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Cardano Epoch Hump Banter 🍿♻️🗣️ Come say Hi!😁 E653
Recorded: Sept. 4, 2026 Duration: 0:54:10Space Recording
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The.
I'm not the one who's been running away.
Come on, lad. What's
happening? You
having a wind, Lucas? Hey, good morning. Good Friday. That's another thing, right?
Good Friday is a different thing. Yeah, good. Yeah, Good Friday is a Easter holiday, mate.
Have you been? Yeah, good mate, good mate. Friday night for me. Oh yeah, good. That sounds good.
Are you going out or something? No, I'm fucking staying in, my lord. Misses the miss the miss is out
at the moment, but she she ain't doing nothing fun. Okay. Well, for me it's just another weekday
because from here until the end of September, every day is a work day.
I need to deliver some catalysts things, otherwise they're gonna expire completely.
What's your month for? Web three onboardings, web three workshops. Oh no! Yeah,
it's the wrong season for that, isn't it? Fuck yeah! There's been no onboarding.
I don't know what's going on here. Yeah. So I'm gonna have to see it through.
I'm trying to get at least five, six learners for each cohort, and I want to start cohorts
next week. And I've been, yeah, I've been only. You know, you know, there, there is,
there is someone that has an onboarding that could probably help you. Cool. I can probably go into.
Ah, forget what they're called, but it's Nate and Stock Trade. So what they they did? Opti
or something? Optim or Olympus or it's something. Yeah, I think I think I think you're on.
I think you're on to it. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, because because Nate. Yeah, because Nate.
But the the what Nate did is he got he got lucky. He got Stock Trade involved, right?
And Stock Trade. He's a dude from Sydney, right? And he owns a reasonable size development company.
They do web two development only, but StockTrade is also a big corporate investor.
So he's got his own corporate investment company, which he outsources corporate investments.
So you come to him and he finds your investments, but he also invests pretty heavily himself.
And so StockTrade's got a. So what Nate was doing was through the education system,
but the thing is, StockTrade's already like been very successful in that field with like
different platforms and stuff. And so he's got all the connections. But also he's like he's across
the board like. Stocktrader talks about Web three and he's pretty cool and all this sort of stuff.
Don't get me wrong, but people see him in Carano and think that he's a nobody. But in reality,
like he's a fucking huge dude in the industry because he's connected. He was actually on a podcast
the other day about AI because he's pushing AI early, and he's he was on one
of the biggest podcasts. Well, oh fuck, probably the third biggest podcast in Australia. Cool,
but but that's got nothing to do with anything. That just means that they they saw his value.
But no, and so yeah, so they've structured it business wise, and and they pushed into Africa,
which I don't know why they did, and they got a lot of users, but I still think that's a bad.
I I see that as a as a bad way to do it. I'm sorry, users for what? Oh,
their education platform thing for the education thing. Okay, yeah, but to me it doesn't matter.
But it doesn't matter what it is. It just matters it users. Like we, you know,
we're talking about adoption, so it doesn't matter if it's education or if it's trading NFTs.
It doesn't matter. Users are users, like. It doesn't matter. There's a value to it, you know.
I really steer away from from the DeFi thing. I'm I'm onboarding people to Web three,
and if because I feel like it's a slippery slope. So what are you onboarding on four?
What are you onboarding on four? If it's not DeFi? Well, like you were reacting like you you did
because it's the wrong season to onboard people to Web three. No, no, yeah.
But what would what would you now? But regardless, what would you want someone to come to?
My my I was recording videos yesterday to push to Instagram and things like that.
I'm talking about digital materials and digital objects. So that's NFTs and in and fungible tokens,
right? But digital materials, for example, the the fungible tokens. I'm mostly explaining people
that Bitcoin exists as a store of value, that ADA exists as digital terrain on Cardano,
so they can vote and stake for production of blocks. And I'm not advising anyone to invest
or to get yield or anything. If they want to, you know, get into as as someone
that never touched anything, that doesn't even understand what Bitcoin is as a digital commodity.
If you DCA into Bitcoin, that should be good enough for you for the first at least six months
to a year, and then if you want, you can look into more things. That's usually what I explain.
And on Cardano, if we if you narrow it like I'm doing, we have ridiculously small use cases to demo,
like Book.io, where you can open a book, or you can do I don't know. We I used to mention Newm
and things like Landano, but I think you understand where I'm going, right? Yeah, well, yeah,
Book.io. I think, and I'm pretty sure that's a failed project. Noom, as far as I know,
that's a failed project, and it's gone. It's gone. Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, yeah. Well,
the thing that's no, I liked it. I liked the Noom guys too. That's the problem. It sucks,
but it just is what it is. I liked them. The book AI guys, I didn't, I didn't know them at all.
