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Crypto Front Lines EP. 7
Recorded: Dec. 18, 2025 Duration: 1:05:06Space Recording
Short Summary
In the latest episode of Crypto Frontlines, hosts discuss the increasing trend of using cryptocurrency for everyday purchases, particularly during the holiday season, and highlight partnerships with BitRefill and Let's Exchange to enhance user engagement. They also explore the growing acceptance of crypto among younger generations, as indicated by a Visa survey, and emphasize Edge's commitment to privacy in the evolving digital finance landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. there we go can you hear me yeah awesome all right how do i sound you sound great by the way
yeah i'm using the uh the plantronics
yeah you sound good too uh looks like we've got a few more minutes.
One more minute until we go live.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if we wanted to do the music in the background
while people were joining in or riffing.
I mean, someone can speak to this, but I didn't hear any music.
I was hearing music.
Maybe it was just for me.
I hope it wasn't just for me.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Yeah, since we have a minute minute I'm trying to close out and I have so many tabs
and windows open and
something's making noise oh boy
alright cool
All right, cool.
All right, well, four o'clock, we have some people here.
So hello, everyone.
Kind of just going to intro us a little bit
and then we'll dive into it.
So this is Crypto Frontlines, episode seven.
We've moved over to Spaces last week. We're going to keep trying Spaces, get more audience participation.
We are foregoing the video.
So just as a reminder, I'm Michael, head of the support team.
I'm joined by Alberto.
He's one of the support agents.
Hey, what's up, guys?
You know, we're part of Edge, self custody exchange platform.
And today's topic, we're going to go over how to spend cryptocurrency, how you personally spend crypto.
I'm hoping that that generates enough conversation.
Given the Christmas season, I mean, at the very least, I know I'm finding myself cashing out more.
So that's one way I'm spending it.
But that's what we're going to touch on.
Just for a couple announcements before we dive in,
since it was only two weeks ago and we haven't had a release,
but there was a point release that was put out.
So Zcash syncing should be improved.
For anyone that was using Zcash and having sync issues,
make sure you're on the newest version um and this is a heads up pay this sell to debit credit cards should be live next release
maybe alberto can quote me on that but we're hoping yeah we still have some things to hammer
out with papers but yeah we're hoping that'll be hopefully next week or soon. Okay. And then if you haven't seen it,
there is a Edge Xano competition, right?
So you can join that.
It's running until the 25th.
Yes.
And I think we're partnering with Let's Exchange for the competition.
Correct.
Yeah.
So to kind of just dive right into the conversation at hand, feel free to raise your hands.
I'd love to hear how you guys are utilizing crypto as well.
So, Alberto had posted an article regarding Gen Z's being willing to accept cryptocurrency as a gift.
willing to accept cryptocurrency as a gift.
And oddly enough, I had, what is it, Secret Santa or whatever with my extended family.
And that's actually what I did.
I 3D printed a big Bitcoin and put a private key on the back of it and gifted it.
So that was one way that I spent it.
So it kind of spawned this conversation of like, well, how do you spend crypto?
So I kind of will ask you that question.
How have you been spending crypto lately?
I just bought some snacks from our snack bar.
I forgot about that.
But actually, I use crypto regularly.
Here at Edge, we get paid in Bitcoin.
So I try to stay on chain as much as I can besides bills and all that.
But yeah, I leave a little bit of money just for the snack bar just to buy snacks.
We are able to buy a variety
of snacks in our office with
a variety of crypto.
I spend it all the time
on my
bad habits.
By the
way, if you're interested in that,
I do believe our GitHub actually
has the repo for that Snackbar implementation.
So you can actually build your own little kiosk if you'd like.
It's actually pretty cool.
I mean, I would love to see that out in the real world.
Like on Wednesdays near our office, we have a farmer's market.
Wednesdays near our office, we have a farmer's market.
My vision or dream would be like, these people should have this.
These merchants should have this right there in front of them.
And then people should just be able to swipe and send whatever currency they want for whatever product they're trying to get.
That's the world I want to see.
Well, that's the spend any mentality that I've had in the past.
That's the spend any mentality that I've had in the past.
So with all that said, for anyone that wants to purchase gifts with crypto, kind of a plug for Edge.
I mean, you came here.
You should expect that.
If you're using Edge, you can actually use BitRefill to get Amazon cards, Steam cards.
There's a whole bunch of options.
