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Zebec x Privy x Hypernative: Building AML Compliant Payment Structure
Recorded: Dec. 12, 2025 Duration: 0:36:18Space Recording
Short Summary
Zebek announces strategic partnerships with Privy and HyperNative, enhancing its infrastructure for stablecoin payroll solutions and compliance measures. The integration with Stripe marks a significant trend in Web3 adoption, paving the way for seamless transactions and yield opportunities in the evolving crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, all right, Ben, what's going on?
Just want to do a quick mic check before we start.
Yes, indeed.
How are you, sir?
Pretty good.
Can't complain.
It's Friday.
You know, it is good. It you know it is good it is it is it is indeed uh so
i'm good yep i'm here mic check works for me i can see cam up at the moment with us hi cam how
you doing hey guys i'm good how are you very well thank you great to meet you in person how's it
going doing well not in person but you know what I mean. I can hear your voice.
Yep. Great to hear.
Great. Okay. So we've got a good mic check on from you.
And so we are still waiting for Alex from Hypernative and also, of course, our very own Simon.
He'll be with us in a second.
Yeah. And we also, Priy should be joining as well so um once we see
them come in i'll you know i'll start adding them as speakers cool yeah cam is from privy but you
mean the privy account right privy account yeah there we go there we go got you i see it i see
um and then we've got simon i can see i'm going to invite to speak as well
i hope everyone's doing well it's um it's friday there are two weeks less than two weeks now until
christmas day if you celebrate uh so you know we're on we're on wind-up time i think for the
year um i say that and then i caught up with simon yesterday and
by no means on wind up time there's still lots happening i can see alex also in the audience
i'm going to invite him up as a speaker and simon is up also look at that we have a full house so
let's just finish with our mic checks i know cam is here alex how are you sir mic check good morning good morning
how's it hi yep sounding good how you doing all right great yeah thanks for having me well no
thank you for joining us really appreciate it um and then that just leaves us with simon hello simon
how are you simon happy friday ben there he is twice in 24 hours i feel blessed yes
how are you to see everyone on today yeah good stuff hey so we've got a nice house already got
133 here um we'll try and lift those numbers up a little bit i will ask everyone in the audience
if you could do me a favor hit the purple pill in the bottom right hand corner of your listening
device uh and drop us a like and a repost um perhaps even a comment drop a gm i'm sure jj
would love to answer all of those and uh and yeah we can um we can get a few more people in here
before we get moving we are at one minute past.
We're going to try and keep this one at half an hour today.
Lots of cover.
So I'm going to jump in with things and just say, first of all, Simon, how are you?
How are things?
What's good?
What's happening at Zebek?
Oh, Simon, you're keeping me... Are you there?
Oh, he's dropped down as a listener.
Goodness me.
Right, let's invite him back up.
There he is.
I am back.
Apologies.
Goodness, you had me worried for a minute there.
I thought I was going to have to freestyle for five minutes.
How are you?
How are things at Zebek?
I've been finishing the year really strong i think um
lots of great things coming out now before the holidays as we're in our year-end sprint
absolutely and you and i caught up yesterday and i kind of got a sense of where that's going
really really exciting some some fantastic announcements i'm going to go back and
see if i can pin one up in a moment while you're introducing. I think before we get
into kind of like meeting our guests and talking about, you know, the things I've planned for us
to chat about today, I wondered if maybe you could frame this show for us today, just so people get
a sense of like why we're all here and what we're talking about. Absolutely. I mean, today's space
is really an exciting one.
We are joined by two of our newest partners at Zbeck,
the Privy Wallet team and, of course, the HyperNative team.
Both are key elements of Zbeck's future infrastructure that we're building towards.
So today we really want to get into the details
of what this partnership means for the Zbeck network,
for our users, for our clients, and where we see this going next year.
Ben, are you there?
God, I was just speaking. I was talking. I was through a sentence and I wasn't even off mute.
I apologize. JJ, I wondered if while I'm just asking Simon about this bit, if you could pin
the announcement post to the top, because there was an announcement earlier this week. I saw that
regarding the partnership with Privy, which is awesome. Maybe before we get into that,
maybe just give me a sense of why that partnership matters right now.
So there's a lot that we're excited for.
I mean, the Privy partnership is in its infancy.
But the key element here is the integration of the Privy wallet infrastructure in the Zbeck Super App.
