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You’re Sleeping on Anime NFTs w/ @0n1Force @gkoiart
Recorded: June 25, 2025 Duration: 1:44:36Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, the 'Girl in the Verse' show launched with exciting announcements about partnerships, NFT giveaways, and the integration of AI in the crypto space, signaling growth and innovation in the industry.
Full Transcription
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I'm really excited
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I'm going to get the G-Coy account up in here too
And I'm going to invite some friends
I'm really happy to be doing this today
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so uh yeah that felt good um i'm really excited to start this space today. I just want to get my, I want to get Jashaka up in here too. So let me, let me just invite Jashaka. I think he wanted to
be a co-host today. So let's get him that invite. Jashaka, if you see it, you should accept a co-host
with me. Let's get this going. Guys, welcome to the, I like to call this, for now anyway, the Girl in the Verse show, where we talk about all things NFTs, gaming, the metaverse, Bitcoin, crypto, all of it.
Because, you know, I'm a girl in the verse. And I believe in the metaverse. I know it's like a weird word, but like, I just want to keep bringing it up but yeah uh this episode today is powered by g
coy we love the family here at g coy and yes we're giving away an oni nft during the show so
if you are here live make sure to like retweet tag two friends follow myself g coy um you know
what follow star lordy here too because he's up here on stage. And speaking of which, today I'm joined with the incredible Star Lordy.
He likes to call himself a nerd in chief at OniForce.
And so Star Lordy, welcome.
And for those who missed early ETH days, you know, sometimes it's like, what?
Ethereum?
What is that about?
But, you know, a lot of these NFTs, you know, we got to sometimes it's like, what? Ethereum? What is that about? But, you know,
a lot of these NFTs, you know, we got to give it to Ethereum, right? We got to, I got to give Ethereum its props because that's how I actually entered the space through Ethereum NFTs. But
Star Lordy, maybe to start off, first of all, intro yourself, welcome, and maybe talk to us
about Oniforce, just to get it going here.
Yeah, GMGM. Hello. Hello, everyone.
Thanks for having me, first of all. Really appreciate it.
Happy to be here.
I also love the metaverse.
Even if it's unclear what the metaverse is at the moment,
I do think we're building a metaverse.
Yeah, I'm Star Lordy. I'm the CEO of Oniforce.
Oniforce itself is the first anime PFP project in the space back in 2021.
Established the whole meta.
First sideways PFP, actually.
And, I mean, if you want to get nerdy about it,
it's also the first left-facing PFP in the space.
And created the whitelist, which is like industry standard still. And yeah, a lot of innovations. And I came on as project manager in early 2022 and
helped the original founders exit and stayed on as CEO since then in 2023. And yeah, for myself, I'm just a humble nerd.
You know what?
I just realized that you're a left PFP.
Like that actually, I just realized.
And actually looking at everyone's PFP, I'm like, wait a second.
Yeah.
It's true.
You are on the left, which is fine. You know what? Let's be the first left PFP. I'm like, wait a second. It's true. You are on the left, which is fine. You know what?
Let's be the first left PFP. I love that. Thank you for that intro. It's interesting because
we've seen a lot of CEOs and new founders. Obviously, I think of Luca. They just took
over a project. What was that like? Because I actually didn't realize that you just stayed on the team.
You're like, well, I'm just going to stay here and I'm just, I'm the new CEO.
So what was that like?
And then, yeah, you guys have so much new info coming.
I have like a list of all your announcements.
So we'll get into that in a second, but talk to us about that.
What was that like at the beginning?
You know, like started from the bottom.
Now we're here.
Like now you're the CEO.
That's pretty funny.
That is actually an interesting journey.
I think.
I when I first came, I remember I was only supposed to be here for like six months or something.
And that's what I planned for because I just had other projects I was going to do.
And just, you know, fell in love with the community.
It was legit the first community that I really was like, wow, this is my tribe.
And so I just, I think I just felt like combination of everything was perfect for me in terms of what the project is, what the potential of the project is, what I get to do.
So starting off as project manager, I was totally green.
I was totally a noob. I had no idea what was going on.
And when the
acquisition happened, actually I was still planning on leaving
because that's all I was really brought
on to do was to get to the, you know, the team to this specific phase. But after meeting the
ownership group, which is, you know, led by, the fund is called OFR, Old Fashioned Research. It was
led by the ex-CFO of Binance. His name is Wei. And a really awesome guy.
Just very, very, very, very experienced and legit.
And so when I met him, I was like, well, I should probably stay.
And then with OnlyForce, the big deciding factors that when I kind of presented my vision to him,
they totally were on board for it and really support the community aspect, the
IP aspect, the creativity, you know, everything that, which is what I love.
And so really being CEO is kind of a dream come true.
Actually, even when I took the job as project manager, I thought it was a dream come true
Project manager, I thought it was a dream come true just because it was my favorite project.
just because it was my favorite project.
So I feel like even despite the bear and all the crazy stuff that happens in this space and how it's evolved in certain ways, I still genuinely love my job.
I'm just super grateful.
Before Oniforce, I used to feel guilty if I was watching anime.
Now, it's part of my job so nobody could judge me
oh my god you know what
speaking of anime when I was thinking
of a title for this space
this is what I thought of because
you guys do anime
really well
and I actually do think people are
sleeping on this i feel very lucky
because i'm working with g coin now and they're very anime and like you know originally my thoughts
about anime was like well i don't live i don't live in japan i'm not from asia like i don't get
it like you know what i mean like i just i'm like i'm just you know from canada like i don't know
like is this really a thing that can but we've seen seen, you know, like Azuki and you guys. So let's talk about anime. I also want to talk about like IP
because you guys talk about IP really well. I feel like in terms of NFTs and art on any chain right
now, I think even in 21, IP was such a big word. Like, oh, we need to have IP.
Like, IP is a thing, you know?
I will say I own the IP rights to this PFP that I have, my Women and Weapons.
But, you know, originally in 21, not many people own their actual FFT.
So why don't we talk about IP and your experimentation there?
Yeah, for sure.
I think IP in general is obviously extremely valuable.
I mean, it's like a multi-trillion dollar industry.
It's one of the largest industries.
I mean, it's one of the largest categories in existence,
if you think about it, in terms of entertainment.
IP is, you know know i think when we
say ip one thing i'll say is like we we focus on the we tend to focus on creative ip so like
you know everything entertainment you know that sort of stuff there is actually technology ip
though which is a huge value add that Web3 offers.
So I think for Oniforce, we are emerging of our IP is actually technology and storytelling and, you know,
technology in the service of storytelling and growing the IP and creating better experiences for people.
So I think for being in the space, it's kind of like, you know, you have this challenge
where your job is to try and grow the IP, but also grow the technology and move the space forward,
I realized, because the space is very, very nascent and very early. And we're quite still,
actually, we've made a lot of progress recently, but, and I could see how things are going to shape up in the next cycle, but, but we still have a long way to go before like mass adoption, like the whole promised land and stuff. our job is to use our IP and with the technology together to create what I call the future of
storytelling, which is the types of experiences that fans of IP are going to expect in the future.
So basically, like when the acquisition happened, kind of my, my whole pitch was like,
a lot of people talk about being Disneyney you know and i think whenever i hear
that i think this kind of shows how far from reality you are because like disney is like
took like 50 years to you know plus to build and and it's like it's in terms of ip kingdoms it's
it's massive i mean we're talking theme parks to TV to every form of media, you know, that sort of stuff.
I think actually the way I think of Oniforce is like we're building the technology that someday when Disney needs to onboard into blockchain and crypto, we'll have everything already ready because, I mean, we're here.
We're earliest. We're here first we're literally
the the guinea pigs and so um so now i can see more clearly as well by the way in terms of the
ip development stuff that actually the technology is massively important because that's actually
where you get the product market fit um especially like studying doodles, let's say, you know,
like as an IP, they kind of did everything you could.
I mean, they did the checklist, you know?
I mean, they got some of the biggest stars on the planet.
They produced, you know, an animated show.
They sold the merch.
They did the McDonald's collab
and yet somehow
their project still suffers
even though it's a fantastic
IP. I think it's
one of my favorite IPs in the space, actually.
It is. It's so good.
You look at it, when I saw the art,
I was like, oh, this is a no-brainer. This is going to
be one of the biggest IPs in the world.
I was just totally on board for that. But I think it turns out IP is an extremely
competitive landscape. Again, it's a multi-trillion dollar industry. So it's very, very,
very competitive when you get outside of the Web3 bubble. And so I like there's a more immediate responsibility to the people who are the early adopters to try and find value and utility that we can give to them that is not dependent on Oniforce becoming like a multi-billion dollar IP brand because those things on average
take 10 to 15 years for that any IP to turn into a global thing right like if like even like let's
say Naruto that's like one of my favorite um you know animes and mangas it's like they had to sell
uh first of all they had to make the manga, like, and that took, you know, however many years, right?
