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Cardano Over Coffee ☕️ w/ @tipsy__turtles
Recorded: Aug. 7, 2026 Duration: 2:09:43Space Recording
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Gm gm gm. Hello there. Ah, hello, and how are you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm okay. I'm okay.
I'm just here
with um, something a little stronger than coffee. But I'm excited to have a chat this morning.
Awesome. So, what are you drinking? Uh, just some red wine. Keeping it simple this morning.
If you don't mind, like I'm trying to kind of match some of the voices to names.
So I see the cutout of a coffee logo, but I'm trying to match the voice. Who am I speaking to?
It's Maureen. Ah, Maureen. Okay, perfect. Uh huh. Maureen behind the cup. Ah, well,
happy to be talking to you. Ah, actually, I don't know if you saw it, but um,
I wasn't sure if today was like a year day for the cutout of a coffee session,
and I tried to tag in the post today, so I sent like a little reply to say, you know,
we'd love to take you out for coffee this morning. So I'm glad to see that you're here. Oh. Oh yeah.
I don't know. Did you tag me? I didn't see it. Yeah, I did. Let me. It's actually a nice little
cut down over coffee illustration we did with our character. So let me probably just arch it
again real quick. Marine, cut down over coffee. Ah,
so just sent it back your way. Probably let the community know that we're getting started soon.
What's up? Hey Chad. Good morning. GMGM, how are you doing this morning, Maureen? I'm doing great.
How are you? I'm doing great. I am kind of rested up from Vegas. I'm. Working and feeling, feeling,
feeling it. It's Friday, you know. Like we get in this life in in the full-on overdrive. Am I right?
Yeah. Yes, you're right. Okay, Tipsy Turtle. I saw your tag. It's so funny. Yeah, one.
I don't know if you if you remember like you know some stuff the kids used to say.
I cook it to my veins. That was the the inspiration. That little illustration.
I don't know what kids say these days. I find that hard to believe, Marion.
I know your kids keep up with everybody and everything. Hmm. You know, I keep up with the kids.
Yeah, I saw. I saw some stuff from you a while back. Um, I think in like your local community,
you do a lot for kids, like looking to get into coding. So where are you from?
I'm trying to figure out your accent. It's Jamaica. Hard Jamaica, Jamaica.
Is it hard for you to understand or no? No, I hear you fine. It's a little bit British,
but it's also not. It's kind of a bit of British and Australian. I don't know. I don't know. Asim,
I'm sorry. No, I understand. The the The Brits, obviously, you know, historically,
they spent a lot of time here. You know, we take after them. A lot of our systems mimic theirs.
You know, for a long time, you know, they were the ones to really govern and look after the island.
So we have like a heavy, you know, British influence in some cases. Hmm, I can imagine. Yeah, man.
Those fuckers went everywhere, huh? Yeah, man. They went everywhere. They brought the boats.
They brought the crew, and they did what they did. Motherfuckers. Yeah, I tell you, I tell you.
Yeah, you know what's funny about you. So, like, I see your tweets from time to time. So, like,
I know you're a spicy person. So when I when I when I heard you speaking this morning, I'm like, ah,
your voice doesn't sound like I would imagine. And then it just came out a while ago.
So I can't hear it. No, I can't hear it. No. No, I generally my voice is not the way. It's not.
It doesn't sound like my words, so that can get confusing. Hey, Johnny. Hey, everybody. Tipsy. Um,
you went. You went to happen to been in the Charles space yesterday, were you? Yeah, I was. I was.
It's that same guy. That same. I thought it was you, man. Yeah, that was so cool.
What we learned about Ethereum. Are you gonna like tell everybody? Now, man, definitely.
So I actually, well, for context for everybody listening, there was a call with Charles yesterday,
and. He brought up like an interesting factoid. I had no clue. I'm super excited about it.
I'm going to do an investigation starting today, actually. So there's an artist called Ninjaman.
He's in jail now, but apparently one of the Ethereum co-founders they spent a long time in Jamaica
and they were friends with Ninjaman. So apparently there was a big falling out,
and I'm super interested in in trying to find out you know what happened there.
I'm actually work with Some guys that are heavy in the music industry.
They have links to a place called the Creative Factory. So I'm actually going to go
and ask them if they know, you know, the 411. And if I get any juicy details
on like what actually happened that inspired him to kind of like move to Jamaica, leave Jamaica
because of the falling out of Ninjaman, I'll let you guys know for sure. Yeah, man. Well, yeah, man.
That dude is a disagreeable dude. So I can I can completely see how you know you could be friends
with him for some time, but like he takes offense, you know, fairly easily.
And like he's from that era where. When you take offense, like in Jamaica,
we say you know them dark, to mean that it can move quickly from a simple situation
to something serious. So I can actually see that happening. So let's see if my suspicions
are correct. We call that mercurial, after the god Mercury. Johnny, where are you from, man?
Like trying to place the term to like a. Oh, I'm a I'm Pennsylvania, in the U.S. Got you. Got you.
No, he's from Africa. Uh, we all meet him once in a while in Cameroon. Yeah, yeah, of course.
Don't worry, Johnny. I got you. I have a bit of Alzheimer's, apparently. You guys know how you know.
I'm from Africa in spirit. Ah, well, spirit and spirits. When you call spirit,
it it does go a certain direction, Johnny. Do you?
What's that? Do you fly? Do you fly at night? Always. Okay then.
Dude, I've been in a dream where where people looked at me and they're like,
"You don't belong here." I'm like, "Oh man." That's DMT. Is that a drug?
I see a lot of people down there. Good morning. I see Rod. Hi, Rod. I see Jenny Burrito.
I see Wilco. I see Saint. Jude, I see Alex. Hi Alex. Hi Alex. I see cryptic.
I see someone with a Chinese name. Um, I have no idea. It's a something. Uh,
you guys are all welcome to Kalanava Coffee. It's Friday, so it's fun day. I see Jamian.
Jamian Jones. So marine, so that's actually still me, but so what I try to do, right?
I join from my phone and put it in another room, so that like in case the space rugs,
like I have another device that I can just maybe just move over to. So yeah, my nice backup.
That's good. That's good. Nice PFP, by the way. Ah, thank you, thank you.
I like those eyes look like mine, like my actual eyes. They kind of look like that. Well,
you know what, marine? I think this is a sign. You should probably pick up a Tipsy Turtle,
cause the eyes tend to look like that. Damn it. Yeah, go ahead. Satirical and annoyed.
That's your energy. Epoch in the room. Yeah, man. Gm gm. I have arrived. You're welcome.
Happy Friday. Oh my God. Fortunately, you're here. I know. Fortunately,
my kids go to school next week. It is time. That's good. I thought that was not good. No,
it's very good. Get these kids out of this house. That's such loving parenting. I went
and got donuts. I should. I should get them donuts. So guys, what's happening in Cadano Land?
I I know that Intersect is doing like this. This voting thing on their bylaws. Who voted on that?
Show a hand if you voted on the Intersect bylaws. No hands. Okay. Good. Uh, just what I thought.
But yeah, there was an update on their bylaws. I never read it to be honest,
so I can't tell you guys anything. I'm completely useless. But what's a bylaw?
What is a what is a what is a bylaw? Is it less? It could go either way. State law. Side law.
Oh my god. What's a bylaw? Even do I take you to English class? Educate me, man. Let me read it.
I honestly don't know what is a bylaw. I actually I know, but I'm not so sure.
So bylaws are the internal rules and guidelines set by a group, a company, or local government.
They tell members how to run daily tasks, hold meetings, and make choices. They must follow
higher national or state laws. So that's what a bylaw is. Okay. So cool. Sorry, Marina.
I just have to to correct you here. So my definition here is says they're your relatives
by marriage. So that's that's that's it. I thought those I thought those are in laws. Come on.
Inter laws. Intersect. No, no, never mind. Intersect laws. I don't know.
I feel like intersect has a new bylaw document agreement some shit every other week.
I think they have. I think Jenny knows. Jenny knows. Hold on. Wait. Wait. Jenny, Jim.
That's actually, I'm sorry, but that's just Marine forever and ever now. Um, that's Marine sounds.
Um, just because she does it to herself, that's just how it works. Um,
mine is more like a beepity beep beep beep beep. Guys, I got back my button to share to pin stuff
from my from my iPhone from my Android device. Do you believe it? After like a year and a half.
I don't know how it's been. It's been literally forever. It's been like I can't even remember a time
when you could post. Like I mean, I had to buy a whole like freaking like like iPad
because I couldn't do it. And today it just happened to be. You know, I was like,
let me check just in case because I noticed they did some updates. I think it was yesterday.
The last time I I joined a space, I think it was just. Oh yeah, it was actually a Tipsy Turtle space
yesterday when he was doing a space with and Maker. And it was giving me all this like instructions,
like it was the first time I was joining a space, you know. And I'm like, hmm,
they made some changes because they only do that when they they do updates. So I'm like,
let me check. And the first button that I have available is shared to space.
So I'm happy to announce: if you have an Android, if you have a Samsung, something like that,
you might have regained your ability to pin tweets on spaces. Woo hoo! Jenny, yes,
I don't give a fuck. Can you tell us what a bylaw is? A bylaw are internal rules
for an organization. So I don't think they're gay or anything like that, Epo. I'm sorry.
I know that you were getting a little horny there, but that ain't gonna happen. Go vote.
That's what you gotta do. Vote. I feel so seen. It's already over. It's it's too late now. How then?
Then why are we even talking about this shit? Okay, never mind. No, no. I just saw the email. Oh,
yeah, the bylaws passed. And then the last weeks they've been forcing me to vote, and I was like,
fuck off, unsubscribe. And now they're telling me, yeah, it passed. And I'm thinking, okay,
maybe like 20 people voted, right? So I'm doing a census on how many people voted.
And no one in this room voted. Obviously. Well, I heard that. I actually I didn't vote. No,
I have been a little detached, but I know that there was something about like new KYC,
and some people were like annoyed about it. I don't know if that had anything to do with the reason
why some a lot of people didn't vote. But guys, we just voted for intersect again,
and might as well just start participating, right? So there's a lot going on in there.
Let's see what we can do if we're gonna be part of it. Might as well just.
Give it a give it the the little few minutes that it deserves to make it better.
I guess can't complain if they're trying to make it better. We don't participate. So
how about I just don't do anything and I complain? That works, Marine. That actually works too.
But I do wanted to share. I did want to share, and I pinned it up at the top as my first pin tweet
from my phone in a long, long time. Is that they have a cardinal constitution, an amendment portal?
So it's a I guess it's an alpha testing, but you should check it out because I guess if you It's a
it's a place that if you want to add suggestions to the Cardinal Constitution,
I guess is supposed to make it easier. I haven't tried it myself, but I thought it was
worth sharing, and I pinned it up at the top. Thank you, Jane. You pinned it up at the top. I did.
It feels so good to say that. I've been asking people, can you please pin this up at the top?
I feel so annoying. And and no one ever does. Because no one can do it.
There's nobody's got the button. People have the button. They just don't give a shit.
They just don't care. They're just rude. Yeah. I love it, Johnny.
I always post Jimmy stuff on the jumbotron. Yeah, it's you, Chad. You don't count,
Johnny. You had your hand up. Like, how does it go? Like, am I encouraged to post things
on the jumbotron or no? Marine, please feel free. Okay. You can. You can.
It's banter time until our guests get here, and you're the guest. So. I don't know. Do you?
