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Campfire #4.2
Recorded: May 1, 2025 Duration: 0:31:07Space Recording
Short Summary
Exciting developments are underway in the crypto space, with major announcements including the launch of a massive Zeely campaign, the introduction of Brotocol aiming to redefine Bitcoin's role in DeFi, and strategic partnerships enhancing liquidity and user engagement across platforms.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. so
hey if you're coming back go ahead and share out this space we'll get everyone um we'll get
brandon back up on stage you know you can always count on x for a good uh space rug in here and
there it looks like it's just our turn this time i don't think don't take it personal brandon i
mean i was super interested i'm sure sure Elon would have been interested, but it
just happens, you know?
It's all good. Yeah, we're back.
And, uh,
yeah, we can wait a little bit.
I can, uh, I guess continue
where I left off. Um, what do you want to do?
I think we're good to
get going.
Yeah, it's recorded. before you got rudely interrupted.
But yeah, I think just take it off from where you were getting involved with Backless Zeli, I think.
Yeah. So, you know, there's just there's I don't know how much we've revealed, you know, at the top of the show.
I think I was late by a few minutes. is planning a pretty big Zeely campaign around this. And we're trying to involve as many of the DeFi partners,
as many apps as possible into this campaign.
And it's been, I don't know if we want to say,
but it's going to be, I think, one of the biggest,
if not the biggest campaign on Zeely that Zeely has ever seen.
It's going to be massive.
So huge effort. It's been something that it's going to be massive. So huge
effort. It's been something that we've been working on for months, honestly. So we're getting
very, very close to announcing more super excited for that. Yeah, on the I guess on the on the trust
machine side, you know, we've definitely been cooking quite a bit. We have some announcements
with leather coming this month that I know you all
are going to be very happy to see. Leather Mobile is just right around the corner. It's like actually
finally almost here. So very, very, very excited to see more there. And on the granite side, you
know, we've also been cooking there as well. We announced LP incentives. The APYs on Granite right now have
been in the 30 to 40% range for for LPs with those incentives. So we announced those last week.
If you guys are interested in in joining Granite, it's still in early access. So it's kind of a
closed beta. But just send Granite a DM and we can get you on there.
And yeah, looking to integrate those into the Zeely campaign as well.
Been a lot of stuff happening.
So yeah, I don't know how much we want to reveal about the Zeely stuff ahead of time,
but yeah, we're very excited for this campaign to kick off.
Amazing. I'm super excited about that.
So just if we can get some extra, you know,
little squeezes of juice from somewhere,
this is going to be like a, you know, like Stacks Zeely.
It's not going to be like a, you know, a Granite Zeely or whatever.
There might be like sub versions of this,
but it's going to be like a Stacks-wide campaign, is it?
It's going to be a little bit of both.
So there will be an official Stacks Zeely.
The plan is that we're going to be able to link to other communities if they exist. So there is a Granite Zeely. There's obviously Bitflow has one, many others as well. So we're trying to integrate as many things as we can. But there will be an official Stacks Zeely as well. Amazing. Super excited to see that unfold.
And in terms of timeframes,
are we talking weeks maybe or a little bit longer?
I think we're talking weeks.
So yeah, stay tuned.
But there's going to be a lot of energy, let's say,
going into this campaign in a couple of weeks.
You're getting me excited for this so you're getting me excited for
this you get me excited okay awesome um so i think uh i think diego do you got any closing thoughts
with this with the zealy thing i think you had to kick like did you have to jump off at some point
soon yeah um i'm good for a few minutes but uh yeah i'm excited for it uh it is a few weeks down
the line it's something that we've been really looking forward to it.
I think it's going to be a win-win for the ecosystem.
And like Arthur mentioned, it's not only people from outside the ecosystem, but also
we're learning those that have been here for a while.
And we have been using ZELE for our community lifeguards, for our ambassador programs, as
he said.
So there's multiple ways to, you know, work internally, look into your own community and
see how you can bring more value to them.
So I'm definitely looking forward to it.
Yeah, I think that's all we share.
I know it's going to be pretty big.
It's definitely going to be the biggest campaign to date for Biflo.
And I think it's probably going to be one of the biggest campaigns on zealy um and i'll say that
and i'll take responsibility for it you're gonna have people holding you to that now but yeah it
sounds huge yeah that sounds good um super excited to see that unfold um we're gonna head to nakib
now from bro to Call.
He's been waiting very patiently.
We've been talking the Zeely stuff on the first half.