And then sell it for however many years.
And it's like, it's not like from the first issue, they were all of a sudden one of the top animes in the world.
It's like they had to make the manga, make it successful, you know, sell like hundreds of millions of copies, make an anime, you know.
hundreds of millions of copies, make an anime.
Realistically, in Web3, that's not feasible in terms of speed,
like what people are expecting.
And so I realized, again, in terms of IP,
it's like we need to own more technology.
So I think now, I think something we had discussed a long time ago
is you could kind of think of Oniforce as an IP
as kind of like a pixar it's like pixar created the technology that they used to tell the stories and give
the experiences they wanted they created their own like um portfolio of ips and stories and characters
and um just really focused on delivering really incredible experiences.
And from there, everything was possible, you know, whether it's merchandise and things
like that.
So I think in a very similar way, especially with today's announcement, which we can get
into later, you know, we're starting to, we're embarking upon the next chapter of Oniforce, which is to expand our network and presence and reach and products that can have potential product market fit to everybody in Web3.
And so I think Oniforce as an IP will continue moving forward in terms of whatever the main goal is, like getting an anime series, that sort of stuff.
But really the technology and the product market fit
of that technology is probably more important
than anything at this stage
because we're in the era of transition with AI
and blockchain technology merging together.
So I think it's really important
to just stay in the forefront of that.
I wanted to, let's talk about the news. And then I also want you to maybe share like,
how is like, so, you know, okay, you mentioned doodles, not to, obviously, we never want to
compare, right? But sure. Yeah. In terms of like, IP love doodles. Long live Doodles. So we're not comparing. I'm such a big fan of
Burnt Toast and his artwork.
If people don't know, he was
already, like Doodles were already
like
graffitied in my city, like before Doodles
Oh, that's cool.
So if people only knew, like Burnt Toast was already
doing these characters way long
before Doodles was, is Doodles,
right?
But how are are like how is oni now in terms of like everything we've seen right over the last like six seven years
um how do you think oni's going to i guess like what are the what did you learn from maybe some
of the pitfalls or like maybe certain mistakes quote unquote that people have made or like
you know projects have made and with the news of, and we'll get into that, how do you see Oni kind of changing that
game for yourself? Because at this point, I feel like everyone's in their own. I always like to
say, like, I'm in competition with myself, right? Like my past self, like, I don't want to compete
with anybody else, because it's just different. So yeah, I don't know how you would answer this.
But like, let's talk about the news of today. And then how you see only going forward.
Sure. Yeah. I mean, today, super excited. We are announcing one of our incubated projects,
which is, it's called Eva online. And basically, what this is, is taking one of our existing products
we've been developing for the past six months
and turning it into a larger product
that can benefit everybody.
And we're starting off with launching it
in the virtuals network.
And so basically what this is, is a identity protocol
for the social file layer. And so in the social layer in general, like, I'm sure you guys have
noticed a lot more bots on the timeline. And I'm sure you guys don't idea what you're talking about.
And I'm sure you guys don't.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
And I'm sure you don't really like them, right?
Like when I see botted responses, like I'm not like, oh yeah, thanks for the engagement.
I'm just like, oh fuck, like, okay, spam is coming, right?
And so like our goal here is to actually elevate the quality of the AI agents that are being launched so that we can get much
closer to synthetic identities that, you know, I think kind of the, there's many parts to this,
but one of the main things is like the net value add that we're trying to create for the space is
that if there's going to be bots on
the timeline, at least make them indistinguishable from humans. Like at least make it so you just
don't fucking know. Like it's so good that you're okay with it, right? Because that's one thing I
learned about humans is like if you look at AI art, for instance, right? Like people are like
paying money to AI virtual influencers to be their girlfriend or something. Right. Like what I learned about humans is like psychologically, we don't actually care if it's
artificial. Right. Like we don't care. What we care is that it actually triggers the dopamine
and the quality that like the happiness, whatever that we get, like soda is completely artificial.
Even if you tell me it's artificial i do not care i will
still drink my coke or whatever because it tastes good right so like same thing with content same
thing with um you know in engagement and so um we created this character lore generator which is
like the the most advanced actually character generator in Web3 because it goes far beyond the standard
setup for these agents. And I guess background for people, usually, like, if you launch an agent,
like, let's say it's an ELISA agent or, you know, the many, many, many, like, actual AI agent,
like, launch pads out there in Web2 and stuff, it's, like, usually the personality is, like,
and web to and stuff it's like usually the personality is like a paragraph right it's like
you just like there's a json file that you load up into your agent and it's just literally like
they write like 250 characters or something about the identity of this agent and it's like
turns out that's not actually a really great way to build an interesting persona because humans are much more complex, you know?
And so we actually created a system which is more based on human psychology and also archetypes from storytelling, right?
Like character archetypes.
Now, this was developed just for oni
force for our ip actually but i realized this can be turned into a framework that could benefit
all agents and so eva is the first of this new type of synthetic identity where their protocol
like what's going to happen is it's going to learn along the way what it means to be human,
because what it does differently from the other agents is that when it's scraping the data from social media,
it's actually focused more on putting context and human meaning to the things that are being said.
Right. So if like someone's
being a troll, it will know, like, it'll be like, okay, this person's a troll. Or like,
if you're sharing certain types of political content, it'll be able to start to infer,
okay, create an identity profile on you. And so, you know, in the future,
the agents that are out there are going to be much more complex.
So this is kind of like the very beginning foundation, like the primordial foundation of
this AI intelligence to start being more, you know, three-dimensional in identity.
So for OnlyForest, it's like, this is a product we've already been working on for our own
been working on for our own community, our own ecosystem. I think the virtual experiment now
community, our own ecosystem.
has a chance for us to see if we can add value to a specific ecosystem that's an AI ecosystem.
And I think the immediate benefit for us is that we'll be able to increase our community and onboard
more people into our project and stuff.
But,
but really we're just focusing on the value add to everyone else.
Cause I think that's,
that is the future.
What you asked is like,
what's next for only for us.
It's like really taking our cool shit that we're working on and like,
just making it accessible for everyone else.
Because again,
I think we,
we have a big responsibility to push web 3 forward
um and we're entering an era of i think the builders era i think the hype and speculative
age is is done that's pretty cooked um guess what the rest of the real world actually rewards
builders this web 3 for some reason the only
industry that just rewards grifters and fucking charlatans and stuff somehow and but the era for
the builders is finally upon us and and i can tell you that's a real thing because everybody i talk
to it's like after multi years of suffering it's like the real builders who are left like we all
see each other you know because we didn't leave and and and it's funny the real builders who are left, like we all see each other, you know,
because we didn't leave. And, and, and it's funny, like when I get into conversations with
other people who are real, who care about the web three care about the community and building,
there is a sense of growing pride and, and kind of like, you know, okay, it's our time.
So I think owning forces, it's our time.
It's time to step into the spotlight
with all the stuff that we've been building.
No, thank you for that, Star Lordy.
I do want to let people know,
you can come up and ask questions.
Yeah, if you want to ask questions,
jump on stage, all good.
We didn't mention it.
You can roast me.
I forgot to mention it, but yeah, totally.
I didn't want to make this like a one-on-one convo.
I love getting people, especially in spaces, to come up and ask questions.
This is your opportunity.
I see NFT QT, but I did want to just give it up to Jashaka here.
Maybe, Jashaka, go ahead and go first.
Hey, can you hear me?
Yes.
You're there.
Okay, great.
Have on to my headphones. GMGM, everyone. I? Yes, you're there. Okay, great. Have on some headphones.
GMGM, everyone.
I love hearing everything you're doing.
I'm a big supporter of ONI.
Love ONI.
We did an ONI raid and got some amazing artwork.
Love the community.
But since you're here, I do have some questions, right?
So Ghost in the Shell and Akira, both epic movies that
built on, right? So Akira took two years to be animated, right? It was like the first one. Ghost in the Shell took three months, thanks to better technology. How do you see AI fitting into the
content creation pipeline in the anime industry? That's actually a great question.
And I've been deeply involved in that.
Actually, I advise for the top AI animation software
that's being adopted currently in the industry.
I think the first thing is speed.
It's always speed and efficiency.
That's what technology does.
So right now in the anime industry,
the problem is that there's not enough
animators because it's actually a low-paying job and it's also not an easy job like the
animes that we love from japan japan has like an incredibly high standard quality and
that level of skill for the the prices that they pay does not really,
I mean, if you go from green lighting and animate to premiering on whatever Netflix, Crunchyroll,
we're talking like three to five years minimum at this point.