Until you post something that Maureen doesn't like, and then you'll be banned and forbidden.
Then you will. Go ahead, Maureen. I'm interested to hear like what you have to say about
something that I like to share. But like I'll probably share that, so it's all good.
But I'd love to hear what you actually think for real. Well, think about what about
if you say something I don't like. Well, if you see something you don't like, so there's,
so we have some screenshots, and we get into it a little later. But so yesterday on the space,
Patrick was saying, man, like I'd love to buy this NFT, but it'd be too controversial
if people saw it in my wallet. It's like a a picture of Charles's butt cheeks with a tram stamp
that says cattle daddy, and then like there are a couple other NFTs like that.
So I'd love to hear like you know what you think about that kind of thing. That's a bylaw.
Can I verify that it's Charles's butt cheeks? Because anything can be Charles's butt cheek
if you say it's Charles's butt cheek. But if I can verify for A certainty, then yeah,
I want that NFT. Yeah, man, it's on the blockchain, so it's verifiable. It's Charles's ass for sure,
100%. How much does it go for? At the moment, 51 USDM. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that.
What cost would you do it at? Maybe two USDM, which is what five ADA. Yeah,
I would do that for five ADA. Oh damn. Yeah, Marine, that that puts us back, man. Yeah, Marine.
Marine's budget doesn't go into the art collecting category. Sorry. Got you.
But strictly buying coffees, like, what's your thing, Marine? What's your vice? Uh, I'm sorry.
On on the NFT. Well, not necessarily NFTs. Just like you know, where do you spend most your ADA?
Like, how do you, you know, if if you're okay with answering something? Um. Honestly,
I never spend my ADA, but I did buy some Strike recently, and I was I felt so happy
because um immediately. Well, not immediately. But a little bit afterwards,
I I saw like rewards from my staking and it was a lot. So I was like, oh nice. So I only bought,
and then I also got some USDM when ADA was like almost I think like sixty cents.
And then I changed it back when it when ADA was super low, and I saw that I had a shit ton of ADA,
like over one thousand five hundred ADA on top of the original ADA I had. And I was like, oh my god,
I should do this more often. Wait, you hedged? Yeah, I hedged blackjack.
I did that against the volatility. Well, way to go! I know. So yeah, that's congratulations.
I generally don't do shit with my AI. It's just didn't do. Blackjack. So I was saying to myself
while she was speaking, man, like I went through a roller coaster of emotions. You know,
on you guys' behalf, I'm like, ah, she she got some USDM. Then she said she hedged. Like, how does
how does the team feel about that thing? You know, I'm not sure. Where do you guys stand on,
if you don't mind sharing, blackjack? Like, how do you feel? How do you want to see people use USDM
like in the ecosystem? Well, USDM should be used similar to other assets that allow you to be
able to hedge against volatility. So, it also should be used for all sorts of payments.
We're now seeing it being adopted to perpetuals. Every one of the perpetuals,
which includes anything over in ETH and of course over here in Cardano,
they're all based dollar-based now. Stable coins are the thing that they wish to have it based in.
It makes it a lot easier as far as the math. Goes, you can bring any asset in and convert it,
but it's going to be converted into a dollar-based asset, you know, or pegged to the dollar.
So this way, you know, it just makes it a lot easier to be able to manage the perpetuals
and the contracts surrounding that. But the typical way people do it is, is
that when you want to lock in profits. From a gain, you want to move in and out of stables,
not dollars. So let's use Coinbase for example. If you're over in a centralized exchange,
you would use USDC because you could move into that, which I do on a regular basis.
When I sell ADA at a higher price and move into USDC, if I made a profit, let's say for example,
and sell into it, I always sell into USDC and then sit and then wait for it to move back down
because markets always move and the volatile assets move with it, and then maybe buy back in,
you know, as it drops lower and if it's in a in a price zone that I want to buy it back in at.
You know, so usually that's the way, the best way to do that. If you're doing it over here
on decentralized exchanges like Sunday Swap or Byfi or MinSwap, then you'd be doing the same thing
and be moving in and out. The only struggle we we end up running into is the fact that we have
lower liquidity, so the slippage there is a little bit higher. So you end up giving away some
of your profits to the slippage, you know, because of the low liquidity.
Depending on the amount that you're trading, anything over like a thousand dollars right now,
still to this day is still, you know. Not as good as it should be when it comes to losing some
of your value. So that's the way I think about it. And then we could also do that.
And we're starting to see it now with treasuries starting to hedge. So proposers coming in, getting
either you know getting the reward from you know their their proposal going through,
and then ultimately choosing a stablecoin rather than a volatile asset in order to ensure
they can make it through their deliverables. So these are all things typically
that everybody does on a regular basis, but there's so many uses for it, you know.
And a lot of it is maybe just set it and forget it. If you can get a yield on it as well, you know,
anywhere from four to six to nine percent, you know, then I'd say you're doing pretty good.
You don't have to worry about IL. You don't have to worry about beta volatility
or other asset volatility. You just set that portion, forget it. Doesn't mean
you still don't go into volatile assets. I do on a regular basis. You just make sure
that you have some of it. In a non-volatile asset in order to ensure, just in case some sort of drop
in price or things like that. Non non-volatile asset. What kind of bullshit did I walk into? No, no.
It's max max leverage, max risk. Hold the riskiest asset. Of course. Well, for some people, yeah,
right. And then, do we want to do that though with our our proposers? Maybe we could do that
with our proposers. Epoch, let's do that too. I say we take the multi-asset treasury idea,
and we also include. Meme tokens like Doge and others that we can you know YOLO into
with the treasury. Yeah, I wouldn't go that far. No, I'd go I'd go like one step shorter than that.
But yeah, okay, all right. I just you know I wanted to I wanted to just get the full ride experience
you know that you're talking about because we all love you know the especially what was it
the Doge millionaire documentary where it shows the guy making all that money
and then him holding the entire time as it goes back down and him still living with his mom
in an apartment. Okay. That's pretty bad. Yeah. This is this is funny.
This is actually the perfect moment to say like one of the NFT snippets.
We actually included him in the animated short movie we made for Cardano. Nice. So if you like,
if you go on the platform, like literally one of the snippets is of him like, um,
kind of like in that cradle position and holding himself while the price of ADA falls.
I don't know how many of you know, but he was actually bullish on ADA for the longest time.
But I haven't heard him talk about Cardano in so long. So I guess maybe not anymore.
So that was actually like a depiction of kind of like his status or his relationship
with the ecosystem. So to start, it'd be good to kind of just say it there
that you know we actually have him as one of the NFT snippets. If he just been like marine
and take profits, I mean, you just got to ring the register. It's what's called ringing the register
every now and again. That's all you need to do every now and again. I just thought like,
let's put some Bitcoin in the treasury first. That's what I would do. No, I don't approve.
I think Bitcoin would be a great asset to have.
No question. Epoch, you know, right? Waitings. I mean,
my crypto—it's weighted. You know, Bitcoin is actually my largest holding right now.
Outside of Bitcoin, so. How much Bitcoin do you own, Blockjack? He's not answering that.
An undisclosed that is. Blockjack. Blockjack. You used to say you didn't have Bitcoin.
You used to say you didn't have Bitcoin. Millions and millions. I have Bitcoin. Blockjack.
You used to say you didn't have Bitcoin. No, I have Bitcoin in a SEP, IRA, actually,
and the it went in. It went in post. I bought it post tax. And I use Grayscale's ETF in order to.
Originally, I use Grayscale's other product, but it's on ETrade. Literally on ETrade,
it was the first thing I was available to get. You're doing the boomer thing, Block Talk?
Are you kidding me? I'm doing the smart thing. So I would like it to be.
I would like to be my categorized with being smart. With smart money. Okay.
Do you want to make out of that's very wise. I love it. I love it. You know,
you got to retire at some point. I mean, you know, people do retire. I don't know if I do,
but people do retire. But Bitcoin's been actually pretty good. I'm up 320 percent from
where I was buying it at through the DCA process through my SEP. And by the way,
whenever I take disbursements, which I can now do without penalty,
I don't have to pay taxes on it because it's a Roth. So it's a beautiful thing. So yep.
Pays off. Pays the save, man. I'm like, dude, take it off, put it in
like your own self custody wallet. He's like, I don't know what that means.
I'm just gonna leave it right there on Cash App. I'm like, dude, it's a SEP. He can't move it.
I can't move it. I have control over it. So with my SEP, I actually don't have a somebody
handling it. I manage it myself. It's not his Bitcoin, guys. It it is my Bitcoin, actually.
It it's made believe Bitcoin. Oh my God! Block Jack, Block Jack, have you learned nothing?
Have you learned nothing, sir? No, I understand what you guys are saying. The phrase is:
I have exposure. Not your keys. No, no, you fit. You fill in the sentence, all right?
Like that show where you turn. Not your keys. Not your. Not your keys. Uh huh. Okay. Guys,
I honestly, I honestly don't know if even if it's your keys, it's your either.
Look at what happened to your boy. I mean. We kind of keep singing that song. Just yeah,
and the cold wallets. Yeah, now the cold wallets are being exposed, which is weird to think about,
right? You're like, I you know, I have three cold wallets, guys. Like that, I'm terrified of using.
I even want like this Ledger. It's um, the Snoop Dogg Ledger. I want it on this. You know,
like it's like this limited edition Snoop Dogg thing that the Clay Girls had, and I wanted,
and like one of their events. And I'm terrified of using that shit, guys.
I've always been terrified. I've never used it. So it's funny that you say that, Jenny,
because I remember there was a ledger giveaway, and I was like signing up for it,
and then I was like, "Wait a minute! If I get it, I won't use it because I don't trust it. So
why would I take it from somebody else?" I told, I yeah, I told the Keystone people.
They try to give me one with like embroider my name in it and everything, and I was like,
"I love you guys, but no, thanks. Just come and learn our coffee." Would Would you like us
to touch it some more for you? Like, hey, this this ledger comes with
a pre pre disclosed seed phrase. Congratulations! Yeah, come on. Guys, yeah,
I'm terrified of that stuff, guys. So yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, but we have a guest. Sorry.
Speaking of embroidered, there is somebody embroidering a morgo. Apparently,
there is a scammer trying to be a morgo, and they are scamming people. So stay safe out there.
I just pinned it at the top. Ah. You know how it's not a morgo? You know how you know it's not
a morgo because they're actually doing something. Ta da da. Oh, hold on!
I just realized that our guest signed up for ten thirty-five, even though he's hanging out with us.
Yeah, that's a cool guest. That's a cool guest. But Jamon, can I ask you something? Sure, Marine,
go ahead. Is that your real name? Yeah, man, it is. Okay. Government name and all. Well, I I wanted.
Dude, you literally just say Jamon. That's okay. That's funny. I I wanted to ask if it's
his real name. You have to lean into the stereotypes, guys. You got to. Yeah, man. Let's go.
I like it. Sorry, Marine. Say that again. I never heard you. What? I never heard what he said.
He said Yaman. He answered your question without answering your question.
If you don't know what that means, just yeah. Don't confuse my guest, guys. Look,
I'm over here confused. I haven't had any coffee yet, so. Yeah, he had wine, guys. He had wine,
red wine. He's living the bougie life. Red wine? Is that breakfast? Nice. Yeah, blackjack.
You know what? It is. Judge me if you want to. Judge me if you want to, but it is. Nah, no judgment,
pal. You do, you do, you. Whatever we need to get through, do to get through this life. That's all.