And after extensive due diligence and review of lots of different providers on the market,
the Privy and Stripe solution made the most sense for Zbeck for a number of reasons.
So if you really think about our product ecosystem and our core use case of payroll,
there are benefits on both what I would call the employee and the employer side.
We need to see demand and interest from both for us to get the growth that we want. So Privy really works as an embedded
wallet. So users are able to onboard via social logins. They don't need to worry about management
of private keys. It all happens in the background. So that way, the onboarding experience is
incredibly seamless. You don't even feel like you're using a Web3 infrastructure layer at some
points. And then on the employer side, as we're working with larger enterprises and institutions,
it becomes incredibly important that we work with fully compliant, you know, battle-tested solutions
such as Privy, which of course, being part of the industry giant Stripe, really extends our mission
extends our mission globally to everywhere that Stripe touches in the world.
globally to everywhere that Stripe touches in the world.
Okay, that's amazing.
And yeah, I'm just sort of familiarizing myself now with the partnership
also between Privy and Stripe and how that's going there.
Maybe, you know, you can give us just a little bit of color.
So like, this is another huge institutional player making
a move in this space right and Privy is the um is you know the the product that is running out
there but those rails in the background that's I mean it's really really exciting in terms of
more infrastructure coming to the space and um and what that means exactly I mean Stripe alone
is arguably one of the most significant payment networks globally,
processing upwards of $1.4 trillion in annual payment volume across, I think, 40 countries.
So Stripe's acquisition of Privy is a signal that Web3 infrastructure adoption is happening at scale.
And with Zbeck being part of this stack, alongside Circle, of course, with USDC payments now live across the Stripe network as well,
it's an important indicator as to who is actually best positioned in the current stablecoin race that we're seeing around the world.
Okay, I love that. I'm going to invite Cam up now. Hi, Cam again. How are you doing? Thanks for your patience.
cam again how are you doing thanks for your patience no problem um maybe a very quick
No problem.
introduction to you and privy if you like but also like i'll let you just segue straight into
my first question that i've got for you which is like from a product point of view what makes privy
the best wallet solution for teams trying to onboard non-crypto native users yeah sure yeah
it's a quick intro i'm cam i lead enterprise and fintech at Privy.
I've been with the company for about eight months now. And prior to Privy, I was at MasterCard for
three years, building out a lot of our stablecoin work there. And then in terms of Privy, Simon did
a great job of summarizing what we do. But yeah, we're wallet infrastructure. We help companies
build better crypto enabled products while making users oftentimes forget they're using crypto in the first place.
So we do a lot of work around abstraction.
We work with some of the leading neobanks, payment providers, remittance apps, consumer apps, and a lot of the top crypto native apps as well.
And we're essentially an API that allows companies to programmatically provision wallets for their end customers with a fully configurable and flexible
setup. The wallets can be embedded and white-labeled into your existing app.
And then with Privy, customers can issue and manage these wallets so that customers can move
funds seamlessly between dollars, other fiat currencies, stable coins, and other digital
assets all through a simple set of APIs. And what we're seeing is companies using Privy
to build out a dollar-denominated account system that can be the foundation for their supercharge,
like neobanking and remittance app experience. So we're seeing a lot of use cases around dollar
store value products, yield, multi-currency support, card spend, and a number of other
capabilities. And Privy, with our flexible infrastructure,
helps enable all of this. So we have a super robust policy engine. We have support for a
number of different chains and assets. And we are able to support different custodial models,
meaning we can provision non-custodial wallets, custodial walls,
and then we have hybrid custody where you can toggle back and forth between these setups.
And flexible custody is really the key here because you're able to serve different use cases and different users all over the globe. So this is really why Privy is leading the charge
on the fintech and enterprise side. I love that. How much of your work at Privy is kind of focused on R&D?
Like, because I assume you're having to like augment and build out this product infrastructure
in line with kind of some of the requests and expectations of some massive partners that
you're working with, right? Like, can you give a few examples as well of some of those partners
that you've been building with? Yeah, no, it's a great point and a great question.
So we're often kind of the tip of the spear,
meaning we are meeting with some of the largest companies in the world
and we're one of the first conversations they're having
when they're exploring how to enable stablecoins in crypto rail.
So we often act as design partners with our customers,
meaning we work side by side with them to understand their use case, understand their requirements, and we shape our product with our customers, meaning we work side-by-side with them to understand their use case,
understand their requirements,
and we shape our product around our customers.
