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45B's Cardano Design Centre, call #11 - Project Q&A
Recorded: Aug. 28, 2026 Duration: 1:39:31Space Recording
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The.
Hello. Good afternoon. Welcome. You're welcome to come up.
Nice to see you here. I trust you can see a button to come up, right?
Hello. Hey, Lucas. How are you? Hey. Nice to hear you. All good. I am, as usual, running around.
I can't think of anything to say. Perfect. No worries. And you? Ah, well, fine, fine.
Just not on my best day. I have some headache and some stuff. But yeah, that's. I beyond that, I am.
I am great. Yeah, make sure you're not over stressing yourself. Like you, you did a piece of pie,
right? I I heard Quasar yesterday saying that was huge success because it got you to come to
X Spaces and all, and it's good to see you here. Cool. By the way, I sent him an invite.
Maybe he's he's busy. So yes, I mean that was very very interesting. The all that piece
of pie hackathon experience was very interesting. Being able to to build in like in Powlic,
sharing every week the the work, and also running some spaces to to share our space
with other builders. Yeah, that was was fun and interesting. Probably gave you an opportunity
to do something different, right, from from Game Changer. Although the Game Changer was probably
under the engine of everything, right? Yes, that's it. That's it. Yeah, I mean,
was was the opportunity to make an application that I was thinking on doing, anyways,
but suddenly the piece of pie hackathon appeared, and I said, okay, I'm going to participate with
this obligation. You know, sorry, right? It's neon soup. This text that works with the Wi-Fi kernel.
So yeah, that's that was the the project I chose. And can you tell me a bit what's the next steps
for it? Is it still being promoted, or was it more like a POC that you're going to let stay up
and that's it? And also, is it viable without much, let's say, liquidity? Well, great questions,
Lucas. Yes, there is no much liquidity on the P2P DeFi kernel validators, or or smart contracts,
or however you can describe it. There is no much liquidity there with the ones that
we we were using, and because this is based on the P2P DeFi kernel and not integrating
other protocols. Yes, that's that's a bit of of an inconvenience today.
Hopefully this will change in time. Yeah, we really hope that because we believe
that the P2P DeFi kernel is the way to do DeX on Cardano, and it's a very open
and and and shared way of doing DeX. Shared way as in as in EVM style,
where like everybody is invited to build upon, to integrate. There is no there is no need for a
for a Centralized presence of a backend and a batcher, a very specialized index to just run
that protocol. Actually, with Game Changer, it mostly runs on your devices, even on on mobile.
It runs on your what? Transactions are built from there. So, yeah, yeah. I mean,
it was still regarding the the projects. I had to slow down the development a bit
because I had to attend so many other things to to keep everything working. But yeah,
the idea is to to keep to keep with it, building, and yeah, I mean every every single one
of you is super invited to test it and to give us feedback. Of course, these are
the very first days of this protocol. So, and it works by by pairs, right? Like a typical Dex,
you have trading pairs or something like that. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Could you, for example,
post an order to sell ADA for not just one stablecoin, but you know, you pick two
or three stablecoins that you're willing to take for your ADA. Could that order
sort of be put in there? No, it works for for pairs, basically. So there there are
no like you cannot do a basket or any multi pair orders or multi you know counterparty. Yeah.
You know what I was going to say before was sorry. No, I just wanted to say
that one of the good things related to this, but it's not exactly the same thing,
is that it has like a like a DeFi card where you can just bundle, bundle
or parallelized like in in different transactions to fight the UTXO contention. You can just,
I mean, you have like a DeFi card where you can organize and and run DeFi actions in book,
like opening several positions orders in book in in in book. Or several fills, fill orders. Yeah,
that that can help. For example, when you're offering liquidity
and you want to be efficient regarding parallelization, for example, having many UTXOs,
having your orders split in several UTXOs for more people to to just trade without UTXO contention.
I mean, all all these kind of things that that you cannot. I mean, that you otherwise would rely.
On a batcher, right? On a centralized backend that nobody else would run or is, you know,
even close-ups sometimes, yeah. I was gonna say one thing, like with all this product,
which is very similarly, it's it's perfectly fine that you, you know, present it as a dex.
But you know, I I I meant to. Sorry, one of the comments I made very early on when I
when I looked at it is like you reinvented Genius Yield because I saw Genius Yield
from being built to being launched to being without liquidity, and I'm not sure how it is now.
But I thinking out like in terms of real world solutions and and what you're catering to
as it is today. I would maybe present it more as a P2P solution, because you know we we have these
for for Bitcoin in Portugal, where you can you know there's the local Portuguese banking thing
where we can zap things to each other, Tratify, but we also can create a QR code that's worth
20 euros or 50 or 100 euros, and someone created a protocol that articulates with that.
We'd call it MB for multi bank. You know, and so they created Bitcoin multi bank, you know,
peer to peer thing. I would never imagine them presenting that app as a Dex. You know,
it's really just it's hard, and they have a coordinator that's running on Nostr to to do things.
In in our case, like you were highlighting, the coordinator is the blockchain,
and that's what I want to clarify and and confirm with you. Anyone else can write
completely parallel code to yours that's going to interact with the same UTXOs and use it, right?
Yes, exactly, Lucas. That's what got me passions about in the first place. This is, I mean,
this is why I committed to to Rusty, the creator of this protocol. I said
last year that we were going to help. I mean, very few, few times we have spare time to,
or enough time to just create a new project and do something big or medium or big beyond the wallet
and dandelion light and everything you know. But in this case, I really thought it was necessary to
exactly because of what you said, because this this would be the first decks that Cardano community
could really own. Not only at the protocol level, like yeah, anybody is welcome to just integrate
the same protocol. These are open source contracts, and even the the the chosen version,
the chosen version of the one that we are using on Neon Sub has one audit already.
So anybody is welcome to just integrate this protocol and and to participate in this shared
global liquidity experience. But also, last thing I want to say, last thing is that this Dex is
fully open source. And to run the backend, you can run. I mean, as backend, it can use
Dandelion Light. Either if you are using the GraphQL Mark Two, the Cardano GraphQL Mark Two API.
Or even Blockfrost, which both APIs are served on Dandelion Light. So everything is available
to the community to just fork the project. And for example, you know, Martin, Martin Maniuk, yeah,
yeah. So for example, Martin was interested on the initial days on the P2P DeFi kernel
because he wants to run some custom and local community-focused Dex experiences
for local communities. That's the thing with if you brand it for local communities,
it's more of a P2P with with shared liquidity. So that's you know it sounds great, right? Exactly.
That that to be honest, that should be and will mostly be the the north of the project.
We of course don't have the the power to inject as much liquidity as many other
you know DeFi protocols on Cardano. But we can empower, you know, businesses
and local communities to just implement their own version, just for the project,
change the list of assets that are accepted, and and that's it. Yeah, and remember,
because it relies on Gamechanger, it it can connect with any CB30 wallet around. But also,
you have out of the box mobile support, and and yeah, and even. Shared treasury support is something
that I'm. I mean, it was on the list to even allow, for example, shared treasuries
like a multi-sign wallet to use the apps as any other, you know, personal wallet.