You know, I saw the hype, and I, you know, the Gutenberg Bibles and that. You know,
all this was great. And you know, they got the big investor thing and that, but it's
like they never, they never did anything other than sold just revenue chase, which is fine.
They should do that. Don't get me wrong, but they've got to do it from a point of adoption.
They can't do it from a point of just. You know, pushing the same market
like they—they didn't—they—they never, you know, transact did anything. Yeah, but the thing is,
like my my posture, however. Low the tide is on this on the Web3 use cases and adoption thing.
That's where I want to work on. I'm not gonna just if I wanted to to park my Web3
non-financial use cases onboarding thing. I would go work in Web2. I would go work in AI.
I would go work in in a number of other things that that are my line of business.
But I wouldn't go work in DeFi. Sorry. You gotta lay some bricks. It doesn't matter. Like works,
work. It's all honest work. Yeah, no. I'm thinking like even even like in my area,
I have 25 years in in IT. I used to work in wealth management banking
as a data viz technical business analyst, managing managing projects and all that, right?
So I I would be and I I also can teach music and I I'm a musician and part time and so I love to do
other things. What's your What's your instrument? Well, it's it's almost I don't have one
because I started with guitar. I played upright bass, then I I played mandolin and flute.
I taught music for two years in primary school as a side job. I can play piano and the Strand drums,
and now I'm playing. I'm learning the cello. So you see, I'm I'm not kidding about like being a bit
like a multi. Yeah, that's what my dad was like. My daddy just blows my mind every now
and again because he played guitar forever, and growing up, that's all I knew. But then,
as I got older, all of a sudden, someone you know, my sister would learn the clarinet,
and he could play the clarinet just as good as he could play guitar. And then, you know,
someone's played drums. All of a sudden, he was a drummer, and I'm like, "What the fuck?
" And he's like, "Yeah, no, I'm a musician. I'm not a guitarist." Music is amazing.
But you become a musician. Yeah, you become a musician mainly as you're listening to music.
If if you listen and you're digesting everything, you're learning to play the drums
by actively listening to music and listening to the drums. And drums and guitar, like drums,
I can understand, but when you're grabbing like a clarinet and you can play that,
that blows my mind. Like how the fuck can you go from anything to a clarinet? Like
because there's buttons on that bloody thing. You know, having touched
so many different instruments, I can see like the the relationships between the notes,
how you have in harmony and the bass line and this and that. And I usually teach music
because I've also been in the university music group folk group for twenty years or more.
Given rehearsals there and all that for for some of those years, and I usually teach music
as a circle of notes, not the circle of fifths, just like a clock with the twelve half tones
and the seven notes in the middle there, and you can see like a perfect fifth is twenty
or thirty-five minutes. A major third is 20 minutes, and it's like like angles
between the the notes, and you just rotate those dials on the clock, and you can know exactly what
the relationship is between any note, and that is useful for flute or for piano or for guitar
or for cello or for anything. So when you when you start, I'm just replying to what you said about
someone being able to transition quickly between an instrument to the other.
The music is is always the same. You just need to know, like you don't,
you're no longer thinking of what string is this or what what note am I on. You're just thinking,
how do I find a fifth to this? How do I find an octave to this? And if you
if you learn to navigate the instrument, yeah, you start being able to speak in this language.
There was something that that that messed with that up a bit is when because he was always
in bands as well. Like he he was electrical engineer that was his trade, but he was always in bands.
Like always played Friday Friday night, Saturday night. Like you know,
very rare to have a night off unless we were going away or something. You know,
he always played at the local pub, but but anyway, what messed him up is his lead guitarist
for his band back then. He he died of cancer, and they and and his wife wanted him to do like
a a concert for him, like a few weeks after he, and the and then she wanted dad to play lead guitar.
And Dad basically spent two weeks from strum guitar to lead guitar. He did nothing else.
That's all he did because he didn't want to fuck it up. And and that was hard. That that to me,
I was a kid. I was like ten or eleven. But that was that that was hard for him compared to you know.
Like I said, he could pick up any instrument and play in a band setting, no problem. You know,
but from going from yeah to go to lead guitar to he that was that to me seemed really hard for him.
Yeah, yeah. That was that was a whole different instrument. I'm talking freely about, you know,
playing around with an instrument and playing like the most known melodies, or or finding a riff
or something. Yeah, you can jump in a band and play background music, sort of thing, pretty easily.