That's the backlog, like minimum.
Some of them are like 10 years before
they're willing to come around the project.
It all depends on how much you pay too.
But the point is there's a backlog.
So the technology is going to open it up, make it faster for anime,
for people to be able to produce high-quality content.
But actually, I think we're really close to the era
where the technology is going to be so good
that everybody's going to be able to make some really cool stuff. And I don't think people realize the era that we're about to enter of like
unlimited creativity where the competition and the level of expectations on
everything is going to be insane.
Like on every type of content you could imagine from explainer videos to corporate videos
to training videos, like to boring type stuff
to, you know, whatever.
Like it's going to be unlimited.
So I think what's going to happen
is it's going to push everything
just towards tribalism, communities and tastes.
So like it's going to be smaller
and smaller niches of content that people
like and then there'll be content creators who just really know that audience and they're just
going to make the dopest stuff like if you're into skateboarding then somebody's going to be making
like the sickest youtube channel with the with the most incredibly original skateboarding content
you know and you're probably going to support that.
And so same thing with anime.
I think the studios will be able to put out more content that's high quality.
Average, like independent studios will be able to reach higher quality.
And then everyday people will also be able to express themselves in ways where,
you know, you'll surprise and delight everyone so i think i think the future we're headed towards is is like unlimited expression unlimited so i'm just
gonna say my uncle actually produced ghost in the shell and we figured that's why we were able to
bring from two years down to three months that was what you call jamaican ingenuity yeah that's cool that's a big that's
a big chop right two years to three months is only jamaicans can do that stuff that's pretty huge
on that whole question of um ai content creation so i know the anime industry using ai to streamline
accelerate production because rotoscoping and that stuff, it's not a talent art, right?
So they still use humans, they create the core art,
and then they leverage AI to help bring it to life.
But I know that recently I got some doodles
and joined our community,
and they're seeing like a big exodus
because they're actually moving over
to an all AI content creation model,
prompts replacing artists.
What do you think about that?
I definitely don't think, I mean, we support artists and we love artists.
And actually artists are a core part of what makes IP special. I think artists in general are definitely going to have to adapt.
And then from there, it just becomes, again,
their creativity and how they express themselves
will determine their level of success.
I think the average everyday artist, in order to adapt, probably needs to be able to use the tools so that they can actually keep getting the opportunities to work on stuff.
I definitely don't think replacing everything with AI is the answer because actually there's diminishing returns over time
because like even like ChatGPT,
like when I see like the ChatGPT stuff that comes out,
it's kind of hard because it's like,
I realized like, oh, ChatGPT is like the new Fiverr,
you know, and it's like, you see like these graphics
and things like it's very obvious
that they're not even trying to tune up the image.
You know, it's like,
they're just using the standard rendering
that ChatGPT does.
And I think artists who are human
are going to bring a unique perspective
that comes from within
to keep giving things interesting twists and iterations and stuff.
So I think in terms of the artists right now it's like
what i think what people are always scared of is like being replaced but i've actually been through
multiple cycles now of technology and i could see that's actually not what happens for some reason
like it's just more and more artists appear i'll give you an example like um when
digital tablets uh came out like artists hated them like because think about it the entire planet
up until the invention of a digital tablet was making art the same traditional way you know like
brushes pencils on paper for you know however many like you know, like brushes, pencils on paper for, you know, however
many, like, you know, many, many, many years. And then when digital tablets came out, all like the
majority of all those artists, like all the ones who didn't try the tablet are like, fuck this,
like, this is not real art. If you are an artist using a digital tablet, you are not an artist,
like literally saying that, you know, and like, and, and so they thought it was like cheating.
They thought it was like fake. Like they're like, Oh, like, you know, you're never going to render
it the same way with like a paintbrush. Like, um, and so it turns out that now digital tablets are
the standard. And actually what it's done is it's allowed people to output way more work, like way more work.
Like all the industries we like have benefited from tablets.
So I think we're in a similar situation with AI.
It's a little scarier because it's more, the magnitude is much bigger.
So it's like harder to calculate.
But I think honestly, like if you're scared
and you're not willing to try using AI as an artist,
you know, yes, you're going to have a harder time.
But the other thing I keep in mind is like
in another generation, like all of the artists
of the future will grow up AI native, will not
question for one millisecond, whether what they're doing is right or wrong. They're just going to be
focused on the freedom of expressing themselves. And humans seem to have an unlimited, like,
appetite for IP and entertainment. So I'm actually less worried about artists and AI.
I'm more worried about like blue collar workers or even white collar workers or
people who just like do more of the like kind of nuts and bolts of society
because art is like this never ending,
like original expression that's going to keep happening.
But like once like, you know,
accountants jobs are gone, it's not like, it's going to come back, right? Like, like those people
are fucked. So sorry to say it like that. But, you know, I'm more concerned about the general
fabric of society falling apart. I think the rate in which people are going to lose their jobs in very practical businesses is definitely going to be faster than they will be able to find something else to do.
So I think that's where a lot of people are afraid of what AI is going to do.
And guess what?
When they're stuck at home with no job, they're just going to watch more anime.
job that they're just going to watch more anime.
So artists are fine.
So artists are fine.
So go and learn a real
skill like carpentry, masonry,
tiling.
Those are definitely the next
big ones. Yeah, for sure.
Actually, I think
I think, yeah, I think
actually one thing I will say about back on the artist
thing is something that what we're talking about today
with the team is like the idea of like clean
data versus like dirty, which is like for people who don't know it's like all the internet before chat
gpt is considered clean clean data everything after chat gpt is now considered dirty because
the content that you're scraping are essentially hallucinations and reiterations, like regurgitations from ChatGPT, right?
So like a lot of AI researchers or companies trying to be competitive are like kind of upset because it's like these big companies already got all the clean data and now everybody's
training on dirty and so that creates a lot more value on proprietary clean data for instance
apple you know they have a shit ton of data on people that's very clean and they'll continue
having it being clean because it's like they're just collecting so So and then like, you know, Netflix, right, or Crunchyroll. And so I think actually, in a way, artists are a source of clean creativity.
Like even if they're using AI as tools, like being an artist means that you are actually just expressing your own personal experiences and your personal identity and thoughts and philosophy on life.
experiences and your personal identity and thoughts and philosophy on life.
And that's a source of new queen creativity is what I would say that goes
into the space. So like, yeah.
So I think, I think again, for artists, I'm not as worried, to be honest.
I think it's can be scary, but I'm not worried, but everybody else,
everybody else i'm like holy shit where's ubi when you need it
I'm like, Holy shit. Where's UBI when you need it.
i have so many more questions but you know i see nft cutie here um has their hand up gm nft cutie
gm gm uh i have a question uh uh to start already.
What's your favorite anime AI agent or anime AI influencer,
which you have seen till now?
Oh, sorry.
I cut out for a second.
What was the question about the anime agent?
Yeah.
The question is,
what's your favorite anime AI agent or anime AI influencer till now?
Honestly, I did like Luna when it came out.
I think I liked that feeling of like,
oh, when you chat with them,
they're going to respond and that sort of stuff.
But to be honest, I haven't seen any since then that i really felt like nailed it i feel like it's been a lot of low effort and like to be honest again
why this product exists is like there's kind of a plateau to like what you can get the character
how you can get the character to act or respond um based on you know very limited updates and and
the way they update is so manual it doesn't i don't know it just doesn't keep up i did like the
the bobu experiment that azuki did like they did like a whole streaming thing uh with their
character so i thought that was kind of cool with like the whole dgen angle of that um
kind of like a belligerent um ai guy um and now with our evo like i think it's not really anime
this character but it is inspired by our one of our character designs for the um the fallen
collection so um i guess that by default, that's my new favorite.
OK, so my question is, Yuga Labs
did a sticker drop and did some 50 million sales.
And Pony Force is a 2021 project as well.
So what do you think about distributing stickers like that on TG to collectors?
Are there any anime collectors who would be interested in collecting TG stickers, sticker packs?
Because Kato dropped TG sticker packs for free for their community.
Yeah, because Kato dropped TG sticker packs for free for the community.
You're asking if there's other anime IPs that would want to do that or if Oniforce wants to do it?
Any anime project or Oniforce.
Oniforce, yeah, I think we definitely would want to do that kind of stuff.
I think, again, we're just like kind of a small team and we're just like hyper focused on AI, like getting,
keeping our advantage by just like everyday, like building in that region. So to be honest,
we haven't put as much effort into that type of stuff, which is fits more under the IP growth
side, I think. But I can say that actually in the future,
you will see all of it
because a lot of the anime IPs and studios and stuff
that I'm in contact with,
it's like they're very interested in blockchain
and things like that.