That's another reason why Privy
is continuing to be the leader in this space
is we work side-by-side with our customers
to move the space in the direction
where enterprises need to be.
So in terms of some of the customers we serve today,
on the crypto-native side,
we're working with companies like Hyperliquid,
PumpFun, Blackbird, OpenSea. On the fintech and enterprise side, we're serving customers.
We made an announcement yesterday, a partnership with Klarna. We are serving companies like
Dakota and many other fintechs across the use cases I mentioned earlier, like neobanking,
payroll, for example, remittances. So we continue
to lead the charge in this space. I love that. Kalana, that's a huge one. Congrats, guys. That
is so many transactions. And Simon and I have been talking about kind of agentic e-commerce and
things like that, lots of all kinds of conversations in the background. And so to hear that you're
kind of clipped into that, it's really, really exciting. Absolutely. Simon, I want to quickly
come to you before I then jump over to the guys at Hypernative. You know, where does, I mean,
and Cam just mentioned it, payroll, like specifically, where does payroll start to
benefit from like invisible wallet infrastructure and things like that? Well,
the key here really is about creating a seamless experience for the users where they don't even
feel that this is a crypto product or a stablecoin product that they're using. And
that's really where Privy and its connection to Stripe excels. I mean, when you think about it,
if employees are receiving stablecoins in real time through Zabek Payroll, and then it can
connect directly to Stripe where payments can also be made for e-commerce purchases using stablecoins in real time through Zbeck Payroll. And then it can connect directly to Stripe,
where payments can also be made for e-commerce purchases using stablecoins. At what point do
you even need to use a credit card anymore, right? It's all going to be run out of your
privy wallet that'll be embedded within the Zbeck Super App. So that way you can live life without a
bank account, right? Which is one of our ultimate goals here at Zabag is to bring all of finance on chain in a real time way. Yeah, incredible. And, you know, I guess we're
getting to the stage now. And I wondered if you could comment on that, like, this direction is
becoming inevitable, right? As opposed to speculative. Exactly. I mean, these are huge
moves we're seeing in the industry. This is a vote of
confidence of what we've been building quietly for years is now in the mainstream, right? We're
working with the biggest companies in the world. We're integrating with the biggest payment networks
and for real-time stablecoin payroll to truly achieve mass adoption, it needs to be completely
seamless, as I said before, because the hook that gets users and employers to switch
is the fact that it's a real-time payment. It's not that it's a stablecoin payment or a fiat
payment. It's the fact that these payments can happen in real time. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I want to, and Cam, thank you so much for your contribution. I'll come back to you shortly,
but I just want to touch on some things now with the guys, Alex specifically, from Hypernative.
But before I do, Simon, just a question I've got.
It struck me like we're now working with, when I say we, Zebek, are working with Hypernative.
Can you just give me a little kind of introduction to that?
Because I know we also acquired GateKnox earlier this year,
right? So I just wondered if you could maybe like clarify that relationship.
No, it's a great question. Obviously, GateKnox was one of our key acquisitions in 2025.
GateKnox is a specialist in KYC and KYB solutions, which have now been integrated across the Zbex
stack.
But where HyperNative fits in is really an area where we did not have that in-house expertise,
and that is wallet screening and AML, so anti-money laundering.
If you want to work with institutions in the payment space,
there is no question that your AML processes must be rock solid.
HyperNative is the industry leader in this, hence why we brought them on and we'll be integrating them across the Zbeck Super Apps and Zbeck Cards in the coming weeks.
Love that. Alex, hello, Alex from HyperNative. How are you doing?
Good, good. Good morning. Mic check again.
Mic check again. Thanks so much for your patience. It's great to get over to you now because,
and it's great for Simon to give us that context. I mean, maybe you can, I'm sure you're going to do it in much better words than I or Simon could introduce HyperNative, but also give a little bit of insight as the market leader, why it's kind of top of the pile when it comes to really solid wallet screening and anti-money laundering like Simon just mentioned.
Yeah, sure. Thanks. It's been a great chat so far. I'm just taking one step back on context here. I've started my career in financial services, but spent the last decade in cyber and the last eight years
in on-chain cyber and institutional crypto, doing everything across the on-chain infrastructure
stack and go-to-market functions.
So that's why I'm here now.
And I've had an inside joke with a friend of mine from the industry from back in the
day that we felt like the two early guys, like the two early guys where we've been saying
like the institutions are coming, institutions are coming for years and years and years, but we're finally at that inflection point where we're seeing a realized
end user value, a value accumulation and extraction in the market.