Is it? Is it a white wine or a red wine? That's right. It's got to be red wine, man. White wine.
I've had it. That's too dry. Then no judgment from me. If it was white wine, I would assess you.
But you're cool. What if it's black wine, Epoque? That doesn't exist. That's just nasty wine.
That's racist. Damn. You cannot have black wine. That's racism. How dare you? Epoque. I mean,
do you have do you have brown wine? There's light brown wine. I was good to go. Yeah, is there like?
I mean, come on. Is there a Latin brown wine? Isn't it just urine? Come on.
Don't you when you watch Dracula, doesn't he drink like what looks like black wine? I mean,
it looks like it if they do it right. Dark, dark, blood red, and it also do it right. Well,
you know, they gotta make it look like blood. It can't look like red wine.
That'd be Everybody like that's not blood. Hell, what was that show? What was the show
with that woman named Sukey? And she's like Sukey. Oh, it was like vampires. Oh,
like that Bill Compton something. Oh, that was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a great series, man.
True Blood. There it is. That was. Everybody loves Sukey. I've got your time. I had to have it.
Snark for a minute, Snooki. The white guy's like, oh, Sukey, Sukey, Northman. Oh man,
that was a good series. Great series, man. No question. Always have a problem like controlling
the reaction you get in real life versus like being on this space. So if something is funny,
do you use the haha button here, or do you just laugh? It doesn't work. I'm trying it right now.
Like, where's the? Okay. I I saw something Ipak put in the chat, and that it was so funny,
and I was laughing. But then it's it's not the time to laugh in this space. No, I I appreciate
when you unmute and laugh and then remute. That's the best. It's the best. I like doing that, dude.
I do that and then I'm like, why do I do that? It's just I need to share my laugh. It's so funny.
Do you say that? We have to share the laugh. The emoji's not really. I don't know.
Doesn't really do it. What else are you gonna do? Like open up the comment feed and type lol
and then hit send? Like no, laughing is with it. And then ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Holland.
I don't know. Verbally doesn't really sound too good. Or lol. I don't know. No,
people use LOL when there is nothing funny. There's just something awkward,
and you don't want it to be too serious. Like, oh my God, Eepak, you're so silly. LOL.
I don't think so. Maybe, maybe some people do that. I think if I just say you're so silly,
it's too tense, and Eepak might want to fight me. You know, so I say LOL.
So you would use a passive aggressively. Exactly. Come on, Jenny. You know, you know her style.
Jenny said that the rhetorical question. I mean, how else would she do it? Yeah, she didn't do it.
I mean, it would be weird. I'm like, who are you? To be honest, I don't feel passive aggressive.
I just aggressive. Just if Marine doesn't hate you, there's something wrong with you. No doubt.
You know, before you guys came on, and I was actually teasing her because I was like,
so I've seen her tweets all over the timeline, and like maybe seventy percent
of them are aggressive. So when I heard her voice, I'm like, ah, this doesn't match.
And in like maybe three sentences later, I'm like, okay, there it is. Oh yeah,
she likes to start the spaces. Hi guys, happy Friday. I want you, and then you know,
I try to learn for India. That was pretty good. Yeah, you lure them in like a whack a mole.
She comes in all, and then I bite. Yeah, yeah, and then if you guys ever watch like Pirates
of the Caribbean, the visual I got just now is like the mermaid scene,
like um when they they sing to the sailors and then kind of draw them in,
and then all of a sudden you see teeth, and they drag them into the water and kill them.
That's the visual. That's the sirens, and she's definitely one of them, no question,
lure you right in and then drag you into the water. So epoch, someone defined a bylaw for you.
Epoch, a bylaw is the mechanism that allowed average Joe's gym. A second chance to win
the dodgeball world championship in a tiebreak showdown. Thank you, Chuck Norris.
I have no idea what that. That's so funny, though. That's so funny. That's so. I mean,
anybody watched dodgeball? I mean, thanks, thank you. Uh, I did not understand it,
but if Jenny says it's funny, then it definitely is. Oh, it's so funny. You haven't watched?
I don't think it is anymore. All right, we gotta we gotta get you a TV out there, Maureen,
so you can watch. Yes, we do. Dodgeball. Yeah, favorite scene is when he's throwing wrenches at him.
You can dodge a wrench. You can dodge a ball. I know it's Maury, guys. I know it's Maury.
He's the guy that wrote the Big Bang Theory, right, or something. I don't know. No,
that's maybe if you're Texan. Hey, y'all! Where's Steve the pirate? That's Maury. That's Dar.
I need someone to correct me. It's my favorite thing to say. Chuck Lorre and Chuck Norris. Oh well,
guys, I don't care. Yeah, Lorre and Norris. Chuck Norris is a totally different person
than Chuck Lorre. It's all the same to me. It's it's it's I don't white people names. It's the same.
Chuck was. If you watch this, who the hell is Chuck Lorre? Norris. Chuck. Is it? Is it Chuck?
I know Hugh. I know Hugh Lorre. No, no, no, Chuck. Uh, Lorre. He's the writer. He wrote a bunch.
Nine hundred two one oh. Did he write nine hundred two one oh? No, that's somebody else. Damn it!
I am confusing the whole thing. Somebody's like, yeah, Chuck Lorre. Big Bang Theory, like. Um,
all of that universe, like two and a half. Was it two and a half men? Two and a half men.
He's like behind all the shows, dude. Good writer. All the hits. The only reason I know about
Chau Norris is that I was in this Facebook group, and we there was this running joke all the time.
People would just say things like, "Oh, Chau Norris can divide by zero. Oh, Chau Norris is, uh,
all this great stuff," you know. Have you watched? Chuck Norris? No, I have not. Oh my god!
You gotta watch it. The episode with the balloons, where he jumps into the balloon
and then jumps from one balloon to another while in the sky, in order to get the perpetrator,
is crazy. He's so dynamic. As he's like roundhouse kick, roundhouse kick, roundhouse kick.
You know she's about to give you an LOL. Maureen, are you a millennial or no?
I have no idea what that is. So she just she just turned 21. Whatever that is. So
if she was a millennial, so so Caribbean culture is pretty close to African culture.
If you spent time with your grandmother, like you'd be watching like reruns of Texas Ranger.
So like you know you'd be familiar with Chuck Norris and then like all the subsequent memes
that came out like with him and Noki and that that type of thing. But like if you're skew younger,
I don't know. Those memes kind of died out. You know after a while. It's sad when you, especially
when you have a reference that nobody gets anymore, because it's was before they were actually born.
In some cases, so a millennial is mid my dilemma. I don't even know. I can't use it.
I'm like I am completely out of references. I can't use any reference at all. Nobody gets it.
So yeah, it's trying to like it's kind of like trying to explain a joke. Once you try to,
if you have to go into explaining the joke, it's no longer funny. It's a problem. Blog joke.
Just hang out with people your own age. That's what it is. If I hung out with people my own age,
they'd be, you know, they'd be, I don't know, mentally, emotionally. I think I'm
right around eighteen, nineteen, dude. So you guys are too old for me right now. Oh my god,
that's true. I feel so old right now. I mean, come on. It is what it is.
People saw me run around with a T-shirt gun like I was ten at the rare rare bloom event. Okay.
So we did all kinds of dopey stuff. Got together and shot the hosky stress balls at each other
with the t-shirt gun, like two for ten. I mean, it was all kinds of crazy stuff.
Jenny shot Rand in the nuts with a t-shirt gun. I mean, it was just fun, fun.
What were there hosky stress balls or the Epoch stress balls? Oh, was it hosky or Epoch?
I don't remember now. Epoch was the one with the stress balls. I don't have Epoch stress balls.
Yeah, it was the Epoch stress balls because he brought them. That is correct.
Thank you for correcting me. Appreciate that. So we know the market works, dude. That stress ball.
You remember how tall the building was when we went out to like where the fire pit was
and all the grass, the fake grass and everything out there. I think it's fake grass, whatever.
And so we shot one of those balls out of the gun at at the strongest amount,
and it went over the building. It had to be at least three to four hundred yards.
And then we decided after that we were going to shoot at each other. From like twenty
or thirty paces away, you were like nuts. Like you kind of became a little manic,
and then he's just like, like with that thing in his hand, and then like the people
of security like were like following him around, like and he's like inside the building.
I got yelled at for that. We were shooting t-shirts at that point. We were shooting t-shirts inside.
Remember the game that was to the right of us? That game company or whatever.
They had that little cute. Cat or whatever that you that you raised and washed and stuff. Yeah,
you think about macawsi? Yes. Yeah, macawsi. So I got one of those guys to stand over,
and then we shot at him, and one of the t-shirts went up in the air and went towards the water,
the fire suppression suppression system system that they have, and then the people came over,
the security guys came over and said, "You can't shoot that in here." It's like
kind of like he looked back calm. They were literally like running behind you, like stop.
There's still to this day the Epoch stress ball on the roof of the Gaylord. There is,
there's no question. At least one, if not more. One, no question. Good times, good times.
Definitely good times. We should have never moved it out of that thing, dude.
That hotel was the shit for that kind of event. It was really cool. You know, so I heard a rumor,
a funny story that potentially it could move back, right? And so towards the end of the event on
the second day, I saw Rand and Wes. They were sitting on the chairs there.
And whenever talk to them, you know, half checking in on them, doing like a sanity check with them
and what have you. And then the other part is seeing how it's going and whether or not they might be
interested in moving back to Denver. And I'm not sure they're interested. Last year,
if you don't move back to Denver, I'm not going to sponsor. And I don't.
I think they thought that he was buffing or something, but. He said, "If you move it back to Denver,
I'm sponsoring. I'll doing my thing." So to them, it feels like going backwards.
But why is it backwards? I don't think they want to go. Dude, I mean, oh, that didn't end well,
guys. There's no the odds of going to Gaylord are negative. Oh yeah, it didn't end well
because I remember the videos at the end. Dude, I I was there. I remember I was checking out,
and I'm walking by the desk, and I just see Rand and West like at the front desk talking to
these people, and Rand looks pissed. That's what I remember. He was so pissed, right? He was so mad.
Well, because it was like they had um they had all this crazy construction going on,
and they didn't tell him in advance about any of that. So he I think was looking for like. You know,
a discount or something, and they were basically like, "Nah, this is what it is." And he's like,
"Dude, I couldn't even use the facilities because, like, you—it's all like eighty percent
under construction." Yeah, the pool was shut down. Remember, the pool was down. Like it was, yeah.
They they had the AC unit fall on people in the pool, and it was like, yeah, yes, yes, yeah.
But that was after we left. No, we weren't there when that happened, right? Yeah, was it before?
It was before. That's why it was shut down. That—that's why there was no pool. Well, the indoor
and also indoor that that like cool rock bar, like we couldn't access any of that middle stuff. Um.
So it was kind of a shit show, but but I agree the the you know the spot is still very nice,
but I think he burned that bridge with kerosene. I don't think I don't think that's coming back.
Yeah, I don't. I look videos. I do remember he did burn that bridge. You burned it, baby.
That hummer, that hummer diff. Like I do look at it like you know if if you're thinking
like you've had success, you know, and I'm not saying like you know some band right they make it,
you know, they've always played this one show or one venue. And typically now they're doing arenas
or something, right? Would they go back to that? You know, maybe, maybe not. Mostly, you know. So
when you think about it from that point of view, maybe that's the way. That's ego.