And so, and then they're finally,
I think in Japan as a whole is starting to open up more
in terms of,
now that the anime population is super global,
they're realizing that they need to do more things to actually engage and interact.
So things like stickers, TG stickers and stuff
is a perfect way to address audiences
that they might not be able to
get access
to the typical
products or things that they distribute.
I mean, the Web2 world is pretty much
addicted to the WhatsApp stickers,
Telegram stickers, and Snapchat.
Yeah.
They're already addicted to it.
I think the Japanese anime industry in general, Japan is like very slow to adopt to an advance. So I think they have pumped out a lot of amazing IP, but they're the technology, the distribution methods, the community building methods, all the stuff that actually Web2 or Web3 is like really, really good at.
I think they are quite far behind.
And so they will catch up because, you know, they'll probably like make a lot more money if they start getting into this stuff.
Yeah. My last question to you is for the new NFT collectors.
For a project like OnlyFourced, what would you say about the utility, rarity, and the community?
Sure, yeah.
I have to say, Starlord, I hate the word utility.
Really?
Yeah, because I feel like you know people are trying
to buy things for utility um and can i add to your question and if you think an important thing that
i really wanted to highlight today and then i have i have a ton of questions because you guys
are partnering with so many people um also in terms of like your nfts i want everyone to know
you guys went from Ethereum to Bitcoin
ordinals.
So I don't know how you can tie this all in, in terms of what NFT Cutie just asked.
But why did you make that leap from ETH to ordinals, from NFTs, I guess, to ordinals,
and then answer his question, like what type of utility and what are people getting if
they buy in?
Well, you know, by the way, I'll say for utility, I didn't like the word for a while too, because I got very cynical about it.
But I realized that in a general sense, it just means like, what's, why?
Like, why am I here?
Like, right?
What's the value?
My question was to you.
So for the beginners, what they should choose, rarity, utility, or community?
Oh, I see.
Oh, I get it.
That's pretty cool.
That's actually a great question.
I never had anybody put it that way.
Well, I think community is always first and foremost because community is like, if you don't like the community you're in the utility might probably won't and rarity
probably won't make up for it unless you're just a pure trader all you care about is the asset
um but um definitely community first just because our community is like really good people really
honest like people actually um very much passionate about the things they're into. I think the values of the community are pretty rock solid and supportive and
creative. And so if you love, you know, anime, comics, gaming, you know,
fashion, you know, kind of lifestyle,
like we're pretty, pretty great community actually.
I think that actually though, for new people,
you should come for the utility
because that is our whole thing
is that we are pushing forward in AI
to give utility to our community
that no community has ever had before.
So the thing I learned about AI is that it's very confusing.
There's a lot of products.
There's a lot of ways to utilize it.
And it's hard to kind of make sense of what that means within a NFT collection.
And so what we're doing is we're building the ecosystem and the platform so that
we could actually deliver that utility to our holders. And so just being a holder means you
will always get that early benefit. And also just knowing that the team is just always pushing
forward into the future. And so really kind of our play is like, since AI is
extremely unpredictable in terms of how things are going to evolve, you know, we just believe
that being early and constantly like building and being real authentic builders who are like
trying to implement this stuff and, and create value that when the industry
starts to settle and clarify a little bit more, we'll be, you know, we'll have the quite an
advantage. It will be in a position to, to truly benefit more people from it. So I think the
utility is really huge because like you'll get access to tools and things that nobody has.
I mean, nobody else is. I mean, there's things that everybody's working on, a lot of people working on in the field.
So I don't want to act like, oh, we have all this like super secret stuff.
But but there are things like especially when it comes to IP and how technology interacts with IP.
technology interacts with IP, I think we're definitely like, you know, in the forefront.
So along with like doodles and like maybe a couple other projects, but, but yeah.
So like, if you want a future where you're going to have a chance to use these tools,
then you should consider Oniforce. And when I say utility with these tools, like, what does that mean? Well, there's creativity, right? I put the AI utility in three buckets, which is there's
creative expression. So obviously, the very obvious one is like people making content,
you know, that sort of stuff. That's all fine. But there's also DeFi utility. So these agents will be able to help you trade better in the future, will help you,
you know, airdrop, farm for airdrops better, you know, things like that. Again, having a more
higher quality agent that you could deploy, like with Eva, that sort of stuff. And then the third
part is personal utility, which is just like AI in general, how does it actually enhance your life, whether it's a personal assistant or a therapist or a, you know,
marketing genius, whatever, like that's what the majority of AI adopters are trying to
leverage AI for is like how to make your life better or how to make more money, how to,
leverage AI for is like how to make your life better or how to make more money, how to,
how to just improve your, your general quality of life. And so with only forest, like that's
what our AI utility is all about. Like we really care about, um, making people's lives better.
And, and so if you want to, if you're the type of person that believes in like achieving things or improving yourself or, you know, being, um,
early to stuff then yeah, for sure you should. I mean,
it's probably the best time to, I mean, this is not financial advice,
but this is probably the best time to get an Oni right now. So I think, um,
you'll get access to all those things.
We're giving one away Star Lordy. Exactly.
You gotta like retweet, you know, we're giving one away.
So it's also a very good time.
Yeah.
I want to bring it, I want to bring Chin Sanity up here to ask this question.
Yeah, let's do it.
Love it.
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And please retweet the room.
Assemble. assemble I believe on the half of the OnlyForce account. Starlady, it's pretty funny. You started laughing
and then you muted yourself.
That was pretty funny.
You surprised me. That was a good one.
I should have seen that coming.
Come on, we've made that space.
I know, come on. I should have seen that coming.
I love that intro.
Love this space.
A lot of insight and always
kudos to you, JShaka, Girl in the Verse
for hosting these wonderful spaces.
Yeah, I had a quick question,
maybe going back to the anime side of things, Starlody.
I'd love to hear your perspective about this.
What do you think is the future of Web3 in anime?
Because I feel like it's been really interesting,
especially this year.
Obviously, you guys have been around azuki and now we
have a new one right final ball so it's been getting a lot of traction at least for this year
right because they just launched and stuff like that yeah i'm curious like where do you see it
going because i feel like this might be a hot take i'm not trying to fight just being very
observational and stuff like that right but like i mean azukiuki, again, they're like the one that people always think about
and we see a lot of these PFTs down there.
And they've done a good job relatively
with the anime and stuff,
but I haven't really seen that mainstream adoption yet
of Web3 anime and stuff like that.
So at least in my circles, right?
I might be wrong,
but then we're still seeing like
projects like you guys really doing cool stuff azuki and now this new one called final boss who
coming in always trying to say okay we're gonna build this anime but yeah i'm just curious to
hear from your perspective where yeah where do you think it's headed like i i think it could be a hot
take too i i think actually um i'm short-term bearish on on anime ip and web 3
like making the big breakout because um
like i think people in web 3 are punching upwards right like the thing that i really loved about web
3 is like when i saw like legit projects launch or at least
polished ones, you know, like, um, whether they, they ended up delivering or not. But the point
is like, I could see like, like, oh my gosh, like you have people making like sick 3d trailers,
which like back in the day, like, you know, getting some studio to make your 3d game trailer
or whatever would be like, you you know it costs so much money
and takes so much time and and so i just felt like web 3 people are way more um hardcore like
about just like getting their hands dirty and like learning the things they need to learn or like
like over performing with a small team that sort of stuff like final bose is like a perfect example
of that you know like their trailer, when I saw that,
I was like, oh, I would definitely watch that anime.
And like they, you know, they did that themselves.
And that took like a year, really long time
because they had to bootstrap it.
But the point is like, I feel like we're punching upwards
and we're actually quite far from the actual machine that makes animes like top animes so
like and this is what i've learned from being in japan is like all these top animes that you see
these are like essentially results of extremely refined farming and development process and then king made by like these cabals right so
like when like a new anime pops off it's it's literally a cabal of companies that will take
an ip and they agree on making it like huge and then they all carve up the rights like one company
will do the anime another one will do like the the toy line another one's going to do like the video game like they have it all pre-sold actually and so
that's how they make these things pop off and so because that industry is incredibly um insulated
you're not breaking into the anime industry like with your anime it's just it's not happening
in the short term so then what does that do is that leads anime creators let's say if your goal is to make an
anime series now you have to go through netflix or amazon or whatever and now you're competing
against um all of the other producers in the world and creators who want to make their own anime like
the michael b jordans of the world like the people who love make their own anime like the Michael B. Jordans of the world
like the people who love anime who also are producers who also have the networks who have
the talent who have the funding and so like um you know even Izuki you could see like when they
made their shorts like where are they releasing it YouTube like is that on Crunchyroll like is
that on Netflix no did Izuki make like a $100 million and yet somehow they're not on Netflix or Crunchyroll? What does that mean? Is that Izuki's fault? Or is that actually because it's that fucking hard? Right? Like, is it because the industry is that difficult?
that's why short term i'm bearish but long term i'm i'm very um bullish because actually it's the
opposite anime is coming to us so like you know i don't know if you guys know that sui landed pokemon
but like that's fucking huge guys like that's incredible that pokemon would sign off on a
blockchain it's gonna become an avalanche because the other thing is like they all follow each other so and i know for a fact that a lot of anime ips are interested so i think it's actually
um as the world starts to blend together more there will be then more opportunities for like
these web3 anime brands to to rise up or get distribution or something. And so, but also I'll take a moment to say it,
it could also just take a spark. Like if, for instance,
if a Michael B.