It's just super exciting time to be part of things and to,
to partner with the Zabek team.
So tying into the question on,
on like hyper native and what we do,
we were born out of the on-chain security space.
So this is real-time monitoring for smart contract security.
And we quickly realized how extensible these capabilities were to additional use cases around compliance, risk management, so on and so forth. So in the past several years, we've grown our
footprint to working with not just the largest protocols, chains, and crypto organizations,
but also the largest institutions in the world, the largest PSPs, the largest GSIBs. We're seeing
now production level, production grade projects come to market, many of which are breaking the news, many of which are
yet to break the news. So from a wallet screen and AML standpoint, this is a critical element.
My general thesis is that we're just observing a market convergence between Web2, Web3, TradFi,
DeFi, whatever you want to call it. But this is not necessarily like reinventing the wheel.
It's just taking novel financial and infrastructure paradigms associated with blockchain and applying
those to, in many ways, legacy and proven business models so that we're proving more
efficiency, more value, more end user benefit, so on and so forth.
end user benefit, so on and so forth.
You also asked a question about what we do from a wallet screening,
AML compliance standpoint, and this is something I'm really excited about.
One of the reasons we've been so successful is this proven and unique ability
to deliver preventative and proactive security compliance and risk management measures.
So it's this concept of real time,
real time, real time. If you talk to anyone on our team, you'll hear this a lot. And what does
that mean? Well, from a traditional vendor or service provider perspective in our space and
those that we're competing with, they do some things quite well, but we've taken these capabilities to the next level and been able to deliver
a real-time element to the protections and benefits that we're providing operations like
Zbeck and their end users. So when you talk about detecting wallet behavior, transaction risk before
execution or settlement, these are all important things that can be accomplished at various levels,
but no one's doing that in such a fashion as hyper-native, where we're able to reliably
predict and prevent issues in advance of their occurrence. And then furthermore,
a unique attribute is actually monitoring, alerting, and allowing our customers and partners
like Zbeck to be notified in real time as changes occur in the environment,
to their operations, to their interactions.
So it's not about just, hey, am I interacting with an entity that's good or bad?
It's how is that interaction changing over time based on external variables, external
factors, things that you wouldn't otherwise know or see without using our service.
And the result to tie it all back together is now
we're having a ton of success with the largest institutional enterprise-grade
providers in the world. It's hugely exciting to be part of.
Amazing. I mean, it's so important. And I guess we're at a stage where the kind of like there's just a zero tolerance now for illicit flows and, you know, the kind of laundering, terrorist financing.
And so to be kind of at the epicenter of all of those things now is so, so important as I guess the rest of the space starts to get to grips with the infrastructure that it needs to build in order
for us to kind of keep progressing and moving this thing forward. So it must be a really,
really exciting space to build in for you guys. One other just quick point, since you mentioned
it as a tie-in, it is, and that's partially because like having been in cyber for so long,
it's often, and risk management and compliance for so long, it's often looked as like a cost center.
But we've had a unique ability to help our customers impact their time, their top line
business by growing incremental services, providing value added features and capabilities
that in some cases they can charge for in other ways.
It just helps them compete from a more differentiated way.
So from like a venture value standpoint, in terms of what we're
offering our partners in the market, it's a lot more than just like protecting the business,
which is critical, but it's also about enabling and fueling it for future growth.
Yeah, fantastic. Simon, this must have been non-negotiable at your end, right?
It has, especially when you look back on 2025 for
ZBEC. It's really been the year of the institution for us. I mean, we brought on many big institutional
partners, you know, names like Deutsche Bank, of course, which we brought on in an integration back
in September. And when you work with financial institutions of this level, you can't have a 95%
success rate when it comes to AML and, and, you know,
stopping money laundering. That's why we went with, um, with hyper native because they can
bring us a hundred percent success. Yeah, absolutely. Love that. Um, uh, just very
quickly back to you then, Alex, and then I've got a similar question for, uh, for Cam actually,
are you seeing lots of like institutional opportunity like this? Like what's
exciting you in the market right now in terms of the way you're developing your product and
pointing it to potential customers and consumers? Yeah, sure. I mean, it's rhetorical because the
obvious question is yes, but like, what does that mean on the ground? So I'm part of the go-to-market organization or the field as it's colloquially been called.