That's not good for business. It's not how business works. Well, and I think
they're also expanding outside of you know just Cardano, right? And they've been doing that.
They started that last year, and they definitely were doing it this year.
There's quite a few speakers. Well, because you have to blackjack, not because you want to. Well,
no, you absolutely have to. You need to. You need to have a larger audience. Grow
because you have to. Like if you're gonna have like a ten thousand people event,
it's because you're gonna you have twenty thousand people trying to get in. You know, like yeah,
yeah. So definitely. Speaking of twenty thousand people trying to get in, Jenny,
can you send me the password to the to the email? I will. You guys crack me up.
Like Christina's like, hey, you start the show. I'm all, I don't have the password anymore.
I'm not even on there anymore. I can't even sign on. I'm like, goddamn it, yeah. So that point,
which, which by the way, guys, it's just a good way, a good moment to to call to action
for the Wednesday spot. You know, I'm no longer posting, and there's a little hole in there
that needs to be filled there by you. There's a hole. Can someone send me the password?
This is send Phil the password. Oh man, that would shake things up to the Cardano
over Coffee Twitter account. I'm supposed to host next week, but I just I forgot the password. Yeah,
our onboarding specialists will be reaching out. Get Phil in there. What would we talk about, Phil?
Would you read the Cardano Foundation FAQ like you were doing a week ago or whatever?
I didn't even know what was going on in there. It was like you're just reading out of like a book
or something. I'm like, what are you even doing? You know? Oh, that's one of my favorite pastimes
is reading the Cardano Foundation FAQ. He cracked me up, but I jumped into that. I was like,
"What is this? What is going on right now? Why is he doing that? You know, what is he reading?
I didn't even know what the hell you were reading. It was just okay, guys.
I'm happy to report that I found the main changes to the Intersect bylaws.
The first one is one member, one vote. The second one is one personal membership.
The third one is election protection. Hold on, hold on. Why do why do you pronounce the R
in membership but not in member? It's member, but then it's membership.
I don't understand how you can have member. Shut up. Shut up. That's a great question.
The fourth one is executive director authority. Now this is the one I want you guys to hear. Oh boy.
The executive director can temporarily suspend membership rights or account access
to protect elections or the organization. The board must be informed within five business days,
and the measure normally expires within sixty days, unless the board extends it. Well,
I this is like the weakest, the weakest authority ever. I don't understand. You can't.
You're the you're the executive, but you can't even ban like an astroturfing bot or something.
You have to to to ban a single bot. You have to within five days plead your case to the board.
Holy crap! Well, no, you can do it immediately. I just want to do it, Phil. That's yeah,
you can do it, but then you have to afterwards in the next five days plead your case about
why you banned fake account number zero one zero zero. Yep, this is not a job that
I would ever want. Well, this is like the worst. It's the limit control. That's supposed to show
how tightly like governed Intersect is by the board. People don't think it is, but it really is.
Yeah, I mean, this is like a really bad. That's a bad relationship as an executive is.
When you when you do not trust your executive, you have some problems because it's not
about trusting executive. It has nothing to do with trust. I was actually a part of this group,
the working group that put most of this together, and it's not about trust.
It's about that you don't necessarily have to give unilateral trust to anybody.
You're going to give them authority to be able to do something that would make sense
at that specific time without having to get a consensus of a multiple amount of people
while someone's doing something egregious to the MBO or you know something else,
whatever it is that they're doing. Right, so you need to give them unilateral authority. Yeah,
but you know, this is this is the board running the company, right? This is what Jenny is saying:
is that most companies are not run by the board. Most companies are run by executives,
and the board steps in as an oversight mechanism. If the exact this is a a demonstration that it's
the opposite here. It's the real authority is with the board. And it's imbued to the like they're
they're like watching the they're like babysitting the executive, right?
So I'm not arguing that part at all. What I'm saying is, is that it's baby steps to in order
to usurp control, and you can't do it all at once, or people get alarmed. You know,
so in order to usurp control, it happens over a period of time. You can think of it maybe even
as a glacier. You know, the U.S. Government's been doing that and usurping control of its citizens
for and its constitutional rights forever. So you know, and they've done a really good job of it,
really. So I think Cardano. Right, so Cardano decentralized so much faster than the board has like
given power to. The executives have intersected. To be honest, it's kind of funny. Well,
then you got to run. Wonder like within the board how that's you know because there's a hierarchy
there as well, you know, and so that's changing though, and there are those who you know obviously
Emergo Nikhil's. Well, especially like the board was like mostly appointed
until like we recently had like you know a couple people added. So yeah, right in the beginning,
yeah, yeah, we got to. I mean, come on, we got the the CEO. The very least of their authority
should be you can ban fake. Accounts that are like trying to harass the voting system.
If I was that CEO, I would be so like. Imagine writing a report for like.
There's like a hundred fake accounts that just register to like vote for something,
and you have to write like a massive report to the board and be like, "Please, Daddy,
can you please not be upset with me? I voted. I I used my my temporary authority to remove
these hundred hundred bot accounts." And let me remind you, in order for us to be able to vote on
those bylaws, which is why it's important to vote on this stuff. The board
most likely had to approve those to even go out to vote. Yes, that happens definitely,
and that means there were probably a lot of things that got pushed back
and didn't make it for for voting because the board didn't want them. So actually,
I'll I'll push back there. Most of the suggestions that we made, most of the changes that we made to
the bylaws, actually got approved. So there, there. I don't, I don't believe
there was anything really that the board said. No, we're not doing that. I don't know.
You just said most. You just said most as a very important qualifier, like three times. Yeah,
which makes me, which gives me a sense that yeah, something got about it. Language field.
You have to understand the man. Come on. The majority. So blog. What was not approved? Tell us.
I don't know. I'd have to look it up, and I'm not going to do that right now. Today's my day off,
and I'm not doing it, Marine. What didn't get approved was allow Jack to have a lunch break
without messaging Dad, without notifying the board. You must, Dad. Yeah,
you must notify the board within two hours of your lunch break and bathroom breaks daily.
I think if they had like, there should be something. If I'm writing to the board within 24 hours,
it should say yes. Otherwise, they should fuck off. Because can we get these?
I want these notifications to be on the blockchain. You know, like let's see a let's see
a transaction with some metadata that says you are now informed. Jack would like to take
a lunch break in the next two hours. Everything on the Cardano blockchain. You guys are dumb.
And then Cardano's finality, like there's like a a slowdown or whatever. He's just like stuck,
like starving himself. It's like three p.m. He's like, please guys, please.
My transaction's not going through. So do we have a vacancy on that board now?
Is that going to be filled up? What's the plan? We do have a vacancy right now. And originally,
like so, for Steve when he was out because he was sick right before he passed,
Cavindo was the original interim, and then Jer took it over, which is the CEO, COO of IO,
and he managed it for a while, and now it's a bit up in the air. The whole thing that's going on.
It looks as though so no, are you are you going to do it? No, so there's lockjaw for board.
Now there's two community board seats are going to be available, and it looks as though Adam
and Kavindra are going to rerun. There are other you can you can run for a board seat,
but outside of that, that vacancy that was an appointed position is not going to turn into
a voted position. The Amurga one—that's the thing that they're talking about right now.
They're not sure. I mean, we have okay, we have two, I guess, because we have the Amurga
because we're by buyers. They're gone. Yep. And then we have the president who passed away.
So doesn't that make it two? Yes, Steve. Obviously, yes, and then Amargo, yes. So you've got two.
So are they going to be replaced by voted like community positions,
or are they going to be appointed? Do we know what? Well, one was the Wyoming. So what is it? It's
the Wyoming College. Forgetting that. So they they get to they get to elect their own person
from the Wyoming. Yeah, typically that's the way, and that's the way they would like to get
another person from the Wyoming College, and I forget the college. I'm sorry.
That would be then appointed again. So that's the way they'd like to keep it. So I'm not sure.
That's the way Charles designed it. You know, or sorry, Charles. Oh, I have a question. My bad.
Yeah, go ahead. Why didn't I see Phil at Rare Evo? What happened? That's a great question.
I want to know that as well. Because I think. Why are you shaking? I think we would have had
a great time. Oh my god. Yeah, I would have loved to go. I mean, I was I've been busy, man. Okay.
Exactly what I said. My my like ninety percent of the work I do is like security related,
and AI has just made my life a nightmare. It's just not not a good time to to have to worry about
security. Use Claude to fight the people who are using Claude to try and exploit it. Oh yeah,
I mean like just spending infinite amounts of money on every single model
because you just got to use all of it's a nightmare, man. It is, yeah.
I don't want to talk about it because it's depressing. But, but yeah, I I've seen like,
like the teams that I'm working on, the AI costs have totally ballooned.
Like the moment that Fable came out, everybody rushed to use Fable, and now like the AI costs
are like 10x what they were when we were just on Opus. And I don't know,
like it's tough to use a lesser model, so to speak. But I gotta wonder if we're not hitting
diminishing returns here. Um. Yeah, this is something I talk about a lot. Like the Luna,
ChatGPT is Luna. After the eighty percent price reduction, there is like a like the crypto space.
It reflects itself in AI. The concept of FOMO is just like people feel like they want
the smartest model and the most expensive model, and they're like, okay, I must smart is good,
and so if the smart model costs me a hundred dollars for one hour of work,
and the slightly less smart model costs me one dollar for one hour of work. I must pay the $100,
and it's like okay, but you you have a finite budget, and so you can either pay for
less intelligence and like a thousand hours of work, or more intelligence
and like ten hours of work. Like one of those is the better option. We had I set a limit
of $750 monthly spend on extra usage, and I was like, this is the limit for now.
And I got an alert like two two days ago. It was like August fourth, and we we had hit the limit
four days into the month. And I was like, holy shit! I had to like message people
and tell them about like not maybe using extra high think for a fucking second. But um,
you got to really just buy buy more subscriptions. Never pay extra usage.
I just tell people to suffer. They're like, oh, but I hate switching accounts. I'm like, no,
you will switch your account. You'll switch your account five times. We switch between Claude
and Codex depending on the credit situation. No, no, I mean you got to buy like
five Claude subscrib. Like instead of paying 750. On extra usage, just buy them
three two hundred dollar subscriptions. Oh, that oh my god! I don't want to manage that.
We have one minute until. We have one actually. A hand is up. A hand is up though.
Jenny has her hand. She's she's in the Coldplay concert right now. Okay, Jenny. I love that. Um, no,
yeah, just just check your models, people. Like just talking about that because a lot
of people just don't realize they're using this like super duper engine that I need for.
I actually created my own little my own my own little app to help me identify what the best AI model
was for the task that I was going to do to get myself used to it to like not use resources
I don't need to. So it's on my GitHub if you want to use it. Um. So I wanted to print.
I printed up at the top a little thing that I um. I guess it's like three three things.
Because now we have the guest stuff pinned up at the top, but it's just a little thing I wrote.
We've we've talked about all this like business and and projects here for a long time,
so I have a little more time on my hands, and I've been writing more. So I just wrote
a little article. If you want to check it out, I would like to hear your thoughts.
So I pinned it up at the top. That's it. Back to the guest now, Marine. Thanks, Jenny. Alex,
I see you have your hand up, so you have exactly thirty seconds. Okay, this is for Epoch and Phil.
Are people really, really, really, really needing these frontier models for what they're building?