BitRefill has been a partner of ours
for a very long time. I know in the past I've used it quite a bit for Amazon. Their fees are
incredibly low. So that is one way to spend crypto. Matthew, one of the devs, and I actually
will be going to, I'm back in Michigan. For those that don't know, I'm originally from Michigan. I
went over to San Diego, worked there for a while, came back here for family and such. And there's a place, I'm
going to plug them, even though there's no sponsorship or anything like that, called the
Bronx Deli. It's in Pontiac, Michigan, for anyone that is ever in Michigan. They accept crypto.
And it's one of my favorite places to go. So I'm going to go there during the season to spend
Bitcoin and buy a sandwich and fries and things like that
it's pretty neat that is pretty cool it reminds me of uh you know we're on a hunt for for brad
ambassadors and so we've been taking applications and i've been looking through uh different profiles
on x and i saw one that was pretty cool because it seemed like it was a pizzeria that took zcash
um i didn't get much context other than like the photo and like the guy was buying it but like somewhere out there someone's taking zcash for pizza and that's that's pretty cool
might be an expensive pizza slice at this point um but you know it's pretty cool um kind of
circling back to into the the article you mentioned too which was a really interesting
because actually who did the survey was visa visa did that survey, and they are the ones who found that, you know, younger people, Gen Z, you know, 45% more likely to be okay with accepting cryptoets and just kind of how they're how fast they're adopting crypto and ai and how visa essentially you know they feel like it's going to transform the way that u.s holiday
spending is going to occur so they're already anticipating people spending crypto and they're
kind of trying to get ahead of it so it was interesting that survey came from them and then
you know in the same week or in the same time frame, I think they partnered with Solana and Circles USDC to start using or combining Rails, I'm assuming.
So it's like we're in an exciting time for actually spending your crypto.
Did I still have you, Mike?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I'm muted.
Sorry.
I sneezed.
I was thinking about it.
You mentioned digital wallets and how younger generations, I mean, it extends to mine.
I know I'm a little bit older.
I'm not Gen Z or anything.
But I think digital wallets are something that people are just growing up with at this point.
I think digital wallets are something that people are just growing up with at this point.
So spending digitally, though even previous generations had lived with cards, like it was always just like, you know, you're not actually handling cash as much anyway.
But digital wallets in general just feel like that is the way to go.
Like you just pay for that.
I'm getting a house renovation done, for example, and he asked us if I did checks.
I'm like, what do you know?
I haven't signed a check in forever.
So we're actually gonna be doing it with,
I believe Venmo is what we're gonna settle on.
But it says digital wallets are the way that we transact
pretty much universally at this point.
Yeah, even merchants, right?
And even merchants doesn't have to keep a square cube
around them to swipe cards even, right?
It's almost a little absurd to think, you know, same thing with checks.
Like, everything's just going to be digital wallet-wise as far as the economy goes.
Oops, sorry.
Simply Bima.
I'm going to bring you up.
I didn't mean to interrupt you, Alberto.
No, I was going to say that.
Yeah, welcome.
Welcome, everybody who's coming in, who's tuning in.
And then if you, you know, as always, we encourage you to participate.
Any questions or any comments, let us know.
We'll let you speak.
Maybe I didn't approve it in time.
Go ahead and re-request.
Let us know how you spend it.
Well, we're kind of waiting for him to hopefully.
I remember also, you know, I ended up returning the device,
but I bought a Sui Play, Sui gameplay device in USDC.
So it's like felt cool to spend crypto in that way.
I'm getting an actual physical device.
Dan got his in the mail.
I ended up returning mine, by the way.
So not financial advice.
Well, that is something I actually wanted to ask you about.
Why did you return it?
What was the big deal?
I don't want to speak.
I just didn't like the experience.
I'll leave it at that.
It took about a year to hear anything from the company when my device was coming in.
And then on top of it, there was more import taxes and more tariffs on the device.
And I was like, you know what?
I'm good.
I just want my money back. And they returned money and then yeah it was pretty so this was um
the sui play right that's what it was yeah and then another million other factors i have so many
screens so it really just was coming down to that so i just i don't need another device collecting
dust so i sure more i just want to make sure that we let everyone know what that even is.
Can you let them know what that is?
Yeah, the Sui plays exactly like
a Steam Deck. If you don't know what a Steam
Deck is, imagine like a Game Boy
on steroids, basically.
You have an HD
mini little screen in front of you. You have your
where to put your hands and hold
it like a handheld device and play with it
with your buttons, whatever. So it's essentially a handheld device and play with it with your buttons
or whatever. So it's essentially a gaming device,
a compact gaming device.
