where the machines are getting better at understanding rather than us becoming more machine-like
We already machines. We just don't entirely embrace it. We're just this guy really is
I don't think it doesn't sound like god damn it
Yeah, so look I just wanted to say I'd love to get involved in other topics
If I hear one more elon adrian reference
Will cry so stop it her head her head her head's gonna explode her meat computer is gonna shut down
It's like cpo buffer overflow. Um, yeah, my I know you want to go
I want to bring up links next
Yeah, just just really quick
I just want to say thanks for being civil answering my question
That's not what I expected because I know you all disagree with me on all this stuff
You know adrian you brought up like war war on x and how it's it's strange like all the rules with posting
Miley what you you brought up the guidelines?
My my question would be like well, he was banned under the old guidelines
And so now under these new guidelines, he hasn't broken the rules so that that you know makes that complicated
I'm curious though because
I think one of the big reasons why he's so controversial is he's one of the biggest anti-zionist voices
And uh, I saw brian ed's brother posted last night that nick fuentes is the only person he's ever refused to debate
I'm curious ed would you and your brother brian?
as twinsies debate nick fuentes about zionism
And uh, are you scared? No, I wouldn't debate him. I just that's like, you know, a lot of people say
We shouldn't give people like alex jones a platform
We decided we just yeah, we did
And to your credit, I thought that was good. Okay. Okay. Neo, let us speak
I disagreed with that because
My my view is that he already has a platform and our job or what we could do was to
Contradict some of the stuff that we believe he's pushing. That's not true. Nick fuentes
I just refused to give him a platform because I believe
Going on a show gives him more of a platform where alex jones already has that platform and nick fuentes
Is clearly an anti-semite and I don't want to have anything to do with that
And there's a difference also, I would say look I I believe in having conversation with different people
But I also think that it's important when you do have these conversations you consider. Hey, why are you having that conversation?
What purpose does it solve? Is it to understand them better? Is it to clarify things? Is it to
Push back on certain narratives and if and if there is no purpose or is it to clout chase or get attention, right?
And a lot of people amplify certain people more for that that latter reason so I I believe you know
I've used the term responsible platforming which people seem to think sounds like censorship, but it's not right
We do have that freedom of association and I think with the freedoms that we have we have
Responsibilities that we should take seriously. I'm not going to force, you know, my view on somebody else
They can do as they wish they can platform who they want
But for me, for example, I wouldn't do certain I wouldn't with certain people and certain people. I might see a value in that
And those people might be controversial as well in terms of the platform
You know and I don't want to get specific
On to this individual as to you know, my own feelings about him, but in terms of just the objective
Platform issues that he had on here is that he was banned and it is actually against the rules of this platform
to come back with a different name because it's against terms of service and then the other thing that I
That I mentioned is that i've seen him multiple
He's also been saying certain things but also that that would go against terms of service, but also he had
specifically targeted individuals
Oh my god, look so one of them because you wanted an example is luke
A man, I forget his last name, but he was specifically targeted because he built he created
Like a holocaust museum and there specifically this individual of whom you speak specifically sent his followers to target and harass them
So there's been a number of instances like that that would go against terms of services regardless of what you might think
of the individual themselves
Thank you if I may all right nope go ahead you can finish up and then
And once again, I really do appreciate the chance to speak
I know you guys all probably hate me. So it does speak to you that you're being civil about it
So, thank you my last thing I would you know, I just I do want to point out onto that comment
What's funny is that back in the day when ed and brian were on the platform prior to their their ban
I was very very critical of them. And when I started going to their spaces, I was quite critical as well
And there was no hate. It's just a matter of how you present yourself
now if you're adversarial and you want to bait them and you want to try to
Get into this controversial topic for the sake of controversy
That's a different story, but there's no hate they they handle themselves. Well, we all handle ourselves well
Um, you can you can you can disagree outright you can disagree in their spaces. They'll still bring you up on stage
There's absolutely no hate. It's it's all in the way you present yourself, but continue, sir
Well, thanks. And again, there's yeah, I mean this just happened last night. I saw brian
Krasenstein posted about it. And so this again, there's a lot of other things that i'd be happy to talk about
I like these types of conversations generally
Anyway, my last point i'd like to make when you talk about platforming, you know an uh,
Anti-semite or something is you know, anti-zionism
Especially it's like really out of control right now. I mean there's i'd say they're losing the narrative on x specifically
And and you know that's getting a lot of crossover with anti-semitism
The water's all muddy muddied now and it's
You know, there's a I think that some clarity through debate through people especially pro zionist voices
Hashing it out and getting into the specifics with you know, what you anti-zionist anti-semites and
You know pointing all that out just like the krasenstein's did with alex jones to their credit, you know, really that much that
Couldn't have been easy. He was jumping down their throat kind of like I am i'm a little excited to speak but
You know a debate with nick wentes wouldn't go like that. It would be a lot more clarity. I think
Like I I wouldn't I don't like the zionist debate. That's something I don't I try not to touch on
I've been a few spaces about it, but they just get so toxic. It's not something I want like it's like it's one of those
Debates that just goes in circles and there's no, you know evidence or no
