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Cardano Over Coffee ☕️ open mic 🎙️
Recorded: Sept. 29, 2026 Duration: 2:43:02Space Recording
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need to, need to, need It is also drama Tuesday, so bring those drama.
Let's see if we can arrive at some understanding. It is plant porn Tuesday.
I'm coming to you live from a beautiful garden, although they have demolished half of this space.
They're building something. Shijui, I don't know. Uh, so right now there's a bit of plant
and machines and dirt. Uh, I guess I get to really, really touch grass and touch earth today. So
if you have a plant, go say hi, water your plant, dust your plant. Go for a walk.
If you're in one of those concrete jungle, find a little sad park to to sit on the bench.
Do you remember when New York was building a park underground? Did they ever do that?
I I need to I need to check on that history. Sheesh, the things we do for Earth. For touching grass,
while still still feeding the The capitalist engine. But go touch grass. Come say hi.
Come say what you're sipping today. Is it happy hour where you are? Is it siesta time?
We don't have a guest, so it is banter, open mic for the full two hours.
You're going to hear me yap, or you can come and yap about whatever you like. Let's go.
We're here four days a week, by the way. We'd like to make that five. We're looking for a host
for Wednesday. So if you like the show and you think. You might find two hours out of your week
to enjoy the silliness. Hit us up in the DM. The folks that run the show right now are Eepak, Chad,
Lydo, Christina, our Supreme Court justice. That's not. Did she win? I keep forgetting if she's
if she's if she's on the CC or not. But we love her. Blackjack sometimes when he remembers to,
and of course we have our very own potty mouth Maureen out of Cameroon. So by the way,
you don't you you can run the show from anywhere. I'm in Nairobi. Maureen is in Cameroon.
Chad is always on the road. Epoch is sometimes on some Vegas mountain or whatever,
doing something with the kids. I'm not sure. Blackjack has moved three times in the last year.
I don't know where where he is these days. His wife told him to not move in again, so maybe, maybe,
maybe he will be stable now. Let's go. How are you, Chad? GMGM. Hey, I'm doing all right, Lido. Uh,
how's the weather over there? We're we're getting a hurricane barreling down on us. It is beautiful.
You know, Kenya is usually they keep talking about talking about El Nino. Um,
Kenya has our own version of El Nino. I don't know if the one they're talking about in Europe
and wherever else. Is going to affect Kenya too. There's a huge, huge, massive,
massive weather event, unprecedented coming. But for today, it is beautiful and sunny. What? Sorry.
What do you mean by that, man? What do I mean by what? There's a massive world event coming.
That's what you just said, man. Weather event. Weather. Weather event. El Nino. El Nino.
I keep hearing it on the news. I don't know which countries will be affected, but it's huge. Like.
Massive, massive. People keep talking about it as early as, as lately as like fifteen hours ago.
Well, I've been born and raised in New Mexico my whole life, and we've never had a hurricane hit out
here. So, I think I think that El Nino thing is maybe maybe true. Yeah,
something about the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean region. See, the Pacific touches the US too,
right? I'm bad with geography, but I think the I think one of the oceans the US has is Pacific.
Yeah, right. Yeah. Basically, the Caribbean Sea. Let's put it that way. It's it's crazy, right?
Because you always have the earthquake earthquake around those areas. Yeah,
so I think Kenya would be affected too, and wherever else. So get ready if you haven't checked
your sunk pump in a while. Go do that. Make sure that shit's working before it's too late.
Or or get flood insurance if you don't if you don't already have it. Oh, both. Was that C?
Was that CSBA? Yes, sir. Yes, little. My name is Nick, by the way. Nick, GM, GM.
Do Do you know anything about this El Nino thing? Yes, I do, but it's not hitting in Denmark, well.
Oh. But it's basically it's basically Brazil, USA, and two other lands down there.
Africa also get a little bit. Yeah, I know Kenya gets hit hard by it normally, so.
I can imagine this one's gonna be bad. And the thing here with,
especially in the the metropolis cities, Nairobi specifically, and a couple other,
we have the New York problem. At least in New York, there's rats, so the rats eat the shit
that goes down the sewer. We have this in Minneapolis too, where people would just throw shit
on the street, and it ends up in the sewers and blocks the drain. Blah blah blah. So
when the rains come, it's The problem is multiplied. So, anyways, maybe we should get some rats here
in Kenya. And the same happened when I was in Thailand. That was one day was raining,
and that was the same thing happening. You talk about. So I don't know.
All these mayors that keeps killing the rats in New York, I think they got it wrong.
I think the rats is helping, keeping New York from flooding. So, how are you guys doing?
What else is going on in your corners of the world? Is it me you're talking to, or any of the other?
Everybody, this is open banter, open mic. Hello, I'm from Denmark, and it's pretty sunny, and yeah,
going good. Been at work today, and done stuff at home, and now I prepare for my community to build
next step. Tomorrow I open my clouds again and set everything up, and then everything is running.
So we're going into good months. Nice. What are the Danmarks called? Are they are they the Dens
or the Danicans? They're dames. We are called Dansker. Dansker. Duskas, the
that what do duskas do for pick me up? Is is it a coffee country? Is it a what a vodka country?
Denmark is actually one of the most wealthiest country. If you look on the people that live in
the land, we own part of Greenland and we own we owned Norway and Denmark, Norway
and Sweden before the war with with Germany. You still own part of Greenland with Trump.
We we we still we still have that deal with with Greenland yes and we help Greenland us in Denmark
for 250 years almost longer than yourself been alive so yes and then Trump came Trump came to
to Greenland to make the deal to make that dome the dome to to his atomic missile
but Denmark didn't want it so he made another deal to make base upgrades instead
but we see in one year's time if he's still elected and he want to build something on Greenland
then he don't get accepted to it. Nice, nice, nice, nice. Um, wait, I missed a part.
What do what do the country usually do for caffeine? What's the caffeine drink of choice? Oh,
like that? Uh, coffee, coffee. Most people drink coffee in Denmark. Nice, nicely done. Uh, uh,
who who's the other person here on the mic? Um, how do I say this thing? Binary geek. What is? Oh,
it's missing the it's missing the B. Okay, what happened to the B? The name says binary. Um,
how are you, GM? What? Where are you dialing in from, Mister Geek? I'm dialing in from the UK, man.
Oh, nice, nice, nice, nice. Uh, are you guys safe from the El Nino? I know you guys enjoy
your cloudy, the cloudy days there. Are you gonna get hit, hit with the rains? Well,
let's just say that we get with snow mostly, and then it's just cold temperatures. Already,
it's already start to drop into cold temperatures. Crazy. I know, I know. Yeah,
this is when when um folks in the when I lived in Minnesota, this is when all my friends
would start disappearing. The warmer climates, especially the older ones, uh, to the Floridas,
the Mexicos, yeah, Caribbean. I go Caribbean every year. So far, I've always gone as soon
as it hits. I tell you what I do every time it hits January, because again, it's I save up my money.
What I do is I save up, and then for the half half a winter, you catch me going into spring.
You catch me in Jamaica, yeah, and I'll stay out there for at least two months. Well, sure,
but you gotta enjoy your life on this earth. You never know. My, I have this karaoke app,
and there was a guy. He manages a lot of influencers and stuff, and we were planning parties to get
because a lot of influencers host karaoke nights here in Kenya. We're planning to onboard a few
of them, and the dude was just on a bus going somewhere I don't know where,
and he just he just he just copped over. He just he just and was just gone, just like that.
No illness that I know of. So, anyways, if you don't like the code, you don't have to enjoy it.
If if you get that's that's what I'm saying. But right now, you know what I'm doing?
I'm looking at the positive things in terms of what's happening in crypto. Um, you know, right?
Yeah, like one of the big things that I think is going underrated is that I'm looking.
I'm thinking to myself, is it true that? Marfo, which is one of Big Eth's biggest lending protocol,
is integrating with Midnight. I'm like, I'm trying to look. I'm like, because they, I'm like,
what's going on? Because they've been talking about Midnight, and I'm like, ooh, wow!
We're getting the announcement of the announcements again. The bull market's coming. Actually,
myself, I've not heard anything. Maybe Ipak, where's our midnight people?
It's funny because I'm supposed to be a midnight ambassador, but sometimes people texts can be.
What's up? Oh my god! Thank you, thank you. Ipak has arrived. Have you heard about
this integration thing? Are you following the rumors? Are you are you are you buying the rumors?
What is the saying again? Buy the rumors, buy the news, or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
About that. So about these midnight ambassadors? Are are they in the room with us? Yeah,
I thought they were. Yeah, they used to be. They left. Are you sure, dude? It's so funny.
It's so funny. So I wanted to say this earlier, but I have decorum, so I didn't.
But I also lack decorum, so I'll tell you now. You know how like all the midnight people showed up.
And there's like all these new ambassadors, and you start talking to them, and they're like, "Yeah,
you know, Midnight Night Force, like, take over the world," and like, "I'm so excited and bullish.
" And you're like, "Oh yeah, yeah." How long have you been in crypto? Oh, you know,
like I just got started, like you know, last year. And you're like, "Oh, okay, so, okay, okay.
" And in the back of my mind, I'm just thinking these people are going to get wrecked.
Because they have no idea what to expect from an actual launching crypto project,
but we have all these like bright-eyed, bushy-tailed like ambassadors,
and there's like thousands of them. And I was like, oh, this is not going to end well
because there's no way they can sustain like so many ambassadors.
So like all these super happy people are just going to get fired eventually.
And now they're now they're like. Where are they? They're gone. And that's like we're not
even halfway through the bear market, and like it, it's just like the prophecy coming true.
You know, like they obviously aren't prepared for an actual bear market because they're all
too young and new. Um, but that was like the play, right? Was get all these people
from different backgrounds and like make it really, you know, approachable, and it makes sense,
except that you're not picking people who were hardened by crypto pain for a decade.
So I'm just gonna wait it out, and sure enough, they're all gone. Six months later.
Lido doesn't even know he—he's so far gone. He doesn't even know if he's still an ambassador.
He's like having the identity crisis. Like, was I ever one? Did I? Am I still? Like,
can I call myself that? Okay, we're commenting Lido, but let's let's have Nick. Nick, I think Nick,
you're ambassador too, right? Maybe am I remembering wrong? I'm my own ambassador to say, right?
I haven't signed any contract with anybody but myself. Anyways, the question I actually was having
my hand up was to Epoch, and it is a DREP question. How to make the DREP? What say? How I say it?
You have the DREP number on Cardano on your your web page below the other IDs on you.
How do I make my own DREP ID to Cardano? You have to register as a DREP. So go to Gov Tools.
Say go to Gov Tools. Right, Lido. They have a page for that, and you can.
Follow the instructions to get registered. I think there's a deposit. It's been so long.
I think there's like a deposit of some ADA right to make it happen. Yep. The thing is, fifty ADA.
You can do this in Eterna too on that government tab. They've done that charger for that now.
Or Gov. Tools. Those are the two I know of. Yep. You just register to be a D. There you have
your number. Do you mind send me link in in top or purple pill? Can you just?
Can you just Google Gov Tools? Sign up. I thought this new generation was like advanced
and like have AI in their fingertips, and now we can't Google things. What's going on? Yeah,
the thing with the AI is like you run out of tokens. You only get three prompts for free.
Blah blah blah. But let me let me find that. Epoch epoch epoch. One lesson you have to learn.
One lesson you have to learn. If I begin to talk Danish to you,
or do you understand it? And I lead you to a website, and you can't find it. What do you
do? I speak English for your for your sake. I ask for the link so I can find it.
I'm putting the link in the chat, but it's just Gov. Tools or the Eternal Wallet.
But I've put the link in the chat too. Thank you. So today, Cordano is was it today or yesterday?
Cordano is nine years old now. What do we have to show for this thing?
What are people bragging about? The best community in the internet. We got lots of people.
Have you seen these subreddits? Is is Cordano really the best community? I mean,
I've never been in on Reddit, but I hear Reddit has some pretty crazy communities going on in there.
Yeah, maybe I overstated, but we do have a lot of people. There are a lot of us all over the world,
and we're trying to change the world. So remember, Cardano is for serious business.
So we have this very cool tagline now, and there's nothing stopping us.
We have we have a second version of the constitution. True, true. There's got to be something,
right? So we've got the community, we've got the constitution, Midnight City, Clear Thirty,
Midnight City, the the fourth generation. Was it fourth? I was in fifth generation.
I didn't pitch that thing. I don't. I think. Oh, I don't even remember anymore. Fourth or fifth?
You're right. Well, we still have that liquid staking, bro. Real liquid staking, you know,
not like the fake staking. Wow. And we still, we still. I think this is the year the Bitcoin,
the billions of Bitcoin comes to Godano, right?
I think that's something I've been seeing too on the timelines. Any minute now.
Yeah, I've not seen our friend that used to be at Intersect that does. The Bitcoin thing.
What's his name? It's not Jack. It's the one before Jack. The guy before Jack.
They're still doing that Bitcoin thing. Our friend from CS Swap says they have a Bitcoin product.