And the idea with that SuiPlay was
you will be able to play Web3 games
and regular
conventional games as well.
Anything that's on Steam, you can play on the SuiPlay.
So, yeah.
Oh, you could. So wait, I'm sorry.
I know you said you didn't want to bash on it but
wait what what was wrong with it then i don't understand uh i think what i wanted it for was
wasn't like remember you told me even the steam deck you had issue playing with some uh some
larger games and stuff like that or like just more quality games kind of struggled so like when
you told me that i was like oh maybe the steam deck's not or you know virtual mobile gaming is
not the way i
want it to be like i play on a ps5 i want to get a pc eventually um i didn't want this thing just
sitting there and collecting dust i was definitely curious about it though i wanted to see what web
three games were out there but let's be let's be blunt there are no web three games like let's just
be honest uh so it's just like what games are you i didn't want to take any shots i did not want to
take any shots but that's just that's the reality of it so i wasn't going to have a device that like
i wasn't going to use and then hope that maybe they make some games you know some web3 games
later on down the road like i just didn't see that interesting so speaking of games uh not not that they're affiliated either but you can buy games with
crypto as well i've done that quite a bit in the past not recently but what's the best way for
for buying games uh with crypto uh i don't know if it's best and i and i don't want to guide someone
to get their accounts banned because i i've had i've heard of stories of that.
But I use a website called Kingwin, for example.
It's kingwin.net.
You'll know it because it's a bunch of yellow accent colors
and like a penguin.
But yeah, they have discounted games.
So I'll throw games on my wish list on Steam.
I don't play quite as much as I used to, but I'm a gamer.
And yeah, when I see it go on sale i'll check that against the kingwin prices and kingwin tends to be two three
dollars cheaper all the time um so yeah i just put it on there and they accept bitcoin ethereum usdc
all of it that's pretty cool i didn't i've never heard of it that's pretty cool
you know so you could do you know obviously with edge you can get scene gift cards and things like that but they actually have on kingwin they do have games i believe is on nintendo switch you
can do epic all the different gaming platforms nice yeah yeah it's cool It's a cool site.
For a while, they were actually
shame on them for this, but they were
into the IPO craze. We're going to launch their own
coin for a while.
I don't know how he would use it
for discounts or something.
Yeah, that's a hard use case.
Well, there's a reason why all the IPOs failed
and everyone lost all their money.
Because there was no use case.
Right.
It's just like, yeah, let's launch token.
Why token?
We don't know.
So for anyone that just joined,
I think we had a couple people join.
And we have one speaker ready.
We're talking about different ways
that you can spend crypto.
So we'd like to hear from you guys if you want to let us know how you're spending crypto,
especially going into the Christmas season.
Are you buying stuff?
Are you gifting crypto to people?
Yeah, I'm curious about that.
Has anyone gifted crypto to anybody?
I have thought about it a lot since forever, since the initial 20, when I first got in,
essentially 2021.'s like i want
to give crypto to my like family and i just never did it i wasn't sure how to go about it like
because you know you i'm gonna set them up a wallet now and then give them a private key and
it's like nowadays we're getting towards like crypto you can literally load up a card nowadays
like like yeah bit refill so like i didn't't think I could have just done that.
We'll try something goofy.
I think I can respond with an image to our post, right?
Yeah, I can.
Cool.
So I think Simply B was allowed to speak. Do we need to invite him on again, or is he ready to speak?
There he is. invite him on again or is he ready to speak? Nice.
Hey guys, how are you doing?
Good, how are you?
Yeah, I'm doing great. I'm doing great over here.
I mean, I was listening to you all and
that actually makes sense.
I mean, what you were discussing earlier on the space,
it did make a lot of sense.
And also one thing I've noticed with self-custody wallets
is that most of them, you know, compete on features.
But users don't, you know, actually adopt the wallets because of features.
It's more like they adopt them because of, you know, actually adopts the wallet because of features. It's more like they adopted them because of, you know,
risk or opportunities.
And like H was saying, probably opportunities to gift out crypto.
Like you said, you know, things that make the space easier for us.
So, yeah, I do have a question.
How is Edge thinking about owning those three governments for you guys
instead of just being a beta wallet in a crowded wallet market like this?
So let me understand the question.
How are we setting ourselves apart from the crowded wallet market?
Is that essentially what you're asking?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How do you intend on owning three green moments like where I'll have to take it as my last
result is actually because of one thing or the other.