And I've always considered myself and my team
an earpiece from the market to product and R&D.
So it's our job to help our innovation stay ahead
of the market and add undeniable value to our clients
before anyone else can,
before anyone that we're competing with
can. So what does that mean in the context of your question? Well, we recently recapitalized
the business last May from two of the leading cybersecurity and risk VCs in the world.
So these are not crypto native investors. These are institutional investors, because we've seen an evolution from on-chain activity
at the institutional enterprise level being funded by innovation groups and center of
excellence and whatever you might want to call it to in the recent years and even months,
there's dedicated BUs with nine-figure P&Ls and traditional buying centers being hacked, exploited,
taken advantage of, or otherwise an unforeseen consequence. So this is just like
institutions are coming again. I've been saying it for a long time. The institutions are here,
long time. The institutions are here. And that's what makes it so extremely compelling.
I love that. And it sounds a lot like Simon when I speak with him. That institutions are coming
line is one that we are getting familiar with now. And Cam, oh, no, go on. Sorry, I don't know.
I didn't want to interrupt. Last comment. It's so fun to be in the space on the front lines of this
because we can read about things in the news.
But it's people like Cam and myself and Simon and the team and our partners in the ecosystem that are behind the closed doors, seeing what's actually being built before it's coming to market.
And if you can't hear it in my voice, I'm bullish. Like, it's just a lot of fun and super exciting.
Yeah. Love to see that. Really enjoying, you know, seeing how the whole thing will play out.
Cam, a very quick question to you because then I want to ask the three of you,
and you can all answer it independently, a little bit of a kind of like, you know,
forecasting, get your crystal ball out into the future question.
But just from your side of things, Cam, what are you most excited about in the market right now?
just from your side of things cam what are you most excited about in the market right now
you know we're obviously we're talking here a lot about institutions building infrastructure for
you know some of the things that i guess you know a lot of people might take for granted but they do
take a lot of building and pulling together etc what what kind of um yeah what elements are you
starting to get really really excited about that you're seeing come to the fore?
Yeah, I would echo a lot of what Alex said.
So I've also been in the space now for quite some time.
And I remember back in like 2018, there was a lot of POCs.
There was a lot of exploratory conversations.
But we're seeing actual live production use cases now, specifically on the institutional side.
actual live production use cases now, specifically on the institutional side.
In terms of what I'm most excited about, I'm extremely excited about stable coins and the
use cases that are being built on top of stable coins.
So we have pretty think stable coins provide a global dollar building block.
So we are extremely excited about not just having the stablecoin sandwich flow where institutions had previously been using stablecoins as a middle conversion.
So you go from fiat to stablecoins back to fiat.
I'm excited about how we then now transition to more of an on-chain economy where you're receiving stable coins and you can actually start using your stable coins, meaning you can spend it with a card anywhere
that Visa or MasterCard is accepted through programs like Bridge and Rain and Kalipa.
You can earn yield on your stable coin balances so you don't have to immediately off-ramp.
So I'm extremely excited about how we now take the next step as an industry and make
this technology
extremely useful for people who really need it. So, you know, a lot of the work that Zbeck is
doing is paying out contractors and gig workers in emerging markets who, you know, have extremely
unstable currencies. And for them, this is extremely impactful. So they're able to get
dollar access. They're able to get their pay on time and early in some instances. They're able to have the crypto wallet really be their bank
account and start using it in a way that is extremely important in terms of how they can
start saving money and growing their wealth. So I'm extremely excited about the real world
use cases that are happening. Yes, so am I. So are we. i love that um i'm going to ask the three of your
questions i'm going to ask you first simon because um you know how we you know how i like to get
everyone to look into the future i'm really curious particularly given the context of the
two guests that we've had on today and these new partnerships five years out when people look at
this moment what do you think they will say it
enabled particularly when it comes to this kind of tech and what does the future start to look like
when it comes to decentralized finance like the you know the future the infrastructure around
commerce and banking and you know the future of money great question i mean i'd say taking all of this into
summation um our integration with privy is really an inflection point for zebek um as we open up our
product base to more and more retail users i mean throughout most of our history we've primarily
been serving businesses um but with the launch of the Super App through a phased rollout starting in January, we're going to see more and more retail users start to work with Zbeck, almost like a neobank, like a fintech app.
And that is really how we're able to scale what we're doing on the payroll side as well.
So in my view, it's a critical juncture for us in our growth.