I'm not sure. Maybe just need some marketing. And then the guy, the other cool guy that has
the platform that does nested transaction. What's his name? He has a Spanish name.
They have a Bitcoin product too. So is it just Ralito, El Ralito? Ralito, yes, yes.
He's always doing cool stuff with Bitcoin. Um, is that mean that, or is that it's the product out?
Have you tried it? I thought it was. I thought it was out. You're talking fluid tokens,
right? Yes, yes, those guys. Yeah, they. I thought they did release. I can check.
Well, Bitcoin is coming. Come share your Godano stories. Godano is nine years old.
So I think this is, or maybe we get to ten years before we we catch up with Ethereum.
I think that was also a good time to remind people that the midnight thaw is over. So
if you were eligible, go claim your midnight now, before they shut that website down or whatever.
It's been a year. Don't miss out on your free crypto. It's been a year.
I think that because on mine's it still said I got a few more days left in order to be
able to claim. So I think it's different and claim period. Chad, Chad flexing his start date
a little earlier. I got all mine out. That's what she said. Well, I hope everyone claims
your delicious midnight. I have not claimed a single token yet, but I will once it's all over.
What I find interesting
about is the fact that it's now a loves cross-chain bridging. Cross-chain bridging.
I love bridges. Why didn't anyone think about this? Let me see that thought. That thought.
That thought. That thought. Baby, let me see that. I like to love, oh baby, that thaw, thaw, thaw,
thaw. That's that's quite the reference, sir. Yeah, because like you want the thaw, right?
So it's like, yeah. Baby, make your booty go. Baby, make your booty go.
I didn't know Usher was here. I don't even know who made that song. That was Usher. No, it was not.
It was. No, it was Usher. It was Usher, wasn't it? It was not Usher. Okay,
he's just one of those like one-hit. Who sang Thong Song? Cisco, thank you from Drew Hill. Damn,
I have no idea who that. Damn, what happened to Cisco? We need Cisco in Midnight City.
That's what we need. Yeah, we got to bring Cisco to Midnight City. 100. Whatever happened to Cisco?
Google that. Tokenize thong. We're gonna tokenize thongs. Tokenize thong. Oh my god. Yeah,
I just I've been seeing that time though. You know the good the markets are coming up. Anything,
anything is possible. When the bullishness is coming back, you can tokenize whatever the fuck
you want to tokenize. I've been trying to get in Midnight City for the last, from
when it first came out. Imagine that, and I'm still in the queue. Really? I mean,
they're opening it up really fast. It's almost at 900 active, but I know a little.
I know a little secret. If if you want to speed up the queue, but yes, go on. Well,
it's not really secret, but if you give like a friendly nudge to to Jem,
basically like one of the masterminds behind it. Yeah, maybe he can prioritize you faster.
Is are you like really far out in the queue?
I think you can see it when you sign in. It'll say like if you're like 200th or 500th or something.
Well, there you go. If you're really eager, or if you're in the midnight like Discord,
or if you're part of the Nightforce community or something, then just send a message to.
One of the team members, and maybe they can expedite it. Ah, the old personal touch, nice. Yeah,
yeah. I said like a friendly nudge, you know. Don't like a please, monsieur. Like,
qu'est-ce que c'est? You know, like. Qu'est-ce que c'est? Je m'appelle Angry Crypto,
et je mange le café. Is it blue or light? Is it blue coffee or light coffee? Je, je mange. I eat.
I eat. I eat. Yeah, I know. I can't. I don't know the drink. So. Nice, nice. Some people eat.
I didn't. I didn't get past. I didn't get past the weather class. So all I got is il pleut. Bro,
I think I spent twelve years learning French elementary. Like not much sticked. Not much is,
you know, a little. Yeah, ten years later, I got my name is and it's raining. That's the.
That's as far as I got. My name is what? My name is. Yeah, bonjour le français, Époc.
My name is Nick. Squarely. I speak four languages. J'habite j'habite dans le Cardano écosystème.
Je mange decentralized jus d'orange avec le baguette. De l'eau le baguette. Et j'suis angry.
J'suis angry. That's that's camping. All right. I heard that baguette. Man, I didn't even.
Le dove cabisa, le dove cabisa. That's what I know. Wait, so angry are you in Midnight?
Did you did you make it into Midnight City? Angry? Do you have a bot or AI
or something running in there or what? Yeah, just recently, finally got in. Um, I think it's like.
Okay, I think he's actually in the city. I'm looking at it right now. Nice. So yeah, I finally,
I finally got in. Allowed to a bit a to manage decentralized orange Midnight City. Jama orange,
decentralized. Did you say decentralized orange juice? Eating decentralized orange juice in
Midnight City. Pretty good. Yeah. Got to have a Cardona over copy where like we all speak French
like forcefully. Pretty good. I guess I. Forcefully. Yeah. Centralized. Let me get centralized.
Fromage. Fromage. Yeah, yeah. Do fromage. Do fromage. Of course. Did y'all talk?
Did you talk about the news of our new? Elected people, Adam and Cavinda.
Did we already cover the congratulations? That that was yesterday. Oh no! Establishment continuing.
Nice. You know these things just go over my head. Like I see the posts,
but I don't really have much. I don't know if anybody else can speak for this,
but I just don't have the bandwidth to really be so involved in the intersect committee stuff
and like raising awareness to them and like. But hey, I mean, if people want to do a good job at it
and get reelected, then so be it. You know, some people are really made for that, so.
I can tell you that my experience with Adam's always been very positive and very good, and yeah.
But I know. I mean, one of the nicest rug I've had was when when when Summit Token platform shut
down. Adam was very diplomatic and nice about it. What platform? Summit. Summit. Summit Token.
They were going to revolutionize. Summit. Down. Down. Bro, all my money is gone. Yeah,
we've had a pretty rough year. Cardano, we've had a pretty rough year. Like.
When you add all the hacks and the quote-unquote sunsets, hopefully we can we can bounce back in
the weeks and months ahead. Let's say hi to the room, please do coming up
and tell us what you're working on. Say hi, tell us, say something in French or Spanish.
GM Daniel Daniel Daniel Clinton, real estate consultant. Ooh, nice. So you're going to tokenize
that shit, right? I'm assuming that's why in crypto, maybe. Oh, playing is back. GM, GM,
good to have you again. Hopefully, the you and your clankers are still cranking out that thing. Um,
we have cosm cosmological. I, I know. I don't have the Lord testing testing voice,
so you just have to bear with me. Uh, cryptocurrency and art enthusiast photographer, noob trader.
Oh, getting into coffee. Well, you're definitely in the right place, because I don't know coffee.
Uh, GM, GM, come say hi. Uh, GM Jack. There is a midnight ambassador, Epi.
You are looking for them now. You have Lidl and you have Jack. I think he's an ambassador.
When was the last time either of you were at a team meeting of some kind?
I get the Discord thing with chat with trials. We have been about doesn't count another thing.
What's the team meeting? I mean, what's the team meeting? Exactly, it's
too many decentralized meetings. Yeah, yeah, we gotta have some real talk. It's too many meetings.
Oh, real talk. There needs to be more work and less meetings because meetings are just.
I second that. A lot. Everybody knows. Yes, anybody who's working a startup, we're like, oh my gosh,
why are we having this meeting? Every meeting has to be deliberate and intentional.
And I'm in there. I'm in the midnight Discord, but like the meetings that I attend are the ones for.
Like the ambassadors, or with you know Ava and doing the different meetings,
but sometimes it just is just too much. It is a lot, and Ava and I. Some people did quit
or were let go. I don't know. Eupac, maybe the cleaning starting already,
and Ava inherited a lot of that work. So now she's back up like crazy. This is true. Yeah, yeah.
With the with the adjustments they've been making, I'm sure there's many members
or there's more on their plate. So I think it would probably benefit them too to be more methodical
about the way they approach the meetings because they don't want to be burnt out. Like especially
if you're doing cross continental, you got to do like a Europe one and then do a North American one.
I think the CF does it pretty smart. They do like a monthly meeting with the ambassadors. Yep. Um,
because I know once upon a time they used to do monthly check-ins with every single ambassador
one-on-one at midnight, and then they went to combining them. And then I've never been to
those monthly check-in since people left recently. So I don't know. Oh, you mean like midnight?
Yeah, like midnight. Midnight. No, the ambassador. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The ambassador.
Someone will only reach out to you if you're not doing your shit. Otherwise,
those monthly calls is it. Yeah, yeah. No, I think I think that you know midnight
's still pretty fresh with his ambassador program, but I think that Cardano ambassadorship has a lot
of improvements that midnight could definitely. See what they could emulate from that, you know,
what the good that they do. So, I think like Cardano, they do it like monthly
into two different time zones, which is great because nobody in North America
wants to wake up at like six a.m., five a.m., right, wherever you are. So,
I think the way they chunk it out is good. Yeah, what can I say? And regarding midnight, you know,
they they make changes. Every company makes changes. I'm not too concerned with like adjusting.
Yeah, Epoch. Every company makes changes. Tell us about Epoch stake pool and the recent changes.
Well, I'm glad you asked. Epoch Pool is doing quite quite well. We have some clients now.
Long time no see. Doing some security and deployment work and some AWS hardening.
So we are definitely seeing some life on the Epoch side, and very excited to be picking up
a new project. I can't speak yet until contracts are signed, but we'll have something soon
to report. And other than that, doing some other audits for another Cardano company.
We're in the final few weeks of that. So things are moving along, my friend. I can't complain.
But I see Jenny has the hand up, so we should give her some love. GMJ, Jenny. Ambassador Jenny.
Hello. Good to hear that. We blog that the pool is thriving. Good morning, guys. Hello, Alito. Yeah,
you guys were talking about this ambassador thing, and I was like, oh,
I don't get to talk about this ever with anybody. But I'm in those meetings every week, and yeah.
So I was like, okay, you got my attention. Hear like your your perspective on that
because yeah look I don't feel like we don't go much with anywhere with those calls
and I really feel like I've told Jack about it. Don't tell me they're like three hours long
and shit. And I'm like, damn, you know, damn. Calls have to be involving.
Calls have to involve people. It can't be a monologue. Otherwise, just send me like the memo.
Just send me like a one minute bullet point. Hold on, dude. It has to be like involving.
It has to be very deliberate. It has to be very intentional. So I think they're gonna. Refine it,
if you will. Three, but three hours? Three hours? That's, bro, I don't know. That's astronomical.
That's three hours. That's crazy. I don't know about no three hour meeting. Well, yeah, I'd be like,
so the Charles can be three hours. It could be like a two hour. Yeah. Him talking
and then another hour and so of people asking questions, you know. It's every now and then.
But yeah, I agree. You know what happens when we invite Charles to talk? He never ends. Yeah,
Charles definitely does pack a lot of words. Like his his his vocabulary is quite incredible.
I gotta say, I've learned a lot of new words because of him. Are you a are you
a midnight night force Jenny? You're a night force whatever whatever. Jenny's both, I think. Jenny,
you're both right. Midnight. Aren't you like a alpha or a what's the other one? Um. Yeah,
the other one. The the Charlie no no the not the Charlie the other one the the one before. Uh,
the Jenny. Night force Jenny. Alpha and then the other one. I don't even know, guys.
I forget the names. Aren't you Cardano as well, Cardano ambassador? I am a Cardano ambassador. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, nice. Yeah, that that yeah. The Cardano meetings are pretty like.
You you just joined ambassadors for Cardano, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, in July. Yeah. Like mid July,
but it's it's nice to contrast and and see areas where both can also improve. Yeah, yeah,
definitely, they're very different. And we have the black, which is cool. We have the black,
you know. We don't have that in Discord. I don't like spending time in Discord just chatting.
Like it was, I feel like like the NFT days. It's like I don't. What are we doing here? I don't know.
I I can't. Yeah, yeah. This the Slack kind of compartmentalizes it into a dedicated channel
that almost removes the noise. Um, I think Discord can definitely work.
I think that um maybe I'll have to give some feedback to the team of like there's
just way too many channels, and I think I told someone that. But they maybe misunderstood what
I was meaning, and I was like, "Look, like there's just too much like featureitis." But um,
I'm not even a Slack user, and and I agree. I I think using Slack is is nice
because you kind of filter out the noise, make it a little bit more easier to digest,
and not get like messages lost. So I don't know. Discord could be tricky. I think if you do
good organization, and I guess with like oh, I see your hand up. Uh, I'm sorry.
Let let me just finish yours real quick. Um, the I mean, I guess now with the ambassadorship,
we used to, and in Cardano, we used to have the different roles that we play, right?
We had like content creators, we had meetup organizers, and they got they got rid of that,
put everybody in the same category, and what they have now is like this, imp, impact pot, right?
It's kind of like a little mini catalyst that happens like every. I don't remember three months
or something like that, which kind of kind of gives ambassadors like the ability
to like collaborate together, work together, and do little projects and work on projects,
and that's kind of cool. I think I I think I I dig that change. Some people were some people were
upset about change. Yeah, and it gives the opportunity to like kind of show something, right?