Are they just token maxing for bragging rights? I have trouble believing everyone needs
the frontier model all the time when these next one down will sufficiently do. I think yeah,
that's what I was saying is people will be like, oh, I need to add a button to my web app,
so I'm going to pay ten dollars of Fable usage, and it's like, no,
you probably don't need to do that. Right. Like there is a FOMO, right? It's like crypto.
It's like people are like, oh, but if I if I don't use the smartest model, my button will not look.
Perfectly positioned and have the right hue, and it's like no, maybe yeah.
That's a it's just being stupid and making bad choices. No, I think it is phone.
It's it's like wanting to use the latest cool thing, you know, like oh,
everyone's using this cool thing, I want to use it. Um, and and you know, there's
different people in the company, obviously, that have different needs.
Like we have a blockchain systems lead, and he's the one murdering the Fable tokens
because he's working on like some complex like relay or orchestrator smart contract stuff.
And he's like, "Well, shit! Like, I want it to be the right answer." So he's, you know,
on Fable extra high. But then I also have like the website designer on Fable, being like, "Yo,
I just spent 150 in extra usage so that I could like change the CSS." And I'm like, "Bitch,
you sonnet! Like, what are you doing?" So I don't know. That's enough. Sorry, Alex. That's enough.
Alex is actually one of the non-technical contributors to Akin. That's pretty cool.
And the AI VP started coming in, making real contributions. So, thank you for your hard work, Alex.
Appreciate it. Plus, I'm glad to help. So, sorry for keeping our guest waiting. Tipsy,
are you there? Yeah. Make it big. I know. No, I'm here. I'm here. I was just chilling,
just kind of listening to everybody. Feel it's actually good to see you, man.
We should get in touch again. I don't know if you recognize the voice, but it's Jim. I do, I do,
actually, I do. Here we go. Here we go. Jeez, guys, get a room. I was before I heard you talk.
I was about to say, I'm gonna report you for drinking underage because that that turtle
doesn't look 21. But then when when I heard your voice, I was like, oh, I know this man.
That's okay. You get the pass. Turtle doesn't look 21. That's cute. Yeah, man,
it's it's your friendly neighborhood Jamaican. But Morin, talk to me, man. What's up?
Happy to be here, guys. Happy to be chatting. I've been listening to the discussion.
Been contributing as we go. Would love to talk about in terms of what we got going on. Okay, so, um,
everyone, please retweet the room. Uh, as we talk to our guests, uh, the team
behind Tipsy Turtles—it's a project that is creating original cartoons. I think that's amazing. Um,
so let's just start a little bit with what you guys are doing. Uh, welcome to Caranova Coffee.
Tell us who you are. Who are you, Tipsy Turtles, and how did this animated adventure begin?
GM GM everybody. So you're currently speaking to Jamian Jones. I run a company called Yard Labs,
and early in the early days, when we were looking at blockchain technology,
we looked at it from first principles to say, all right, how can we, let's say,
experiment with the technology to like solve problems? And one of the things that we said to
ourselves was, I'm friends with a lot of creatives, like a lot of guys. I'm a hobbyist co-writer,
so I work with like a lot of illustrators and animators. They have like an issue wherein, let's say,
they make their creative works. If they want to monetize it. The option to, let's say,
distribute it themselves and do something cool doesn't really exist for them.
So they typically have to work for an agency that, you know, is, let's say,
mainly a marketing agency. And as a part of, let's say, that marketing agency suite of products,
maybe creative works like illustration and animation forms part of their offering.
So a lot of creatives they don't get to do like what they want to do for a living. So
when I first saw You know, NFTs, for example. What came to mind was, okay, this is a new way to
both distribute and monetize media, and I could solve a bunch of problems simultaneously. One,
and this is like, you know, how I'd like sell a lot of creatives back in the day.
When you know Picasso's estate sells like an art piece to somebody in Cuba,
and that person in Cuba sells it to somebody in the U.S., there's no way to let's say track
when that thing moves hands, and then to like go on to enforce a royalty. So I'm like, wow,
like technologically, what this enabled, it solved like a real problem,
and then it also from like a creative standpoint. So not only let's say the artist,
but let's say you're a creative, just kind of like looking for new ways,
like the new canvas so to speak, to like you know distribute your artwork.
The community orientation of the technology also provided a way for you to like kind of use it
as an outlet to not only, uh, you know, do the work, but to distribute it and monetize it.
So we said, you know, just like how Pokemon goes about like monetizing like its IP,
like they made you fall in love with a character and then they sold their trading card. We said,
all right, what if we ran an experiment where we made cartoons for the ecosystem that we want to be
a part of? You know, would you guys be interested in in buying the main character as a means
for us to keep the work going? So that's what we did. To some success, like
when we did the initial mint, like we sold out for a small amount,
about forty thousand USD thereabouts, and that was enough to like get the project going.
So we did like thirty-six episodes of animated content for Cardano. I pinned it to the space.
We also did like an animated short movie, like towards the end of the year last last last year.
It was a parodied version of Cardano's roadmap from Charles's perspective.
We brought in an AI voice actor, so the the voice actually sounds like Charles.
If you guys are interested in seeing what that looks like, it's also pinned to the space. And then,
like we kind of hear, it's like next chapter. So, in the interim, like in the present day,
what we're trying to do is to, and this is funny enough, as like a part of a suggestion
from the current of our coffee crew, particularly Jenny, and I think Eepak, and I think Jonah,
last December. You guys had suggested that we do like an auction. So as we like release content,
we take snippets, like the best parts from like the show, and try to sell them to the persons
watching. So for example, in that first part of the animated short movie,
there's a little clip of Charles with like a stamp on his butt crack that says "Cattle Daddy.
" He actually commented on the episode itself too. So we made that into an NFT,
and we're currently auctioning it in a way to kind of support like keeping the series going.
We've actually like spent like a little while in stealth, kind of like building up
like a content library. So we have 52 episodes for season two that we're about to start releasing in
about two weeks' time. So like that's like a quick summary on the creative side and like
how we got into it and you know what we're up to right now. Wow, that's a that's interesting.
That's really really interesting. So what are some of the characters like?
Do you have any characters already? What are some of the characters? Yeah, for sure. So what we did,
you know, like we tried to make it so that we would bring everybody into the fold.
So let's say you like claymates, or you like a personality. Charles is in the show. If you like,
if you like, let's say, funny enough, JPEG Studios old hippo character.
When they said that they never gave it utility, I'm like, ah, maybe this is an opportunity
to kind of like do something with it. So like a lot of, let's say, Carano native IP.
Like a lot of the collections that we own and supported over the years. Like in a wallet,
that's pretty much a graveyard, graveyard right now. We brought those characters to life,
gave them personalities. So, like, if you watch the show, it's actually about like our native IP,
Tony, the Tipsy Turtle, interacting with like different characters throughout the ecosystem. So,
Chill Kong's, Wild Tang, Space Budds, Foot Buddies. If you guys are OGs from back in the days
when Coco, Coco, Rug, there and there as well, Yummy Universe, like basically almost like all
of your favorite collectibles, it's involved in the series in some way, shape, or form. Okay,
so if I'm understanding correctly. You started because you had this idea that you can use blockchain
to help creatives distribute and monetize their work. So now that you've produced 36 episodes,
am I right? And a short film. What is that? What What's something I I'm curious what you learned
and how this new auction is going to improve from the original model. Well,
the to be honest with you, like the consensus so far is that I mean it worked a little,
but not anywhere near the levels that we had initially hoped. So, like,
is the if the question is does it work at all? The answer is yes. If the question is like,
has it worked in a sustainable way? Like, the answer is so far no. But for me, like,
how I see entrepreneurship is if you have a pivot that you believe in, like,
if you still have ideas that you believe in, there's no need to pivot just yet.
If you don't have ideas that you believe will work. It's at that point that you pivot.
So right now we're still running the gamut of okay, the community suggested things to us.
If this is the way that we can kind of find like that sustainable route to kind of like keep going,
then like that's what we'll pursue. But if not, you know, just like
unfortunately many other projects, we'd have to like close down. So the moment like I have an idea
that I don't believe in, or I don't have any more ideas that I believe in to kind of try to see
if okay this is like something that you know we should pursue, then at that moment is
when we pack up shop. But for now. We still have ideas that we're trying to explore,
so it's up to the community to kind of see if, like, all right, does this actually have like a place
amongst, like, you know, the hearts and minds of community members? So let's see.
That's one of the reasons why I actually wanted to do this space. I wanted to see if you guys,
you know, what you guys think of, you know, what the show is, what we're trying to do, and you know,
if the auction is something you'd support. Hmm. That's uh okay. Uh, I have another question. Um,
I wanted to know, like, maybe you can uh walk us through the child's clip, which is being auctioned,
like, um, and then show us how someone can bid on it. And and also, what what what do I receive
if I win a bid? What exactly do I receive? All right, let's take it step by step. So I know.
All right, so here's my view, right? And I know maybe not many people kind of like think of life
through this lens. I like to be like honest and forward, so like I'm I'm hopeful,
but like I'm hopeful like within like a vacuum. Like, is this a thing that people want?
And I know like for many people they kind of like try try to skirt around it
and that kind of a thing, but we believe in trying to do things. So it making stuff
like creative works is like a passion of mine, like and my team, but it's always like a case
of you know you don't necessarily unless you want to do purely on the hobby side.
It's not necessarily something that you want to say. All right, let's like put like a lot
of resources into. It's more like okay, you do it occasionally type of thing. So if it
if it sounded like man, it's just more of I genuinely want feedback from people and like.
Kardanov Cafe, I'm very grateful for you guys. This is probably one of like a few running forums
that like kind of like allow you the chance to like speak directly to the community in a way
that's not gate kept in. Some like weird way, but yeah, just just the preamble.
So to answer your question, now we can actually do something you know fun, Marine. I'd love for you.
So I pinned it to the space. Here's what you could do for me. Like if you could just maybe watch
just the first minute of the animated content and kind of like give people
like the play-by-play of what you're seeing, then we can go into like what's being auctioned.
But just to give like the audience like a quick summary, when you watch the animated
short series that's based on Charles's perspective, a parodied version of the Carolina Roadmap.
Like the thing that people commented on the most, I think this particular episode,
I think got like 300 likes and a couple tens of thousands of impressions. Charles himself commented.
One of the the scenes that stood out was the scene where he walks off with the cows
and like you see the cattle that he tramp stamp tramp stamp right above his butt cheeks.
So like people like that scene. So what we did was like we took like a screenshot of it,
made it an NFT a memento. So it's not something Like this particular NFT collection,
it's not necessarily like utilitarian. It's just a memento of a moment that people liked.
So it's just a it's just to kind of see like if you like it enough to be able to like purchase
the NFT type of thing as like a keepsake. But if you are interested in utility,
there is something that we're exploring like with the main collection. So again, like you know,
what we do at Yard Labs, we kind of like run experiments with the technology.
One of the things that we liked is so we've been like blessed to be recipients
of several like grants, not only within the Cardano ecosystem, but from the Jamaican government,
the Development Bank of Jamaica in particular, UNESCO, Creative Caribbean, and others.
What we noticed was that there, if you guys hate catalysts, like you would have hated this. It took.
Let's say we won it in December of 2023. We didn't get our first disbursement until the end of 2024.
So like, there's a lot of Paperwork. The grant actually lasted, let's say, two and a half years.