Yeah, I'm going to do what I'm going to do with the cello is a bit like that. I I I can write staff
and read it and all that with the notes. With the cello, I'm going back to the basics of
when I learned guitar, and instead of of looking at the notes and knowing what notes I'm doing,
I'm doing, I'm just going to play by ear, find the melodies I want to. I'm going to. Sorry,
should have contextualized it. There was a metal band, a local one. They're going to do an acoustic,
and they invited me to play upright bass with them. And I said, it's better to do cello.
I want to try this, and so I'm just hanging. I'm just complementing what they what they do,
and I'm going to find some melodies by year that I can do on the cello. Make a note in a tablature,
which is just the number of the fret you're you're stepping on, and and just like play by that
by year with those mementos of things like those those notes, and I'm never even going to know
what notes I'm doing. And in terms of technical ability with the instrument.
I've never done vibratos, and I've never I've I've played with the bow a lot,
but I've um there's a lot that I can't do with the cello. Oh yeah, yeah,
the cello is a completely different instrument too. Like it's yeah, that that's what blows my mind
is how quickly they can pick it up. Like and people like you, it's unbelievable to me.
And you know because I never I never got into it, I never got into it. Yeah,
and like I can understand notes, and you know, and I understand I can read music,
and but I just never got into music. Like I just you know I spent a couple years in it
when I was young, and But it just wasn't my thing, you know. And Dad never pushed me into it.
I wish he did, to be honest. But he never did. Just like, here's a guitar. If you want to learn it,
do it yourself. It's got nothing to do with me, sort of thing. That attitude, you know. I spent
a couple of years. But that was it. Rubik's cube is a nice analogy because if you learn the three
by three, you learn the algorithms and the tricks and how to navigate it,
and it's very easy to go from a three by three Rubik's cube to a two by two to a four by four,
even those triangular ones. If you look at the triangular one as a two by two, it's the same. So
once you learn the three by three, you can port over to everything else. I'll tell you right now,
if you if you can find a way to to mirror mirror that sort of. Knowledge base that you have with
the adoption base that you want to do—that's how you win. That's how you win. Yeah, I'm not joking.
Like that's that's how you win. That's how you really because I'll tell you right now, doing doing
broad adoption, I don't know, mate. You you're pretty much cooked. You've got to find a meta,
and you're good at that. You know what I mean? You know, I think. The state of work too for me,
I'm sort of content with it existing so that anyone can build on it. And so, if Book.io fails,
I still believe that in the future, Amazon's book that's a record in their database
is going to lose to eventually someone doing proper books on the blockchain. Blue ownership titles,
I mean. So eventually, I do believe what I'm sort of selling, and and unfortunately,
what I'm starting to see, my thing is literally called 45B, which is ADA, you know,
all the ADA that's ever going to exist. It's very Cardano centric, but I'm starting to come to terms
with the fact that I'm going to have to start showcasing other chains,
things that are being done in other chains, just to start onboarding people to Ethereum at large.
When I'm, are you still there? I think I lost Riza. Guys, welcome everyone.
Everyone has been invited to come up. This is just a banter session. We're going to be here.
Actually, we're touching the exact top of Epoch six five three. So we're going to be here just
for fifteen, twenty two minutes more
until seven past the hour. And we're curious to know what you've been up to.
I think I need. Yeah, I need to approve the request. I'm so sorry.
Yeah, I'm back. I wrapped up, mate. Sorry. Yeah. But yeah, no, I heard half what you said before I,
because it has a delay. And yeah, I see what you're doing. I really do, and you know,
his show goes another change, and you know, it is the only way forwards, obviously. But like I said,
you need to find a different. You need to find a niche that's going to work because it's not.
It's not going to work. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. Like.
We're looking for a cohort. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. You find a metaphor.
Find something mental, crazy, different. You know what I mean? The thing is,
I'm not I'm not creating use cases myself. I'm just an educator onboarding people to this space.
I understand and I love, and I would I have some ideas to create my own products in Web3,
but mostly I think it's a vantage point to be doing what I'm doing. You can literally find, like,
there's a is a dumb idea. You can literally find a big streamer for a game like Call of Duty
or something, and just say, look, here's a thousand bucks, you know, or here's you know
ten thousand bucks, or you know time percentage you're getting, and say, let's do an NFT project.
You know what I mean, and then like literally do a free mint or something,
and then anyone that mints, you know, do like a one k collection or less. Anyone that mints
and get some really cheap art, you know, I could probably get you some art done from
some random artist for you know a few hundred dollars that suits them. I don't know.