But yeah, welcome, Nakib.
And yeah, do you want to give a little intro to everyone listening?
Yo, GMG and everyone.
There was a very interesting kind of space, you know,
the way you guys are talking about all the stuff.
But I'm Nakib. I'm glad see come from the faces here as well.
Like Diego, you know, shout out to Sarokji, like it's been a while.
Um, but yeah, I'm going to keep the CSO protocol, you know, protocol is kind of like a new, um, platform that we are building.
technically it's a rebranded platform from xlink and as many of you guys know xlink was from nx
Technically it's a rebranded platform from Axling.
and it was beyond stacks and it was it was a bridge back then but for protocol itself it's
rebranded to kind of achieve a newer vision that we want to do in the whole bitcoin ecosystem
mainly you know to redefine bitcoin role in defy like for big many many years for many years bitcoin has always been taken out of
bitcoin ecosystem to fund d5 protocols outside of bitcoin while for us you know one of our goal is to
bring this ecosystem into bitcoin instead right we are trying to redefine how business fire is looked
at by you know maybe getting swanahannot tokens inside, Ethereum token inside.
And the focus is all about having a slimness user experience for Bitcoin users who doesn't want to kind of bridge that Bitcoin into different chains,
but they still want to kind of buy tokens from different chains.
For example, at BrowSwap, we just went live.
It's currently on beta test, right?
It's public beta.
You can go to protocol.xyz
you know you can buy solar tokens for example using native bitcoin you can swap it and then
the good thing is you hold the solar token itself in a bitcoin wallet instead of juggling multiple
wallets um in the space right a lot of people they wanna they have to they don't really like to juggle multiple wallets and you know the bitcoin ecosystem they are very hard up on holding
anything else other than bitcoin assets and that's where you know we decided to kind of build bro
swap to bring define to bitcoin instead of getting um bitcoin into d5 and of course other than that
um on the bridge side i think many of you guys know about
the bridge side because it was previously an acting product so i might not touch on that but
we have a new product that we're gonna we are pushing up pretty soon which is the broke pay
product which is pretty cool where our goal is to bring liquidity to bitcoin um to let people
outside bitcoin to buy native assets on Bitcoin.
For example, Ordinals, Runes, even other assets that they can connect with
like Liquidium and so on and so forth.
This BroPay is basically what I'm opening up is getting people to buy Bitcoin
assets with Solana, with Ethereum, with any other tokens while the seller still
gets Bitcoin.
Because at the end of the day, when someone wants to do something on Bitcoin,
they want to always mix sets.
They just want to continuously stack sets.
And that's what we're doing to kind of bring more liquidity into the space
from different chains into Bitcoin.
Because for us, our focus has always been the road to bitcoin and we want to
change the narrative that bitcoin is just a typical store asset that people can just hold and
just ignore and hope and pray the price goes up well for and for protocol is all about bringing
define to bitcoin that's just one vision. But the overall vision, you know, protocol itself is a
connectivity layer that we are trying to build an infra on, where our goal is to then connect all the
fragmented sectors in Bitcoin, where, you know, there's L2s, like stacks and everything else.
Of course, we'll be on top of stacks, right? There's Ash Network, there's Mezzo, there's Lightning,
there's so many different L2s out there as well.
And then there's the BTC5 projects that people are building on top of different L2s or native from Bitcoin.
Then there's the native dApps, and then there's the audience and roots.
All these are fragmented, are siloed, and all the liquidity just stuck within its own ecosystem or its own sector.
So BorrowCall has a word mentioned, the name mentioned Bro. Now we want to be a Bro in the space for everyone that we can work with so that we can
create a single platform like a mecca where all we are the point for people to use BroCall to
connect to different parts of the ecosystem in Bitcoin. L2s, BD5, Native DApps, so on and so forth.
And this is something I feel that no one actually are doing
or are actively building to connect all these different rails together.
And that's where we come in to kind of bridge everything together in our ecosystem.
So not only for us trying to get defined to Bitcoin from different chains,
our main goal as well is to connect the ecosystem, to unify the ecosystem,
like what a bro always do to other bros. Yeah. First of all, the name is awesome. Okay. Just
absolutely killed it with naming it bro to call it perfectly it's perfectly in line with the
vision as well and and to my knowledge um i don't know of anyone doing this either and and this is
this is really epic because the the whole the whole paradigm in this space has shifted over a
shifted over a small period of time.