So, I mean, we set ourselves apart mostly being self-custody and open source.
I'm sorry, I don't think I fully understand the question.
I do apologize for that.
I did not get that.
What did you say?
So, Edge mostly sets, the company sets itself apart because we produce a wallet that is both self-custody, open source, and focused on privacy coins and privacy assets.
What I said was I'm not sure I understand the question, so I do apologize for having you repeat yourself.
Unless Alberto, you want to take it, I don't fully understand the question yeah i'm a little confused also i mean uh but it does sound like how do we how do we you know how are we gonna set ourselves aside from other wallets was the initial question right or was the kind of the the bulk of the question
yeah yeah yeah yeah the the question was actually if I'm rephrasing myself, yeah.
The question was how does
these wallets think
about owning trigger
moments, in quotes,
trigger moments for users instead of
just being a beta wallet
in a clouded wallet
market?
Do you get the question now?
Are you asking trigger moments?
Yeah, trigger moments.
Define that.
I'm not sure I understand that.
All right, all right.
I think I went a bit too far.
So basically, trigger moments is actually a time where people, you know, are being like, which wallet is actually better off than this
wallet because of probably securities, probably the user fuel, probably the ecosystem behind it, you know, trigger moments are times like that.
We assume that which best wallet should we be using now?
Or depending on what comes up, maybe we have something coming into the ecosystem
and we are like, oh, man, I really need something to hold on to tight.
And, you know, we have other wallet competition in the market.
So we need something that can set us apart.
Like, okay, this is a feature that people can actually hold on to us.
And, like, I'm not going any way.
It is, I'm thinking.
I think if I'm understanding you right, like, one potential maybe trigger moment,
like Zcash right now is super popular.
It's in the limelight.
It's trending.
It's very like everyone's attention is on Zcash.
But Edge is always aligned with itself with privacy and, you know, making sure users have total protection when it comes to their identity and their private information.
So they've always been,-centric, I guess.
But Zcash is having its moment.
But Edge is already lined up to have one of the best wallets when it comes to using Zcash.
But not only can you use Zcash, hold it, send it, receive it, right?
You're able to trade it on Edge.
You're able to swap through a various amount of different exchanges than we have on. now we now have decentralized and centralized means of trading your zcash so in a way i don't know if i under
if i'm answering the question right but we were there was a trigger moment or maybe like a trending
moment or a very like hot moment where everyone's talking about zcash but you know edge already has
the foundation there because when it comes to privacy and regular coins you don't have a lot
of options when it comes to wallets that let you hold both.
Like, you know, MetaMask, you're not going to hold your Zcash there.
On Phantom, you're not going to hold your Zcash there, right?
MetaMask barely added Bitcoin support.
So Edge has always supported the entire ecosystem in a sense.
So that's what I feel sets us apart on top of many other things. But we really truly do support
almost the entire crypto ecosystem
from a non-coins to just literally stable coins
to L1s and different networks.
So I hope that answers your question,
not to start rambling.
Yeah, that makes sense because i think that all it that will
dominate this next cycle are the ones that you know become the default position when users
feel uncertain knowing they are comparing features and stuff like that or who best performs
in in in this our crowded space with different kind of work. Well, yeah, it's actually very, very OK.
My question has been answered.
Cool.
Yeah, thank you for your question.
I appreciate you.
To kind of riff on Simply's question,
Champ King actually posted on our actual X
a question about how does Edge balance strong privacy with usability for non-technical users?
That actually goes back to one of the fundamental designs of what Edge did is Edge abstracted the key management by making it username and password, right?
That was the first step for non-technical users so instead of being presented
with this idea of hey here's this crazy long 12 word phrase or some crazy long private key that
you're gonna have to store and if it ever gets lost all your money is going to be stolen that's
abstracted it's hey keep a username that you'll know and a strong password protect that and then
behind the scenes there's also what's called IP validation.
So if someone even tries to get into your account, say that using passwords compromised,
you'll get a notification on the logged in device that will prevent them from accessing it and let
you know. Something that other wallets simply cannot provide at all. Obviously, and then on top
of that, the self-custody and things like that. We try to also make the app very just intuitive to use.
Obviously, we can improve on it.
I'd love feedback on that always, anytime.
We would love feedback on how to iterate and make the app easier to use.
But from the time I've been with Edge now going on five years, from the time that I started
until now, it's like night and day.
It's much prettier, easier to navigate,
and that's something we're always iterating on.
Don't forget our support, too.
We have great support.