So for the first time, and this mostly because of Gamechanger, not because of Nexo,
for the first time, shared treasuries can access the apps like any other wallet around,
any other personal wallet. And for for Dexes, it's interesting. I'm I'm not sure I understand
the the multi did you say multi chain or multi sign multi yeah or multi sig like like
a shared treasury or yeah like a shared treasury address things yeah so I I don't understand
the connection between neon soup and multi sig because I thought that game changer
was already doing the multi sig part of things if you can explain that in a minute
that would be good if not we would just leave it for for other opportunities. Yeah, no, super quick.
Basically, you can gain multisig support by just leveraging on Game2Nerd wallet on your protocols
on your transactions. But the thing is that you have to take care of some. Usability. I mean,
Cardano is complex, so there are some things that, depending on the protocol,
can affect the experience or even affect the fact that maybe it's not possible to to run. I mean,
to use a multisig wallet to interact with protocols. So, it was on my to-do list to explore
more that path. Also, last question that has to do with the P2P approach you mentioned.
Is that of course any action is like inspectable and ejectable, if I can say. Like you can,
for example, the the the typical swap button that you will find there.
You can just capture the the the produced URL that would trigger the swap action on wallet side.
Because why why why? Because it's important. Because there are no black boxes.
You can own the protocol even at you know at in your device in your own device.
And that URL can be turned into, for example, a cure code. There are some early demos
where you can just trade against a cure code with no frontend involved, and all this magic is, yeah,
you know, the the universal DApp connector from Game Change. Okay, cool.
So the Game Changer is often like a an odd wallet, and and that you know leaves out using it on
on some apps. But in this case, you're leveraging and one thing leverages the other, so that that.
You ideally would would result in people adopting Neon Soup because of the wallet and vice versa.
So, Game Change is not even it's not even like that complicated. Luke is like, it's not SIP thirty,
so it doesn't need the standard DAP connector. But you can still execute pretty much any transaction
on Game Change. Just copy and paste. There's even a way. Gabriel showed us
how to do this because we had a multi sig through Game Change. And I'll ask a question about
that here in a second. But for the label, we ran we run a multi sig through Game Change,
and it even just kind of let us like copy and paste. Into like a smart contract builder, basically.
So if there was a smart contract we wanted to execute, we could just do it directly in Game Changer
wallet and run the script. So even if like your DAP connector for whatever reason can't connect to
your GC wallet, there's two ways to go around that. One, you could just execute the in your script
on Game Changer, or you could use Game Changer's little portal thingy to do a SIP30 DAP connector.
I have my internal wallet connected to Game Changer at this point. Yeah, you know,
for the next milestone of this project, we. We're basically going to do like articles
and and you know explore a bit more different angles of UI UX, and I'm preset on making
this next milestone be all about deep links, understanding the nuances
and of game changer versus SIP 30, and and that kind of thing, you know. Because on the mobile,
are these spaces for your? This is for like catalyst milestones. That's why you do these.
This one is is like the project has been basically since April sort of hibernated,
and I'm doing this as a one-off now because we we need to submit the the milestone of what was done
since the beginning of the project. Actually, what what have you done, Lucas? Like I, you know,
I didn't know that your project was hibernating because I I ain't gonna lie,
I've kind of been frustrated ever since I did that. I know, you know, like I don't. Yeah,
it's not just you, Lucas. It's like everyone I thought was still around fucking with me,
kind of flunking on something or another. Yeah, I understand, and and I'm I'm sorry
about the like ghosting and disappearing, not not ghosting because I never really ignored
any contacts, but you know there's things going on, there's life outside of Cardano as well,
but mostly what I've been doing on Cardano is the Web3 workshops, which I'm also doing
a major sprint throughout September, and you know governance stuff and and whatever.
Now to to focus on this project and to focus on the Web3 because that one has a deadline by
the end of September. I'm actually trying to not go to absolutely any calls and focus on delivering.
That's why the weeks have started being completely different. And the only thing I can show for
since the last few calls, we've done ten calls, which are on the playlist.
If you go to the pinned tweet, there's a link there to design.45p. I know,
I followed the YouTube channel too. I know. So very, very recently, I think yesterday or day before.
When I published this event, this this this yeah Q and A event, I did a quick you know brush up
of the looks of Design dot forty five B, and you can see there a link to the recordings
of the calls, a link to well we're all already on the knowledge base, but it's empty,
it's just a scaffolding, and the sign up form for the interventions. Apart from it is like
when are we getting to like the actual intervention part and like doing
yeah you know like so the what I see bro and this frustrate me and I'm sure everybody who deal with
this sort of shit. You're doing the things to secure the milestone completions, but it's like,
when is it gonna help the people in the community that voted for this on Catalyst?
You know what I'm saying? Like, if I if I actually want to get some benefit from this
or like your program, the calls aren't that helpful. Being honest, I'm just you know what
I'm saying. That's why I stopped going. I know. Yeah, and and that's also sort of a consequence
of you know Ada not being as valuable, and I can't really be hiring or subsidizing designers
to be coming to all the calls. Also, it's the same challenge of. I'm trying to onboard people
like developers, builders, users, especially end users. But I'm also trying to onboard designers.
And the impact that we have, like in common sense, in real world culture,
where people are very much switched off to to Web3, actually pulls back on me getting
designers to abandon. So the key designer that I ideated this proposal with was doing I don't know.
Enterprise corporate brochures or whatever for for NATO or something. He has 20 years
of design experience. When when we ideated this proposal, meanwhile, guess what he's doing?
He didn't really come into Web three, although he did the the logo for us
and a little a number of more things. And he's giving me hints of about design
and about models that we can use, but. You can guess he went into AI. Now he's doing AI animations
and AI everything. When I asked him about it, because I wanted to create some contents
for our Web3 things, you know, he's all in there and he's you know. So it's tricky as well.
And on call ten, for example, we got to bring over what I thought was a designer.
But so he basically was the sales guy for a design agency, and you know this is all recorded.
But I don't think he he would take offense if he if he heard he just came by to do his pitch,
which was actually quite a crypto pitch, not Web three or digital music or you know.
So it's it's tricky to to find partners as well. But I'm continuing on that,
and just to to be clear, to to be concrete about. Answering your question, as you know,
we have three pillars, and the calls are what they are. They're not supposed to be, you know,
yielding deliverables. They're mostly like brainstorming and and highlighting
and discussing technology. The knowledge base also is what it is. It's it's there.
We have a Google Doc. Where we are gathering input, and I still need to deliver one,
at least one small article to put in there before, like tomorrow or Sunday,
when I need to submit the milestone because it's one of the items in the milestone.
So the knowledge base is just going to be a few articles, and maybe I put in an agent on the
on the page or something to discuss with people long term, like from let's say September, October,
November, all the way until December is the absolute deadline for this.
So I think what I'm aiming to do is actually. On September, I'm going to have to be 100%
on the Web3 workshops, because I'm going to be running four call, four cohorts in parallel,
plus one-on-ones with a lot of, with all of the learners that are going to participate in
the Web3 workshops. And I want to create a sort of a Cardano Academy alternative,
where we have all the concepts, and people can do the the fifth cohort of the Web3 workshops
is going to be mostly, mainly asynchronous, based on that documentation center.