But I like I like that you have to show. I like that they do like proof of impact because then it's
like there is a level of meritocracy, which doesn't exist in in other ecosystems. And then also
that I don't know what it was like before, joining just in July. Like I see that impact pot,
but I think it's cool because then you can be like, hey, I'm Jenny. I want to do this,
and like I have a unique idea that doesn't fit the rails of what normally would have been done.
Here's my idea, impact pot, boom. And I think that gives you creative freedom to like do what
you think could benefit the chain. And like, yeah, I like it a lot. I can tell you guys, to yourself
and others, that the Cardano Ambassador program is pretty pretty cool.
I think it's very highly organized. I think Sebastian, who's like leading a lot of that,
is doing a fantastic job. And yeah, my goal ultimately is never to create enemies in this space.
I just want to keep being the glue between all these guys, CF, Midnight, IOG, and all them,
and just see areas where we can learn to improve. So yeah, I like that impact pot.
I haven't used it, I haven't leveraged it, but definitely I think it's a cool idea. Sorry,
binary for yapping. Please go ahead. You recognize binary? Hey Jennifer, Jenny, Jenny,
I got a question for you. Jennifer. Um, this is sorry. Yeah, I mean, only my family
and close friends call me Jennifer, so that sounded very like. Yeah, go ahead. Fine.
So with the mid with the midnight. So what's the news? Have you got any inside news to say
we're working with Ethereum in terms of the Morpho Finance, which has become
the biggest lending platform on Ethereum. Is it me? I can barely hear you. Maybe it's my.
I'm like in my room. I have this big thing blowing on. Yeah, I'm right by the phone.
Did you say like what's the inside news? But I'm really like, if it's inside news,
we really are not even allowed to talk about it. But I don't really have any. So oh,
I'm just because I see in Marvel um announced about midnight. I'm about midnight,
and then you um landing products. So that's why I was wondering and saying to myself,
is there something going on um where. They're now working with Cardano,
so that's what I was thinking, because they were mentioning about their new Midnight product.
So that's the only blockchain that I know about that's basically new is Midnight. Interesting.
I gotta look into this. Yeah, I was gonna ask if you guys like know anything that then we can.
I mean, we have Lido. Is there a naming like coincidence? I see this Morpho Midnight. What is?
Why is it called Morpho Midnight? Yeah, that's why I'm confused. Yeah, I'm.
I think it might be a coincidence, but I see what you're saying. I gotta look into this. I mean,
hey, I would love to see. You know, I'm. I've been calling out the people. Will know.
I've been talking about Cardano making its way to Solana for now eleven months, twelve months,
and it happened just yesterday. So I always want to see cross chain collaboration.
I'd love to see some stuff like Midnight Morpho get some Ethereum blending action. Wait,
Solana is the Cardano partner chain now. What are we doing? Coinbase wrapped ADA.
Which is ADA one-to-one backed on Base Network, which is powered by Chainlink CCIP. Yesterday,
made its way to Solana. So now ADA is tradable on Pump Fund. You can pair tokens on Pump Fund.
You can reward holders in CB ADA and Pump Fund. You can trade on Radium. You can trade on Sunrise.
We're going to see tons. There's already 2,400 holders. For Coinbase Wrapped ADA on Solana
in less than 24 hours, there's already 9.7 million dollars in 24-hour Dex volume. So essentially,
Coinbase Wrapped Data is now officially on Solana, and now people Solana holders can get exposure
to ADA one-to-one backed, and not be worried about some weird bridge or some you know,
chain you know going down or something. They can trust they okay Chainlink CCIP. One to one back,
so I'm excited for the weeks ahead because I think we're going to see a lot of new dexes,
platforms start talking about Coinbase Wrapped Data on Solana. So I think that even
though the communities have been bantering with each other, Anatoly and Charles have
a really good relationship. If you've been paying attention, every single time
Charles has been talking about Solana in the past 24 months, or or Anatoly,
it's always been very civil and respectful both ways. So yeah. TLDR: Coinbase Wrapped ADA
on Solana is live officially, and it's already on Pump.fun, Radium, Sunrise,
and a lot more to come as well. So pretty big. Wow. So this has all been brought together,
integrating using Chainlink. I do a lot of people's been saying once if Chainlink managed to team up
with Cardano, and we bring some Chainlink products with Cardano, you know,
because look at this now we've got the integration. What's the the newest integration where um
these guys have now been been saying about the new integration that was what we needed in terms of
to bring I don't know tokens to other block. Is it fire blocks? That's correct. Yeah, fire blocks.
Yeah, combination. Yeah, fire blocks like layer zero for some of the atomic swaps. But yeah,
chainlink also can play a big role too. I didn't have to the the the these guys. I said it.
I've been looking the other days, and I've been trying to do a little bit of research.
And I thought, real well. I said, nobody's gonna really care about what chain they're on,
as long as they can. The product works, you know. And you have a, for example, you have a stock.
If it's on Ethereum, if it's on Cardano, you know, if the if the platform's on Cardano, brilliant.
It's it's it's cross-chain.
We can just store it in our wallet, and bang, that's the uncle. That's how I see it, man.
Let double, well, that's exciting. That's exciting. We're getting the volume.
Like maybe I'm gonna I'm gonna do a test right now. I'm gonna turn on my solana phones.
The thing with the the the coinbase wrapped era though, that doesn't create volume of demand, right?
That's just on base and whatever they have there and they've issued. Correct, but it will create
indirect demand because. As people are buying spot trading, they need to move over Cardano
from the Cardano network. It needs to be one-to-one backed. So, for example,
if you look at CBETA on Base, they show their reserve. You can go to Coinbase's website
and see how much they actually, like I'll tell you right now, CBETA on BaseScan shows. So,
like they have 57.3 million ADA that they had to buy from the Cardano network. So, one way
or another, people will flow in and out. It's going to be so good for the metrics for our marketing.
Can you imagine? You wake up and you see like ten Solana dexes talking about ADA,
and then people are buying it. So yeah, it doesn't create to answer your question, it doesn't create
direct Cardano network activity, but it definitely does cascade into other ways that it does with
purchases and flow of users and whatnot. And then then imagine if we see like cross
chain atomic swaps, bro. Then it's like then that's what we're talking about. If we can get that,
that's gonna take it to the next level. We can get we can get that actually next month if you want.
I can integrate all the other networks tokens to my dex or my swap. Yeah, I mean that'd be epic.
Yeah. Huh. That's neat. Well, we're doing the thing. Oh, Pyro is back. Wow.
What are you doing in blockchain these days, Pyro? What's the What's the word on the street? Also,
I see Rod in the chat. Do we is Godano? What is it called? Is it Godano? Godano Church?
What is the thing? Are we still going to church on Sunday in Ada? That's the ministry. Oh, ministry!
Thank you. And he changed that to something else. Don't tell me it's AI ministry now.
That would be funny. If if if it's AI ministry, I know. No, no. I mean, he's doing still latest,
you know, different stuff. But yeah, he's definitely doing a lot of AI. It should come up here.
Tell us about it. Yeah, I haven't. I never get to. I haven't been able to.
He's been doing it on Sundays, but I just haven't. I've been so busy. I haven't been
able to make it. Do you guys take collections? Is the collections in Ada? Is there offering, or is,
or is it just chanting and stuff? Without the offer, you gotta have the offering.
The offering never worked for for for dollar sign over coffee. I don't even think
we we ever got enough to buy Janie a slipper. Like we were planning to, but I know,
and I went to the Cardinal Stoners Club once. What's up, Rod? Gf, Gf.
Rod, you with us? You're recognized. Roddy.
Or do we have to say a prayer before? I don't know how this works. No,
he's just in a meeting right now. Oh, okay. Yeah, he'll be back. Cardinal,
cardinal. Hey, Johnny used to do it very well. He did. He was the best. Uh,
brother's reconnecting. Maybe, or maybe he's still in the meeting. Yo, is that can I? Am I on now?
That was weird. I was like in this weird like connecting space that was just like ongoing
and ongoing and ongoing. Any anyway, yo, yeah, we're still doing the Sunday show,
but we we changed the title to Web Three Sundays to make it more open to other chains
because we were getting a lot of friends in XRP and friends in Solana and friends
and obviously Midnight is something that I'm involved with as well. So yeah, dude,
it's it's cool to hear you guys reflecting on the Cardano ambassadorship.
And then the midnight ambassadorship and some of the differences, but but we're still kicking,
you know. We're still posting up every Sunday. I changed the time a few times just based on
you know dynamics. You know how it is here scheduling shows and stuff. So Chile,
who is is also my my business partner, like boots on the ground with DRMZ, he just had a baby,
so we were doing the show at six thirty and then at eight, and and now we were like, you know what,
let's just keep it at eight because the original ministry was at eight.
But then we would go until like one a.m. Or like two a.m. They were like very long shows,
so we're not doing that anymore. We're just doing like an hour talking Cardano, Midnight AI,
and like Jenny was saying, you know, we do a lot of building now. I never considered myself a dev
before, but I made an app that runs on Midnight and and another part of it that uses
Cardano's layer. So there's like, oh, cool! I can make tools now. Interesting,
a whole new world of possibilities opens up. So yeah, that's just kind of
you know we're still around. Show up on Sundays, just drop in. I know it's kind of a late hour,
it's kind of a weird hour for many people. So I appreciate when you guys can make it.
But we'll be there, man. We're gonna keep growing the IRL scene. We'll keep showing up here in the
in the virtual spaces. And yeah, man, let's go. I love the CB the CB ADA news.
And we have a more overlap, you know, with Solana. That's great because we have we make a lot
of friends on different chains doing the IRL stuff, and they don't always have ADA.
But they have you know other other tokens, so they might easily swap now some Solana for some ADA,
and I wonder if there are staking solutions or ways to support our stake pools on their network.
I don't know exactly how that would work, but some form of hey, you know what?
If you're already to be on Solana, why don't you support these stake pools on Cardano?
Type of thing. Nice. So, do you call yourself a dev now, or do you call yourself a builder?
What's what? What are you putting on your resume? You know, I still say English teacher, vibe coder.
All right, like me, you just need the D rep, the D rep number, like me. Nice.
Does the ministry collect offering? No, no, no tithings, no offerings, no. No tithings. We did,
we did, we did think early on about doing. What were they called? It was, it was like absolutions,
basically, so you could buy them. What were they called? I don't. I forget the official name.
I was trying to remember the name. That's why I didn't say anything. I couldn't come up with a name.
I was like, "Well, what was it?" Yeah, you used to be able to buy these from the church. Yes. Yeah,
you give people money and like they would absolve your sins. I was like, that'd be a great NFT.
You had sim eaters. Wow, that's amazing. Okay. My wife said penance. I think
they were called penances. You just buy them. Yeah, I like sim eater. I like sim eater a lot. Um.
Oh, we got some catalyst news yesterday. Danny reminded me, but let's say hi. Let's say hi to index.
Oh, before we say hi to index, is the space pre-scheduled? You want to put it in the chat,
or is it not scheduled yet? The next, the next. Oh, the Sunday. It's it's you know what it's not,
but I'm gonna start doing that and sharing it around more, so we can start building some cohesion
and stuff, and and maybe more folks can see it, and yeah, grow it back out, man,
because we used to get a lot of people there, and then I had to stop for a little bit,
and and you know some of my my co-hosts have have gone away, so I found new people to co-host with,
um, and we keep it going, you know, but. I I think we just need more spaces.
So I love that you guys have maintained Cardano over coffee, and that that you know even
though the hosts will rotate and stuff, that that the show continues, and I love that.
And we just need more spaces, right? Like Esco is not around right now, so his spaces are are gone.
That was kind of like the Cardano linchpin for a little bit. I don't see a lot, right?
Like wildcards. I don't see like Cardano Cardano over mid or was Cardano at night and midnight,
right? They're gone. Like all these shows that were that were part of the just ongoing, like hey,
I got to drop in here and listen in and maybe chit chat, maybe learn a little bit. They're gone,
so I was like, shit, you know. And and I thought, man, you know what? Maybe the ministry
is done too. Like we're just gonna, I'll just stop. I'm gonna come back.
Just like spending time with family, but I'll be back. I'll be back. But but but you know
what it is. Like if if I had if I do stop, then it really is dead. And then I did one show,
and I had like like one person in there, and it was cool. We were having a great conversation,
and then little by little they trickle in, and like then it's an audience, and you're like, well,
shit, maybe maybe I should continue this, and. Anyway, I I'm happy to
because I I love talking Cardano and I love talking AI and I love talking technology
and and and new things that are emerging that we could put in front of people's faces like students
and like new learners. So, for example, like Cardano Academy apparently just did a partnership
with UCLA. I was like, excuse me, what? Like Cardano Academy is coming to UCLA.
And that's just an hour up up the road for me. I'm from LA. Like, actually,
I've got maybe I'll move back up to participate in some capacity through the university.