Just say you know, and just and just all because that means they will get their followers
that are already real people to come and join. You know what I mean? Yeah,
but and I know that you're trying to get from a different angle, and I know
that you're trying to get people to buy Ada and stuff like that. No, no, no, not at all. I'm.
I'm not. I don't measure the success of Cardano by the value of ADA, and I don't tell anyone
to invest in ADA. Yeah, but adoption. Adoption is people using Cardano. That's adoption.
That's the only adoption that matters. Yes, you need people that are gonna.
You need people that are gonna. You know, I know. That's what I'm trying to say.
So that's what you need. You need people to get a wallet, and if that wallet is to buy one NFT
from one random person, even if it's free, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. Look at that person.
That person gets 10k, and all of a sudden they they let a thousand people. I don't know.
Become I don't know some benefit in their TikTok stream. It doesn't matter what it is. Yeah,
I I I like you. I know that you you're coming from a good place, but I feel like a lot
of what you're talking about sounds a bit like a multi-level thing of okay,
these people are going to onboard another's or something like that. And again,
if you look at the example of Book.io for for example, the filed example guide the book.
They say they failed miserably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In terms of what the activity that
people usually measure on Cardano is, okay, how many transactions are being made,
and how much ADA is being bought and staking, and etc. That project delivers value
because people buy a digital thing and they hold it in their wallet to read.
So it's like a book on a shelf. An NFT from a book from Bookdot.io should be literally like a book
on a shelf that people bought, and I just have like a ton of them there.
So they're not transacting with it. It's really just every time they open the book.
The data miner is checking if it's still in their wallet. You know, no one reads the books
from Book.io. Like not a single person. There's not been a single book launched on Book.io that
people buy and actually read. Like that, it was all just like a meta thing. So,
who reads the books from Amazon? The digital books they they are selling. Book readers.
Book readers. Yeah, they're real people. Yeah. But Book.io,
but Book.io did never they never reached outside Cardano. It was literally just Cardano people
trading their books and buying their books and hoping they're going to go up in value
and all this shit. But those users are gone now. Yeah, because that's just speculation.
It's it's it's a dead meta. We can't we can't use that meta because it failed.
But you could build on that meta and and change it or do something. But book IO is a failed project.
I'm going to ask you again, like I I asked you a while back. Yeah. Do you think like ten, fifteen,
twenty years from now, it's going to be the same business model of Amazon selling books that are
just a record on their database, or do you think they're eventually going to have to adopt
some some blockchain because people understand that Amazon Amazon Amazon Amazon
reinvested everything they ever made. For twenty years, they were bankrupt. Like I don't know
how many times. The only reason they survived the dot com bubble was because they got
massive internal funding, and they turned themselves into a delivery. Because with Amazon,
they realised that the biggest issue they were having was delivery, and so they turned themselves
into a delivery. Yeah, I'm talking about just the book use case. The digital book use case.
Amazon's not a book shop. Amazon is not book.io. So, so the whole point of crypto was to get rid of
Amazon. Amazon should not exist. But the problem is, Amazon turned themselves into a hard,
like a a hard delivery product. So whatever you ordered came to your house.
So you don't go to Amazon to buy a book to read later. You buy Amazon to buy, you know, to
either buy a book that you can read in your hand, or you just buy a fucking I don't know,
a chicken pen or a new fucking TV. Like that's what Amazon is. It's a delivery system.
It's got nothing to do with books. It never did. By saying Amazon, I meant the leads
in digital books. I'm I'm googling who they are because I thought Amazon would be one of those,
but I'm talking about digital books or I don't know swords on the World of Warcraft game.
Digital books are going to be directly through the app that you buy them on.
So you know they're obviously and and they're basically non-existent these days.
But but let's go back to when you had like I can't remember what they called.
You used to buy like the the iPads just for books. You know what I mean?
That's where the market was. Kindle, Kindle, yeah. So you buy the hardware and then they had it.
They had the monopoly. You know what I mean? Like, it's you know, and obviously, you know,
I can get on my iPhone and I could buy a digital book and I could read it. But the thing is,
why would I? I could literally Google books, like, and I could like find some brand new book that
some random dude's made that's just got the best votes and it's free. You know, and it
and it's probably going to be better than fucking half the best books of history.