There's a lot of, in Jamaica, we call it, things fall off the desk. So it's not
a streamlined process. So one of the things we said to ourselves is, what
if we created like a grant system that's managed by smart contracts? Now it's
all right to kind of like have like a high-level idea, but how do you apply it in a way
that Let's say tells a story and has like a shot at being something unique and that can scale.
So we came up with something that we call Tripod. So if you watch the show, like it's mainly Tony
and Ted, the Tipsy Turtle, interacting with with other characters across the ecosystem on the beach,
drinking, having fun. It's kind of like an Easter egg or a foreshadowing of what's to come.
So Tripod is like a travel club that sends its members on freer, discounted vacations using
a combination of community-owned resources and third-party partnerships.
So we're actually working with. We've been in talks with them for a while now.
They're just waiting on us to ship. With a quasi-government agency that's interested in sponsoring
the first set of travel grants, because as you guys likely know, a lot of tourist boards
want to see people, especially people with influence, visit, you know, their respective countries,
take pictures to kind of like form a part of, let's say, their marketing bucket to encourage
other people to visit whichever jurisdiction. So we have the idea that similar to how
Project Catalyst works, Maureen, like if you've never left Africa before
and you'd love to see what the Caribbean looks like, you would submit like a travel
a travel request, and like you can only do that by holding an NFT from our collection.
It's your membership pass. You'd submit a travel request to the community.
If the community decides to vote on your travel request, and you get the most votes
for that given period, you'd get a grant, a vacation grant of up to 1,800 USD.
So part of that goes to an independent travel agent, and the rest of it goes directly to your wallet
as pocket money for when you're at. So we said to ourselves, that's another cool experiment that
we could kind of like attach to the project to see if it works. So at a high level,
that's the utilitarian component. But just to come back to like present day,
like what we're actually working on now, I love for you guys, even those listening,
just to kind of like watch the show, and then like click the auction button on the other thing that
I pinned, just to kind of see the different NFTs that are there. But Maureen, give me your thoughts,
man. I don't know if you you checked out the show. Let me know what you think.
I I listened to it for a bit, but I couldn't listen while talking to you or listening to you,
so I only played played like the first uh two seconds, and I heard Charles's voice and hello there,
I'm Charles. And but but I am curious, how did you you did you use his exact voice?
Are those his exact words? And how did you realize? I thought it was fun. Ah, I'm glad to hear, man.
Like we we we got an AI voice actor, so it's not actually well. It's think of it
as Charles has like a lot of you know YouTube videos that he's been doing like from over the years,
so it's just about said everything. So it's just about like kind of like scraping the things
from the internet, and Charles is big on like I think Creative Commons
is one of like the license he put like his own you know image under, so he allows
for like people to kind of like you know use his like you know likeness in content.
So we had like an AI voice actor come in and like he did like a pull from
all the years of content that he did. He did like his own to set up, design like his own to model,
put like the different clips through it, and then we got Charles to say the things that were in
our script. So like at the high level, you know that's how it worked and that's what we did.
So that's why it sounds like him, but it's not necessarily his actual voice. It's an AI voice,
a bespoke model imitating his voice. That's awesome. I don't know if anyone has tried it as well,
and they have any feedback. Anyone? Okay, I think it's just us. So yeah,
I I I would definitely watch it. Not again, obviously. I haven't watched all of it. I can't,
but I like the I like the the concept. I think it's really awesome. And you you've been very honest
about the project not yet reaching a sustainable level. I think that's great. Um,
I wish all founders were that honest. So what specific support or should I say response
from the community would Demonstrate to you that you know Tipsy Turtles has a viable future,
and you're gonna continue producing new content. So, to be honest with you, all right. So, people,
when people, you always hear, let's say VCs and you know all the entrepreneurs always talk about
getting feedback from users. One of the problems that you'll find is like you know majority
of people tend to try to be really nice, so you you tend not to get like actual actual feedback. Um.
So the biggest thing we're actually looking for is you know after. You know, doing things like this,
kind of like getting you know more eyeballs on the project, so to speak.
If we actually see people bidding, then that's the feedback that we need.
Because you can like something, but you might not like something enough to support it.
Or you could just be nice enough to not want to like, let's say, give critical feedback
to kind of like help a project kind of like do the thing that would get you to support.
So it's you're in that feedback loop of trying to listen to people, trying to do something
to then see if they'll be able to like take that next action. So for us, that next action is okay.
Will you place like a bid on the NFTs of the show that you said you liked? If not,
then I guess that's the true kind of telltale. But for us, we've already produced
fifty-two episodes. We already promised that, so we're still going to ship and deliver.
We still want to kind of run the experiment to see if, like, tripod could be the utilitarian aspect
to kind of get get people like really interested in the collection as opposed to the creative side.
And if those two experiments fail, then like we'd know that okay, all right,
what we've done is just not you know viable. But it's all about giving it a fair chance to see
if it will actually work. That's wonderful. Does anybody have any questions? You're the speaker,
and you have a question. Feel free to come up and ask. Yeah, I'm on. I got a question. Yeah. Okay,
Chad. With midnight coming out and zk, you know, zero knowledge of ownership of NFTs, you know,
for private ownership, people that aren't aren't trying to have it. Where do you think Tipsy Turtles
falls into this? Do you think you guys will be able to do zk, you know,
hiding of the of your NFTs on midnight? And what do you think about that? You know,
that's actually a good question. It's something that we've been considering. All right,
I'm going to. So, like, there are two parts to the answer. In terms of, like,
what we've honestly discussed amongst ourselves is as follows: that man, it would be really cool to,
like, do a cartoon that's staged in Midnight City, that you know, let's say,
make use makes use of a lot of the the avatars that you know the Midnight City
team have created for the community, like, kind of like getting everybody's let's say characters
involved in the world, some way or shape or form. And then trying to run the experiment again.
There's also been talks about like launching an NFT collection where there are hidden messages
for each individual holders, just kind of like based on let's say an NFT that they bought to support
their character. So like there's been. So we've spoken about it like internally a lot,
but I'll tell you the truth, man. It's like you're kind of at the the crossroads
where you you want like a good signal first before you take that next step because we've sunk a lot
of time and resources into it, and if it's a case where it's just not working.
We wouldn't want it to be the case where it just not work. Like if we try to move elsewhere,
and in truth, like a lot of the midnight community is like you know the Cardano community.
So there's a high chance that it might be the same outcome. Like if things don't change.
So we're not committing to doing it. We might do a little like light experiment to see like what
if maybe being the first midnight NFT collection would be enough to kind of like get people
like interested. But I can't say that it's solid in the roadmap. I can just say that there's
enough interest to maybe try one small project, and if it doesn't work out,
we just it's the same thing as what's happening right now. So yeah, that's that's that's what
I'd have to say. I don't know if that answers your question, man. Let me know. It would be cool,
but it's just like if the community be really interested in it. That's that's what we need to find
out. So apart from the numbers, I know when we talk about interest, it's always numbers. Like
how many people are doing this kind of thing. What is it? Do you have a number in mind,
or is it just you know when you know you know kind of thing? That's a good question. So, alright,
for us, there's a small number. If we can see, like, and this is genuinely because a lot of again,
like, this is in part like a hobbyist thing. It's to then see if we could forego like. A dream of,
let's say, doing something bigger with it, and then just to continuously do something small,
and like there's a baseline level of funding. It's not even a lot. It's about thirty thousand USD.
Like if we can see that on a yearly basis, it's like, you know, we love creating enough
to kind of like continue doing that. So it's not a case where it's life change or anything,
but it's just enough to kind of like keep part timers interested in like using the talents
to kind of like do something cool. Um, so that's like the small number. The bigger number,
we don't let's say like have a number in mind, but it's more that moment
where you don't have to do much. It's kind of like a A self-evolving thing.
Like people are just genuinely interested in the thing and talking about it.
Then you kind of know if like you have product market fit. It's a case where you're not doing a lot
of push. People are just like genuinely interested in the things that you're making.
So then it becomes like an easier thing to say. All right, let me pursue this further. I have
enough traction. Can I go to Red Stripe and say, all right, can you? We have like a lot of beer
in the content. Can this be your beer bottle? All right, there's enough traction.
Can we talk to the guys that we help? You know, with distribution for like Netflix
and Hulu out here in the Caribbean, can like this be a show that like gets on
like their streaming platforms? Without like that kind of like traction, where there's
genuine interest from the community, that you don't have to, let's say, force.
That's kind of like the story to know if like there's something that you could build that becomes
bigger from it. I don't know if that answers your question, Martin. Yes, yes, absolutely. Thank you,
Jenny. I know you have your hand up. Yeah, thank you, Marine. Um, I have my hand up.
There's so many things I I could talk about, but I'm just gonna I'm I'm just gonna focus right now
on something that I I hear you say a lot, right? Um, I hear I hear you ask a lot that
you're trying to see if the community has interest in this, but it's not really clear to me what
you mean with that, right? So I think asking whether the community is interested
might give you encouraging answers, without really helping you build your business.
So most people will say they like the animation, they support Jamaican artists,
or I think Toronto needs more culture. But that that's really is that really telling you what
they value, which they value enough to watch consistently, to share, to fund, to buy.
I think you need to define what kind of interest you're really testing.
So are you know are people interested enough to watch complete episodes?
Are people Can we just kind of take it back to like the roots and like what external problems
are you trying to solve? Is this to help Jamaican artists? Is this to bring culture back?
All of the above. What what exactly are you trying to achieve as the external problem?
And then we can just kind of start from there. So the external problem is is two ways. So,
all right, from the Cardano community standpoint, it would be to preserve culture,
and then from like a Caribbean artist standpoint, it would be to work on projects that
you think are cool, um, where you could like use your talent and it sustains you,
as opposed to let's say doing client work. So you're contributing to like IP that like forms
a story. So it's two ends. It's like trying to be like a cultural preservation arm
for Cardano to kind of like have like that means for distribution, and then it works for us as well,
like on the backend. Because that means if we're solving like a community's problem,
hopefully that means that we'd be able to like sustain the creative works. Um,
so that's what I'd say to that. And then for the signal that you're asking for,
just to like make it clear, it's if people like it enough to like support the project
by buying something. Like that's the big deal. Like, but like it enough is where I'm trying to get
you to understand that it's not very clear. Like it enough. Like it. What is it? Uh, so the show,
the shows, the content to support the show by by purchasing the NFTs. Okay, um. So let me ask you.
Just kind of like rephrase the question, I guess. What is the community
just to kind of help really like get to the real, you know, addressing of the problem,
so people can connect, you know, because sometimes you know, well, sometimes no, like in reality,
people kind of um react more to like what they're going to lose rather than to win. So
why would people, the community, by the way, uh, the community are going to lose
if they Don't partake in this journey. Like, what's at stake? You know, like
if if people don't see the urgency in buying the NFTs, for example, and maybe yeah,
we like the we we like the animation, but you definitely need more than that.
So what what's at stake? What exactly is it that that you want people to to connect with
that they're gonna lose, they're gonna miss, and then if they don't join,
and then the the call to action also we need to kind of work on it because. Like I said,
if they like it enough to support it, it's just not—it's not fully clear.
And I'm just really trying to help you here, um, and and and the best way possible.
And then a medium, you know, we could definitely sit down and have a deeper discussion on this.
But I don't know if that makes any sense to you, you know? Yeah, it kind of does.