But I would love to then go and talk to whoever's leading that and bring that down here to San Diego
because that would be amazing. I've been trying to do that forever. How can we get
academia really plugged in to Cardano? So I made an app where like it's basically
like an onboarding app, but I'm using it for my classes. Or I'm going to use it for my classes
once I refine it, but most of it is done. I say like I'm I'm 85% of the way there,
and it's like an onboarding app for students that really doesn't onboard them.
It just gives them an ecosystem to learn. Like it replaces Canvas or replaces Blackboard
or whatever LMS you want, and it just gives you a mobile phone thing that does have a web version
too. But like it's really meant to be for mobile for accessing things. And yeah, you know,
QRs QRs will be used a lot for scanning. So I'll do attendance through the app,
and and and then in the background, if I want to, I can like do Cardano attestations on chain,
right? Or put like hashes on chain about certain things, certain milestones,
and sort of gamify the whole thing if I wanted to. And and and then there's a voting aspect for like
the voting tool that I had to build from my Senate because I'm a Senate president as well.
So I was like, you know what? Like these need to be highly public votes, right?
It kind of goes contrary to the nature of voting, where like you want privacy as a voter
and you don't want people to know how you voted. Well, in this case, these are very public votes,
and you actually do want to know how your senator voted. So I designed a voting app for senators
that are very technology averse. As in, they would never have touched the technology ever.
Like any sort of progress is like no. So I made something that they couldn't refuse,
and and I tried it out in like a mock scenario, right? Where I was like, oh, this is for nothing.
This is not a big. Don't even worry about this. This isn't a real vote. And and they did it.
And by the end of it, I was like, okay. So how was that? Like, would you think?
Would you use this again? They were like. Yeah, you know that was pretty easy. I was like, great,
because I'm, you know, we're going to develop this to actually have a Senate voting tool that is
super simple for senators to just click yes, no on a measure that pops up on their phone,
and then we do some blockchain stuff at the end of that. But the point was, like,
there's a whole new audience that's coming to Web three, and people just have no idea
because these people will be using wallets or they'll have wallets, but they they
either will then be encouraged to self custody, of course, or or those are like burners
that that you know can be tossed away, but they'll be they'll be funded in some capacity.
And they'll be taught about a lot of that stuff. So the rest of the app kind
of token gates knowledge for you. So like the part one is is an AI little mini course because that's
what I really needed students to know, right? AI literacy, like super basic stuff.
But but getting towards the agentic stuff too. And then once you finish that mini course,
it unlocks two more paths: a Cardano path and then a Midnight path. And so the Cardano path
gives you like eight more little mini lessons on like what is Cardano, but then when you complete
that, it points you to the Cardano Academy for more, right? Like here you go, like go go learn more.
I gave you the basics. Now you you have enough to like survive. Now here's more if you want,
but like I think you're good to go. And same same for Midnight, right?
So there's these little mini onboarding pockets that are super fun and gamified,
and I'm I'm so close to finishing it, and and I want to put in like minting
and and you know badges as actual NFTs that are connected to open badges. And just there's so much.
It's it's a crazy new world with AI capacities being what they are, and I'm here for it.
The dope can be so for those for those ballots. I think there's a what's the name?
There's a there's a new SIP the CF is pushing for surveys and polling on chain. But then of course
that that comes with transaction fees. So I don't know. It uses metadata standard. Ooh,
point point me towards it for sure. Because I definitely would love to integrate stuff like that.
Cause then those ballots go on chain too, the votes, and then any apps can read them. What's up,
Nick? To reply on Rot, it's pretty impressive what you're building. I think one thing to make very,
very special is not combined gamifying and education in one application.
Maybe make it taskifying for educational purpose. In in that instead of gamifying,
it's two two ways, and you you don't combine those two ways. So, what was the the different thing
to gamify? Like knowledge bank. Like if you ask after they have written
and done what you ask in the app, then they have to fulfill like a formula with their knowledge
from the app they have learned down instead like that. Oh yeah, yeah. So so definitely,
there's there's like checks for assessment, and and there's uh. So for example, the first thing that
that the student would do is is go into the the platform and and it sort of has
the the gamified side is mainly a visual thing. It's just it looks like you're playing through
a sort of RPG, choose your character, avatar thing. Like it's it's very visually. In my opinion,
like a pleasing, like a game would be to a gamer, so that that was my primary audience was like
people who might want to treat this as a game. But the game itself is learning blockchain.
Like there is no other games in there. It's like that's what you do in there.
You you first you actually have to go and you have to collect these three artifacts.
I have a link so we can see it while you talk about it. Ah, yeah, actually,
if you go to so you're you're going to see probably a slightly older version of of it right now.
But if you just go to drmz.tech, drmz. Period T E C H dot tech. Then you'll you'll see at
the very top there's there's a button for learn, and so if you click that button,
it'll take you through the whole like onboarding setup. But you know you collect these satchel
a a satchel or a wallet, a map and a dream catcher, and these artifacts have have a purpose, right?
So like the the D D M R C what D R M Z dot technology just dot dot tech. So D R M Z dot tech.
And and if you want the direct link, it's it's forward slash learn so drmz.tech forward slash learn
and you'll you'll see it. You can kind of go through the first parts of it.
You probably get through a lot of a lot of the content. But let's say once you finish the AI course,
like the the AI little mini course, then when you want to go and claim your AI literacy badge
or your AI competency badge or your AI fluency badge, then you have to pass a quiz.
There's a an embedded quiz, six I think it's eight questions. So you have to get six out
of eight right for it to unlock the reward. So so there is assessment checks absolutely.
And then that was what I asked for. Nice. Yeah, and then the relics are are really just
about the actual literacy that you need in the space, right? So you get a digital wallet
when you learn all about wallets and wallet safety. You unlock the the map when you learn about
Bitcoin, Ethereum, Cardano, and Midnight. And then you unlock the dreamcatcher when you learn about
staking, and you and you learn about like stake pools and d reps and some of that information
on the Cardano side. That gives you the final artifact. So you're you're kind of gamifying
the the the experience, but the lessons themselves, I mean, borrow from academy documents
and Cardano documentation and and public resources and things that
I have sort of just developed myself. And and you know anyway, so that's kind of the the gist of
of that app. The Dope Kabisa also pinned to the top. It's CIP zero seven nine. Um,
that's the unching survey and poll thing. I'm. Ooh, thank you. I'm definitely going to use that.
Thank you. For your show, I'm building a couple of things around it too.
This is your announcement of the announcement coming out soon. I did a Cali's proposal a while ago
on uh uh go ask Ada. I didn't really market that thing, but I want to redo it again with the CIP
in mind, because I think it could be a really cool marketing tool. So, coming soon, coming soon.
Speaking of catalysts, I think the announcement came out yesterday. Jenny
and a lot of people who are following this, this new not catalyst, but will become catalyst maybe in
once we put the learnings from this one. Thirty-one, thirty-one, thirty-plus projects made it
through the little. Rules checking and fit and all that stuff, and then twelve,
twelve was selected just under two million ADA. Um, me and my clankers, Ben. I love this.
This the thing I've been doing with AI mostly, as someone who was writing code before AI is
the UI piece. Is I can create such better UI now with the thing than what I was able to do before.
Nice, nice. Um, yeah. Let me, let me, let me see if I can grab a screenshot of the new
Catalyst Explorer. But I'm gonna be integrating this this pilot fund, and the other thing
I used to do by hand too before the AI was trying to find all the companies behind these proposals,
reading the text and cross-linking them. Now it's so much easier, you know.
The the clinker will even build a whole HTML page with the yes or no of the different links
that is found, and then I can go through using my my ecosystem knowledge to say yes,
this actually belongs to that company, this belongs to that company, so that data sets
get updated too. Yeah, AI. What's up, Nick? Yeah, your hand up. Oh, yeah. So go the.
Let me see if I can find the link for the Catalyst stuff. If you're if you're following Catalyst, is
if a project in there is building something you're you are hoping to use. Yo,
just as a quick side note, I uh I turned on my Solana phone, secret phone,
and I bought Coinbase wrapped ADA on Solana in like two seconds. So just as an anecdote,
like if if you know Solana user, they can just turn on their phone in seconds,
get exposure to Cardano. So it works. It's it's it's awesome. I think the fee was like fractional.
Oh, I forgot Solana had a phone, right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's them directly,
but yeah, the secret phone is like a popular Solana phone. Charles was building the phone, um,
back in the day. Well, he was building not necessarily like a a phone specifically for for Ada,
but he was building the thing with his guy, uh, his Ethiopian guy was his name. Is it Josh? No,
I don't know. Whatever. Um. Anyways, it was to give us Ada cash, like actual crypto cash,
like the way you can have cash change hands and having that privacy. Um. Something. Something.
Self deleting and creating cryptographic chains that are trusted. Blah blah blah.
You can imagine you take five thousand Ada from your wallet and it's on your phone. Works offline.
You can spend that five thousand Ada. I can. Go around, go locked, locked on the chain. Go around,
go around, go around. Have that privacy. You don't have that tracking of it changing hands
because it's off chain and all managed by the device. And then anybody who has ADA on their phone
that's not on chain wants to put it on chain to spend it on chain can can put it on chain later
and then it gets locked. Suck it to the man! But I hope they got killed.
That's such a good technology. That would have made crypto actually one on one, fully on par with.
With fiat, but I don't know. I guess maybe the governments won't allow that stuff. What's up, Index?
We've not said hi to you yet. Yeah, TMTM. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Yeah,
my question was going to be related to midnight, but now you brought the cash up.
This is kind of interesting because here's my stupid take on midnight.
You basically take your existing crypto, you put it into midnight, and it becomes private.
Isn't that the same as cash? Because when you have your blockchain transactions right now,
everyone knows what you're doing if you know the wallet address. From the beginning of time,
and the blockchain's been being written from the beginning of its existence.
So this is just everyone being completely transparent. Everything, and if you know an address,
you can find a wallet. You can find all your private history transactions.
So is midnight solving that problem? Because obviously it's a major problem,
and therefore is it exactly like cash, as in banknotes? Because you don't know
where banknotes have been spent before, do you? Right, right. I mean, someone has to build it.
I mean, midnight is sort of the low-level thing, and I don't know exactly like what kind
of challenges. That you have to solve to sort of do it on the midnight,
and then have it be spendable and changing hands on midnight, with you know the selective disclosure
and people being able to turn that on and off. But that feels like a like an application,
like a product, right? Well, it's a good question, like because. I guess it was index speaking.
Like cash, we see in countries where there's been like crazy restrictions,
where cash has been a way where people were able to have dissent or not be under
the surveillance state, so to speak, because there wasn't wasn't a digital footprint. So yeah,
cash does have elements of that. I would say it's more nuanced because how do you solve for places
where you can't pay with cash, where maybe you need to do, let's say you want to rent a car.
How many times you've taken a photo of your license? You have to share it with that platform.
Where did they custody it? Did the host take a picture of your license? Now you have that. Even
if he didn't take a picture of your license, you're thinking, did he take a picture of your license?
And then so there's a lot of like concerns there. Where like imagine
if just like Midnight worked with an app like Turo and integrated ZK into this KYC method to protect
the driver and to protect the host. Host doesn't have liability of data.
Turbo doesn't get sued by data leaks and privacy leaks, so there's a lot of I think I yearn for
those simple utility. Like I would love to see Midnight integrated as like a privacy shield for like
chat LLM AI, you know AI inference. We already see the demand for it with Grok.
Grok has a private mode if you've seen that, but Midnight can either abstract it or not, and we see
that with the tokenized deposits. That's what Monument Bank wants to do.
The UK has been kind of like encouraging tokenization and whatnot, and so they want to tokenize.
With some privacy and just abstract it, so people don't even see midnight in their banking app,
and they can get a little extra yield. But yeah, back to what you said about cash.
Cash has that element of privacy, but you could also argue that cash could be traced
either through serial number triangulation, buying habits, purchasing geolocation.
There's a lot of ways we can narrow down where you came from, what you're doing,
and kind of build the heuristics. This isn't something new. Like this, you know, even
if you paid for cash, where did that cash come from? And that dollar amount that you spent,
in a way, almost doxxed you. Right, so midnight is going about it, I think,
in a more methodological way to ensure that it's like it's that paradox, right? Like you, yes,
the blockchain is transparent, but like you got to have the right tools to figure out what
you're doing, right? And and you could overload on chain data to the point
where you frustrate someone to the point of exhaustion where they can't find you.
So what I'm getting at is that it's very nuanced. It's a very difficult problem,
but I think it's a very real problem that people underappreciate. And going back to what
you said about that cash, so I think there definitely has to still be that cash. In society,
because we don't want a situation where the surveillance state is like, yeah,
we disabled your card past 9 p.m., right? But I think that it's more nuanced than just
like that pure cash process. Whether it's KYC with different intermediaries,
or whether it's like simple utility like privacy for AI inference. Yeah, makes sense. I mean,
you're absolutely right, but I do think the problem's not solved. I mean,
I don't see how midnight night can be. Cash, so to speak, because there's always going to be
a traceable way to find the ID or find the route of which the ADA got to the person's wallet
from another wallet, right? You know, so there's bound to be a way unless you're minting the coins.