And I want it to be multilingual, with four languages, with partners from each of those languages.
So that's like my September is going to be just that.
And then October we're going to do interventions in three projects, and from there on, you know.
So that's the plan. The the if you look at the Design.45b knowledge base,
you'll see a Catalyst project. Page in there, which has the the milestones,
and you'll see the milestone one was awareness, so it was really just kickstarting things.
Now we're completing milestone two, which was let's say more awareness
and kickstarting the knowledge-based website. And throughout milestone one and two,
we have been gathering sign-ups for the interventions. So the interventions are going to start
when I transition now to milestone three, which is going to be by the end of September
when I finish with the Web three things. And so from milestone three onwards, we're going to do
every month in October, November, and December help three projects. You know we're not going to be
able to draw redraw the whole thing, but we're going to be. I am going to do like I said with
just as many designers I can engage in this and onboard them. So October, November, December
will be after the one on ones. I'm assuming like your one on ones are going to be where you try
and build out like what the needs are more specifically, right? Because I did that form. Oh God!
The one, the one-on-ones. February now? Yeah. I don't know. I know. I know. I know.
The the one-on-ones I I was mentioning was was for the the Web3 project. Okay.
That's what what I said. Like separate from the. Yeah, that's going to be September exactly.
Completely different proposal and all that. Do you think you're struggling with trying to juggle
the the various stages of the various projects at the same time? Because I ain't gonna lie, bro,
that would fuck me up. Like this is why even at record level, it's not just that. You know,
we we try and like let's streamline one project out and get it out the door first,
and then knock out the next. Yeah. It's not just that. It's like I am a chronic procrastinator.
I'll admit that. And it took me, you know, twelve years to do a degree because I I just did
one discipline at a time. After nine or ten years, almost, I had done twelve disciplines.
Like I don't know how you call them in the U.S. You know what I'm saying, right?
The the the course like this. Let's say this. Yeah. Hours, whatever. Yeah,
we we had thirty disciplines in in the in the course. After ten years or nine years,
I had done twelve or thirteen, and then I set my mind to it, and in one year I completed
the the rest of the the degree. So it's it's unfortunate, but I need to focus. Like for
this month of September, I'm going to focus just on Web three, and then from October on,
I'm going to focus on the design project. I think that's the most relevant QA and and. Request
or apology that I can voice in this Q and A to justify why the project has been idle for so long.
Apart from the projects, as you know, Cardano swallows you and takes you to calls and and whatever.
And personally, apart from that, I am juggling some stuff as well. So I'm literally selling a house,
moving in with my girlfriend, and I wanted to do that before the market. You know,
I wanted to do that before the market. You know, hopefully the tide changes,
and I'm seeing things change already. And you know, so yeah, there's a lot juggling,
but So you you sorry you filled up the you you filled in the the application form.
I'm not sure we had those many applications, and that was going to be the next question.
You said in total it would be three per month for three months. That's nine total. I'm yeah.
So yeah, how will you? No, no, no. For now, I think I think we're we're we're good.
And what I was thinking of doing, because I think one of the proposals that applied,
they got some funding from Catalyst themselves. So maybe I would, you know,
put them in the back of the line. What I was thinking of doing, if you don't mind that,
is to try to bundle Solidity with ARM Records with uh with Gabriel's project. Yeah, I did.
Would that be okay? I'm okay with that. Yeah. So. Yeah, it's. I I would be
very very happy to to look through things to have those calls. Like I was saying,
the one on ones I mentioned before were for Web three, but obviously we're gonna have one on ones
if if or when you get that that bundle, and maybe we could work me you
and Gabriel on on aligning a bit and reading the form with one. No no no no. Instead of okay.
That's fine. That's fine. I actually don't have it open right now because we we know you know
the people that came to the calls are always going to have sort of dibs on on things, and yeah,
I actually I can't talk much about any other what people that applied, but.
I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to to dive into this one a bit more
and and see it through because I feel like, for example, this this besides the three interventions
in October, there's going to be more work on the knowledge base, and and I'm really curious to do
some not research because it's it's mostly. Me understanding things, the the the data
should be out there about like I was saying how deep links work, why Cardano apps aren't using
as many deep links as they as they could, why it's feasible to use an app on the computer
but not on the phone, and ideally with these calls or with the calls of that milestone,
we're going to try to campaign for better UI UX on Cardano as a whole. So like.
Highlighting to builders, Cardano wide that there's these features and these I don't know for
for the phone it's as simple as composing the right URLs in your app, right?
Where you could be in the phone's browser and click something that hops you over to a wallet.
So yeah. Yes. Yes. Can you please send me then on Discord at least more info
and and that link to register. Yes, well, if you want, of course, you can pin it here on the space.
That would be great for everybody listening. It's already on the jumbotron.
If you see the pinned tweet, it says, "Come by this Friday, etc." It'd be
very easy to find the little, the little Google form, though, the Excel sheet you made.
Wait a second. Are you sure you're seeing the right, the the? Maybe you need to refresh it.
I'm watching the. It's not exposed. Yeah. So it's design dot. I have to write the same form as you,
man. Because this is, yeah. Like I said, I ain't heard nothing else about the shit. So,
so just go to design dot forty five b dot io. It should have a blue backdrop. Backdrop. Mm hmm. Yep.
You see, and there's the the three pillars of the project: spaces, knowledge base,
and interventions. On the interventions, if you click apply here, it takes you to a type form.
If you don't ask too many fields to to fill on on a form, I will do it now. Otherwise, I will. No,
it's it's actually maybe save five minutes for it because it it asks to to present a bit
where you are with the project, what your posture is, that kind of thing.
That requires a few minutes, like ten minutes maybe, to to write a couple of sentences.
What I did is the Google spreadsheet where you're asking for like participant info and thoughts.
But it looks like I was the last person to ever use this. Oh, in April. I'm not sure. Info
and this is where you were asking for like people's catalyst proposals and all that other shit.
Wait a second. This what I be saying, man. Like you did kind of. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. Bro,
what the? I know, but what you're talking about is is the the. I'm not going to say
random documents, but it's the things that we were that I was making available on the Miro board
as we went through the calls, right? So that was basically the. That's what I need to know, like,
because I haven't been kept in the loop about nothing, you know. And apparently,
the information I gave you in this form is not that's not where it's supposed to be.
That's just a random document. So you're talking about a Google Sheet, right? Yes,
I can send you the link. That's something. I know, I know, I I can I could get there as well
through the Myro board, but what you're talking about is a Google sheet that was sort of like
everyone in the room meet each other by declaring a bit who you are. What what do I need to fill out
now, Lucas, so that I am? I know, right, Shaggy, but you're asking one thing,
but you're talking about something else, which was the sheet. So I was just telling you what
the sheet is. So it's not a rug, and the sheet was not you know misleading or something.
The sheet was just supposed to be. I'm just trying to make sure my information in the right place,
bro. That's it. So the form to sign up for the intervention was shared in in I don't know somewhere
on the on the calls and stuff. But currently the easiest way to go to everything is design.45b.io.
Through there, I was updating it recently. You can find everything. And so on the landing page
of this this portal, let's say you have interventions with an apply button, apply here.