You know what I mean? Because it's got, you know, because the readers have given it a, you know,
four and a half star out of five. You go, holy shit, this is going to be better than, you know,
because I don't know, talking about books, like I'm old school, so I'm, you know, and I'm also,
I don't know, maybe a bit weird, but I really like Mossflower and and Redwall
and and and stuff like that. Like I'm old school. But you know, a lot of people don't even know
those books, but I love I love that series. But I added something on the chat
because I was looking up who are the leads in in digital books, and we do have Amazon Kindle
and Kindle Unlimited, and then Apple Books, Google Play Books, Audible.
I don't know that kind of stuff. I just wanted to also acknowledge we have Don Corrent in the room.
I really wanted to check in with you if you want to come by and let us know what you've been up to.
My phone actually is showing me two other people that probably dropped off. And Riza,
do you know like stock trade? Do you know if I could? How can I find them on on X?
Because if I put in those words, it's going to show a lot of not him, right? Yeah.
Let's check the messages. His at is. Oh, I just saw his message. I clicked it and it went out of it.
His at is at stock trade twenty thirty six. At stock trade. I'm just curious. And by the way,
Nate does have a project called Olympus. So I got it right, but it's Olympus. Olympus Insights.
I don't even know how they're going, but they were they were doing really well.
They really like pushing to Africa. They had like eighteen staff. They onboarded like
you know I think they onboarded like fifty, maybe no, I think like one hundred
and fifty thousand users or some stupid shit in six months. The problem I was there was no value
in that. Obviously, you know. I was checking in with him. We we were both in Argentina,
and I was having dinner next to him on one of the two occasions there.
He felt like a really nice guy, very focused and but still helpful, you know. So,
looking to share insight about what he does. I'm sorry, I was writing stock trade,
but I didn't catch the numbers that you said in the end. I think it was 2036, but I'm just not.
I'm back on my phone. His real name's Mark. If you actually met him, 2036, found him. Yeah,
his name's Mark. I didn't even realize you'd met him, but yeah, his name's Mark. I'll get, I'll get,
bring him. I'll get, bring him, and he join the space. I don't know. I didn't know you knew him.
If he's available, but yeah, well, that's okay. I'm, I'm just having a look at what they have on
their, um, his profile. I see Phil Lewis here from Baka. Uh, there's a lot of nice folks
from your side doing nice things. I never saw it. I never followed what they did. Um,
don't get me wrong. I'm, you know, good friends with Stark, and I really like Nate.
A big supporter of all their stuff, but I never followed what they did because it's just not
my thing. And it's not because I don't want them to do great, and they did really good, you know,
from well, you know, a year ago, back when shit was people were talking.
So I haven't paid attention for a long time. But I don't know. I just never followed it. You know,
they used to message me anytime they messaged me, I'd retweet their post or anything. You know,
help them out whenever I can, but. You know, it's just it's just it's just not my type of thing.
Like it just bores me, so I don't care. You know, like educational platforms and stuff. It's not me.
You know, we can't all be the same. You know, just no, you do you, and yeah, and and that
and that's the good thing about everything is everyone's different, and that's what it should be.
And you're sharing a nice perspective because when I'm being very idealistic about, yeah,
books are going to be amazing and all that. Bitcoin is also amazing. It's been around for 20 years
almost, and no one gives a damn. So it's only when the economy collapses
that people are going to race for something or start shooting Bitcoiners because they caused it.
So yeah, yeah I don't know. I don't know. There's probably going to be a meta. Well,
coming forward is what happens when AI takes over everything. What's that matter?
Because that that's probably only two and a half years away. You know,
we're we're literally the preface to industrial revolution. I think we're gonna we're we're
we're preparing for a big crash in the economy, to be honest, because this I I think
and I've been trying to use it in so many different angles, but I'm pretty sure
it's not going to go exponential in terms of productivity and all that. I don't know.
I'm I'm sort of biased because I've spent my whole life as an IT consultant in companies. Yeah,
you're an IT. Improve processes. Are you? Do you still work in that field at all?
Like even associated? Cool. Sorry. Are you still working in IT at all? In any way? Well,
I quit my job in 2020, and I've been in Cardano since 2022. Outside now. So. I do websites and apps
and things like those. Companies now are at a point, and even small, like I'm talking about,
like government departments, we're at a point where they're getting forced into AI. Like literally,
if you're not using AI, then you know you're probably going to get replaced.
Like that's that's where the development is right now. Do it? Did you ever use like back in the day?
Did you ever use? And this is still a modern system. Oh, so 2020. So maybe not.
Did you ever use OutSystems? I'm Portuguese, so they are Portuguese. I interviewed for OutSystems.
Oh, there you go. So one of my mates, I know the guys in there. One of my mates, Joker,
he was one of the first, the first adopters of OutSystems in Australia.