So in my view, it's a critical juncture for us in our growth.
And then, of course, the integration with HyperNative rounds out what has been really the biggest compliance year for ZBEC.
We've obviously achieved a lot of the major compliance certifications that institutions require to work with us this year.
But bringing in this top tier AML tech rounds out everything as we go into 2026.
top tier AML tech rounds out everything as we go into 2026. I've never been more confident in our
product stack that it really is the best in the industry and that we can continue to work with
you know bigger and bigger firms around the world. Thank you Simon I appreciate that and
and I'm really looking forward to 2026. Cam I'm going to come to you next. Next five years
being privy is unlocking such potential for, you know, decentralized applications, partnerships, activations between brands, you know, crypto native brands and brands that just want to dip their toe in the water.
There's so much that you can start to unlock and doing so in a way where people don't need to be crypto native to understand what they're doing.
What do you think the next five years starts to look like when it comes to kind of unlocking the potential for brands, businesses and consumers?
Yeah, it's a great question. There's a few things I could talk about. I'll mention that I think
you're going to see a proliferation of stable coins around the globe in the next five years.
And many people would not even know they're using stablecoins. We're working with a number of customers who are completely abstracting away the concept
of blockchain and crypto, and they're just using the technology in the background because
it's so impactful.
I think users will not even need to know they're using crypto in the next five years.
It'll all be happening under the hood, completely abstracted away through a lot of the work
that Privy is doing and Zabek is doing.
I think one thing I'll talk about is around the payroll use case, because we
are extremely excited about it.
And we're extremely excited about the work that Zbeck is doing.
I think I'm really excited to see payroll connect to like DeFi primitives in the future
to enable like wage-based financing in an affordable and globally accessible way so
that you can start to disintermediate local
banking partners, which are obviously very cumbersome and expensive in a lot of countries.
So I'm extremely excited about how this payroll use case continues to evolve so we can start
paying out employees around the world in stable coins and in crypto and then enable them to earn
yields, spend via card, and then, as I mentioned, connect to DeFi primitives to start, you know,
get very affordable and accessible financing. So that's one use case I'm particularly excited about.
Love that. Cam, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Alex, I'm going to come to you. Final,
final question for the day, and then we can wrap up. Next five years, particularly when you
consider the kind of the position that you guys are in and the, you know, you're building from a security and, you know, almost like a regulatory kind of perspective.
What do you think the next five years looks like? And where does HyperNative really kind of like tap into that?
Great. Yeah, happy to bring us home. So I'll relate this to a theme of assimilation. So I think we're in a phase of convergence, like I talked about earlier, in terms of technology and business models. But five years from now, these will be fully assimilated. So Simon's opening comments on, hey, we want this to be like blockchain, a blockchain blind experience. This is all about the user experience.
This is, it's all about assimilation.
So five years from now, it doesn't matter.
The user, it won't matter to the user.
They won't care what protocol, what chain, whatever they're running on.
It's all about how delighted are they with the experience.
And I believe it to be more delightful, not just from like an interface standpoint, but
the level of efficiency that can be extracted and delivered from like a venture like Zbeck
is one that gets those benefits get passed on to the end users.
And to just tie that back into what we're doing at Hibernative, there's historically
been a tradeoff between security and convenience.
But again, I think these things assimilate where we
have the ability to do both at the same time. And the critical element to that is the ability for
us to help deliver real-time ongoing insights to our customers in a way that just benefits what
they want to do with the application that they're interfacing with. So I'll say it a few
more times again, but five years from now, full assimilation of the market capabilities,
infrastructure, everything. I'm super excited. Very, very excited. Alex, really appreciate your
time. Want to be respectful of it. So thank you so much for coming up and joining us again today.
Cam, same for you. Really, really appreciate you taking the time. Great to speak with people with such insight and experience.
So thank you so much for that.
And Simon, obviously to you, really, really appreciate your time
and thanks for coming up and giving us a bit more color
for this amazing partnership.
Thanks, everyone.
It's been a great one.
Yeah, appreciate that.
JJ, wrap us up.
Absolutely.
Thanks, everybody, for joining.
Thanks, HyperNative.
Thanks, Privy. Obviously, thanksNative. Thanks, Privy.
Obviously, thanks, Simon and Ben, for hosting.
And we'll catch you guys on the next one.
Have a great weekend, and we'll be chatting soon.
See you.
That's good.
Bye-bye.