Actual proof that you can kind of win the debate with you know, like like with going to alex jones like
I felt confident that I had talking points in which I could say no, this is factually incorrect when it comes comes to zionist
The zionist debate. I feel there's just so much
That gets conflated so much confusion and it just keeps going in circles
All right, well that's a good point your choice man
Well, hey, once again, thank you. I don't want to take up all your time. So thanks for having me. I really appreciate it
A point needs to be made in terms of standards. A lot of us explain
The argument goes oh free speech. You should be allowed to say everything. Well, you can say everything but don't expect
There are not to be any accountability and I think some of us who've built up say an audience for ourselves
We have accountability to our own standards and accountability to our own audience to provide consistent quality
And if say for instance, like if I don't want to debate some people that's my choice and they can go be debated by somebody else
You know, it's not that say we're evading a debate or evading discourse
We are just simply choosing not to taint our name with actions that are entirely unnecessary
And potentially even platforming something that we do not agree with
Say like I mean, I mean if you if you're gonna say things that are borderline
Terrible and are are banable offenses not only by rules, but also by actual social consensus
Then why the hell would I want to platform that? You know, it's like oh we have to let in everyone and I made this point
Where I was talking about how diversity is amazing
So long as diversity falls principles because if there is no like it's it's just like with the human body
Or with the machine all parts are different all parts serve a purpose
But they all serve one whole purpose as a system, right? And so if you were to introduce something that is intrusive
I will put a screwdriver into the machine just like that as it is running and one of the gear starts flying out
Well, yeah, that's that screwdriver right here is a very diverse
Element that should have been added to the collective of diversity was entirely
Prioritized but what ends up happening is that machine is now dead is now destroyed as a result of this because it's true
So, I mean, you know, we have a freedom of speech not freedom of reach
And I think we ought to not conflate this and I think we ought to not
Like be forced to say platform things that we don't wish to platform
And I mean here's the thing you if you if if someone like that
Wishes to have debates with other people you wish to have a debate with something someone like that
Then you can open a space or you can do whatever you want to do and do it there
But I will not show up probably crowds and steam won't show up because they have standards
And that is simply that that's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever. There's no censorship. This is as it is
I think with that we should probably wrap up because we have approached the top of the hour
And I think this is a really awesome space nice little pilot for the next weekly
Um, so yeah, uh, join us join us for uh, part two is coming out next week
Uh, the post is up at the top of the space. Give that a like and a repost and set reminders and it will be live again
At 4 20 p.m. Eastern. I think after this i'll have a bit of a chill space just to mellow things out
Yeah, thank you adrian. This was so much fun. And um, I know that
Catherine you enjoyed it, right katherine, you know, you came out of your bitter shell, of course you didn't
um, but I want to remind people to
Follow all the speakers. Um
They did they contributed so much to this space. We couldn't have done it without them and um,
And to you know, follow adrian our host takes a lot of time to do these
There's a lot of stuff that goes on in the background and you know what i'll even i'll even show some kindness
And follow katherine broadski. She has a book coming out called no apologies. It'll be on amazon
You can go and pick up that book and then my book will be she owes me an apology
Um, also will be available on amazon and also about katherine broadski
I don't know how to insult you after this
Her book was written by ai cat gpt. So take that with you
When you write when you're reading just know that um, and she has a real journal
We should take notes for this
How you execute a successful shills like if you want to get value out of the platform
You accrue an audience that has actual interest in you. It is willing to invest capital
Um, another thing I would like to say just before we wrap up is for ad revenue and monetization in general
If you do not have fun on this platform and you find no joy in posting you simply stop
If you want real money you go find a job in real life
I myself do none of this for any monetization whatsoever. I could get monetized
I could connect a stripe account and get ad payouts every single month
And they'd probably be very good because I draw a lot of people in and I have a very specific form of content
Where it is not mass, but it's where it's where it's where it's weight over mass. I mean weight over volume
necessarily, right you can have a bunch of stuff where you can have
A small amount of stuff that is condensed to
If you're here just to extract money you're
You're a not going to have fun and be
Not going to make as much as you think you're doing because that's just jump change if you want money
Do real work have a real product have whatever and don't shill something that is useless
You must provide value and I think a amazing exercise for providing value to the platform
Is when you're getting started?
and you see proof of concept when people are interested in you when people are willing to
Give something to you or invest in you
Either through their time or through their interactions or engagements and one day even money
Like that should prove to you that there's actually an economy there that you can contribute to because that's not an economy
Economies are not to be exploited capitalism states that you ought to be
Supplementary to the system you're supposed to add something to the system
Everything else no matter how much anyone else believes it to be a certain way is not true capitalism true capitalism is
Entirely predicated on values entirely predicated on supplying value as much value as possible for as much of whatever else has been traded in form of utility
One should operate as such and then the world will be an absolutely amazing place. Thank you very much
Well, thank you adrian and everybody tune in next week. Um, we hope to see you and thank you very much adrian for hosting a great space
Thank you, everyone goodbye
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