Like, how can you not expose your transaction history because you're going to be connecting
a Bitcoin wallet or an ADA wallet, right, to get assets onto it? So there's problem number one.
Yeah, but the the the thing that they were really and the technology exists.
The the blocker they were facing when they were doing this project was putting it
in very cheap phones, like super super affordable phones. I'm sure because phones started having
those trusted hardware module where you can put code in there and know that the code
won't be tampered with. I'm sure the cost's gone down now because it's been almost four
or five years when when we wrote about this thing. I was excited about it.
But there is a a clever use of cryptography. If if you know the code on the phone can be trusted,
and then of course you have to convince the the phone manufacturers to deploy that code
and then upgrade become a thing. There's that. But if you know the code can be trusted, yes,
the initial source is linked to your wallet. But then someone can go and take that ten thousand ADA
and spend five thousand at someone you know in the market, or and an Uber driver,
and that Uber driver ADA doesn't have that history because. When when you transfer the AI uses keys
that both phones can verify that the AI was moved to a set of key pairs, make the transfer,
and then guarantee that that key was destroyed, so that so they can't be double spend.
Now that Uber driver can take can come to the chain and unlock the fifty ADA out of that ten K
that was locked on chain. But that fifty ADA could have gone through three persons before it got to
the Uber driver, right? And all that history truly stays private because it was
a one-time throwaway transaction that happens on the phone from phone to phone device to device.
That makes sense. That makes sense. But it still doesn't answer the question. I mean,
I that privatizes the transactions going forward on my future transactions if I'm going to use
the Midnight Network on a Midnight Wallet, right? But the assets in the first place have to exist in
the Midnight Wallet, so you have to get some money into it somehow. How are you going to do that
privately? You know, so. You're always going to expose a history getting to use it
in the first place if you want to pay for things. To some user, the first user,
but that's how cash works now, right? It goes to the bank. They have a record, the serial number.
It's not going to be fully, fully on traceable, but you get. I mean, all the illegal stuff
that happens right now still happens in cash for that reason. It is extremely hard to say
this serial number came. Through this fifteen persons, right, extremely hard.
So I don't know if we can get further from that, but I mean, even that,
I think that would be a really good feature of crypto. Yeah, so it's it's definitely
a very interesting conversation. Like an an anonymous society can't work. If you go to the shop
and everyone's masked and everyone's voices are changed, trust will erode,
and you will not even be able to transact with one another. So there's a reason why you know
we shake hands, we see each other, we we trust creates the economy, trust enables the economy,
and we see how the lack of trust kind of corrodes trade and free trade and whatnot around the world.
But part of that is that I think often to the point of the Anamoka co-founder,
he made a great point last year, and he said that often people conflate anonymity with privacy.
And so we all want privacy, right? Blinds, curtains, tint—you know, whatever
that we use—we all have an expectation of privacy, and I think that we just have to be pragmatic
about it, and yeah, just be solution-oriented, because like, if we don't protect it,
it will just be taken away more and more. So that's why I definitely recommend these type
of solutions, and you know, I don't know how it's going to be designed,
and it's definitely a very difficult mathematical problem. To your point,
index about you know it's not cash. Yeah, for sure, it's definitely not the the replacement
for cash, so to speak. I think it just coincides in parallel. I think that it can coincide in
different products and different layers, if you will, that we already use to complement,
to almost be like the garnish for certain products. If I'm going to use Gemini,
I would love to have like a privacy filtration, almost like a VPN for such product.
If I'm going to use Grok, I would have more peace of mind knowing that there's
a mathematical guarantee that my You know, inference is maybe I don't know fractionalized more,
fragmented more, made private in some some way, or the rental car app example.
I'm sure many of us we provide so much data when we do these applications,
and often you know what's funny indexes like a lot of these rental apps will say, hey,
you can block your address, you can block this, you can block that. Well,
they're basically telling you that they they are they they want that they definitely want some sort
of zero knowledge um thing because it's a huge liability for them too.
The amount of times they silo this data and they get sued and they leak privacy
and they get Sued by even like EU big conglomerates, they don't want that.
So I think that we're probably going to see like the big Web2 guys lead the way in the in this
in this aspect with the practical tools. Nice, nice anchor. I actually had my hand up to ask you
a question about what you're building on Cardano. Yeah, for me, I'm not building any any development
or anything, but I'm just focused on the marketing, communication,
simplification of technical jargon. You should try a lovable, lovable,
and then put your imagination, dream in what you're gonna do, and then it build it. Yeah, I mean,
I've been looking at uh what Charles has been experimenting with this uh Linux just distribution,
OMarki. I I wanted to try it out myself as well. I'm really liking a lot of this vibe coding stuff.
Because for me, I'm a UX designer. I I'm not a great coder, so I think that it would be
a a good combination. Yeah, we're learning from the AI. Someone was typing. I think it's Flute.
Dot com. I don't know what the difference is between it and Lovable. But this guy,
Lovable is the AI AI program software. You can build any. Oh, I know Lovable.
Have you checked out Flute? This is what he was. This person was using is a Lovable competitor,
I think. And he was showing me like eight products. It's like sheesh. Ideas is shipping,
shipping so fast, I tell you, right? And I think I saw a lot of developers,
a lot of entrepreneurs that been killing themselves because everybody is is rushing to have to be
a millionaire for when AI starts doing everything. Well, whenever that comes, in one week from zero,
I managed to build CNFT launchpad that work on mainnet. I imagine, bro,
that's that's what I'm talking about. Now the the question is, yeah. What I was going to say is
that AI also has an edge in the sense that it's taking the best practices of UX typography,
the right fonts to use, the right color schemes to create a lot of like angry.
Don't you have to tell it though? Oh, for sure. But look, one of my pet peeves is people saying
this has great UX and they don't know what the hell they're talking about. Wow, it looks look look.
I has UX now. No, like the UX is is is about user flow, how things feel, color theory.
You can't really just like, like, like. But going back to what you said,
you have to have a final human review of like, is this good? Am I building something
that will be used? How does it feel? How does it sound? You know, all of these things
have to come into place. So, like, what I'm getting at is that you still have to have
that master chef. You still have to have that Hans Zimmer final review.
But it it's good in the sense that it's an accelerant. Even Brad Garlinghouse
and Charles Hoskinson both said this. Like, if you if you put in good, you're gonna accelerate
that even further. If you put in shit, you're gonna get shit out. Exactly.
That's why I think you you will be very good. Good to try, lovable, because it's very simple
and you have good ideas. What's it called again? Lava build. I can snipley in a build. Loveable,
you love it. It's lovable. Oh, oh, love it, love it. God, God. I was searching lava. I was like,
what? Loveable. Lava sounds great. You can create fiery things. Um, lovable,
and then this flute dot com thing too. Check it out. Um. Compare how they work. Oh, I see, I see.
Yeah, lovable app and website builder. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. That's the one. Got it. Got it. Yeah.
With the yeah, the ideas and the real problem is the is the thing now because the code is
almost almost free. Um. But if you don't really have like that real product mindset,
I guess you can have fun. I suppose you can build your own software that you use, right? You can.
That's always nice. Um. But I always find the stuff I've been using. The stuff I've been using
this AI for, I find that I when I don't spend the old waterfall thing that enterprise used to do,
when I don't put go through a round of that with the AI, and rarely sweat the the details
and see the previews before we even get the code, and it does not it does not do good at all.
Like these guys, that's been tweeting about things they've one shotted. Like I don't know,
the one shot thing hasn't worked for me. Yeah, I prefer the structured approach.
I use quite a few different AIs, but I'm agnostic to the task. I get outcomes based on a sandbox,
like lots of documents, lots of Markdown files, lots of structure, and then I ask it questions.
So it could be ChatGPT, Claude, Code, or whatever. You might not be asking a question;
you might be just writing a tool. Like, and if there's something which is complicated,
I just get another tool written within that structure. So what would love about you just chat
like we chat to each other. Yeah, but I could do that as well. But as I say,
I don't feel it actually produces an outcome which is useful. Not for me anyway,
just the way I work. But I'm an architect, so I'm quite used to doing quite structured,
organized processes and specifications and things. So also drawing an outcath. Yeah,
that structured approach is huge because the thing that these things,
especially with the current one million token limit, and then of course,
you don't actually want to be using that for one million because that's how you burn your credits
very fast. The thing once you, once you, once the thing shifts, and now you get to the place
where you're iterating. That's when the thing gets very stupid. When you're trying to change things
and breaking things and introducing failures and those kinds of things,
the so the structure documented, creating documentations and files as you go,
saves you a lot of headache downstream. And AI, if you build with an AI, it only gives you bugs
and complications if you don't understand the problem before you go to next building. Like
if you upgrade something without fixed bugs, then the bugs continue on the layer
and will hit you built at some point unless you fix them at the first point. One hundred percent,
one hundred percent. But even even as humans, sometimes too, as regular coder,
I know I used to forget about how different parts of my code connects to each other.
Or I changes utility function and I fix it five places, but I forget the sixth place.
The AI does all of that just the way the human used to used to. Yeah. Right. But when you
when it has those files to look up, those one thing that software engineers hated writing was
architectural decisions and documenting that. That this month I changed from this to this
because of that. AI makes all of that silly mistakes. But when you have it all structured in the
in the in the report in your files, God, the thing is actually good. KB,
how are you using AI for your honey? GM, good to see you here. Who else is in the room? Oh,
J J Scobbs. Is Scobbs or Scobies? A guy in fintech. You're six two. Wow. I wonder you and Danny,
who's taller? Danny's also huge. Where did you get your blue eyes, Mister Scobies?
That's in your profile. I'm assuming that's that's special. We have song Uncle Don. Oh.
SongMarketCap dot com. Nice. Do you make songs? Is this a token? Are you gonna get your songs in
MetLife City? He can come up and talk. They are foundation. They are what?
Is it a is it a is it a music thing? Yeah, they have their own foundation. Or it's a foundation.
So this is a this is a L two a a blockchain or or a product. I guess it's all product. Easy if he
if he come up and talk. Please come come tell us about song dollar sign song.
I'm assuming is on on Cardano maybe. If it's not, let us know. Hey Envy, friend of the show,
good to see you here again. Is Blockfrost still doing the thing with the with the network?
It would be good to get an update from that crew after the the last update on the
on the treasury proposal. GNP one Cardano SPO supporting mental health, very nice. Oh, hey Upstream,
friend of the show. Hope your workshops is going well. Check out Upstream, by the way,
in the education space training. I don't know if he does AI or mostly blockchain.
I'm forgetting what the workshop is. Check out his profile. Already say hi to Pyro,
Mr. Are you still marketing Pyro? What are you doing these days? Are you just fiat grinding now? Hi,
Roland. It's the Roland Kun. Roland Kun, CTO and co-founder of Actix. Okay,
local first cooperations. Nice. I was gonna have the local. Even even when we're all strapped
to our chair, like is it Wally? Well, everyone was in their chair with the glasses
and the in the virtual in the virtual world where we all have our agents now.
What happens when there is one to five agents for every human on on the planet?
Do we even have the power to support that? That would be crazy. Hey, Danny. Good to see you.
Would love a Catalyst update soon. I'm sure it's coming. Maybe. I think that rounds it up.
We still have about twenty more minutes, so anyone wants to say hi, share anything you're working
on, pin stuff to the top. The floor is open. I might as well share what I'm done with AI,
which is my profile, which is index8t.com website, which is an index of Cardano projects,
and it's open source. It's written on the blockchain. I built it in JavaScript with AI,
and it's curated, so it's just quality projects. It's only small at the moment,
and I'm now building individuals as well. So you can have a look at that.
It's kind of built in the spirit of Web one, so it's quite basic looking,
but it's built like a machine in the background, so that it becomes very, very visible to crawlers,
robots, and the rest of the internet. So I can integrate more networks together
and remove all these dead links that you have in Cardano and crypto so often.
Lidope. Oh, nice! Is this what is this index? Is it a fund, or is it just a true index in the sense
of a list of stuff that you're tracking? Is it a DeFi product? Not DeFi, no.
Just literally a directory, an index like a phone book, but for websites and created.
So think of it like Linktree, but not paid, just completely open. You can check the Git GitHub.
It's all JSON files, so it's super super light, very very very fast and visible for people
and machines basically to read. Which I think doesn't exist at the moment,
which is why I built it because I was getting so annoyed at trying to find information myself.
So I just built that, and it's only been around two weeks, just starting. But welcome any ideas,
and as I say, I'm gonna launch individuals. I've been building the individuals side,
but at the moment it's just projects. Nice. I might I might pull this into my script to try to find,
because I'm still trying to find all the the projects that's been. Funding Catalyst,
and then I'm going to do the same for Godano Governance for 694.io. I've done that already,
and so if you just scan my JSON file on my GitHub, you'll you'll find them all there. Yeah, yeah.
I'm gonna put that GitHub in. I don't know what Twitter. Twitter's being weird. What the site?