And I remember he rang me up years ago, and he's like, "Oh, mate," and he's a dev,
like he's always been a dev, and you know, always he's worked his way up. Never did uni.
Just worked his way up. He worked for mining companies through a connection, that you know,
mutual connection, got him a job just fixing computers. He works well, very smart dude.
Don't read it in university, is because he just had family problems when he was young. But very,
very like stupidly smart. Like I'm, you know, one of them dudes that are just a freak
with computers. But yeah, he just never did uni. And he got a job and worked his way up,
and you know, and got on a high level. Like he worked with the federal police.
Like he was tracking VPNs because there was like no one in the world that could do it.
And he was tracking them. He figured out a way, and he was tracking them.
And and the Australian federal police were flying him all around, and he was tracking VPNs
and and catching big pedophile gangs. He was the one of them, like, you know, just a freak.
Like he was just real good at just doing weird shit. And he rang me up one day and he goes, oh,
there's this new platform coming called Outsystems and it looks fucking insane. And he goes,
I'm thinking about fucking looking into it. And I go, I don't know. If you say it's good, mate,
because I'm just a tradie. I go, if you say it's good and you don't like lean hard into it,
you're an idiot. And he goes, yeah, right. I'm going to go hard on this.
And he just leant right into it. And he, I don't know if they did pre courses
or whatever they did through Outsystems, but it wasn't through schools.
But he just leant right into it. And then he applied for this job and the money was fucking insane.
Like I'm talking half million dollars a year. Yeah, that's like me being thrown at things.
And you know, I worked in out systems. Like he couldn't believe that they gave him the job,
and and he and he said he talked to another dude that he knew, and he he said,
"How did I get this job?" And he goes, "You're the only dev in Australia that's like qualified with
out systems." So this this out world he was in, and then obviously about low code.
There's always this trade off in IT where if you want to. Automate something,
or if you want to code, you can have expressiveness and and in the programming side,
where you can then abstract from like the complexities with all like just putting in a big handle
that people just press. In that way, you just need to you pull that lever,
and you don't get to select any details. So low code is a lot about that.
And I was already writing like a developer, writing a lot of code and writing my own SQL to to run
the data through things. And so in London for three years, I was consulting in Canary Wharf
and in the banking sector with the low code thing, and it's painful as hell. And so it was
three years there. I did like small projects, three six months. I was rotating customers for
Oxford University, for PwC, KPMG, those kinds of guys. And the requirements work is actually
the biggest one there. That's why I was a technical business analyst mostly. But then,
like after quitting that job and coming to Lisbon, I went into OutSystems
and a friend of mine from university, like the music thing. I get to have drinks for ten years
or more with the engineers being trained in the best universities in the country.
So one of those guys is is leading a department for Iberia in OutSystems, and I went in
and he was interviewing me to be like I don't know his his sidekick or a product specialist
in that OutSystems. I just looked him in the eye and said, "Does this really work,
or is it just show flash in the pan or something like that?" And he didn't really like.
He was looking at me like, "Yeah, you actually need to make it work. You, it's not magic, you know.
" So the low code thing, I, I, I went through that, and it's sort of a micro expression of what
AI is going to do as well, because AI is magic and it can solve everything,
but then you actually need to need to do the groundwork.
And that in AI can can like they can play chess better than any human.
They can do a lot of stuff because it's on like either very discrete level,
or you can only move the piece here or there, or because it's like guessing on a high level.
Then to go into a company and to really chew up their database to find all the connections,
to clean up the data, to train the users. It's like a multidisciplinary project, I think,
and and I understand, and I'm I'm all for it. I'm trying to use AI as much as I can.
I'm using at least three or four things. I have credits. I'm using DeepSeek.
I'm trying to put it in my websites as a chat companion, but I just don't think it's going to make
the government work better. For example, you know. Optimizing things has to do, for example,
in that case, with political willpower, with political, you know, to to to change
and optimize things enough. If they were to do that, eventually the government would have to shrink,
and how would they pull that off? You know, in terms of like economics,
government's always going to grow. So there there's this tension where on one side you
you have apparently a force that's going to optimize everything, but on the other side you have
an economy that can't shrink, right? It's going to be very interesting,
and I think a lot of people should learn a bit more about macroeconomics of like
how money needs to continue be created forever, because something's going to crack in the future.
And I'm not sure, but I want to have a bit of Bitcoin, and I'm very happy that I'm not working in
traditional finance at the moment. I'm not sure if I lost you. We still haven't let Don Current
say hi and share a bit. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm just just playing soccer at the moment. I'm still here.