But like I said, you know we. That's why I'm doing this now to make sure that everyone is aligned.
Sort of like a last call and rounding up people for for a closure of this milestone. Guys,
I see a number of people joining. It's great to see you see you here. All familiar faces.
You're very very welcome to come up. I see Genwell, Individual Digital, Tevo, Rafael,
who is behind Genwell. Yes. Kay and Kay Tevo and and Kay Individual. How are you? Seba,
I'm going to talk to you soon about like helping me to promote some Web3 workshops, if that's okay.
I'm thinking of doing some multilingual things. I'm going to need Spanish-speaking partners as well.
Thanks for coming by. And and just as a recap to you, I'm not sure if you're familiar with this,
but this was a funded catalyst proposal from way back last year or something.
And now it's it has a deadline to to go only until the end of the year.
It's going to be part throughout September mostly,
but from October we're going to be doing interventions in three projects every month,
just helping out a bit in broad things. Could be design time, design tweaks,
or it could be even like image and public go-to-market imagery or something like that. And also,
we have a knowledge base. Like I said,
if you go to design.45b.io, the the thing is explained there in those three simple pillars.
I'm not sure, Jackie. Are you oriented now? Do you find the the the website the page?
Maybe he's filling in the form. Imagine. Again, guys, this is just a Q and A. I don't have an agenda
or much more to to tout to to. To go over, so I'd really welcome you to come up and say hi
and share some updates from your side, or questions or aspirations for the project for this project.
I know Tevo has been in in my Web3 calls recently, and we've been ideating a bit around one project
he's he's been doing, which I think just to give feedback to him, it's about his he he calls it
coordination manager. It's all about like how hard it is to Coordinate times
and availability between community members, schedule a time, get people in the right place
at the right time, like in sync. And I haven't really gone with using Devos tool,
but I'm still like struggling between a number of things.
So eventually, I hope we can continue partnering to tackle that problem.
Lucas, I don't want to deviate from from the the main topic of the space, but if there are like two
or three minutes to sure tell some ideas that I I haven't heard what it is,
but I'm already saying sure, shoot. Okay, okay. So we have been thinking since like
at least last year, after you know after 2024 on Buenos Aires that we get to met, I mean,
eat all your um all the the merchandising that you were doing, for example. Oh yeah,
that's a whole other project. Yep. Just, just sorry for interrupting you,
but just for context to everyone else, what Adriana is talking about is something that you can have
a look at if you go to shop.45b.io, and ours with you know physical T-shirts and key holders
and stuff in Argentina, like 2024. So that's what he's talking about. Please go on, Adriana. Yes.
By the way, awesome merch. And we, I mean, since then we have been discussing again.
I will be quoting Martin, for example. But on yesterday's space, the one that
we run all every Thursday, we were also talking with you know Rod G from Dreams Pool.
Do you know him? Yes. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. So we we were also discussing like
for local events, local communities. Topics around this, right? Around around merchandising
and stuff like that. For for Cardano, could be also for midnight, whatever.
But I like to focus on Cardano as much as both. So one of the things that
we were discussing internally with Martin with Blazer is that there was an idea because you know
Martin builds hardware, right? So there was an idea to make like smart merchandising,
if I can say that way. For example, NFC tags to to have just one scam for a for a direct delegation
or a pool delegation or or that kind of experience, right? Of course, yeah.
Or empty your wallet type of thing. You just scan this, and you're always empty. Okay, no,
of course, of course not. And you know that's that's the thing. You can audit everything.
You can teach people to audit. Um, what? But they will be scanning, and that's the the good thing
about this tech. So one of the things we were planning on asking you, suggesting you, or yeah,
offering you is maybe we can team up for some specialized merchandise that could be like
could be customized for events. Imagine, imagine once again, imagine Rogi.
He of course he has his own pool, and on his local events he could be. Purchasing
and and and giving away this, for example, Cardano NFC tags, these keyrings that with one scan they,
I mean, people could be delegating to to his pope. The same with DREPs. The same with I don't know,
maybe payments for something. I don't know. I mean, the possibilities are endless.
You can even run Plutus. Plutus a Plutus transaction makes no sense, maybe,
but you can even do that kind of stuff. So going back to to the idea, just wanted to share this
with you because. I know we don't talk too often, but this is a good opportunity. Keep that in mind.
We have been planning on doing this, and I personally said, "Let's team up with Lucas instead
of just you know doing an overlap there." The the reason why I started the design project, it
and and I know I remember Harsha from Gimbal Labs when he came to one of our calls. He was like,
"Why are you talking about art and and expression and you know communication?" It
Because I wanted really to broaden things and not to have design be just like how does your button
look, and to be about like what's your message and mission and culture. And so this idea,
this shop.45p thing, came out of being sustainable and having 20 t-shirts from meetups.
And not wanting to go to organize the constitutional workshop in Lisbon
and have people go away with another T-shirt saying Cardano 2024 meetup,
so I started looking into messages and merging the culture of we have one Nirvana T-shirt
transformed to Cardano. We have I don't know. I've done one about metal.
That has like this this skull and reads immortal value, but that one, for example,
has a Bitcoin logo. So because you know Bitcoin is value a bit you know value store maybe a bit more
than than Ada, it's different things. I usually explain Bitcoin as digital. Matter, digital money,
and Ada as digital terrain, digital land. That so you, it's like we in Cardano are in like what
they call condominium, and you own a bit of the land here. That's why you vote.
That's where you know it's not supposed to be money per se in the real world.
It's mostly our terrain, but that's just our our view and our way of communicating it. So, but just
before we go to Shaggy, thanks for for mentioning this project, and I'm all for that.
But I need to be responsible and say let's only do that after the turn of the year,
or when we have the design project well in hand. Say let's mid mid of November at least,
if things are going well. Let's re rethink that that partnership proposal. Okay. Sure, sure.
No worries. Remember that tech is is already here. This has been a bit tested. For example,
on some events in Buenos Aires, I wear I prepared some NFC cards with a nice print on them. To some,
to some D reps and pool operators, like for example, we we have Seva here,
but for for Rodrigo from Chile. Yeah, one thing I wanted to say, I imported to this project what.
This culture of open source everything, which is native to Bitcoin, and I just
because it is open source, there's a repo with the digital. So I made tabletops
and key holders saying open source everything, and in that spirit, everything that you see here,
as long as I have the digital for it, I'm very very happy to send it over that you guys
can print your own, right? And this is not exclusive for us to print. Okay. Okay.
Just the idea was not to overlap because, to be honest, I hate overlaps on Cardano. Yeah.
With all my guts, I hate them. And I think the first first thing I I thought
when we were discussing this internally was. Hey, look at this design. Let's build
upon each other's work, yeah. And we can do your flavor of this. You can take like the digital
for our T-shirts and use just three of them, and don't use the other ones that you don't agree with.
You can put the Immortal Value image with the Cardinal logo if that's what you're selling in terms
of what you're standing behind of. I just want to small caveat. I don't have the digital files
for the 3D prints because some of the artists. Kept them themselves, but I could gas them still.