Twitter. When I click on the link, Twitter, I'm getting a certificate error
from the Twitter short link. But if I go to the link directly, it works. Needs does. That's bad.
Yeah, I think it's a Twitter thing, or maybe it just doesn't like my browser. My clock is correct.
I don't know. Maybe Twitter certificate expired. Alaska, I'll get that later.
It's the because you know when you share a link on Twitter, it goes to t. Co,
and then that redirects. The t. Co is throwing a certificate error for me. Index.
So nothing to do with you at all. But the index eighty. Com works if I type it in directly. Yeah,
cool. All right, I have to think about that. That's annoying. Ah, song. You came up.
Are you gonna do a performance? Hi guys. Hi guys. Hi hi. Are you going to sing us a song, or what?
Does what does the intro to song looks like? Give us the intro. First, first of all,
it's my first big space in my life. So I'm from Croatia. I still I don't have feeling
that my English is ready for for this stage. So last last two years we are just building building
and building, and I'm learning my English to to be ready maybe in next few months
speak public about about project. So that's reason why we always just listen, space,
and why I don't speak too much in last last few months because at the moment I don't feel
that I have enough word to to speak. But sometimes you. You get only one shot, only one chance.
So I'm always scared. Are we ready? You're doing pretty great right now. We start. I I don't know.
I'm not blockchain guy. We start. I think 18 months ago, 20 months ago. That was just idea.
My community. I'm from Croatia. It's big market here. It was Yugoslavia 30 years ago,
and now we have seven countries: Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro.
But it's big market because we all speak the same language. So we are big community here,
and we build everything here. At the moment, we are the biggest media company about crypto here,
and we we are big fans about stuff project. You know stuff stuff.io, and they they are making music,
NFT music. So we start with idea only about music. Twenty months ago, we start about idea
that we we will make some AI music about lots of crypto projects about. Lots of things,
and that was just idea. But on that moment, there wasn't enough knowledge. You know, on that moment,
we don't know nothing about blockchain, about Cardano, about how things work. We only have community
and big dream. So we start with stuff. We start making that music, and we upload music on stuff.io.
And every time after we sell one song, they take 30%, and we take 70%. So in first year
we we sold twenty three thousand songs there, and at the moment we are I think on this moment
we are number one there. But then then we start with other ideas with swap feature with partnership
with I don't know with N Maker. Five months ago we start making our own things with N Maker.
So in last I don't know in last five months we we earn
more than more than two two hundred two hundred and five thousand something like that two fifty.
We earn two hundred and fifty. Cardano. There we have business model. We have we have
good community. We have loyal community on our swap. I think thirteen thousand swap in
last seven months we have. So it's it's good business model. We didn't take any catalyst money.
We don't need. We have good business model at the moment, but we need
a little bit a little bit more knowledge. You know, so. On this, on this moment,
all focus is connect with people, learn. We are making lots of mistakes, but my mission is:
if we see that we have some mistake, fix that mistake, learn, improve, and next day be be clever.
So, but I told you, my English is not on that level. So when I speak with my community,
we have every day we have live stream, we have two hours, three hours live stream every day
on my language. We have big community, so it's easy. But at the moment,
I think we are we are not ready for big stage. You know. Market here is big. We we have good money,
good business model. We sell lots of NFTs. I think in total we we sold
more than twenty nine thousand NFTs on Cardano. Average price is five dollar.
So so you you can make calculation. It's it's it's big it's big it's big deal for us.
But we need a little bit time. We don't have time for. For hate, for for wars,
so that's reason why we why we don't have Discord at the moment. We we will open Discord
at the moment when when we have five hundred thousand ADA in reserve. At the moment we have
more than two hundred thousand. Every every everything from our business model.
So it's good to be in Cardano at the moment. It's good to be here. Wow, this is.
We only need time to learn, to learn a little bit. Yeah. Because now we have
big partnership with Giro Wallet with their Nexus. Now they they build every they build everything
for us. So now we have swap. We have big dream swap. That's called we call that dream big swap.
So we have every time when someone swap any Cardano native token. We have fee, we have fee there,
and every time when someone buy, next day Giro sends to us seventy percent from that fee, and on
the next day we we are doing buy back some token, and we are we put that on liquidity.
At the moment, we are the biggest token on snack fun ever. Ever launch, I think. I don't know,
maybe thirty thirty million Cardano. It's it's market cap at the moment.
We have I don't know project own twenty percent. I'm founder. I have four percent, and that's it.
We didn't have pre-sale, private sale. At the moment, we don't have some VC money or something.
Everything is powered by community. We have very strong community. Let's imagine four months ago,
our dream was I want to go to Singapore on token twenty forty nine. We don't have money for that.
We don't use Cardano money, Cardano community money. I don't want to ever take any Cardano
from Catalyst or from Treasury or something. So we make calculation. Okay, plane, hotel, trip,
everything. So we launch 1,000 NFTs named Singapore, and we sold more more than 800 NFTs,
10 10 dollar per NFT. More than 100 people bought. So everything is powered by community.
And now next week we have plane and we are going to Singapore. My dream is never take any Cardano
from treasury, and I want to have business model that we can every month put I don't know
ten percent from our profit to treasury or something, you know. So we need little bit time.
Just we need just little bit time to to learn English and to to learn things and improve things
and build. That is amazing! Wow, that this is the the. The a contracts a contracts. Yeah,
but but you know, in this world, if you don't have enough word, people don't buy tokenomic.
People people people want to see dream. People want to see passion. People want to see charisma.
And if you don't have enough word. They they can't feel that you know. For me it's for me it's easy.
I I had I I had in last few years I had more than two thousand live streams for my community
and that live stream where I speak more than two hours on my language it's easy you know.
I drink coffee we we open bottle of wine we speak two or three hours about things we have I have
substack community with twelve hundred people but it's my language we can speak about things
about ideas about everything you know and it's big market here. That makes a lot of sense,
and like you said, it's just it's just the time. And your English sometimes Black Jack
here has trouble speaking English, and he's he's doing better than me right now, Leido.
He's doing way better than me right now. And we and here here we have 23 million people who speak
our language, and there's no competition. So for us, it's easy easy built here than for you on
United States or somewhere when you have 100 competitors, and if and if you make mistake,
they will kill you. Here, sometimes I found six months ago. Oh my God, that was mistake. Okay,
let's fix. In in on on your stage, if you don't fix something in seven days,
you are dead because there there's competition, there's other projects, there's you know.
For for me here, it's easy to build. We choose Cardano because we are big Cardano lovers,
but big big Cardano fans. And I know that we are making lots of mistakes,
and I don't need Discord with 100 moonboys to tell me that I'm doing something. I know it's wrong,
and I need to change things. Genius, genius. That makes what you said genius. Quick question,
and then let's. Looks like we have two people who wants to maybe ask you a question, Song. Tell us.
I love the 10 second thing that you have on your website that that says what the website does.
Give us the the live 10 second version of what it is you're you're building and offering.
What is my? Hello. Sorry, I didn't. I didn't understand your question about 10 seconds. Sorry. Yes.
In 10 seconds, use use 10 seconds to tell us what you're building. What we are building. Yes.
Listen, I can't tell you because I don't want to. I I don't want to hype. You know,
I just we we just want to build because I believe in one chance, and I I I I want to see
my my song market cap perfect. So then I can talk with people. In 10 seconds now, I take all hate,
all negativity, everything, and ignore everything, and just build. I believe we are not in
in situation that we need that 10 seconds at the moment, and then I will get I don't know
50 moon boys who will buy for 100 or 1,000 ADA, and they will call me every day when moon,
when moon build this, build that. You are too slow. Go here, go there. We don't need it.
I believe lots of you saw us in last few months, last year, and maybe all of you ask yourself,
what are these guys doing? What what is song? That's what I'm wondering right now. I don't,
I don't have feelings that I need. No, is this? You know, I don't have feelings that I need.
Explain that to anyone because I have, we have loyal community, and that's enough for us. You know.
That sounds good. Yeah, I just need time to build. You know, and you can take. That sounds great.
Yeah, and we we don't scare because we don't have private sale vests or pre pre sale. We don't have
big whales or something. And I don't scare. Will will will someone speak bad about us?
Because we when we build song, it's everything about math. You I don't know last last year.
Hyperliquid they spent eight hundred millions for buy back and burn. You know. 800 million. So,
if my community, if if they if they today, if they swap any Cardano NFT token,
tomorrow we will spend 100% of that for buyback and building liquidity. And everything is met.
It's not what what you think about that, or or what some Bob or Peter think.
It's everything about met. You know. Or or when we sell NFT, when we sell NFT, it's it's.
Every time when someone sell NFT, part of that is going to liquidity pool,
part of that is going to buy back. We are paying our bills, so we we have company here
about everything. It's very hard here, you know about about Mika. It's not easy.
We pay tax every month. I earn I earn my salary. You know about story about golden egg.
You don't kill. How to call? Every day you have one golden egg. The golden goose. Yes. Yeah.
You don't kill. And then then someone says, keep getting the eggs. Don't kill the goose.
And then someone says, he will dump you. Song will dump you. Hey man, I earn every month five or
six thousand dollar with business model. Who will Who will do that? Will Will you dump
your community and kill your? You know what? Right. Yeah. Yeah. But do your research.
This next part. This next part might be tricky because it sounds like everybody has questions.
So let me just see what these people have to say. And then, obviously, you can answer
or you cannot answer, but it's it's entirely up to you. Let's let's see what people want to say with
their hands up. What's up, Blackjack? Hey guys, so I've seen you on X quite a bit.
You're doing a really good job with the socials and getting the message out.
The fact that you're doing swaps with NFTs—it's a little unclear. Through just social posts
and things of that nature, as to what exactly you're doing, or maybe what the roadmap is,
I do see that you really don't have any issue really communicating. Even
though you might state that your English is not that good, you're doing very well.
But what I'm curious is, is the business model itself, where it is now,
and where you expect it to grow to. That would be the first question. The second would be
your relationship. But we start with one question first, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you might not even answer any of them. Right. Yeah. You don't have to. Yeah. No, it's okay.
For me, for me, at the moment, I'm trying to find. You know, when when you put some player
in the game and you really don't know what is his the best position. So at the moment, I don't know.
Five months ago, there wasn't our swap widget. You know. And then, then after our partnership,
our first partnership was with Dex Hunter. They built for us our first feature. We earn one hundred,
more than one hundred thousand ADA in eight last eight months only with swap feature with
with our gym big swap. So then I see, oh my God, maybe it's that better option
to to start build something with with this. Because if our small community,
if we have thirteen thousand swap, and if we earn that money, what can happen if we build
bigger story? If we have a little bit less fee, if we have a bigger partner,
and if we have every day, I don't know, twenty thousand swaps. You know what I mean? Maybe is
that that magic. Then we have NFTs. What if if we build some NFT launchpad? Yeah,
but NFT at the moment is dead. Nobody wanna. Launch NFTs. Where is money? We I can sell dream,
but I I don't want to sell dream. I want to see where is where is money, where is community,
where is a big hype. I don't know what is next. You know, maybe some new things will be ready in in
two months in crypto space. I want to be ready to first see what is big story at the moment
and to first implement that story. You know, people ask us why why you have big fee.
I think we have the biggest fee on on the market at the moment when we speak about swaps.
And I made investigation, and we see more than one hundred platform. They have cash back
for community. You know, they earn some fee, and then they send that fee to community.
And that story. But then, then I see in ninety nine percent of all that project, they all fail. So.
Then I see, okay, why, why give that fee to community if 99% of all project is dead?
So that means community don't want anything. They just wanna hype. They wanna that their token grow.
So we decide, okay, no VC money, no no private investor money, but as community,
if you want this project to grow, we will put little bit bigger fee. And if you want this project
to succeed, swap here, and you know you can check on blockchain that if you today swap with us,
next day we spend 100% from that fee to build, to grow, to buy back, and to send that in liquidity.
So our community they love that. So for me, I know people will will will tell us you have
the biggest fee. Sorry, bro. Can you check song song market cap position? We are in top
ten in last eight months. So our community they wanna pay that because in other projects we saw
people don't have fee, zero fee, but How how someone can give you less fee?
They need catalyst money. They need treasury money. They need private, or they have pre-sale,
private sale. Some some people give them lots of money, and and they they give token to that people.
So you have feeling as community that you pay less fee, but that less fee is
much much much more later because ninety nine percent of all of that project fail.
So our decision was to be transparent to tell our our community if you want to go with us.
We go together. I don't want to build with some investor or with some VC. We build together,
but together you need swap here, and you will pay fee. But you know that that fee next day go
to buy back and to send that token to liquidity. And our community love that,
so I don't have problem with any hate or any fraud or something because we have community
who understand that. Right. I'm probably going to steal Epoch's question here,
but when it comes to the team, treasury management, multi sig, ensuring there's no single point
of failure, take and run type of setup. You guys got all that set up
because you're obviously thinking about capital deployment. You're not worried too much
about the fee structure, and if they want that rate, if they don't, that's fine too.