We've gone from Bitcoin not really being usable to, okay, well, I guess we can use this
RAP Bitcoin on Ethereum to, wait, we really need to be able to use Bitcoin and DeFi.
And we've seen this shaping up.
We've seen Stacks be a leader in this effort.
And now, Brodacall is sitting here ready to make it easier for people, regardless of what ecosystem they call home,
being able to easily, you know, use each other's rails.
I think that's pretty epic.
So where are we at and what are
we looking at you know seeing more from protocol yeah i mean just to touch on that right i was
a full-on bitcoin guy i didn't like l2s i think there go you know this right
we chat before and i was always like bitcoin is to be pure and everything
and I was always like, Bitcoin is to be pure and everything.
But along the years, I kind of got a revelation that
how are we going to get more people to adopt Bitcoin
when Bitcoin does nothing more than just holding, right?
Like if you look at the fiat industry and the trade-off industry,
the fiat itself can be used in multiple degrees of sectors
like investing,
buy and sell things, products and services, and so many things we can do to grow their fiat or
spend their fiat. Bitcoin, other than just spending, you can't grow it, right? But this kind of make me
think that how can I get more people to Bitcoin is by making Bitcoin fun again, making Bitcoin usable on different
aspects. That's what kind of make me like get away from this whole super lazyized thinking
into believing that more adoption comes from more usage in the Bitcoin ecosystem. And that's
where I joined Botocall as a CSO. And for Botocall itself, you know, we rebranded and
we relaunched everything from xlink on last wednesday
when we launched our swap which is has been phenomenal where people can actually buy solana
on bitcoin natively and hold the solana on bitcoin and when solana pumps for example they can easily
swap back the one to bitcoin because another day bitcoin holders just want to stack sets
pretty much that's it right and that is life right now on um public testing for beta testing more and more is going to come and of course for bro pay side we are gonna launch it most probably
in two months time um hopefully by bitcoin vegas or a bit more. And that said, we are working as well with projects like JOLTS and Tether as well to bring USDT into Bitcoin via tablet assets, of course.
And I know this is going to really change the entire game.
When Tether announced that they are going to launch USDT on Bitcoin via tablet assets in january a lot of people was like holy
this is this is a game changer because the the what the thing that's lacking on bitcoin
are liquidity for stable coins and to unlock full potential of btc5 you need a rapid amount
liquidity of stable coins and they are the one that might really push bitcoin to the next level when it comes to
defi on bitcoin and we are working closely with them and we can't wait to you know use this new
narrative to push bt5 via stacks via different chains via different l2s and connect all together
so that people from stacks can use people to from Stacks can use Babylon, people from Babylon
can use Merlin, people from Merlin can do Lightning and so on and so forth.
And we want to make it so that the user can choose where they want to go and they can
see that Bitcoin is not a puny ecosystem that what people think outside of Bitcoin.
You know, I've fought with a lot of different people from
different space saying that bitcoin is there's nothing to do bitcoin but now i'm here to prove
to them that by doing this there's more and more things that you can do so yeah
no that's that's epic uh absolutely epic and and agreed. What is Bitcoin's fundamental value come from?
It comes from being able to peer-to-peer transact without a trusted third party anywhere on earth.
And building on that use case, you'll always be able look to to deliver more value and yeah that's super
exciting rubes you got any questions man like this is this is a great absolutely great phenomenal
space so far i'm learning so much today yeah it's been fantastic one question i would add
i noticed your um your based angel uh pfp nakib so So I've got a question about how ordinals and runes will feature into that.
So it would be like you mentioned that people can buy them through protocol.
How would that work?
It's not people can buy them through protocol.
So protocol has three different products, right?
I call it the Holy Trinity, where the bro bridge and bro swap is meant to connect the rails
towards the different protocols out there, the meta protocols,
the different protocols, different L2s in the space, so on and so forth.
Bro pay is more like a B2B concept where my goal is to connect with
different launchpad or different marketplaces
like Magic Eden, Chiyo, Odza and everything so that then now it opens up
a whole new liquidity aspect when people want to buy on mint ordinals,
bid on secondary or on mint.
For example, let's say, you want to launch derivatives of Ninjas, and then you want to launch it via Trio, for example.
What you can do is now, you can, other than just marketing it out or pushing your collection to the same old Bitcoin ecosystem or the Orinans ecosystem,
you can now push it further to Ethereum ecosystem, to even Stacks, I should say,
because you can even use Stacks to buy Orinans in the future with MyBropay protocol.