Jordan was to come to a Zuki and be like, Hey, like,
I fucking love this brand. Like let's, I'll go take,
pitch this to my people. Then yeah. Then,
then you could all of a sudden you catapult into the, into the, the,
but even like a doodles, like, you know, if you could all of a sudden you catapult into the... But even
like Doodles, like, you know, if you think
about it, it's like they had freaking
Pharrell.
I was going to say they had Pharrell. Yeah, exactly.
They had Pharrell, they had Lil Wayne. It's like,
wait, you can't get on Netflix with Pharrell?
Like, you're still doing, like,
on your website? Like, that's...
I think it shows fundamentally
how difficult the Web 2
barriers are, the gates, you know difficult the web two barriers are,
the gates, you know, the gatekeepers. So, so yeah, so I think
we have to survive until that,
that merging happens or you have to also do direct collabs with these other
anime IPs and start exposing yourself to their audience.
So I think it's like,
you're going to just have to build an organic audience first you know and then you get more leverage
yeah i like yeah sorry real quick yeah i like what you said story about the they're coming to
us versus we're coming to them and i didn't even know about pokemon dude that's that's huge that
is definitely that's huge that is
definitely that's massive that's one of the biggest ips on the planet that just made a deal with the
blockchain so like guess what like all their collectibles in the future are going to be on
fucking blockchain and like that's crazy you know like yeah it's actually insane like it's i don't
people don't fully realize like the magnitude that. Did they announce that publicly?
They did, didn't they?
They did, yeah, sometime.
Yeah, they did.
I was going to say Star Lordy stole my thunder for a video I was currently editing.
No, you're good.
You're good, though. Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's keep it coming out.
I mean, it's public info.
It's just that Sui just, they kind of got a bad rep a couple of weeks ago.
So I've just been low-key. Oh, because of the thing yeah it's but they'll be okay they'll they'll be okay yeah once they drop
those pokemon yeah it's huge it is huge um it's also interesting to see how like a company like
pokemon would choose like in my eyes suey is still such a early chain but
to see them go to that versus another one is very interesting but anyways let's not we can talk about
this actually i do want to add what there there is a scenario because remember we're in a multi-year
bear cycle to be honest so actually if if i rewind back to 2021 only force when it was like you know
one of the top og blue chips actually when i came on to the project i did meet people like
it attracted some pretty high level people like i had a call with um some producers who have produced like mega like
like budget movies like with like the rock and shit and like i found like this proposal they
had made for oni force they literally did a whole pitch like they pitched oni force right and and
so they wanted to do this whole tv series and they had fleshed out the whole thing and then they were going to pitch it.
But I think the previous team, they just couldn't get that through.
And then when I followed up, they were still interested.
But the hang up was that I told them that we would need to be able to get our community's PFPs into the story,
and then also that we'd have to pay them.
And they were not into that.
They were like, what?
We have to give out like 100 royalty checks every quarter or something?
We're back to the IP, Star Lordy.
We're back to IP.
Yeah.
But the point is, when the next super cycle comes,
if NFTs are in a good position, if there's good projects making money, to be honest, to be very frank, then yeah, these same people are going to come back around and they will make it fast track these things. I mean, that's how doodles happen, right?
Like they took advantage of that wave.
But the next cycle will be different because, because again they're coming to us as well so
more companies will have their um placing bets on blockchain and also there will be more
infrastructure worldwide to support blockchain stuff like payment rails and wallet abstraction
all the stuff that people are working on um so yeah, I do actually foresee a future. But again, that's why
I say short-term, bearish, long-term, bullish.
Okay.
I want to, I'm aware of TimeStar
Lordy, but if you can give us a couple more minutes.
Yeah, I got you. Okay, great. Awesome.
Let's keep going. I do want
to remind everyone,
because we're giving away an Oni.
Okay, just saying.
If you guys want to retweet out this room too,
because it also gets people in here,
and we can get more people in here.
So if you guys also want to retweet that room out,
I'm going to let my co-host, Shaka, pick a winner.
But we're still going, so we won't announce a winner yet.
We're still doing it.
Let's do it.
I just wanted to add a minute too.
If I could jump in here real quick i saw on the the
main page with oni that you guys are doing a partnership with ape chain yeah i just want to
kind of ask about that i don't think you guys went over that yeah so the ape chain partnership is a
really really um important one for us uh ape chain um has been incredibly supportive of us and actually they reached out to us because
again we're one of the few like legit builders um in terms of like og pfp projects perhaps that are
still um you know here that are still building and so uh it's a game that we're building for them
that is um i can't spoil it but it's's meant for the entire space to be able to participate.
And it's a concept that I think everybody's going to enjoy and that we're going to premiere it in October at ApeFest.
So definitely shout out to ApeChain and Cam and everybody that's over there they've been
incredibly supportive
very positive community actually
so yeah it's going to be
a game that if it's successful
we'll turn it into a mobile version
and actually push it out to
web 2 so hopefully
we get a good reception on it in October
oh my god this is crazy
because I'm actually trying to get Ape Train
to come on and talk to us too about gaming
and whatnot, so this is so
a thing. Oh yeah, I'll hit up somebody
for you if you want. Yeah, this is awesome
because, I mean, I don't know
how much Toshaka is allowing me to talk about it
but we're also in the works
of doing something pretty epic as well
on our side and we
actually wanted to get a we want to get some apes you know involved in in what we're building as
well which thanks keith for bringing that up because i i wanted to go back to my my question
before right because i'm a bitcoin about the multi-chain no no yeah yeah yeah i guess yes
because i'm a bitcoin girly you know i got um yeah i love my
eth nfts of course i'm actually like it's so nice to see um the word nft on the timeline again you
know it's so nice to see that coming back but i did want to ask you and we just talked about suey
and you know we're talking about you know all these other chains what made you guys want to decide to go you know what we're gonna launch ordinals and then
how do you see and i guess my other question is is it all that important today to like pick because
you know i i think you saw um clay knows also launched the second collection on suey right do
you think it's important to be
multi-chain now or like how do you see all that yeah i know i asked you like yeah no that's great
yeah no i i see where you're going i first of all for bitcoin i think um the thesis behind that is
the just fundamentally the way that it works with the inscriptions um you know the art is permanently
on chain so you know the best analogy that we like to use is
like if bitcoin is gold like right like a store of value that that people like to to trade then um
ordinals are like jewelry right it's like this other it's like a work of art that you
literally are you using the raw like material like this this individual satoshi right and so um
it initially started as just wanting to preserve our identity and culture and art on chain so
actually we inscribed seven ordinals in march of 2023 and so that's relatively early in in terms of the um historical context that's
under a half million in terms of the inscription number um we could have been even earlier if we
were a little faster on the art but but uh but the point is like i think initially it was just like
like huh like the way eth nfts usually work it's like you're the image is, like, I think initially it was just like, like, huh, like the way ETH NFTs usually work.
It's like you're the image is like pointing to like some, you know, hyperlink essentially.
And for me, I've been in the art world for a long time.
And what I do know about high end art collectors is that they don't want to hear that they're going to spend a million dollars on something.
They don't want to hear that they're going to spend a million dollars on something.
And then like, you know, 30 years from now, like it, you know, or even like 10 years from
now, it might be offline.
Like, and so to me, that's not an actual collectible, like in a lot of ways, like it's, it's,
it's quite far from that in terms of the high end.
It's fine for like PFP collections and what we're doing, because it's like, these are
ongoing, like if your project's dead, I mean,
your, your fucking assets dead anyways. Right. Versus Bitcoin.
I see it as more of a,
a long-term play to preserve the identity and art and culture. But,
but because we care about, you know, utility, you know,
even if we don't like the word,
like we care about trying to create value for a community.
Actually, we went like steps further on it
where the ETH collection is the heroes of our universe.
You could think of them as like the Jedi or something.
And then like the Ordinals collection
are actually the villains.
So they're called the Fallen.
And so they're actually the, like the Sith, right?