I'm still listening. I'm just playing soccer. Okay. Let's see if Stone Current has something
to share with us. We're getting to the end of our time today, but I wanted to check in as well.
Have you been? Hi GM, GM, everybody. I've been doing great. It's been it's been a productive week.
GM Risha, this is the first time I'm seeing you. Happy to meet you as well. Like I said, this week
or this past few, since the last time we spoke on the space. I've been quite productive.
I've been traveling. I've mostly been on the road. I I didn't touch it traveling my country.
We had a program at home, and um, you know, I told you that I'm a sound engineer,
and then I also play drums and other stuff. So um, so when when I traveled,
we had a church program where I handled sound, and I also handled the media at the same time.
Where about? Where about you from, mate? Where about you from? Um, I'm I'm Nigerian. Nigerian.
There you go. Great greatest country in Africa, other than South Africa, maybe. Well, used to be,
but let's go second. Let's go equal with South Africa. Wow, that's nice. So, um, aside that,
I've been doing a lot of content as well. Um, I did the content for with regards to one of the ones
that that link um hosted the strike um five percent discount campaign that's they they are hosting,
which is going to end this week. Um, and then for the past two weeks now,
I'm collaborating with them, darling, to be ghosting spaces with them, and um,
it's actually something cool and new for me. So we have been talking about um,
it's more focused on um how to be a better creator and how to make people become more creative.
Especially in the Cardano ecosystem, so we are talking about different topics,
and then at least in in the last space we had, we had like almost two x the last people we had
the previous space, which was last week. So yeah, so the space now hosts every Thursday around
for three p.m. UTC. Okay. So yeah, but for today, I I still have um people that
I'm going to shoot contents for. So basically throughout this week, it's just contents, contents,
contents for me, and then yeah, like I said, I've I've also started my IT.
So my IT is another thing that's been making me. I haven't been that fully active on X
or other places as well. You've started what? I'm doing internship, my internship here.
I'm doing yeah for my course, yeah. So that's why. Cool, that's a lot. You know,
I I know Ada Link for I don't know three four years already. Uh, it's been an interesting project.
Uh, to maturing and experimenting. Initially, they were trying to do a connection between YouTubers
and um. Stakeholder operators now they're more just on the content grooming,
like preparing people to produce content. And I think you're a great fit for for what they do.
Right? I had never heard of these spaces. I made a note, 3 p.m. UTC on Thursdays.
I'm not sure I can make it because next few weeks it's gonna it's gonna be crazy for us.
I'm gonna be hosting. Two full cohorts of Web3. So the next three weeks,
we're going to do nine sessions for for each cohort. Obviously, people don't need to come to all
of them, but I'm going to make sure that the presentations and sort of like the material
that is going to be taught is going to be like the first 40 minutes or or I don't know,
ending the first hour of of every session. We have solid material being exposed,
and then people have a lot of QA. People have a lot of hands-on, and like in these three weeks,
they go through the whole 45b Web3 onboarding workshops thing. I'm saying like I think I said
two cohorts, right? So it's going to be one in Portuguese and one in English,
and I'm recruiting learners for for this. So if you know anyone that's curious to do the whole thing
from top to bottom, that would be great. If people have less availability,
we have a format which is synchronous with Q and As. And I'm still going to be creating
the the landing page or the the knowledge base for that as well. So I'm going to do it in parallel,
accumulating the knowledge as a formal. Because currently I've only been using Miro board.
So we need a formal knowledge base thing to support our sessions. And yeah,
you've been on some of them, right? On with the Gimbal Labs crew. I I have a quick question.
So do have you ever planned on having someone to like help you out and like doing having
these cohorts, even if the person like has to do something like the introduction for you,
while you dive into the um the the much bigger section of it. Well, I I haven't thought of it
because I don't have the budget for it to be honest. This proposal was approved. Technically,
there was technically. I don't know about that thing. Yeah, technically, it must not be paid. Um,
so for instance, now someone like me now. Um, one of the reasons why I love teaching is
because that's basically the way I learn more. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah. For instance,
now over the over the cost of five years plus having the web three space
or rather the crypto space per se, what made me know what I know now was
because I have been teaching people since 2021. I had my own community.
Now I also um help I also help like other people other communities I I've partnered with
more than twenty plus community this year to like help educate their community so I believe even
if it's not intensified now we can work around it at least for the intro part about them all
you have to just send me the material I believe I can know I will from at least from going through
the material I can also do more research on them and then at least I help you like
so that the reason for is so that you don't um hold the stress of teaching every time because we are
human beings so at some point yes it always comes back to I I think I've done like six cohorts
already and I keep improving the material and that's why I like doing it myself.