Sorry, Shaggy, you probably wanted to jump two topics back. I'm sorry. No, two questions. One,
I just filled out the form, and I think I've done this before, but I made sure I did it again. Just,
just I wanted to double check. Did you receive that? And then two, I DM'd.
Some actual like some of the merch designs. Me and the team have been playing with, and so Liddy,
we're actually getting ready to launch a big merch like a set of lines of clothes.
Like we've been working with a homeboy of ours and and one of my artist little brothers who draws.
So we've got a shit ton of stuff. I just DM'd you, Lucas, in like direct from this Twitter account
to your Twitter account on the Lucas Forty Five joint. I see. Check them, John, out,
and then let me know if you got that form application from actually. You know,
one like what I what I said. Sorry, let's start with the first thing. The forms. I'm going in.
I'm on Typeform already as an admin. Let's go to results, and I see we have the submissions.
Let me check. How do I? It should be Samuel Hogan. Yeah, yeah. We have, I think,
six submissions here, but there's one from today. Yeah, so Solated Records. It's here. All right,
thank you. You're secured, and you're okay with doing this with ARP Radio, right? Yeah, yeah.
Either way, I mean, like, what ARP Radio's got the toolkits already enabled, right? For us,
it would just be putting them up on on our side type shit, or building out like a portal
for our actual artists. And I'll get more into that on another. Sure. Behind the scenes,
but we got a pipeline for like our release process for publishing and everything distribution-wise.
So if we can, that's exciting because. If we share knowledge, you know that would be great. Yeah,
that's great. That's great. Also, I wanted to mention, in the spirit of what I was saying,
that art is also it plays very much closely with the design that you want to give your your app
and your whole company. I'm pretty sure, like for the first milestone now about interventions
and knowledge, it's going to be about link, deep links, and and UI UX of wallets versus apps.
But we have one there for like I think November or December, which is more about. Art itself. So,
in the context of that milestone, we could work and bring this merch and and I usually call it
Cardano wear as well instead of just just merch. Man, the the way I see this
and our process for developing the merch stuff was kind of corporate. I had been a part
of developing corporate merchandise for a sales and and marketing team before
at my old door hardware company. So, I took some of the inspiration for like how we did it
from there. And one of the first things we did is we took our like our company logo.
And a few key points about like our company culture, our team culture type shit,
and then we built out what was basically a brand identity, like the DNA of our brand, right?
And then from there, we could extrapolate out into these different merch designs that implemented
either regional identity portions of stuff, the whole blockchain decentralized audio shit, whatever,
you know, the fire logo, music, dance, like the cultural elements. So I think
that you can really go a long ways at a at like a higher level. A white glove approach to branding
and design, without necessarily like getting into the specifics of art,
because every project's gonna have to be different about it. And one of the things we came to
when we were developing like our music education materials is you don't want to like
stone wall creators or creatives into certain things, right? So you teach them techniques.
And this is where I think maybe some of the stuff we've already done on our brand DNA shit might be
more useful. As far as like that, like I sent you the merch designs just to kind of show off,
like check them hoes out. You know what I'm saying? They go hard. I would wear everything
I sent you, but yeah, like the presentation, I think is useful. I spend a lot of time
nowadays walking around with 45p things and Cardano logos. I go to bars and rock bars and whatever,
and I stick Cardano stickers in the walls. Cardano logos? Like, what's the deal with that?
I don't do any of that. We are. So the thing is, it is licensed by CF.
It's like CF is the custodian of the brand or something like that. But I went through
a funny episode when I was in Argentina. I had this. Stand with tons of T-shirts, and Rafael Fraga,
Brazilian lawyer from CF, walked by, and I knew him. We were—I was showing him our stuff,
and he was like, "Oh, you're using the Cardano logo. Oh, that looks good. I'll allow it,
or it looks good. It's it's fair usage or something, because they do have sort of veto power to say
you're not using it. You know." It's not fair usage that you're doing of this logo.
You're distorting the brand or something like that, so they can intervene if someone distorts
the brand. But apart from that, yeah, if we just touch base with them, we can use the Cardano logo
and stuff. I didn't even know that, but I know maybe it's yeah. I didn't use any Cardano name. Cool.
We have like decentralized audio on there. Like we made a special logo built around that concept.
For the team, it's kind of like posh, more classy, you know, tech theme.
But if you're checking them out, like Adriano, I sent it to the Game Changer account too,
so you can check those out. Like we use like a microchip element for some of our stuff because it,
you know, reminded me like the node operator shit. Like I don't know, I thought that was
kind of cool. Yeah, sounds it. And it gives everything like circles back on itself because.
It becomes a topic for conversation in the real world and in in our network world where we live. So,
yeah, great stuff. I'm posting on the chat, and I'm going to pin up my notes on Notepad about themes
for next milestones. So, like I said, the first milestone was just the kickstart.
Second milestone is what we're finishing now after like hosting ten calls
and taking signups from everyone. And for the next milestones. From October,
we're going to start with. Let me. Sorry, I said I was going to pin it up, and I don't think I did.
So it should be coming up in the jumbotron. For what is milestone three?
We're going to be focusing more in terms of calls and knowledge base additions on understanding
and documenting the login process in a web in a web three app and the browser
and wallet integration. So ideally, we would be able to use. The phones, browser,
and like like navigating the website as if it was like standard Web 2.
And whenever it needs a signature, it hops to the wallet and back. And so I don't think
we actually have that. Often we have to open the website and take it into Vesper's browser
or something. That's sort of a joke, I would think, in terms of onboarding real people.
One example that I can mention right now from memory is dwebtalk.com. He has integrated ways
that you can pair your phone with your with your desktop. You can get notifications.
You can install the website as a progressive web app, and it's not perfect. You know,
it's like a lot of things are device device specific, but it's a good example of nice UI UX
for something, for example, that sends you notifications when governance is is ticking,
and you get notified about everything on your phone. The next milestone is listed there
as milestone MS4. I was thinking of, like I said, talking and looking into gamification dynamics
around Web3 and tokens and stuff. And I had art already here, and now I added the merch part.
So I think that should give us time. And obviously, when we start in these ventures,
we're going to have A lot of more time after the project concludes to continue everything
we're trying to build with with our proposals is supposed to be open sourced and put up
and maintained by the community onwards, including, like I said, the Web3 courses.
I want it to be a synchronous alternative to Cardano Academy, more non-technical
and more real-world shareable than Cardano Academy. Yeah, and the last, just let me know, Lucas,
if you ever like on the merch side, like when you're getting ready to do all that, like hit me up,
cause I got a ton of the the base level work done as far as data gathering, comparing
and contrasting different platforms, what their requirements were. The only thing is,
you'll need to kind of like, my shit's proprietary for my company, but I would let you come in
and then like rip everything out of there and then copy and paste or whatever.
You just got to white glove it, you know what I'm saying? Take like my my personal company shit up
out of there, and then you can use whatever you need on that. Yeah, it would be great, you know.
What what the problem? And I worked I work a fair bit on this on Cardano.
The common problem that we have, for example, in terms of Cardano Cube and List Directory of Apps,
is that everyone has their own database. And then you update something as a builder.
You update it in in Cardano Cube, but you didn't update it in Cardano.org/apps.