But then you're able to have capital to be able to deploy into new things
to continue to keep building. But I'm curious on the treasury management side with the team.
Do you guys have something set up so that there is no single point of failure? We are building.
We are building. At the moment, the biggest problem here, because I have a very loyal community.
Last year, I rent. Listen this. I rent nightclub. Three hundred people came with family, with kids.
With every year, we have big meeting. For next year, next summer, we have ten house rent
at the moment. So we have big community. So, but at the moment, from my community,
I need people with brain who will tell me, "Yure, that's great," but now you need to listen me.
I need knowledge. You know what I mean. I don't have problem to to say this is bigger than me,
so I need some consulting. I need people who will tell me if you improve this,
if if you build this better, if you you know what I mean. For me,
last last two years everything was try, fail, okay, fix, try, fail, fix, try.
If if someone is if if something is good, you keep it. If something is not good, you fix it.
If if something is bad decision, okay, forget it. Let's build. You know what I mean. So I know.
In your question, there is uh you you ask me that question in in ten seconds,
but there is job for three people for three months. You know you know what I mean.
So that's reason why I don't have every day X space on English. Why we don't have
agrostry marketing? Why we don't because we have time and I need time to build all of these things.
Maybe to be ready next year or two or in two year to be ready to to show everything to to world
because. We are not scared that someone will kill us, that someone that someone will dump us.
We have only two whales. We don't know who are them, and that that's all. In some project,
you have sixty, seventy, eighty percent holding by by ten friends, or you know what I mean. We have
big whale community, and the biggest asset I have is time. Time to learn. Time to build. So,
so if you ask me on Croatian language, I can speak with you three hours.
But now you know when you speak and you try to catch another word to to to explain everything.
It's It's fucking. I can. I can tell you can run. There's no question about that.
That's why you can run a two to three hour space. The, the one thing I am curious about
that I don't think you answered the question on is that is there a single point of failure?
Typically, with projects, they start out very centralized. I understand why, but then over time,
once they start seeing real money coming in, as you probably started to realize now,
that there needs to be. You need to, you know, de-risk some of these things surrounding
treasury management, what have you, right? So that means. Removing single point of failure,
installing a multi sig, you know, things of that nature, in order to make sure that the this project
will continue to keep growing and become better and better over time. That's what I want to see here
in Cardano. But I've seen a lot of people fail because they do not implement that early. Yeah,
and it's very you know what is very hard here. It's very hard to get support because I I know
we have lots of opinion makers in in Cardano, lots of calls, lots of guys with fifty, sixty,
seventy thousand people, and in last five years they support lots of projects.
And hundred percent of that project fail. So today for them it's easy.
It's easy to speak about I don't I don't know Pokemon card and take two thousand euro from Algorand
or something. Then then support some project. And for us the the biggest the biggest
the biggest moment was when we got support from some Cardano account. We didn't pay. We didn't ask.
You know what I mean. And some relationship we are building last few years. And I know
next week I I travel to to Singapore token to. 2049, and when you speak with people,
when they feel your passion, your handshake, your your eyes, then you get some support later.
For now, you're just some song guy from from Cardano community, and they don't give a shit about you
because they have 20, 30, 40, 000 people, and they are scared to support anyone today
because everything they support last few years it's failed. Money grab took money from Catalyst,
they took money from Treasury, and never never never never built anything, you know. And now we have
amazing numbers. Let's speak about NFTs. 29,000 NFTs we sold, $5 average price.
That's bigger than news, you know. But nobody speak about that because they they see it,
but they scare. Oh my God, what if this is one more scammer, one more pump and dump, one more
and and they they like you, but they don't want to share, they don't want to support.
So I know that we need little bit time. Now it's 10 times easier than last year, so that means
next year on this time will be 10 times easier than today. So I'm not scaring. Hey, no problem.
Thank you for a bit of a vague answer. I'll let Epoch. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. No, no, no, no,
no, no, no. You're you're fine. I'll let Epoch follow up on on my lead there,
and and we'll go from there. But good luck with the project, man, and and look forward
to actually bringing a bunch of transactions on Chaining Cardano. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you, Epoch. Uh, I don't think I have any questions because Blockjock stole them all. Uh,
but I think were great questions. Uh, appreciate you, Blockjock, and good luck out there, Song. Uh,
I know the music industry is is tough. But you definitely have a lot of energy. Yeah, but one more.
One more about song. People think music industry, but last four months, last four months,
our revenue is one hundred percent nothing with music. We start with song, you know.
We start with song, but now we built we built something something more more more better, you know.
I don't know how how to explain, but now. So where is that revenue? Where is that revenue coming
from? If not songs, that—that's my question. Actually, now, now we have—I don't know—maybe
eighty percent of revenue now is from our NFT collection. We we we are selling on our webpage. Okay,
but that's like as far from ARR as possible, right? Like, do you think you can sustain demand
over time? Yes, because my—I heard—I heard somewhere if you want to kill some project,
just ask ten people what what they think about that. You know, there is 600 million people in
in crypto space. So my mission is: we don't need all of them. We need few thousand people
to build to build empire. So world is changing every day. So I know it's big hate about NFTs.
It's big hate about NFT music. It's big hate about some NFT picture or something. Or,
but I believe if we have people who believe in mission, if if we have people who believe in dream,
if we have people who believe in some better things, that we can build that. You know. Best,
best imagine is when when you have people who who travel with with plane from Ireland to Croatia
on our gathering, or who who take holiday from Slovenia to come with with five children and
seven days be with us. Or we have big community, you know. So when you have when you have project
and you don't have community, you have big problem. But when you have community,
you can build anything you want, you know. You can learn, you can fix, you can. Now we have
big idea to build Song Market Camp. Song Market Camp next year somewhere on Croatian coast with five
or six little modular house, and we can rent everything and hundred percent from revenue
we can use for buyback token and put all of that in liquidity. You know,
there is lots of lots of idea. When you have community, you can build, you can build.
But if when you don't have community, that's big problem. I I see five or six amazing questions.
Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, can I ask the question, please? It's still my turn.
My hand is still up. He's just talking. I can't. I mean, look. The thing—I'll say one thing:
the community aspect. I think you're right. It's important to have a community,
and you can't succeed without a community. I think the difficulty is maintaining a community
over time because people will buy in expecting profit, and after two years,
if they only see extraction and they don't see profit, Then those people who actually supported you
end up being the people that talk shit about you on Twitter. So, like,
you can't just forever sell NFTs and then expect the community to stick around. They usually,
you know, will move to what's hot, right? So, I do think there's a challenge beyond what
you're saying, but your excitement is is palpable. Yeah, I understand,
and that's the moment when I can't speak more. You know what what I mean?
Because I don't want to hype. I want a project to be ready, to have moments. I don't know.
Big whale sold. And in 90% project, after you're the biggest whale sold, you have big problem.
I wanna be ready for that moment. So after we have 500,000 ADA in reserve, then we can launch
new project, new project, new project, and then we can can get a little bit more hype
or or something. Our our our the biggest dream is not to every day we sell NFTs to our community.
Why I I wanna build partnership. With with some NFT decks or something that we have position
where you can go go and you can launch your NFT, your music, your work or something,
and we can take five or seven percent. Didn't didn't didn't N maker do that?
And now they're like shutting down that line because there's not enough activity.
So your your dream is to do something that's already been done that failed. Yeah,
but EndMaker doesn't have the community. No, it's just it's just one part. We it's just one part.
I I just I just I try to tell you that I I don't want to build something because it needs lots
of lots of money, lots of time, lots of people. I I want to make lots of partnership like this
with EndMaker when we have. Our NFTs there, or partnership with Staff. Io where we mint our music,
or partnership with Gironexus. They built for us everything for our swap feature. You know,
there's lots of teams in Cardano. They built last five or six years amazing things. I want,
I want to, I want to found lots of that. Guys, teams, projects, and see what we can implement in
our things. You know what I mean. So I'm just guy who I'm just guy who put lots of puzzle on the on
on the on the place. Now we have that dream big swap. At the moment, I believe maybe
next year our dream big swap we will have the the best fees on the market.
But at the moment we can't do that because we need build, we need revenue,
we we need our foundation stronger. For us, we have more than two hundred thousand in reserve.
It's not enough. You know what I mean. It's not, it's not enough. If if we if we hit,
if someone hit us, or if if we get some big problem, I want to be tomorrow stronger than today
when we have that problem. So at the moment we only build with our community,
and if if someone make really good research in Cardano market, they will find us.
But I I At the moment, I don't want to go in every space and speak about project
and get 100 questions and get 200 problem every day because at the moment we are not ready
for that expansion and for that big, big, big market where you can sometimes get only one chance,
only one, only one chance to show what are you doing. So for us, it's easy, build every day, little,
little by little, little by little, and then time, time will come when we can show everything
to Cardano community. Okay, guys, we build this and now. You tell us what do you think.
At the moment, I hundred percent know that we are not ready at the moment for for for that.
Can you imagine now Discord group with five hundred people, two hundred haters.
They hide their name, and everybody want to tell me what what I need to do.
I know what I need to do, but I need a little bit time, you know. Epi, are you good?
Should we go to Nick? I'm done. I'm I'm wrapped up. We're done. Okay, and guys, once again,
once again, everybody, once again, I'm so sorry, my English is not on that level. It's fine.
You're doing just fine, actually. What's what's up, Nick? Thank you, thank you, little.
I was about to say you're doing absolutely fine, song. And then in the start of your interview,
you should book a meeting to join Cerrano Coffee next time and talk about how the swap work.
Was that was that Claire song? Sorry, sorry. What? Sorry, my connection. I'm so sorry. It's okay.
If you can book a time to Cudanu Coffee next time to talk about your swap,
how it worked with the fees. No problem, but not next time. Next time, we have flight in.
We have time. We have time. We will book something. We will book something. Okay. And no, no,
no rush. You know, no, no, no rush. We have, we have, we have time. Also, have fun to talking 49.
Yeah, I believe it. It will be amazing because I see more than forty Cardano teams will be there.
All foundation. I think it's going to be good. A lot of networks networking. Yes,
and maybe some parties, maybe. What's up, Pyro? Okay. Hey, hey, hey. Um. Okay. So.
Part of branding is knowing what the hell you're selling, and I've heard you talk um
for quite a while, and I'll be honest with you, I have no idea what the hell you're selling.
I hear you talk about a big community. That's sure, whatever. Like I see
that you're trying to build. I think that's really cool. And you know, Epoxy is like, oh yeah,
you did like augmented reality for for music or or something. Would whatever.
But then you're saying you're building all this. So like you have this idea,
this vision of an ecosystem with no i and and you're going and trying to pitch this idea
with no idea what the hell you what the hell it is. And you talk about like people who believe
or fade. At this point in In in in this atmosphere, where you talk about people
are are struggling to believe in a project, you like the issue is is no one no one has time
to believe to have faith. You gotta you gotta have a cohesive brand, and I like I look at
whatever this is, and the only thing you have going is you have a song token
and people who hold the song token. So what do you have plans to? Create a cohesive like idea
of this, or is this just? I want to build something. I want an ecosystem.
I want to just do the best I can, and then just have grassroots community. Like, what are you doing?
Yeah, I I understand your question, and when when I start with this journey, I I told the community.
Something, something like this. We, we in last five or six years we investigate lots of lots
of project, lots of tokens on my YouTube channel I have here in in this market on my language more
than forty thousand people. So there was lots of amazing roadmap, and I told them we can put,
we can make one of the best roadmap in the world, and ninety percent of that can fail. So.
My mission is build, build, and build. And every time when we build something,
show to people what what's new. So if if I start now, open all my plans
and and tell you I will build this, I will build that, I will build this,
and I will build build that. Maybe you will feel something better or. You feel some hype,
and what if if tomorrow I don't build that, or we fail, or or something go wrong? So for for for me,
I decide to go on on the way where every 20 days, every month, after we build something, I show
that to people, and then we see if we grow or or if we don't grow. And then I I don't want to make
100 promise like lots of project, and then what if that promise fail? You know what I mean. So.
Only reason why I speak here because Cardano over coffee saw me on the like listener
and he called me and he he he told me he told me we want to speak with you come on song
so we are not ready you you know because now you are going I don't know on SongMarketCap dot com
and that's my first shot maybe one and last chance with you and you don't like it and you forget
and tomorrow you make it's not the market it's not the market for me I don't care about the market
anymore I care you know what I mean I care about products that have a cohesive Real value, like,
because I don't have time to talk to. Well, I have time right now to talk to you, but like,
but when I'm actually putting my my own time, my own capital, you know, like,
I don't have time to to talk to to projects that don't have a cohesive. Brand, because why would I?
Why would I waste? But that's not what you're looking for, right? Yeah, that's okay.
That's like like in like in night club when you have only one chance with girl, you know.
And now you're that. I'm that girl now. You know. No, you're you're that. You know. Okay, sure.