And so if you collect both um then you
actually get a chance to play the games that we create the experiences we create from these
different viewpoints these different characters so now it's like you know if you own the luke
skywalker pfp you get to do whatever you want with him maybe he's maybe he turns into you know
the dark side or something that's totally up to you like you get with him maybe he's maybe he turns into you know the dark side or something
that's totally up to you like you get to play that character out and then same thing with
like these villain characters and so so i think it's like creating a multi-chain experience is
important because i've always believed the future is multi-chain i think um everything's going to
get abstracted anyways so a lot of people are literally not going to know what they're like,
Reddit,
like Reddit had their whole NFT thing.
It's like the vast majority we found out of their collectors have no freaking
clue that they're even trafficking in NFTs,
let alone what chain it's on,
you know?
And so I think the experience part needs to be more seamless.
And then you kind of tailor it for what the limitations are or the benefits are for each specific chain.
And then, yeah, but then you got to figure out how to tie it all in together.
And for us, it's always a little bit more complicated because we are IP as well.
So it has to make sense from a storytelling angle in our universe otherwise we don't we don't do it but now
the cool part is like you know like you were exposing people to more chains and then and
unifying it in one experience so like a lot of people like um like we i think we brought over
like over a thousand new wallets into ordinals when we
launched our collection right and like these were people who've never had an ordinal before
and then vice versa there's a lot of you know ordinal maxis who ended up picking like an eth
only because they just like the community and they like the project and they want to like see
what happens with with the tech so um so i kind of see like eth is like the software ordinals is like the the more
like the the timeless art you know for art collectors um and then there's probably a need for
a faster um layer at some point like because because when you get to web 2 you want people transacting
very cheaply very quickly and stuff so that's probably not mainnet obviously um but also that's
why virtuals is very exciting for us because like virtuals is like a it's a really strong community
of people that that uh and for the virtuals team is's very, very legit. I could see how they've evolved. And so I think for us, it's less about the chain in that scenario, and it's more about the community so that we can keep advancing our technology and keep building with other people that care about AI and the future of AI and web three, that sort of stuff.
Well, I mean, I think we all have to care about AI
one way or the other, right?
Because it's not coming, it's here, you know?
It's here, it's here.
Like you said, you know,
where some big jobs are gonna go away
before the little ones, you know, some big jobs are going to go away before the little ones, you know, the lawyers, architects.
These are people who bring a lot of money to society, right?
But anyway, whose idea was the fallen?
I just actually posted up mine.
I totally agree.
The process of buying it was such a pain in the neck.
It was so slow.
I don't even know if i can even
find it back i think hopefully it's still in my phantom wallet um yeah for that technology to work
it has to come a long way but i totally this was my first ordinal that i bought oh that's awesome
i put it up on the jumbo trine here i thought it had the bitcoin colors nice um so it was cool
but yeah i would
love to know more about the fallen and where that came from i think um the fallen um
well and there's a whole storyline that we have and so basically paul jenkins who's our
you know artist in residence the the writer, he's amazing.
If you guys don't know who he is, he literally wrote Wolverine's origin story.
He's an award-winning writer.
He created the character of the century that's in the Thunderbolts movie currently for Marvel.
He wrote the first God of War video game.
He was the first employee of war um video game like he was the first employee of ninja turtles like this
guy's worked with i mean he wrote the the first storyline for civil war you know like this guy's
like literally worked with so many billion dollar ips it's it's quite crazy and he's also crypto
native you know like like web3 native and so um initially i guess the origin story is like
when we did the first inscriptions i recognized okay like this has a potential long-term potential
and then i was like well we want um to do expand our universe onto bitcoin but it needs to make sense and so he kind of looked through
our entire canon kind of like the whole like universe that we had been structuring
and he proposed to make the the fallen the or make the collection the villains because
they come from like a more ancient time and it's
like bitcoin is the mother chain it's the older chain like the people like the bitcoin whales are
typically more established um in crypto they've been there through more cycles they um are more
patient and things like that so we kind of like took the,
like the ethos and then,
and then also Bitcoin is like,
in a way it's a little more punk rock.
I feel like actually ETH is like a little more corporate. Cause it's like trying to get all these corporations and stuff.
And Bitcoin is just kind of like,
fuck you on Bitcoin.
Like,
I don't have to tell you my story.
Like it's just buy me and hold me.
You know what I like?
It's kind of like,
I feel like the hardcore Bitcoiners are more stifer punk, if that makes sense, in terms of their values and stuff from what I've learned.
And so we just want to incorporate all those values into the collection.
And so then we came up with the Fallen.
And so it's kind of like the Fallen versus the Oni is like these two different ideologies that it's kind of, you could think of it almost like a Magneto and Xavier press professor
Xavier or something like that.
It's like,
you know,
and I think Bitcoin is like,
we want it to represent more of the,
even more of the decentralization,
anti-establishment,
anti,
you know,
like government controlling us,
that sort of stuff.
And so that's why we wanted to go with something that's a little more edgy,
you know?
Jessica, we hear your birds chirping there.
Oh man, I'm sorry.
Are those real birds?
Yeah.
That's cool.
I live in paradise.
He lives in paradise, literally.
Oh, shit.
Oh, wow.
Send me a picture. On the island. Oh, wow. Send me a picture.
On the island.
Oh, that's awesome.
That's cool.
I need to visit an island.
Yeah, we got you and me both.
You and me both.
I also wanted to talk about, you guys have been tweeting a lot about Black Mirror XP.
I wanted to talk about that.
I feel like that's a big move.
I don't know.
I'm really into Black Mirror the series.
I wasn't sure, though.
I'm like, are they talking about Black Mirror the show?
Yeah, so I don't know.
And you guys also collaborated with Kaze Creations.
I don't know how to pronounce that.
I think it's Kaze.
You obviously collabed with G-Coy as well. So I don't know how to pronounce that I think it's Kaze you obviously collabed
with GKoi as well so I don't know if you want to talk about these collabs and and what you guys are
building there yeah for sure I think um in terms of collabs in general the way we approach is like
always you know like values based first like is this a team we like is this this is a project we like is this the kind of thing that
that we would want to get behind obviously that that's the first important thing because
i think in web if you're in web 3 you're really you're building and you're kind of um
you're how do i put it in three, like if you are acting like,
you know,
what's going to happen,
you're lying.
Like we're literally all fucking making it up as we go along.
Like,
we're just like,
like,
I kind of actually realized web three is a turn-based RPG.
Like you,
you literally like,
you look at the field,
you have your like characters or your team or whatever.
You make an assessment on what you want to do. And have your like characters or your team or whatever you make an
assessment on what you want to do and then you like play your hand out and then you got to wait
because then you got to go back to building you see how the market reacts and then other people
take their turns like doing their shot whatever it is and then you adjust in between and so it's
like this constant game where every two months like the entire space is transformed. So number one, if you think you can create some master plan
where you're going to be like, you know, map it out all perfectly,
that's not going to happen.
So I think the way we approach collabs is more like relationship building.
So we like people, we like certain founders,
like G-Coy here on stage, like Black Mirror,
like obviously we love that brand.
And we just find a pro a way to
support if we can um or collaborate like do something cool together and i found that like
as you do that you get a chance to get to know the team you get a chance to build history together
and then as things evolve there's just natural natural fit for partnerships to go to the next level or whatever.
primary or pillars to our mission, which is one, is to be a home for artists and creativity.
Two is to be like a place for community. And then three is to actually be an example, a positive,
you know, leader and a positive force on the space where we can help lead
the space forward
into the future. Because again, we're very early in Web3. It's very degen, casino, Ponzi,
grifty, and, you know, I need to get the fuck out of here.
Sick of it.
Oh my God, you're like speaking all the words I'm saying.
sick of it you know it's tired of it it does bring me to this question because you see here
Sick of it.
I'm tired of it.
at gcoy we are we are we are so like head in and i would say like joshaka says this all the time
like they were so focused for years on building the product and they they for like not that they
forgot but like they didn't think hey maybe we should go on social media what would you tell
someone who's starting out now um like what you like you said, there is no real playbook and no one really knows how this ending
goes because it changes every week. But if you were, you know, building something right now,
how would you, like, where would be your focus today? And I mean, I know, you know,
that's a great question. But yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, this is a really important question because it's something I've reflected on for Only For Us a lot.
I think my biggest mistake since taking over a CEO is that I thought that if we built,
if we put our heads down, if we were like building, like people would come.
Right. And I thought the builders would be rewarded. And then like, after the first year,
I looked up and I'm like, huh, I'm like, okay, none of the builders are being rewarded. It's
not just only for us. I'm like, all the other people I see who are like legit, I'm like,
they're not exactly getting rewarded in the way that, you know would like to be right and and uh and then
i realized whether you like it or not it's it is an attention economy because the entire world is
an attention economy and web3 is like even more hyper attention economy i mean it's like high
school this is what web3 crypto is essentially. And so
you kind of have to accept that and you have to actually optimize towards getting attention.