And so it's all a bit like clunky, to say the least. And so what I'm advocating,
because I'm working actually in that kind of engine, Cardano.org/apps.
I'm writing ways of networking those those nodes of information. Ideally,
we would put that kind of metadata on chain, and everyone could drink from the blockchain.
And when a builder wants to update the listing for their app, they just do it with a transaction,
and everyone can show and filter out the ones they don't want to show. For example,
we could use—I'm thinking of doing use.45b.io, which is a subset of all the apps on Cardano,
focusing on the non-financial ones. So that's our filtering that we want to show our users.
I'm saying all this because. What you just said, right? Some pieces of your of of your collection
could be listed on my shop. Some pieces of my collection could be listed on your shop. And you know,
we channel value as we feel like, or we don't, or I don't know. It's it's
I'm just highlighting creating a protocol in a in a shared space for for you know agreeing
and and promoting the same kind of imagery where we we do so and not disturbing others
and not vetoing if I want to have a message that you don't subscribe on my platform.
Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. I think I was I was thinking more along the lines of
like the process for helping out other other projects and stuff build out merch of their own, right?
That's where that's where my material probably would be more useful. So milestone four,
there that I'm I'm not sure if you noticed what I put up on the jumbotron.
So it's just that screenshot. Milestone four, we could try to absorb and process what you shared,
your knowledge, and list it on our knowledge base. Obviously, giving credits to you. You know.
Does that sound good? Yeah, that's fine. I mean, for me, Lucas is just running a record label
with artists. I know I've told you this before. The music is the product,
but the artists are the brand, right? So our pipeline to build out our merch is the same pipeline
we use and export it to the artists for them to build their own merch collections
and develop their own brand identities and all this other stuff.
So we're kind of—I don't want to brag; like it's not like we're good at it, but yeah,
I'm—we're pretty familiar with. How to do that? So help with it. You know, we build out. Yeah,
in a way, you you do a lot of work. I was going to say homework, but that would not make it justice
because it's amazing. Because what what we are trying to do for projects on Cardano,
you've already been doing for your artists for for a while, like establishing the identity.
And I felt that since the first calls that you came over, that's why it's going to take me
quite a while to catch up in in a way. But I'm actually going to make a note here,
like this process of self discovery journey, you know, or branding journey.
That's something that we should definitely document. And maybe I'm gonna add it here
in milestone four. It's a revenue pipeline, right? So, dealing with music,
margins for profit are kind of slim when it comes to streaming revenue. Yeah. So,
one of the things I focus on is developing revenue pipelines for artists. Like,
I'll take an artist who has musical talent but has never made a dollar from their music,
and then I build five revenue pipelines for them. One of them emerge. You know,
sync licensing is another. Stream revenue is another. AdSense is another.
Brand partnerships is another. So, if you can do those five things for every Cardano project,
that's like immense work that most of these projects never get to, right? So, I mean,
we have really technical guys that just struggle with that end end user, like
how to build out the revenue model for their product, right? I'm not great at revenue models
when it comes to DApps and anything like that, but when it comes to building out a revenue pipeline,
there's free there's free shit we can do. Right. I was just sharing some stuff with Adriano. Like,
it doesn't have to be something you pour a lot of money into at first. Just get a few designs,
get your brand logo together, build out the merch platform, and then tie it in with your website
via an API. Boom. I think you know Adriano was coming to me saying that he was thinking of putting
some NFC tags on my T-shirts, and I'm thinking you're a lot closer to doing that with them
and and piloting their NFC, you know, products or you know dynamics. I think it it it falls within
the gamification part. If you could, you know, Adriano has some ideas already,
and and apparently Martin has the technology. So if you start thinking up the T-shirt
or the physical keyholder or whatever tabletop, it could be a tabletop in in a venue, you know,
or something that's glued to the counter on on a bar or something like that that people touch
and they get a drop or they you know interact with with things. That is the kind
of gamification that I would love to explore in milestone four. Yeah, yeah.
That's all I have for today. I appreciate your time, Lucas. Thank you for walking me through. Yeah,
I appreciate it. Thanks for coming and thanks for for all the input. I think it was
a great brainstorm. It helped connect a lot of dots in in my notes here. So
that what you're seeing there is just markdown file, and I'm expanding all of those milestones
and making notes in there. So we will come back to these. What I'm gonna try to do as well,
I was just looking up some JavaScript library that renders markdown seamlessly.
So I'm gonna start having these notes in the calls, and we can all You know,
collaborate on the on the notes from from the calls, and to to try to mature ideas
until they they come to be persisted on the knowledge base. One tiny thing I want to say, if I can,
Shari, Shari, do you remember this QR code that that Gabriel was sharing to delegate to your pool
or to his direct? So I mean, the same thing. I mean, the thing behind that QR code is just a URL,
and that's how that's how you connect with Game Genie Wallet. That URL packs those scripts that
you mentioned, and if you place these URLs on an NFC tag or a QR code, whatever.
I think I'm not sure he can hear you. I'm sorry to interrupt, because on on the phone I see him
as a listener now. Maybe he just recycled. Yeah. Well, maybe I will share this info later to him.
But basically that. Okay. It's ah, it's like the QR code that Gabriel was sharing.
It's the same thing as a URL packed in a URL in a QR code or on an NFC tag,
and you can do anything Cardano with an NFC tag. Do you have anything about like proof
of attendance? Yeah. Sent it to you. You know that that would be so. The NFC tapping would be
the trigger to. So that would be a trigger for you to be able to collect a proof of attendance NFT
that was minted on the spot by Game Changer. 100%. Yes, that's the idea. For example,
you can do that exactly, exactly that. You can mint on the fly NFTs on the fly, for example,
or even tokens. I don't know why, but NFTs makes more sense. So, but in that case,
the proof of attendance is being co-signed by the issuer, no? You can do that because we have
multi-sign support, and it works on this on-the-fly way. So the issuer would have to have a signing
the service or something, no? Yes, exactly. So you can run a service that even
for non-super techy people, you can run it on on even on a browser. You don't need a backend
because it leverages already, for example, on on on the nodes on I mean on
the Dandelion light nodes. There is a tiny relay on each node, and the only backend needed is that,
but we are providing it, so you don't need to deploy your own. And this, like signing
or auto signing service, can even run from the browser if you are not a techy person,
or you can of course run your own backend. So the owner of the bar could have a browser
open that's go signing when the public is tapping their proof of attendance totem on the entry
of the bar. Yeah, you can do even you can you can make it more complex
and maybe more suitable for Cardano by just leveraging on a Plutus on a on an
on-chain validator smart contract. But yeah, I mean all these kind of stuffs can be done.
Like on on this on the fly minting with multi sig support for a cosigning of transactions.
I mean all that stuff we have covered since ages with Game Changer. So yeah,
I mean this is what I'm offering to you guys because I didn't know Shaggy was involved with
merchandising. But keep it keep in mind that even you can do the same actions that
Gabriel is doing on RP Radio. On with a with an NFC tag, with a QR code, with a link, right?