But maybe you could help me a little more, Jenny. So, like, you know what we're trying to do in
terms of, so we made the animated short movie. It's a thing where the thing that you lose, like,
we'd continue making the show, but at some point. The show might not continue on, like
if people aren't, you know, interested enough to support, like, with their Ada.
So I'll I'll put it to you, Jenny. Like, we've done the animated short movie.
We're saying now that hey, you can buy like the NFT to support us, like, making more.
What would prevent you from, let's say, supporting the NFT collection?
Is it that like you don't like the animated movies enough to continue to want to continue seeing
them make it, like? I think that's the way to kind of maybe get to like the heart of it
because we we aren't sure we have theories but like we want to hear from the community.
So what's preventing? There is like a there is a fund that that people wanted to to help support
this initiative right at one point. One more time, Jenny sir. Uh, didn't okay?
You didn't you go to like Catalyst? Am I like wrong with that? Did you go through Catalyst?
And you get so the community wanted to support the making of this right? Yeah, the movie itself.
So they wanted to support the movie itself. And they did support us in Catalyst,
but like it's a case of all right, we're doing season three now; it's fifty-two episodes,
and then to like sorry, season two, um, to like then take the next step. So we've done the movie,
so that's what Catalyst supported. We're doing this new thing now
of like to continue doing animations. Like, would you support the show like directly?
So rather than support, rather than depending on Catalyst for a grant, like,
are the people watching the show interested in supporting us? Okay, so it's the movie is done,
and and this is the if the people weren't to support the movie and the movie was made,
I will I will say that should be your. Anchor. You should like try to get people to like. Hey,
you know, what did you like the movie? Here's the movie. Where are the screenings of movies?
We need to do more screenings of the movie. I guess that that's that will probably be a good way
to connect people with. You know, we funded this, and it's a fun movie, right? So
why would we want to see moving forward? Do we want more of this stuff? Is this preserving culture?
Because again, it's kind of like I think we talked about this, like the whole South Park thing,
right? If you want to have something like, in in, you know, kind of like this realm of capturing
pop culture, right? You're gonna have to move faster, right? So that's something that people,
if people want to see that, and in order for us to capture this faster, then we we need
continuous funding, right? Because if not, then you have you know, pop culture moves pretty quickly,
right? So I would say, yeah, I I don't know. I'm just trying to give you tips in the OG kind
of style and form of what Cardano Coffee was supposed to be for,
which it was to kind of give perspective on what you have to help you kind of get
different different ways of looking at it. Because you know that it's not going to tell you really
whether people like it or not. People not buying your NFT, and that's what I'm trying to say.
People not buying the NFT. If that happens, that's not really telling you that people don't like
what you're doing. So I want to kind of I I wanted I wanted to kind of address that
so you because you keep saying you want to see if people have interest in it
and I just don't think that that will like be a clear signal on that I think
that people might have it and they just don't know it and this particular signal won't be giving you
the answer to that question if if you know what I does that make sense? I follow, you know,
but like I think maybe to be honest, I think it's a bit of like a disagreement. So, for example,
I think if somebody's saying that they like something, like that's great.
If somebody like like something on Twitter, that's great too. Somebody retweets it,
that's great as well. But the reality is like you know, when you invest time
and effort into something, you'd want for there to do you like it enough to support us like
in a different way. And then for us, that's the signal because even like with doing things faster.
There's only so much you can do with like the amount of time that you have on your hands
with the people that are involved. If we want to go faster, like if we want to do things
like let's see, something happens today, Jenny, that was cool in the community,
and there's an animation about it. Like 30 minutes afterwards, that's a different level
of investment as opposed to all right, structuring it for the reality of like
where where the resources are right now. If that makes any sense, it's like,
does the community like this enough? It does. But let me just put it this way:
you scheduled a time in Coronado Coffee. Did you did you send money to the over coffee handle? Yeah,
I did. You did well. The majority of people don't. I'm just trying to say that, and then,
and then I'm not just to point something out. And it doesn't mean that they don't like
or support the show. They just don't see the urgency, the connection, that what could happen
if we don't support in this way, right? So I'm just trying to get you to understand that one thing
doesn't really necessarily mean the other, and sometimes it's
how to kind of like you position those two together, right? So just you know,
I think we agree more than you than you think. It's just um. Don't get discouraged.
Just trying to say, and just try to find a way to like communicate this
and get people to to clearly see what's at stake and communicate what's at stake
if they don't support, right? Because sometimes people don't realize that until it's gone, right?
It's it's actually more more likely for that to happen than not. It's just
you know it's unfortunate, but that's how humans we are, you know. That's why advertisement makes
so much money because if you're able to find a way to communicate that to people
before you have to shut down, that's a win, you know. It's it's not that easy, but you know. Well,
maybe Jenny, maybe Yana, can have like a call, cause I'd love to. To be honest, you know,
and like I sent you guys an email. I know you guys probably got like a lot of emails,
so it's missed. I've actually thought about it, cause I've I've been doing like a lot
of think thinking, just generally speaking, about like the state of the ecosystem,
its support for its content creators, its influencers, its space hosts,
and it it makes me sad generally when I see, let's say, Sender Network try to start something,
it doesn't get enough traction. When that consortium of influencers did like the treasury request
through Intersect, it doesn't get supported. You guys, even what you said, without you telling me,
like I know that a guest sending you guys Ada is far is a foreign concept.
I know that you guys probably don't. You have it there, like in the calendar,
but you're probably not used to it happening. I just know that you guys don't get supported,
just kind of like often, just kind of based on our own situation. There's just not much
of an appetite from what we've seen so far for the community to support like media
and creative efforts. So it's it's I know it's the state of the ecosystem. And to your point,
like maybe it's something that can change, like with comes, like what you lose,
like if it's no longer here. But to be honest, if if I must say as well, like I've even seen it,
like with even the block cross proposal, like they were pretty clear of what like you could lose,
um, if like you don't support it, and you know at the end of the day, a lot
of people didn't support it. Oh yeah, but that's how people do it, right?
And this is why people appeal to that at the end, and it backfires because people start instead
of knowing how to appeal to it the right way. In a in a, this is why this is
why advertising people people study this shit and know how to market things. They know
how to present that. Instead of as a last minute resort, when people are freaking out,
and then tell you we're gonna go away if this doesn't, and then that kind of like hits bad, right?
It doesn't really accomplish what people want to to accomplish. But that's a last resort.
People use it as a last resort, as opposed to ingrained it in in the message in in the right kind
of way. This is what I'm trying to get to. So I I know what you're saying. But it's not.
It doesn't work. I'm trying to tell the same people with the alpha thing,
like it don't doing at the last minute and saying like we're trying to save the ecosystem,
everything's gonna go to shit and scare people at the last minute to vote.
It's actually going to backfire in the end. But it's a last attempt because that does move people.
Like raising the stakes moves people, but it could be a tricky situation if you just throw it
as a threat at the last minute. It it's not gonna serve as well as when you put it in the message,
right? Proactively. So. You've given us good advice in the past. I'd love to make for
for us to have like a yeah. And just to be clear, you know, I'm not in Corona or coffee anymore.
I'm just like here as a guest too, but as as a speaker as well. But you know,
I just I know how much love and and work you put into this stuff.
I definitely would like to help you out and also like invite everybody in this room to to watch
this stuff. Like, there's a reason why we funded it is because it's pretty dope.
And I think that Carano needs culture, um, like like you know, we really need this kind of stuff.
We really do. Um, we just kind of gotta get better at at selling it, right?
That's that's all I'm trying to say. But I appreciate it. Sorry, guys, for hoarding the mic.
I see Block Joe has his hand up. Hey guys. So the main thing is, is so I went to the Discord.
Loved going through the setup, getting in there, figuring out whether or not I'm human or not,
and all the other stuff that goes along with that. I was hoping to see some snippets
of the actual video that I may be buying over on EndMaker. And then when I went to EndMaker,
it didn't allow me to kind of view the snippet beforehand, or at least some part of it, you know,
which would have been also kind of good. So this way, I know what I'm getting ahead of time,
you know. So These are just things I'm seeing and thinking out loud, you know,
having to do with with this particular subject. The other thing I would say is, is I kind of agree.
You actually were leading into it yourself with the response. What Jenny was talking about, in
that you know you're you're speaking to a very small market right now, I
and so if you pigeonhole yourself with specific titles and topics. That are built to
just you know for Cardano people, you're limiting you know the people that you could sell to
you know so others outside the ecosystem in crypto in general, like like you said adding Vitalik
in there if you're advertising slightly differently and throwing Vitalik in there
you should actually have Vitalik's image in there when it comes to the image of instead
of just Charles and the cattle daddy on on the top right you would actually include Vitalik in there
because it also includes Ethereum right so then Ethereum people might go oh that's kind of cool.
And maybe potentially be interested in it as well, you know. So you're opening up
to a wider market audience, what have you, when it comes to that particular thing.
That's really the only things I could see. Other than that, I'm sure it's very well written
and it's entertaining, and I look forward to potentially seeing some snippets of it
before I actually go ahead and make. Make a bid on, on the actual NFT. So,
so block that's actually something that I love to talk to you about, man. So, we
how it should work is when you go over to the auction page. I'm on it myself right now,
but I'm seeing like the snippets that we're selling. So I'm just trying to see, like, as a user,
when you go into the auction site, you're seeing like you're not seeing the different NFTs
you're building on. So like it's a snippet, right? Like, like does is it supposed to be a video
or just? It says snippet, so I thought I would actually get to click on it and see a snippet of,
but these are snippets of the total. The the film itself I mean the short film
so you're taking pieces of it turning it into an NFT and then I'm going to be able to see that is
that the way it's working because it's it's not easy to understand what I'm looking at it what I'm
what I'm getting got you so yeah it's just like a still so it's not like a video I see
NFT um it's more like like a an iconic clip from like segments of the movie itself.
I think a snippet will be more like a video. Isn't that like a still frame? Yes,
snippet's usually a video. Usually, but but what would be cool is is that if I were to bid on one
of these and get the NFT, I would also have access to the full short film. Ah, for sure.
So like when you do in the Discord server, there's a holders channel
where like you get to watch everything, the extended thing that you bought as well as
everything else that we released. But like you only get to watch like if you have the NFT
in your wallet. You got to have the NFT in the wallet when you go in there. Okay,
so those things need to be explained like right at the top for the live auction
and understanding it. You know, like I'm not much for reading FAQs, so you need to have
some little thing at the top, like you know, all NFTs will give you free access to you know in
our Discorded the the full short film or something like that. You know,
so I know when I go over there because literally I never read FAQ. I'm not sure about anybody else.
Whenever I start a new video game, whether it was before consoles and then after consoles,
I never read. The instructions for the game. I just learned how to play the game by doing it.
I call me lazy. I don't. Whatever you want to call me, but I never did it that way. So I always,
I always want it this way as well. So inform me a little bit when it comes to the Tipsy Turtle
on EndMaker, and then let me know what what I get for this outside of just getting the, you know,
somebody flipping somebody off. You know, some of the things are extraordinarily funny. You know,
when I'm looking at them, but you know, I need to have a slight bit of context of what I receive.
You know, so and what would be helpful is is a potential some advertising of the short film,
little pieces here and there of what to expect. You know, while you're on X socials.
That they could see. I understand that the reward is getting the NFT and then being able to view it
once you go over to the Discord. I understand all that, but you should be able to show just
like they show previews in movies all the time. You know, I see a preview and I'm like, oh,
that looks badass. You know, and I'm going to want to see that movie, right?