And then you can even use Solana.
You can go to Solana people.
You can go to anyone else that we can support.
And then when they mint your collection,
you will get sets.
You will get Bitcoin still.
That's insane because no one has done this properly.
All the things that happened was mainly
made people just paying Solana and you get Solana.
For example, shout out to the Tecroot Visa guys, for example, right?
They try to get more liquidity to Bitcoin or more exploitive Bitcoin by having people from Solana min them.
But when they sell these Taproot Visa to Solana guys, they still hold Solana.
Which if you go to us in the future, you get Bitcoin still because that's what you want.
Yeah.
I've got you.
That makes a lot of sense.
So, yeah, people could connect their Solana or Ethereum wallet.
They pay with their whatever currency they want to pay with.
And then BroSwap or BroPay kind of handles the back end of it
and then returns the BTC to the original person
because that's what obviously they want as well.
That's awesome thank you um so i think we've kind of gone gone over the protocol thing though in the key but you know it sounds super exciting um definitely go and follow the the protocol page
you can see it there with the the gold check um do anyone else got anything they want to circle
back on brandon diego and he kind of and we're getting towards the latter end of it.
If anyone's got any questions and want to come up,
feel free to come up and ask any questions for Brandon, Diego,
Zeely, Nikib from Brotacol.
Feel free to drop a comment in the bottom right corner as well.
We'll try and get to those questions if you don't want to come up and speak.
But, yeah, it's been a really good space so far. There's a lot of stuff going on in stacks that we can all be very, very bullish on,
very proud of if you've worked on those things. And yeah, it sounds like there's a lot more to
come as well, which is super, super exciting. So the best is yet to come yet. Yeah, I'll just say
there was a really good question from Cyborg in the chat that I answered, but I just wanted to
talk about it here. So Cyborg asked about how we plan on with all these Zeely campaigns that are going to be launching for Stacks, how we plan on accounting for, for example, verify that a user has an active Twitter account,
has a Discord account, and sort of link those accounts together.
So there's already some built-in verification.
But what we can do is when we're crafting the quests
and the campaigns that we're doing,
there is going to be, of course, airdrop farmers and different participants
that are just trying to get points as quickly as possible. But as we're crafting
these campaigns, we want to make sure that at the end of the day, you know, it's translating back to
new users, you know, on stacks, right, new, new wallets that are getting downloaded for the first
time, right, we want to boost experts in leather wallets getting downloaded, new users,
transaction volume in general, TVL across, you know, all these different DeFi apps. So there's
a lot of things that we are going to be optimizing for. So whether you're an airdrop farmer or not,
you know, it's going to be good for the ecosystem as a whole. So it's a great question. So I wanted
to wanted to shout that out. And yeah, I mean, just in general, like expect some more news on the official Zeely stuff in the next
few weeks. But in the meantime, you know, there's a lot of active Zeely communities that are already
out there, you know, Bitflow obviously has been around for a very long time on Zeely. Granite has
a Zeely, Leather has a Zeely, there's a lot of Zeelys that are out there.
So go check out the ones that are already there
so you can sort of get a head start
on some of the quests and stuff
that we'll be having in the pretty near future.
Yeah, definitely.
That's a good question as well.
But good advice to get into the Zeelys, guys.
You know, get familiar with how it all works.
Get your XP.
Actually start, you know, anticipating what's going to happen with the zealies guys you know get familiar with how it all works get your xp actually start
you know anticipating what's going to happen with the upcoming stacks campaign because it's going to
be well obviously diego's promised now that it's going to be a big one i will be holding him to
that so you know it's it's going to be exciting times for that and obviously opens us up open
stacks up to a whole new wave of people um i know when we did the leo one it brought a lot of
different users um some were airdrop farmers and you know when we did the Leo one, it brought a lot of different users.
Some were airdrop farmers,
and that's fine as well.
There is a place,
and a lot of those, actually,
many of them ended up
learning more about stacks
and actually sticking with it,
which is the key thing.
Maybe they start off not wanting that
and only farming the XP,
but what they might evolve into
and learn more about the space,
it's always, you never know where you're going to end up.
So I think that's a very key part of that.
Yeah, 100%.
Zeely is a great tool to onboard.
And Stacks is a little different.
We have great tools.
We have a little different. You know, we have great tools, we have a mature ecosystem,
and we have a narrative that people are just really starting to come around to.