So keep that in mind, Shaggy, and of course, Lucas. I know your your situation with timings
and everything, but keep that in mind also because that's that's a nice way to I mean to leverage
on Cardano for smart merchandising by just leveraging on URLs packed on QR codes, packed on
or written on NFC tags, whatever. It's all it's possible. Okay. Do we have any kind
of URL shortening service on Cardano, or because some URLs can be very, very big,
and I'm not sure if you're, you know, thinking of this in that in that flow in that pipeline.
You are right. For I mean, to to tackle this problem, this is why we have the GCFS,
the on-chain file system protocol. So you store most of the scripts on chain,
and every URL is just referencing or loading. This on-chain script, and and if I mean,
but for very very short URLs, yes, you can use a URL shortener,
and it does not need to be a Cardano one. Remember, well, each of these URLs. Last thing.
I'm saying this, but I'm keeping in mind that we are decentralization maxis and all that,
so I don't want to have a Bitly URL that's breaking, and maybe we could bring in the loop.
Blink Labs is building is DNS, decentralized DNSes, and all that. Probably it's not going to be
a silver bullet, but it sure is a better alternative than using a centralized Web 2 shortener,
right? What y'all don't like collecting your data from your clicks? You don't like that?
That's look. This is why it exists, right? Yeah. And I think that there needs to be more of this
in Cardano. I mean, for years I've said this. Like, there's very limited DApp marketing.
Because none of these DApps are like sharing any of the data. It's not.
No one's going around collecting or buying up all the Cardano users DApp website data.
Like you know what I'm saying? Like nobody. Where's the marketing list?
Where's my spreadsheet for my ad mails? Like I don't have anything here, right? All the privacy.
So y'all love privacy and decentralization, but where are the analytics? I'm not sure what to say.
I love Bitly because music links are really long for streaming platforms.
So you turn that sucker into a Bitly link, and you can post it. And then you can track
who's clicking it from where, and then you can tailor your marketing shit depending upon that,
right? And if you're self-hosting your own websites, you can also track that.
But are you guys sharing your metrics for your click-through rates and like
where these are coming through to your marketing guys? Because that matters, right? I know. Yeah.
Collection and tracking is how marketers know what to do and when to do it. I was looking
that up today, and actually, initially, I thought you were you were being funny when you said
you don't like Bitly harvesting your data. But I see you're you're sort of serious about it,
and I I can speak for myself when like today I was thinking of how am I going to build this LMS
with some content about you know learning Cardano, and And it, I immediately started thinking. Okay,
it would be good if I could, all after people click some I agree button,
track user behavior to understand what diagrams they liked, what didn't they like, what they,
you know, stood more time on before moving on, and so I could have some gauges to inform my product.
So product, I don't know heuristics. I'm not sure what the term is, but I understand
why you would you would like that. It's just I don't. We're trying to work on Web three,
not Web two, in terms of Preserving people's rights and you know, but let's let's use this
as a great example of how collecting this data and marketing this marketing with this data
is beneficial, right? You may have a platform, a dex or whatever that can do multiple things.
Game changer is a great example of this. Game changer does so much different shit.
There's no way in hell every user that uses game changer is using it for the same reason, right?
And you may find regions where certain use cases for game changer are more beneficial than others.
Maybe the leading use for it in sub-Saharan Africa is one thing, whereas in Europe it's
another thing, right? You don't want to waste marketing spend on marketing the thing
that's popping in this sub-Saharan part of Africa that doesn't really get used in the rest
of the world to the Europeans, right? You would want to market to them what works for them, right?
So when it comes to like end product stuff, you need to be able to collect. This is where like.
Marketing can't go anywhere here if we don't have at least in-house, right? In-house,
it's a lot easier. The big DAPs have more of a spread; they have a bigger data sample to collect
from, so they can make more educated decisions with that to target advertising or whatever.
But knowing where this, knowing where this comes from, allows us to better tailor stuff
in the future. If that makes sense. Yeah, I'm not saying you shouldn't have that,
but I'm also a big fan of. You know, having sort of like as closer connect as close connection
as possible with your community, with your users, and also encouraging them to write a line,
voicing their own thoughts instead of us discovering them through analytics, right? So yeah,
AI could be really helpful now, having like these agents making friends with people
as they're browsing your website and and trying to gather feedback. But it depends on
how you implement it to be friendly and not artificial. Yeah, it's still the same. Right,
it's just the same result of your math problem, the same end, like the same end result.
But what I'm saying builds a relationship a bit more. Right. I don't know.
I don't think that that's scalable. Right. Yeah, I understand. And guys,
I did work at a company that did that. We had relationship-based sales, but as we scaled, you know,
that that got to be a limiting factor. Yeah, but like I was saying, nowadays,
AI could sort of be your trusted Liaison between you and the users. If it does succeed in achieving
this kind of relationship status, or you know, people. I'm, for example,
I'm struggling a lot to organize all the learners for Web3, and I keep DMing the same learners,
reminding them about the session, and you know, asking if they can make this time or the other time.
And that's what I was ideating with Tevo. I'm thinking of creating a Joseph, which is Joseph Gogan.
In honor of Joseph Gogan, and and start having my Joseph agent check in with the learners
to remind them of stuff instead of getting a notification on the phone
or just you know those push notifications that people ignore. You know, I don't know.
I'm just sharing what I'm going through as well. Guys, we're a bit over time. I'm gonna.
I wanted to extend an invitation. I've been sending invites to come up to everyone.
The goal of this call is to raise awareness to this little project that has been neglected in part
for a bit too long. It's still going to be in the back burner until the end of September.
We are closing the sign-ups for the next milestone in terms of the three projects that
we're going to try to lend a hand to in terms of design and and all this we've been talking about.
Please help us share visibility about it. And if you're interested or if you know someone who has
a project that could use a hand. Send the design.45b link to them, design.45b.io,
and have them sign up. If not for the next milestone, maybe for the other for the other two,
we could collaborate. I think I don't see anyone asking to come up or you know taking
the invitation. So I'm going to pass the mic around for last thoughts before we close for today.
Maybe Adriano. Yeah, as I said, that form will take some time. So I am planning to to sign up.
Did not already, but will. So yeah, count count count us in, of course, of course, Lucas. Thanks.
That's great to know. And thanks for for coming by and for sharing so much about the. Sorry,
what's the name of the Dex peer-to-peer thing again? I'm sorry, I was in my notes
and now I switched tabs. It's like it's neon soup. Neon soup. Yeah, exactly. Great stuff.
It was weird, weird path to that name. Was coming from something like primordial soup,
something coming from the cyberpunk concepts. I mean, regarding neon. So yeah, neon sounds good.
Weird name, but basically it's one soup, one big soup. No more share. I mean, splitter liquidity.
One big soup for everybody. That's kind of also the idea. Yeah, I really hope like we can take
the different angles to to market this or get people to to know it and and use it, even
if it's not full of liquidity and exact pricing, you know, like close supply and demand pressure.
If it could help some people in some parts of the world do a P two P transaction,
I think that would be great already. And maybe in those countries or in those contexts,
if people can sort of interact somehow and negotiate to do a counter offer or something,
that could maybe make it more fluid. Have you thought of that? Yeah, I mean, love.
I love that love that approach, and I think it's going to be the D approach until maybe we can face
a better liquidity situation. But hopefully, I mean, if I can say two words about it,
Neon Soup Dot Trade, and the full code is open source already on GitHub.