So the next thing you know, I'm thinking about that movie next. You know,
as I'm getting ready to watch that one, right? So, so anyway, so these are just things that
in top my mind that I'm seeing as if I were to think about getting something, why I would get it,
right? What makes me want to go get it? I appreciate the feedback, man. Thanks, Block.
Epoch has his hand up, and then Ken Eric. Yes, this is HR for Cock,
and I just wanted to notify Jenny that contractually she's obligated to be a senior advisor
for a two-year period. So it's not technically accurate that she's not affiliated,
but she is not a host. So, well, let's all congratulate Jenny on her newfound role
as senior Cock advisor, and we wish you the best of luck with the remaining two years of your term.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I know it. Definitely know it. You try to get out,
and they pull you back in. And Eric, what do you have for us? Oh, GM, GM, GM. I'm just,
just like poking around eggs, and then I see like Tipsy Turtles. Wait, I remember that.
I remember that. I've been in the Tipsy Bar at the Discord, and and the only way,
just want to put this record straight. You know, the only reason why I'm not holding putting out
a PFP is because someone. I'm not gonna mention any names. Overplay Nation probably gonna kill me.
Yeah, and And if I'm gonna have like tipsy tips and advice to you guys sitting here in a bar
in Norway, you should have like a tipsy turtle staking. So you stake your tipsy turtle,
and the reward will be drinks in a real Jamaican bar. Like yes, and and the reason why I bought
the tipsy turtle, um, I know a charity and turtles, but I to to be fair and honest here at
the Carano Oval Coffee on a Friday evening, it was because I have this dream of going to
a real Jamaican bar and get tipsy. Just want to get that out and um and careful here now.
I know Jenny, and when you start talking NFTs with her, she gets very serious
because she she had jumped into that rabbit hole. So yeah, otherwise I'm fine.
Hope everybody is joining their Friday. It's soon afternoon here in Norway,
and I'm going to the nightclub to chase some fiat. Can I ask you? Can is this is an maker?
Can you pay with a card too, or is this just? You said USD, USDM, but what are the forms of payment?
Can somebody pay with fiat? That's it. Only USDM. Yeah, only USDMR8 at the moment. Oh come on!
You can use Eternal and load with a card. We look into it, man. Say that again. Stake internal.
What you call it? Several, several. I think both Vesper and Internal have the possibility to add on
Ada with with the card. I'm not sure. Blackjack. Is it possible to buy USDM with the card on one
of those walls yet? You know, I'd have to check in on that, but I know they did did talk about that.
So, and that's up to the individual wallet as to whether or not they put that together.
But you know, it would then require them to have a more than likely a private vault
or something like that to do that. I, I, all I hearing you have some work to do. Like that,
you keep it. You're adding work to me right now. Thank you. Okay, guys. Sorry, sorry, Marine.
Box hand has has been up for some time. I don't know if we can can invite him up if he still has
a question before we. Who's Han? I don't see anyone's Han. Oh, he took it down. It was E. Park.
Yeah, it's all a bit like he took his hand on his phone. Oh, oh, I think no one has
any more questions. Okay, P is trying to come up. Maybe she has questions.
But I'm gonna try to connect a little later and get myself a snippet. All the best to you.
My mom's here to visit, so love you guys. Love you, Marine. Thanks, Jenny. Love you, Jenny.
Happy Friday. Hate you, Jenny. Okay, guys. Um, uh, Jamie, sorry. You're good, Jamie. Jamie,
can can you give us a call to action? Maybe for everyone listening. Yeah. For sure, man. So
if you guys aren't familiar with us, um, to get familiar with us, you can check out check out
the animated content we left in the the space here. Um, if you like what you see,
we'd love for you guys to support the show. Um, head on over to the platform that we built with
EndMaker. You can buy an NFT. Uh, all the NFT, all the proceeds from the NFT collections, you know,
goes to the creatives to support the making of more cartoons for Cardano. So
if you guys are game to support us, we'd love for you guys to support us in that way.
Happy to to be here. Thank you guys for listening and thank you for the support.
Thank you for coming. This was a nice conversation, and I hope to see you again. For sure, man.
For sure. Thank you for having me, Marine. Take care, everybody. Okay.
I think we only have a minute for banter, and I'm gonna hold on to that one minute because B just.
Oh, come on. Yeah, just one minute, guys. I have a life. That's not bantering, Maureen.
Where have you been for the past week? I haven't heard anything from you. Nothing.
Not a single post on the timeline. Just you being busy doing other stuff. Like, what?
What are you even? What's the meaning of life? Like, what are you even doing?
Maybe I have a man B. Maybe I was playing. Exactly. Like I said, stop kissing him
and pay attention to me. Nah, not gay. Not gay, unfortunately. Actually, maybe. You know what?
Maybe I have a life B. Maybe I was sick. Okay, I had problems. I had eye problems. Yeah.
There you go. I was really yeah. You had eye problems because you didn't see me. Thank you. No,
I I really did. I I had this thing that kids have. They call it conjunctivitis.
It's it it was fucking me up. I I was on on my bed. Oh shoot! Infection. Yeah. Yeah.
I was on my bed all week and I couldn't move. It was really really bad. It's bad. Yeah,
I I knew that was an infection because you know on on my spare time I am a professional doctor.
Okay. But I'm good now. Thanks for asking. Yeah, I'm perfectly fine now, and maybe I will make
more posts on the timeline, be just for you. Thank you. I wanted your opinion on so many things,
but you haven't been here, so yeah, I know. Looking forward to it. I saw the post from Crypto Crow
about his one thousand five hundred dollars. For up reviewing proposal fifteen thousand. Yeah,
that's fifteen hundred is the low end. Really cheap. Yeah, very cheap. Fifteen thousand, Maureen.
I thought, wow, I can live read. You didn't read through the entire page. No,
I didn't read through it. I couldn't go through. My eyes were hurting. I, I just,
I just saw the headlines and I was like, oh wow, it's happening. Someone's getting that money.
At least someone has to, you know, guys. Exactly. At least I'm really looking forward.
I'm really looking forward, you know, because like if it's $500 to receive a telephone
and talk about governments, I'm up for it. And I know Epoch as well. He will like probably open
three lines. I mean, look, guys, you can charge for money, but you have to know what the fuck
you're talking about. I'm just gonna say that, and I'm not directing it at anyone in particular.
I'm just saying, know what the fuck you're talking about, and then charge for money, just
because a majority of DREBs are fucking stupid and. Well, just yeah, that's all I'm gonna say. Also,
I'm one of. That's why. Oh, it was so bad. Will remain free of charge. Sorry. Thank you.
You're welcome. No, no, no, no. I mean, don't get me wrong. People should get paid, you know,
for work. Uh, it's just, yeah, just know what you're doing. I mean, I accept tips,
but I'm not expecting to get paid just so you can claim your staking rewards.
That's a service I provide. That's a service. Um, I don't know. Okay. Well, I mean,
isn't it like you have to be an active DREP for them to claim their stake and rewards?
And if they delegate to you and you take care of all that bullshit, then yeah, cool.
That's the service I provide. And if you feel like tipping me for it, we'll ride on.
But it's totally not required. We aren't charging over here in New Mexico.
So to be to be fair with you, if if this guy really does get people like, hey,
why don't you review my proposal? Hey, why don't you, uh, why don't we talk?
So you tell me if my proposal is cool. He has the right to put the put up a. A price and say, hey,
pay me. You know, I think it's very fair. So. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that works for his business model.
Yeah. Doesn't work for my. It. It definitely creates some problems in governance, though,
because if you have a, how do you know which ones got paid? And like, if you, if if you,
so if you don't pay, do you still get the same treatment? Like, would he still? I don't know.
It's a bit weird, to be honest. And I'm too sick to think about it. Also,
I said I wasn't sick anymore. Shit, I said that, didn't I? Yeah. Marine,
how how's your Fufu Apple thing doing? Oh my God! I think it's it's it's not going so great.
The the Apple launch was honestly really good. I got a lot of buzz, and then when I launched
the Android, it just went very quiet. Uh, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I think the market.
I have a suggestion for you, Marine. You should the collab. You should do a collaboration with B
and add on fur. Um, because apparently listening to yesterday's uh caramel over coffee,
it's a thing. I I I smelled fur when I press listening on X. So Maureen, if you pay me
one thousand five hundred dollars per month, I'll go through every single recipe in your recipe book
and film it. Wow, you can't do that. There are three hundred and fifty recipes. Three hundred.
One hundred thirty-five. And there are three hundred sixty-five days in the year,
and I'm hungry every single day of them. So I don't understand what the problem.
One hundred thirty-five. I mentioned. One hundred eighty. What? How about for fifteen hundred ADA,
be? Oh, that's difficult. She's on the calculator already. Are you gonna pay
this fifteen hundred ADA? No, I do it for free for you. I will pay you fifteen hundred francs.
In in what currency? You said? In what countries does currency currently being? Oh my God!
B is forgetting her roots. I knew the white people got to you. I knew it. I knew it. Uh. Anyway,
she already said she would do it for free. You guys heard it here. So every day,
I am expecting a recipe from you. Every day? Well, no. I said I'd go through every single one
of your recipes, and I said it was hungry every day of the year. Well,
so what does that mean for me? I don't, I don't, I don't understand. Every week? I mean,
it would be a great addition to actually like go through like every single recipe
and have video of it. Honestly, like sometimes it's a lot easier to watch somebody else make
the food for with you than just doing it yourself. And if it is that many recipes. Why not? Yeah.
Get a Twitter account going, and then start making food. I could make it. I have.
I have an incredible kitchen now. It's really big and beautiful, but I am
way too fucking lazy to cook. That's the problem. No, no, no. You have to cook, and then you invite
random people over, and then they tell their story and what they do and how why they do it
and all that stuff, and then suddenly you have a million followers. How it works? So basically,
you meet a random person in the street. You tell them, "Hi, I'm going to cook for you.
" And then you pick out one of the recipes in your in your recipe book, and then you cook it,
film it, and then you guys eat together. You get to know them, and then you post that online.
It's going to go viral. Yeah, and there's nothing that can go wrong with that at all. Oh, yeah,
it will take you a lot of time, of course. I mean, the random person part, be that. No, no, no.
I was shying away from it. I was shying away from it completely because I know exactly what
you mean. Oh my god, that's such a great idea. And hope you don't get you know hurt or something.
I hope he doesn't fucking steal my stuff. I didn't say it had to be a he. I'm just saying. Okay,
yeah, it has to be a she for sure. It has to be a she. Um. Also, I'm not being sexist here, guys.
I'm just uh very a very. What about you? Don't invite them to your home then. You just meet them
and then get their number and then bring that back to their home then. No.
How about I don't do that. Be but how about I still get downloads on my app?
How about everything just fucking works the way it should? How about you know go out there
and reach out to people and have them actually download? No, like this is the type of stuff
that goes pop that becomes popular on TikTok because it's like, oh yeah, I like food. Oh,
I've never tried this food before. Oh, cool. Let me try this dish. Oh, she already made it
and she went through all of the stuff. Cool. What do I need? That's actually possible.
I I could get my friend to just move around with me, but the thing is, I'm in Douala,
and Douala people only speak French. So nice. I need to go somewhere nicer. This place sucks.
Marine, I I want to taste the Norwegian fufu version. Okay,
I have to rock this place. Thanks, guys. Bye. Okay. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. Thanks, Marine.