And it's really anything we can use as a catalyst to help get people up to speed
is important. And, you know, anything that gets people into this community and this ethos to understand that not only are we building on Bitcoin, but, you know, we're doing it in a different way.
We're a very supportive, very solid community.
It's a beautiful thing.
So I really think that this is going to be massively successful.
I'm very bullish on it in general.
And yeah, does anybody have anything, any questions?
We might get GPSC up here to give us a kumbaya message before we go, because I've become accustomed to those.
And yeah, look, guys, guys stay informed get in these spaces um come check out
deorganized deorganized uh we stream just about all day long uh morning show night show uh you'll
you'll stay appraised of everything going on in stacks ecosystem because there's a lot of people
building who um we try to shine
a spotlight on.
Hey, Diego, go ahead.
Now, I just want to chime in to the overall sentiment, and I want to make this as clear
as possible.
What's happening on Stacks right now is huge.
What happened in the last 30 or 90 days or 120 days,
what happened year to date is more than has, you know, has ever happened in many other protocols
of what has happened in Stacks in the previous two years, all compounded into just, you know,
120 days. You know, all of the integrations, the partnerships, the shipping products,
ships, the shipping products, the stable coins, the USDH, what, you know, Broke Protocol, Stax,
Alex, everybody's doing Veler, Perp Dex. These are real builder shipping, real Bitcoin DeFi
at a speed. Yesterday, we were deploying a few contracts on Biflo and I was joking with Dylan.
I was like, Dylan, do you remember when it took one to two hours to approve a transaction?
And now we're doing dozens in a minute just as a test.
So we've come very, very far.
It was just in December when SBTC was launched.
It was, what, fall when Nakamoto was launched.
Like, this is just the beginning.
Stacks is not a side project for many of these builders and community.
It's really the center of gravity for Bitcoin DeFi.
We're seeing it.
And if you believe in Bitcoin long term, this is where you want to build.
This is where you want to participate.
You're early.
I keep on saying that.
It sounds like a broken record, but no one is waiting.
Like you said, Jack, you don't have to ask for permission
to participate. I started in the ecosystem by joining spaces and by just holding a mic. And
that's where I met most of the gigabrains that are still around here four years, five years later. So
shout out to everyone in the community and looking forward to welcoming new members as well.
Looking forward to welcoming new members as well.
Very well said.
And GP, what's up, brother?
We're here for the kumbaya, man.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I always got a kumbaya for the guys, man.
Kumbaya, my lord.
I'm telling you.
It is a great time to be in stacks and be ahead of the curve, like Jackpin Switch likes to say.
It's one of those things you have have so many people that are very passionate about what they're doing and building here in a permissionless, decentralized, trustless environment that fosters collaboration.
It's no wonder that Stacks is getting so much adoption.
You know, we have the SWE network now adopting SBTC,
which is huge news.
We have a lot of other chains that are also adopting SBTC.
Everybody that is here is so early.
It's very hard to fathom.
And I really wish you all a very, very blessed rest of your week.
We have been chipping away and grinding at this rock for a long while,
some longer than others,
but there's a gap to fill for everybody in this ecosystem
to just get their start.
Guys, just keep chipping away
and build the change like CryptoDude and BoostX.
This is the time and place to be in stacks and i truly believe
we're early so you guys stay blessed and uh keep the frequency high and keep love in the room
we're we're building the change and chipping it away
both very well said there i love the come by our message gp and diego that was that was a
beautiful speech about stacks love to youved to hear the bullish sentiment.
I'm feeling it.
Jack's feeling it.
Everyone in the room's feeling it.
It's been a great space today, guys.
Loved hearing more about Zeli and what's going to be coming there with the Stacks integrations.
It makes a huge difference having that on-chain verification as well, which is going to be massive.
I'm looking forward to the campaign going there.
Thanks to Nikib for coming up and talking about protocol.
That sounds like it's going to be a huge thing.
I love the branding there as well, so I'm excited to get trying that.
Actually, I'm going to go ahead and head to the website now for the beta test,
so I'm going to go on and try that.
Thanks to Diego, Brandon, for coming up as well.
I think we're pretty much there, Jack, if you've got any final closing thoughts,
but otherwise I think we're going to head off and we'll see you for Campfire number five.
And hopefully it doesn't become Campfire 5.2 next time.
Hopefully it just stays as number five throughout.
Well, look, we'll see you all next time.
Thanks so much for being here.
And, yeah, let's just get to it, guys.
It's our time.
See you next month, guys.
Cheers. Bye.
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