Is a Dex to be owned by anybody on the Cardano community. Is an open source Dex.
It uses a generic API as backend. And that's it. So if anybody wants to fork it, customize it,
and apply apply it to a local community, to a to a particular business,
to do whatever they want to do, is a P2P defragmental underneath. It has one audit already.
The protocol, not the not the text, the protocol. So, Underdex needs more love from the community.
To be honest, would would would be great for having more feedback and more interest on the Underdex.
Any any sharing of the tweets of the URL would be super appreciated. It's a lot of work
for a very very small team. Always so. NeonSoup. Trade. Anybody is welcome.
Parallelized transactions, Edify card, Incognito mode. Fully auditable and transparent actions
and transactions being built on your wallet, on your device, even on mobile, on desktop,
wherever you are, and it's totally—I mean, it's for you to own, for you as the community to own EDX
as much as you can. There are almost no barriers. Adriano, could we make a commitment here to create
an X profile for Neon Soup instead of linking to just Game Changer, or and maybe cross-link both
of them? That's a great, great question. A great idea. The thing is that it's
it's terrible to manage everything on our own. As I said, it's a small team. I was about to do it,
Lucas, but it's terrible to see that you have a deck with very few followers on that account.
So you need to start. You need to start from zero. You're right that yeah I didn't want to to face
that problem. Yeah, let's see if we can help. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That would be. I mean,
that's super necessary. Uh, we can. I mean, any help we can get is great. Um, there is a lot,
a lot to maintain and to keep up with. Uh, on the wallet, on on the back end side
with underline light, with the community every single week. Um, so time is. Um, I mean, time. Yeah,
I understand. We all do. Yeah. So I made a note in my text file that I was snipping
and showing in the jumbotron just now. I'm going to add some actions here as milestone two
and a half. So publish the the all my notes around this project are going to start being available
in the in the knowledge base in design.45b.io so that the project is as transparent as possible
and able to take suggestions. And in terms of neon soup, I'm going to. Play this back
and clip the pitch that you just gave, and try to make a small video that we can post and retweet.
And I can volunteer to help co-host or co-manage a profile for Neon Soup. Is that okay? Yes, please.
Thank you. Okay. So we can share the password for it, and we can try to get it out there.
The last remark I have about this project is that I always felt like the game changer look,
the visual identity was cool, and you've made it a lot cooler with with neon soup.
I imagine that you're using AI or something. But did you have anyone like a designer type of person
working on this, even behind the AI changes? In in another life, I am I am a filmmaker.
I know about design a couple of things. I've been doing graphical design, 3D design,
3D animation a bit. In as I said in another life. So the problem is when you have to code a lot
and you don't, you cannot put all the the time and effort on on you know on the graphical design,
the UI. Yeah. So I it's looking really good. I regret that on Game Changer, but now with AI,
I created a very curated design system, and I was able to, yeah, to apply it. I I created like two
or three variants
and pick the the more friendlier one. Um, yeah, basically. Yeah. Cool. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Lucas. Sorry, I was speaking in mute. You're very welcome, Adriano. I see Nerf just came up,
and we were passing the mic around for the final round of thoughts. Simon is welcome as well.
We're not going to be here for very long, but I'm not going to cut anyone's ideas off. So,
if anyone else wants to come up, please do so. Meanwhile, I just want to say hi to Nerf.
Not sure if you have any questions about this. I joined late in the conversation,
so I'm out of context. And since you are closing the space, I'll refrain from commenting. Okay,
just have a look at design.45b.io. It should explain everything about this specific project.
And if you can help, or if you want to be on board, just you know follow the links
and follow design.45b.io. Exactly. I'll I'll check it. Okay. Okay. So in terms of wrapping up,
I see Simon as a listener. I'm going to invite him to come up. But also, yeah, word of warning:
we are just wrapping up. Shaggy, I'm not sure if you want to. Share some last thoughts
and plans for September, maybe. Brand DNA. Figure out your brand DNA. It help you do a lot of shit
in the future. Great stuff. Good energy. I'm gonna write it down. Brand DNA. Okay, that's cool.
Yeah, we see Seaman now. Maybe they're still coming up. Hello. I was recovered from
the previous space already, or was it well? Was it good? Oh yeah, I mean, no need to recover.
It was a good space actually. I really appreciated the conversation. But yeah, I was just,
as I said earlier, on the Donauinsel, like in in in the nature, which was really nice.
Just running home now. So I'm gonna cover in a minute. Okay. Okay. So Simon,
I'm gonna invite you to maybe listen back to the recording of today's call. But long story short,
we did a quick update of the portal designer4community.io, and we are going to be, you know,
still having this project in the back burner until the end of September. But meanwhile,
we're closing the signups today and deciding by tomorrow to submit the milestone proof
of achievement. So yeah, that that's what I can share for now. All right. Thanks.
I'm gonna look at it. Cool. Lucas. Yes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've looked at the website,
and it seems that you are building an incubator or something similar. Am I correct?
It's not that ambitious. It's really just a small funding that we got from Cardano to help
some projects and also facilitate calls and and write up this this knowledge base. Yes. Okay,
because I am working on an incubator, a Web3 incubator. We already received financing as well,
and I think we should partner. That's it. Okay, it's good. Like everyone,
Nerve is a Portuguese fellow from from I would think close to Lisbon, and we've met in some events
around here. And he works in governance mostly, municipalities and things like those.
He sometimes comes by our our Cardano Epoch Hump Banter, which, by the way, we're having again
this Sunday. And yeah, let's let's keep in touch. It's good to network with Nerve often
because he's more of a cross cross chain person than a specific chain community member, right,
Nerve? Yeah, I'm more concerned about utility. What What is the reason we are building what
we are building? How can it benefit society more than I'm sticking with this brand
or this particular blockchain? Yeah. Cool. Maybe you can you can stay in the loop
of this design project as you were saying to to partner up and provide some fresh pair of eyes
on a number of things that we've been going around of. Okay. Be sure to pop in the spaces
and check the design better. Okay. Cool. You said today is the deadline for the submissions, right?
It's the end of August, so I'm going to. Sorry, our submissions for people to submit to us.
We we we need people to submit by today or tomorrow at latest for to to get considered for
a small intervention by in the first batch, which is going to be in October.
And then we have a deadline to submit our milestone by the end of August,
and by the end of all the other months, it's more, it's freer because our main deadline is to finish
the whole project by the end of the year. In a way. Okay. Thank you, Lucas. Okay, guys.
I'm sorry if this was a bit repetitive to some participants of the space,
but it was great to have your attention. We're going to be around on Sunday.
We're hosting the Epoch Hunt banter, and on Monday evening we have Web3 workshop in the US time zone
because I just changed it. We're doing the same Web3 workshops in European
and African friendly time zone on Thursdays, and I'm still going to organize a Portuguese cohort
and other stuff. So if you know anyone that is Curious to be onboarded to Web3,
or even without being onboarded to Web3, understand what blockchain can be beyond
the crypto use cases. Please send them our way,
or just send me a reference, and I'll chase them. Okay, thank you so much. See you soon.