Because it's a process that you need to see from the inside out and feel how it's working with
learners. Just yesterday, I spent, by the way, yesterday the full day preparing content, as you say.
So I I had a discussion with a friend at 9 a.m. I wrote some texts at 10,
11 a.m. Then I was recording them for a while in my phone and with the computer and speaking
and going back and forth with the teleprompter. Then I sent it to my video guy.
He sent me the subtitle transcripts. I was correcting the subtitles. It was
a full day just to make three. Two-minute videos for Instagram. So yeah, I feel your pain,
and but it's fun. I don't know. I I'm very. It it would be great to have more support.
And and one thing that I think makes a lot of sense is that you have been attending
the English Gimbalabs partnership of these workshop. And I've posted it on the comments here.
I'm going to share it to the jumbotron as well. This is a post from February when we started,
or when we were still getting the first signups from Aomi and Jethro and those kinds
of participants. But yeah, coming back to what you said, since you've already been familiarized with
the course. Now, these next three weeks is actually an opportunity to to help out
on the other cohorts because the cohort you've attended was sort of the first one in English,
and now I want to do another cohort in English, which is going to be the nine sessions in
three weeks. And then, in parallel, I want to start an asynchronous cohort,
which is about the knowledge base that people can read and watch a few clippings,
videos for content. And then, so that cohort is really just going to be sorry,
just ambulances around here. I think it's done. That asynchronous cohort is going to be.
Only watch the videos, watch the knowledge base, and come schedule QAs with us, Q and As with us.
Also, that's going to be done ideally with translation translated versions.
So I want to partner up with Baudouin from Congo with people from Latin America
to try to help review the translations. That is for for Spanish and French,
and I wanted to be able to organize some calls in their languages as well. So I don't know.
This is the the introduction I can give you to to what how you could articulate because. Yeah,
budget is really, really scarce because Ada is at one fourth of what it was when we got funded.
But we need to see see this through in September. Like Rizzo is reacting,
it's not the best time
to be waking up people to Web3 because Web3 itself is asleep. But we're going to do our best.
Sorry, I was storming. I was ranting a bit. No, no, no, no, no. I, I, I got no problem. Um,
don't worry. The thing is, this you can still send me um the stuff, um while I,
I'll put I'll put the sign up for the work um for the work um workshop and everything down.
But just like I said, we can still talk in DMs. Um, places I can help. Um, it's not for me. I'm,
I'm not always after the morning for me to do some certain things. So even if you want to,
but that can be a better sense, yeah. You know what I'm trying to do here is to have something
to onboard people from the real world, like accountants, business associations, merchants.
A merchant only cares mostly about Bitcoin to start with in terms of taking payments in Bitcoin.
But if he knows what NFTs are today, in two or three years, he's probably going to be more prone
to creating an app that articulates, you know, his loyalty points with customers
or something like that. So I'm sort of planting seeds, and these courses were funded.
I'm trying not to lose the funding by delivering this this sprint that I was describing to you,
but also I wanted to do this because it's going to create sort of real estate material for me to be
able to sell trainings. These sessions that I've done five cohorts or seven cohorts of,
I want to sell the tenth cohort to a business association or something like that.
So it's it's there that we're going to capitalize on it. That's interesting.
I understand better now. Yeah. Did you get an invite invitation for a session today
at two thirty UTC? Yes, but I'll see. I'll see. I'll have to wrap up the content
because I'll be moving out in less than an hour right now to go and shoot the content I have on my
on my list. So if I'm able to like wrap up before before two thirty itself,
I I should be able to like join the call. Okay. I just want to make sure you you have you you're
you're in the loop, right? You're able to come to the call if you if you see it if you're able
if you have time. Yeah, sure, sure. I'll I'll try my best to like
because I I've I've already sketched out my day is gonna play out so, um I'll try to like maximize
this small time I have today and then I'll be able to join the class today. Okay, okay, okay. Cool.
Ah, yeah, I think that's it. I'm going to wrap up. We should have closed for a while now,
and um I'm gonna go and and work on my, uh recruiting learners for this training.
Thank you so much for coming by. Uh, we we lost Riza in the way, but um,
we're gonna be back in five days, so next Wednesday. Yeah, sure, sure.
I said I was not gonna miss today's zone, so I had to like shift other things I was doing. So um,
yeah, that's that's why I came in on. Great stuff. We are caught up. See you in a bit,
and keep in keep keep in touch in the end if you need. No problem. Bye.