But I think the challenge is if you're a builder is like, how do you get attention in a legitimate
way? Because actually the legitimate things don't attract people that much like the
the things where they might be able to make money quickly or whatever like is what attracts them
which is why they're attracted to like grifty people because grifty people are willing to
basically say fucking anything like they'll just promise anything literally and and so it sounds
better you know um so i think now the approach that we're focusing on moving forward is just, you know, again, I do actually believe we're entering into a builder's era finally.
So, like, thank goodness.
But I think it is actually getting attention, amplifying our values, and then just attract the people that we want like that align with the values and then just build a strong network and our own like kind of strength around that and then let it grow.
You know, and that's why, again, these partnerships, these sort of things matter, because, again, we want to we want to support everyone and be a part of a bigger a bigger whole network.
So I would say for like anyone starting, you got to learn how to get attention um you got to at least and also like
build the relationships with people who could help you get attention and then if you want to get more
nitty-gritty and the tactical stuff it's kind of more like be very clear about your mission be even
if it's going to evolve over time but like you at least have to be clear on what you're trying to accomplish and then what your values are. Like, make sure you
communicate that and then make sure that you're, you try to back up your values with your actions
and how you activate your community. Um, and then, um, probably your best ROI is investing your time in the relationships with the people who
will help signal like your value. Because one thing I learned from my friend who launched
Story Protocol, which was like one of the most successful token launches in a, you know,
recent history. He said, it's actually often, it's not the message,
it's the messenger. So if you want to get something out, if you want people to like,
buy into a concept, it's like, it's actually more effective if somebody else says it for you. And
it's somebody obviously that they respect or that they, they believe in. So I think building those
relationships are really critical.
And those aren't really easy to shortcut.
Like, that's why, like, that's where you want to engage with people,
get to know them, talk, like, meet them at events, like, you know,
really focus on the kind of people you want to attract to your tribe
and then do whatever you can to onboard them, you know?
Yeah, because, I mean, I made that mistake with G-Coy
because I'm coming at all of this social stuff from a different angle.
I'm an open source developer.
So Jishaka is an open source project that I spent like 10 years building.
It's a totally different concept.
It's not proof of talk it's proof of work
we write code we release code we get downloads i mean jishaka got like three million downloads
during the time i was actively developing it and social did not matter at all right and then
coming into this world here um where actually is everything, it's more than everything, right?
Because you kind of, when you're going to launch a product, you got to get your buyers first.
You got to build your community and then launch, right?
And yeah, for me, that was a huge learning experience.
experience um but i think we're doing good yeah i think the the i think the global trend
But I think we're doing good.
the reason why you have to just accept the attention economy is like and social media
as a tool for that is like what's going to happen in my opinion is that technology is going to
equalize where like the creation part of products is going to become very very cheap and very
democratized so what happens when everybody can vibe code the same exact app and everybody can
spin up a netflix that's exactly the same quality as netflix with the press of a button well then it
just comes down to who fucking gets their their out, who builds the best tribe, who builds the best community.
So actually, that's where I think Web3 founders are going to fucking accelerate because it's funny.
Like, I see I'm starting to see think pieces and articles from all the big VCs like, you know, like A16Z and stuff.
know um like a16z and stuff it's like the titans of of tech and they're like hey guys we we have
this amazing research result for you uh there's this thing called community like we think that a
community is really valuable to grow your brand potentially you guys should probably try and put
some attention towards that and we're like web 3 is like what like that's like literally all it is
is about community right like we don't think community is a buzzword. Like, we think
it's, it is the core of what we are. And so, and then on top of that, Web3 founders are just like,
we're 24 seven, like expectations are higher. Like the speed is faster. Like, honestly,
when I meet Web2 founders, I'm just like, you guys are like lazy. Like you guys have no fucking clue,
like, like what it would take to survive in web three, right? And like, it goes for the
community members as well. Like if you're in web three, and you haven't left, whether you're a
founder or just even just a holder, it's like, you're participating at a level and a speed and kind of detail that is kind of unheard of.
But again, as Web2 comes towards us, it's like we're going to see that these become the default values for everyone.
And so, yeah, I do believe that Web3 founders are going to have this competitive leg.
But again, that's why you got gotta just accept reality for it is attention economy
that's your you know core skill set that you have to create for yourself um because you can have a
shitty product frankly and no utility but if you're really good at getting attention you know
you're gonna you're gonna make some money so if the builders learn how to get attention then they
can actually create lots of value you know and so i think that's what what we how to get attention, then they can actually create lots of value, you know? And so I think that's what we need to get towards.
So you think we'll get over this phase of yaps and zits and...
I don't think so. I think it's never going away.
I think, I mean, that's another conversation.
I think we're...
Social fi.
Yeah, I think, well, it's kind of interesting
because we're constantly in bubbles, and
I realize the problem with Web3 is
our concept of
reality never matches
the real reality, and then
our concept of the future
is so
far from the reality of what it
takes that we don't really align.
Like, in 2021
everybody thought we would have a metaverse by now right like some sort of paradise we're in
the metaverse together we're you know trading our things whatever but it's like there's no
fucking metaverse to be seen unless you're in fortnight or you know something like that so
like i think like we're so far that these things will keep happening because we're essentially we're just iterating, we're learning, we're evolving, we're testing things out.
Like even the social five has evolved a lot from friend tech to whatever, you know, like it's it's it is evolving.
So it's not going to go away. But that's why I said I go back to nobody can predict what's going to happen.
That's why you just have to, like, kind of make your bet on what you think is valuable for you and then just execute it in a way that aligns with your values.
And, you know, hopefully the cards fall in the way that you would like. But I do think not being a grifter and not being like a shady founder or something is a competitive advantage over time.
I've always thought that because I think reputation and brand is a function of behavior over time.
And so I have noticed that the people who've been super grifty are like they're kind of getting phased out. They have way less influence than before. And also, like, you lose out on a lot of deals with people who are legitimate, who care about working with legitimate people.
Um, so I've always tried to position only for us to be ready for that time period.
And so, um, so yeah, with all that social pie, the yaps and stuff, it's like, just try
it out, you know, but I think only commit to the things that really align with what
your values and interests are.
And you're not always going to be right, but, um, at least if you do everything honestly then you can pivot and recover a lot easier when people
mask their intentions with hype or you know that sort of stuff like false promises that they don't
have any intention of even trying to fulfill I think they put themselves into a losing game a
spiral where it's like they're inevitably they're either going to crash out or they're going to get,
they're going to cash out and disappear, you know, or,
or they're going to like get canceled, you know? So, so yeah,
that's kind of my philosophy at least. I might be wrong by the way. I don't know.
I'm just, this is how we're moving.
Well, we're moving, that's for sure.
And yes, man, being a Web3 founder is like,
my phone is stapled to my head.
Spaces take up more than half my day.
Following up on tweets, replying to people,
doing giveaways, posting contests.
It is like all consuming, right?
Compared to my open source development job was just like zero social interaction.
Spent like three, four weeks writing some code, do a release.
Bam, look at my downloads.
It was so stress-free.
But you're right if you can succeed in um web 3 um one of my
partners he does construction and you know we were just talking about the model where you know
instead of building the product and putting it out there you go there and you get all the buyers and
then you say here's a cool product and it's actually a very, like you're saying, maybe the VCs are finally figuring it out that this is why I think VCs have one in 40 companies succeed.
The other 39 are total write-offs.
Right.
It's because they're all building the product and then putting it out there and then trying to get customers.
And usually by that time, you run out of money, right? Well, that's the beauty of AI is you can test stuff out and then find out if there's interest.
And then, yeah.
So, again, I just think the era of abundance is here.
And it just means you just got to stay in the flow and you got to test, try these things and see what works for you.
For real, 100%.
So what's next for Oni?
Are you going to drop anything on a different chain
after your ordinals, or are you going to stick to it?
Well, next is this virtual launch is our next big thing,
which we pin to the Jumbotron.
OK, sorry.
Did you see this thing?
It's ERC-721AI?
Yes.
I wonder if I came across that on an ONI post or something.
Yeah.
What is that about?
So that's actually the centerpiece of everything that we're building out.
That's the new smart contract standard for ETH NFTs.
So all EVM compatible NFTs,
we're changing them from being like dumb JPEGs that are static,
illiquid to smart assets.
So smart tokens.