You didn't get me, but like like. And I'm not ready. So so you're just trying to fish for anyone
that can listen to you. Is that what this is? Well, I wouldn't say that, right? Like you said,
I call him and he said. We're not ready for you guys. We have a big community. We have a YouTube.
That's who we're talking to right now. So they were just my curiosity. He also said it's coming.
Right, been talking to us about it. Song for real. Yeah, I mean that's fair.
I I realized that I was being I was being a little harsh when when like when that was clarified.
Yeah, just to state, he's not ready for this. Right, so that thing you're asking for,
he said like five times he's not ready to give it to this community, and they're working on it.
Because there's a lot of people that like steal other people's ideas. That's what he means.
And one more thing. And one more thing here. There was lots of idea. We really don't know how to
how to build, you know. And I don't have problem to say that we don't have capital to pay someone to
to build that for us. And then we have only two chains. Make partnership with someone who can,
like I don't know, like like Gear on Exodus. They built everything for us for swap feature.
Or I I need we need to learn how to do that. You know, and then there's lots of things. Okay,
now now it's a little bit easy to build something because you have AI,
you you can you can build some things. But if you want to be serious, you you need people
who can build things. You can be create a creator. You can have a dream. You can drive your.
You can put everything on paper on whiteboard, but you you need people who can build that. You know,
and and at the moment we have big dreams, but we don't have enough capital. We don't have
enough knowledge. And that's the moment, and I believe maybe next year or in next two years
I will I will I will find some I don't know some or VC guy or someone who who tell me
who will tell me okay listen I I I love your energy I love your passion I love everything
that that's good but you don't have enough knowledge I will tell you how to do this you know what
I mean I I don't have problem with ego like lots of founders and co-founders
and they are the best they are the clever guy in the room or something I know where is my place
and I don't have problem with that you know what I mean so we have we. We have good story
and we need a little bit time and then we can talk in in few months or next year or we'll be here.
I promise that you can record it. See you next year. We'll we'll still be here. Well,
E-Pax sounds a good job for you. What's up, Angry? Yeah, it's simple. I recommend people to take it
easy a little bit. You know, they're just like from what I see, they're just building,
having some fun, and I think like this entire crypto space gets way too serious. Like,
have some fun, have some joy, crack a laugh. Crack whatever. Yeah, it sounds like it's working.
I'm happy with that. Smoke a cigar, you know. It's it's almost noon. I'm gonna smoke a cigar,
go for a run. I know someone's gonna tell me don't smoke that cigar. Is it a decentralized cigar?
Does this cigar have like is it is it a multi custody cigar? And I'm fucking smoking that cigar
and I'm going for a run. And song like you guys, I I like that. Like a lot of the stuff you guys
bring up are are important. But one thing that I think I like about song is they they keep
the energy high. They keep a fuego energy. And they think outside the box.
I can tell you from the outside looking in, like I'm not affiliated with Song at all,
but I see that they're doing like AI generated music and and putting that on the Cardano blockchain.
I think it's a different angle. You guys are doing some cool stuff with like swaps.
You guys are writing a lot of innovative articles. I've seen you cover ESCO.
I've seen you cover Adam. Seen you guys cover myself. So I I think they're trying a lot
of different stuff. And hey, like if you guys want to do that sort of method of like build out
in the open and agile development and not over promising. All the power to you. You know,
keep doing your thing, and we'll watch your your progress. I understand where Pyro
and others are coming from too, of like, hey, what exactly are you doing? But I think you guys are,
from as I understand it, you're kind of experimenting, seeing what sticks, what doesn't stick,
sticking to some core values or core story, but like you're kind of like experimenting as you go,
and that kind of ties into why you don't want to do the Discord and whatnot and create commitments
and roadmaps and false expectations. You you wanna you wanna under promise and over deliver,
and you wanna kind of just experiment with the things that you guys like. Let's go to binary.
God damn, my guy, you've done good. Anyways, I've been looking on your website, and you know what,
right? To say that you say that you don't know what you're doing, I like what you,
I like what you guys are doing. Still, you know, I know the communication terms of the English make
you, you sound, you guys sound a little bit, um, like you don't know what you're doing, but.
You know, looking at some even tapping into the the code a little bit.
I see that you guys are building something like an analytic platform, which I think that's that's
quite cool. Um. So, but the thing is, there's what you're doing. It's got a lot of competition.
There's a lot of competition in that field, and but I see that you've got um. Not in that region,
apparently. Sorry. He said they don't have competition in his region. Bro,
there's a lot of competition. I don't know. I don't care what nobody says.
There's there's competition. There's one that just just literally just run off car.
Don't know with all of our money in it. That that that. Sorry, sorry. When I say competition in
in award stage, when you make mistake, you have eighty percent communities is selling
next three days because they don't believe in you. You know what I mean? They they think.
You make things wrong. There is competition and and everything on this market.
We are rebuilding communication. I I don't build platform for this market.
I I only make communication about project on this market on my language. And when we when we have
some bad days, we don't have five people for selling few days. You know what I mean?
Because we we have enough time to build to build our how how to translate.
Connections with with people, they feel us, they they feel passion, they feel everything. You know,
we are not ready to to speak about that with world, because world they have big expectation,
and my English need to be perfect. Projects need to look perfect on on on that first look
when you come first time to Song Market Cap. Only things I want to see is. Wow!
Now we are not ready for that. Wow! You know, you know what I mean. And only at the moment
I I I have communication only with with my language, with our channels. With we have every day two
or three hours live stream on Croatian language. How someone in Ontario or in Australia
or in Russia can feel project or something? He he don't know anything about project.
He only sees some tweets on on X and some on Dexcounter and top ten there is some song
and he don't know anything about song. You know? Two on binary. It's it's showing there.
It's it's showing up what you've built. Like literally, I can put two to two and two together
and we see what you built. But I'm just saying that there's competition. That
why I'm saying is competition out there is that there's competition in terms of analytics platform.
As you said, there's Dexhunter. There's um, what's it called? That float. Um,
Sunday Swap is bringing out um their float platform. Um. You know, and again, another platform,
one of the biggest platform that just got Catalyst money, which I, you know,
what I appreciate you saying that you don't want to really take no money from Catalyst,
and everything you've built, um, from start, which like yeah, I repeat, I repeat for that one. Um,
so what what you've done with resources that you have, you know, well done,
and you've you've also built out with guys around you that was helping to willing to help.
Your vision come through. So in that um in that space, congratulations, man. Um,
but as I can say to you, and build what you're building, and you know, as I said again,
build what you're building. Don't let anyone ever tell you negative things. Again,
you're building out your dream. Um, whether or not, all I can say is that you can't.
I'm gonna say this: the the other project that failed the other day tried to sell NFT,
and the whole community backlashed on them. So that you should learn a lesson from that one, right?
So when our friend that just said to you that you can't um be building, can't be selling NFTs,
you know, without People having expectations of monetary return because I'm telling you,
not nobody wants to is giving money and not expecting a monetary return. Yes,
you're gonna go buy back, you're doing your buybacks, but you got to have a proper business plan
in place. In place, so as you said, you've got the time to work on what you're working on. You know,
whichever direction you want to do or whatever you're gonna do, do it.
But just make sure you've got the right team around you. That's all I can say in terms of
so that you can continue to work on whatever vision you want to to work on. Anyway,
thanks for your time. No, thank you for your time. What I'm hearing here is like you guys
have not tapped into this market. You keep selling to EPAC in Colorado,
and you need to be bring you need to be bringing in people from random markets. All right,
bring bring your community with you. But maybe I don't know. What's up, Nick?
I just want to say I think it's amazing what he's doing. He's forming the community
in his own language, so it don't have to be the same American people looking at him saying
the same thing because they say the same. He can actually talk to someone like him because they talk
his own language, like I do when I talk to Danish people. That's a good point. Oh, go ahead, Angry.
No, just gonna say like sometimes we underestimate that the exhaustion and fatigue of the same eyes,
the same people seeing the same stuff. So you know, and there also the the cultural differences
between you know the different places of the world, and so it's awesome to see those areas in Europe
and and how you guys are doing your thing with song. So good stuff, you know. Just keep building
and doing what. And and you know what, your English is excellent. To the guy
behind the song accounts, it's it's great, and never feel that like you have to be perfect.
Some stuff, yes, mission critical tasks, sure, there there has to be perfection,
but I can tell you that like sometimes perfect is the enemy of done, and sometimes there's
no perfect moment to test something or launch something. So never let never find yourself
in that analysis paralysis, because how many mistakes lead to perfection? Right,
so I admire what you're doing. I think it's great. You have that grit.
You have that entrepreneurial grit. I really respect that. I resonate with that too.
How you're just like, hey, I'm gonna put my back behind the wall. I'm gonna work hard.
I'm not gonna take these grants and this and that. So I think your attitude is in the right place,
and if you keep going, you know, I think you'll keep striking success.
My mission is let the market decide. I don't need that money from Catalyst because I think there is
much better things and much better projects and very important projects for for Cardano
and for future of Cardano. So let's market decide. It's like coffee shop.
If if your coffee is not good, your coffee shop is empty. If you have the best coffee in town,
you have full full shop. So I want to learn. I want to build, and we need a little bit time,
and that's it. And then let's see next year what's happened. We have time.
You know we don't have some VC guy. When you have some VC guy and then he finds some another project
and then in his office he's looking. Okay, we need sell five or six project because because we have
new story. And then they dump everybody. We don't have that guys here, so we have time.
You know what I mean? Let's do cabeza. I do not go to a coffee shop unless they have one
of these two things: sisha or hookah, as you Americans call it, or books.
If you don't have either of those, you probably oh good Wi-Fi. But that's that's that's a maybe
because I have my hot spots. Sheesha or books. So if you if you're putting out a coffee shop
out there, Sheesha. I want Sheesha, bro. Starbucks out there. Spark me, bro. Bro, rule number one.
Rule number one. If you are in crypto, never connect on Wi-Fi in public place. Yeah,
you're not wrong. Oh, for sure. I have a encrypted VPN if I have to use a public Wi-Fi.
But I mostly use my my hotspot. Epack. Can I can I ask you a question real quick?
What is what VPN do y'all use? If anyone has VPN in their like actual stack, like protecting AWS
or you know for for privileged engineers, anyone have a recommendation on VPN provider? Um, um.
Go ahead. I mean, just for everyday use. I was using ExpressVPN or VPN, but I mean,
for engineer use, I'm sure it could differ. Just because I wanted dedicated,
I wanted a dedicated IP for a VPN, which is particularly important if you're doing like certain apps
or whatnot, or or you know, were they were they blacklist certain IPs? I have a Proton subscription.
Um, they've got some pretty good um technology there for the VPN stuff.
Some of it can be pretty slow. Um, but the thing I use 90 percent, 95 percent of the time.
If you're a tinkerer, I use Pi Hole with WireGuard and do my own, or I will combine it
with the Proton. So most of my traffic actually just goes to my my home ISP through Pi Hole
and WireGuard. Otherwise, Proton. But if you have that Pi Hole thing, it's amazing
because if you can set that up, all your devices can go through it in your house.
Pi Hole blocks literally hundreds of thousands of monitoring routes from my printer every week.
So that's the ultimate. Love that. Otherwise, proton. I was going to ask you, impact.
You want to pitch your services? Sounds like this could be a client. Yes, of course.
I run a security company, and anyone who needs audits in Cardano or focused on Web two,
happy to have a conversation. We do hardening, you know, cloud hardening. We do auditing.
We do like fractional CISO and incident response. And you know we can help establish
a security program in your startup. So if you're wanting to, you know, protect yourself
and your team and your product, reach out. Happy to have a conversation. With that, thank you again,
Song. Please do come back when you're when you're ready to give us that ten seconds. I never,
I'm going to hold you to it. I never got my ten seconds, and I'm sure that would have helped Pyro
and Blockjack and Blockjack as well. I think I could give it. What are you ready for that?
We will be here. Okay. If I was to speak the ten seconds, I tell you they're doing. AI, NFT,
music stuff, writing stuff, swaps, and a bunch of other things. That's it. You know,
so it's not like super, super surgical, but like they're cooking. You know, they are cooking.
That's what we should all be doing. I'm cooking. Yeah, yeah. Just don't burn. Just don't burn.
Don't burn. I have no idea I'm going to make money from whatever I'm cooking. Um,
but maybe think about that too when you're. A tale as old as time. Exactly.
That's like literally all of us. Fish don't fry in the kitchen. Keep cooking on the grill. Thank,
thanks everybody. Thank you so much for coming up and saying hi to us. Song,
come back when you're ready. I think you did great for your first X space. You did amazing.
My first X space was a disaster. I tried to make a joke that nobody understood,
and I was almost booted. This was in on every EPAC the the space with a guru. Guys, guys, guys!
Thank you very much for everything. I'm I'm 40 years old at the moment. I don't feel my legs. So,
oh, thank you for everything. You should go go drink a coffee or a beer or something.
It was it was pleasure. It was pleasure and honor. The pleasure was ours. Thanks for coming.
We had a great time. See you guys on the next space. Thanks everyone. Thank you, Lido.