And so basically in a nutshell your nft which never had any real
utility by the way guys like it's literally a glorified house key it's like the the way the
game worked was like i'm gonna sell you an nft it's a jpeg and i'm gonna i call it jpegs with
a promise is i promise you i'm gonna find value
for you and it's gonna make it worth it and then you just make up a bunch of bullshit around it
to entice people to keep holding their nfts and not sell it right um but as we've discovered it's
like really fucking hard to build a billion dollar company that actually generates the type of revenue that could get filtered back to holders that justifies them spending like five, six, seven figures on an asset.
Right. Because and then and then why I call it like a glorified house key is like you you lock all these like this quote utility into a room and you're like, okay, the NFT is what you need to unlock this room
where you get the stuff inside.
And it's like, it's really actually totally fake.
It's arbitrary.
There's no value.
As art, I think there's value.
Unless you're G-Coy.
Unless you're G-Coy.
We got that part covered.
Exactly.
Million dollar value.
No, yeah.
But I think the value is art.
I think that's why you can even still see art doing well in bear markets because art is art.
There's no other fucking promise other than this thing looks dope and maybe someday somebody's going to buy it from you.
But in terms of utility, now with the 721AI, you'll finally be able to store things with your NFTs because I realized actually NFTs are a superior wrapper to actually keep track of all the things you own.
So now the NFT, instead of being the house key, becomes the house. like whether it's other NFTs you hold in your wallet or, you know, tokens that you're farming
or XP or, you know, training an agent, like all these things can now get stored on chain
and verified with your NFT. So that way, you know, like, like if you were to sell it,
you can sell it for more, hopefully, because you've done more things with it.
Like, I'll just give you one example and then actually
I'll have to go soon sorry but
is like Naruto
like one of my favorite animes I realize
there's three versions of him
right there's the kid
there's the young adult and then there's the dad
version of Naruto it's all the same
guy by the way
however it's the same IP but
kind of the way that it would be
structured today is like in web 3 is like or historically it'd be like you'd
probably sell an NFT of the young one and then like the like all three
versions of separate NFTs essentially and like I don't like that because if I
own the Naruto IP and I'm gonna profit from it I don't want somebody else
potentially owning my another version of him, right?
Like I want all of the versions of Naruto.
And so now with this new technology, you'll be able to have your character evolve over time.
So like literally the art can evolve.
Like you go from like over like a 15 year period, you could go go from a young boy to an adult.
And then all the previous versions of him
can be stored in your wallet with the NFT.
So now the future collector can be like,
oh, you have all the versions.
Or you can use Pokemon as an example too.
So you have all the evolutions of this character
in one NFT.
This is clearly worth more than the other NFT
where they never played with it
or they never used it in the video games or that sort of stuff or develop the storyline more.
So I think like that's a very simple use case for this new technology, but it's going to
apply to every vertical because essentially you're just making, again, the NFT able to
interact with AI agents, with APIs, with webhooks, take off-chain stuff and put it on-chain.
It's going to be great for gaming, I think,
is probably the biggest use case,
but it could go into many different industries
where essentially you want the NFT being this
packet of information that you can send around,
whether it's trading or just using it for infrastructure,
and then that contains all the things you need.
It could contain seed phrases.
It could contain, you know, like access to things, you know.
So, yeah, it's quite interesting, actually.
That's where we're headed in the future.
So if it's a smart NFT, what if, it decides it doesn't like me so that's a danger
that that is possible um i think the thing we don't realize is we're actually making the earliest
like versions of intelligence and and so unfortunately um you know these things could
happen in the future i mean our nfts won't that probably won't happen because they're like just
assets that you control that you could write the contract but in the future yeah i mean somebody
could make a self-evolving nft that they haven't they decide to code in zero like control and then
it'll just like send it off that's why actually this eva um character for us is a very interesting experiment because her identity is going to be shaped by what she sees on Twitter and how she engages with people.
It's just like a mirror to humanity.
And so I kind of told my team, I was like, well, we don't want her to become a Nazi.
So we probably need to program some core values
in her which are like she's a good person like she's she's generally like gonna be positive like
you know i mean because otherwise like like unfortunately twitter is not exactly a full
representation of of humanity right and we don't want it to be it is better than reddit though i
would it's better than reddit there's like like, better than 4chan, I think.
But, you know, yeah.
But, yeah, no, it's...
I'm more excited about the future than ever.
I think 721AI is going to actually help NFTs become, like,
live up to the promise of what they said that they were going to be back in 2021.
So, yeah, very excited for it.
And it's definitely going to be coming soon to a theater near you.
Oh, my God.
What a great convo, Star Lordy.
We've exceeded a lot of time, but this was so great, so fun.
I know you've got to hop off.
We did pick a winner.
So I just want to say we picked an only winner while i was you know listening to this convo uh we're giving it to um let me get her
her profile here lkm land crypto she's still in the space um so i'm excited we're gifting you and
well i'm saying gifting but you won right it was she won uh she won an only so i'm excited. We're gifting you. Well, I'm saying gifting, but you won, right?
She won.
She won an Oni.
So I'm excited for her.
I don't know if she can come up and speak.
Okay, I'm inviting her to speak.
Really, you know, really pumped.
I'm happy to be gifting.
Woo-hoo!
Congratulations!
You don't ever get to sell it, by the way.
That was in the fine print. Sorry.
He told it forever. It gets vaulted.
That's the way it works.
Hey, LK!
Hey, LK!
Hi! Thank you so much.
I'm so excited.
Yes!
Yeah, this is like the part of the show, like,
so how do you feel now that you own
an oni yes come on down the price is right as well is it the actual one in the picture
as well because that's beautiful yes yes yes it's that one yeah oh i'm glad that you do
nfts yeah i love nfts and i keep them all and I've got, no, I love it.
I can't wait to dive deeper and then all about it.
No, thank you so much.
I just did this two hour drive back from a vet appointment for my dog
and I've been on the road this whole time
and I saw the space and started listening and I just got home.
So this is wonderful.
So thank you.
It made my day.
Congratulations.
You're a winner.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. thank you so much the dog was what swung the boat what's that we love dog lovers
the dog was what swung the boat i hope your dog's okay i hope your dog's okay she just got out the
door she's too excited yeah she's um i've got a couple of dogs this one she's okay. She just got out the door. She's too excited. Yeah, she's um, I've got a couple of dogs. This one she's too, but she's got a neurological
had her annual exam, but we're looking to get her fitted with some wheels things.
So that's an exciting thing to get her a bit more mobile. So very cool.
Oh, poor baby well it's her nft as much as yours now so yes no that's perfect thank you i'm just outside the
back because they just ran out the front door so they they run into the neighborhood. But thank you. I'm very excited.
I love the,
I can't wait to,
I'm actually new to this project.
So I'm definitely want to dive deeper.
I always like to learn about things.
Yep.
Welcome.
Well,
definitely happy to have you and thanks for joining and any questions you
have,
definitely you could ask me or Bobby,
et cetera.
And yeah, looking forward to it
no thank you and i love listening to um what you were all talking about community i really um that
really resonates i think with me and i think anyone that's been listening in this space for
several years or around this space for several years you realize how important that is and how
around this space for several years, you realize how important that is and how, um,
that's really what matters, right? The character behind a project is really
what should be part of DYOR actually.
Hmm. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'd love to learn more about what you're working on as well.
Oh, I'm just, uh, I'm just a kind of a lurker.
Okay, cool. We got a lot of those in the space.
Spaces is like Spotify, right? It of replaces spotify for a lot of people so i just listen and i really enjoy listening to projects
and um just learning about them and i've got a ton of nfts i love unfortunately a ton of nfts
from years ago that do nothing now so exactly what you were saying now really resonates that
i think it's a different game now not game that's wrong amazing it is a different game now yeah yeah 100 well i'm so
sorry i gotta i'm like actually running late now so i gotta jump on this call but i really appreciate
it was a great space fantastic conversation really really loved, actually. So happy to come on any time in the future.
Thanks for hosting. You guys are amazing.
Yeah, I appreciate you so much.
Thank you so much, Star Lordy.
We'll chat in the DMs, of course.
And I'm going to close this out.
We ran it long.
So really, really grateful for you, Star Lordy, and your time.
We tried to get this space going for a couple of weeks now,
but I'm happy because there was so much to talk about.
So perfect timing.
And yeah, thank you to everyone for being here.
Stay tuned.
We'll be back next week with another incredible team,
founder project.
We'll see who it is.
Stay tuned because we will be gifting more NFTs.
I'm saying the word gift, but Jashaka,
I don't think that's a good word
because they're earning it, right?
They're doing all the steps to get this NFT.
So thank you everyone for being here.
We'll see you when we see you.
And I'm going to reach out to Elke in just a second
to get her wallet address
and give her this incredible Oni.
So thank you all for being here.
Yeah, we'll see you when we see you.
Take care.
Stay hydrated. Thank you.