Like, honest to God, we have some of the best support in the industry.
And also, I mean, just being here with you guys,
just trying to connect with our users and trying to hear back feedback.
I think Edge cares about their users a lot,
and they want to make sure people have the best experience. And I think part of that is just hanging out with the community,
providing a safe space to talk.
We do even in-person events as well
and allow the local community to meet up and network.
And I think that reflects highly on Edge.
like they're just here to help essentially.
Like, they're just here to help, essentially.
Yeah, so to kind of circle back, I think we have one of that, Michelle. Hello, Michelle.
You know, to kind of circle back to the topic at hand, simply since you're our speaker,
do you find yourself able to spend crypto? Are you using it in the real world anywhere?
yourself able to spend crypto are you using it in the real world anywhere yeah yeah yeah yeah um
i'm using i'm currently using each worries i mean um since i've done the research from my previous
account like a bima it's only bima it's got suspended recently i i did even make a post about it that got um it's attention in the first place
so yeah ever since then you know i started using it and they it's it's my interaction wasn't that
bad it was seamless and i think i also had um a friend of mine who is also here looking so
the wallet as well and the features and everything.
So apparently, I interacted with the wallet for some time before I could create a content or make a post around it.
Because, you know, in this space, you can't just go out there and blindly start talking about something without interacting with it and knowing if it was putting out to your audience.
So, yeah, I've missed it for about two weeks now i'm curious have you gifted anyone
crypto ever have you ever give it as a gift yes yes um on on i think one of my friends video on
the space i think i gifted him about how many dollars of crypto.
I wonder if anyone else is listening.
I'm curious if you guys have ever given any crypto as a gift.
Even to just send somebody some coins.
Like, hey, man, I'm giving this to you.
I'm just curious.
I want to know how big this is.
There has to be more people doing it.
If you guys haven't seen, also check out the picture that Michael posted in the comments.
It's a pretty cool concept, what Michael did.
He was speaking earlier, if you're just joining us.
Created an actual cool token to gift physically to someone so they can get their digital coins or get their Bitcoin.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah, I was going to go over that since we're kind of just chatting about it.
That was neat. Man, I'm going to pitch all sorts of stuff, I swear.
Maybe we need to get some sponsorship.
So with Cursor and OpenSCAD, that's what I used.
That was all with prompts, and I just threw it over to a bamboo 3D printer
and printed that big Bitcoin with a QR code on the back
and then gifted it $50 that way.
If anyone wants to file,
I'm more than happy to give it
without the QR code, obviously.
I feel like, I don't know,
this is a great idea.
This could be an actual product.
This could be an actual product.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Why not?
Why not?
Yeah, for those that haven't used Cursor, by the way,
it's quite the tool if you're into building anything,
whether it be websites, apps,
just JSON blobs to do scripts and things like that.
Cursor is worth checking out if you're already kind of into AI.
It's pretty neat. A lot of us here at Edge
are using it at this point.
Imagine with a 3D printer,
you could do just about anything, right?
Can you do a little Doge-like figurine
and then put a QR code on that
and gift the Doge, and then
it has maybe a little bit of Doge on it?
That's another thing I was going to say earlier.
Early Doge days were all about tipping.
It was all about gifting a little bit of Doge to each other for small tasks on Reddit and such.
So it's almost like it's always been there in a sense.
Yeah, I mean, early days, I remember giving crypto to anyone and everyone that I would talk to.
And then they all looked at me like I was insane.
Still kind of, still do.
I feel like this.
Now I'm just insane for giving away it all.
Right.
Anyone else out there
spending crypto in any way?
Well, if not, I was going to bounce to one other topic, and then I guess we can start wrapping up.
I thought this was neat.
So if no one else wants to talk about gifting, I was scrolling through this last week's news
and stumbled across an article about a NASA employee making claims about how proof of work is
actually going to protect us from the ai revolution of spending it just was a it was a nice thought
experiment that uh reading it so essentially because proof of work is expensive and if we
were to move to a crypto-based holding of your funds it's too expensive for people to try to steal money from you
by writing AI or writing code to do it because the trial and error already is expensive.
So I thought it was kind of neat.
It's an article from Bitcoin.
I'll just post it and I'll post the link in the replies here if anyone wants to check
that out.
That's pretty, yeah, I imagine though
the tech will get better and it'll get cheaper
and cheaper to
start targeting people
but for the time being it's going to be too expensive
I'm assuming.
Alright, and with that if there's nothing else as far as gifting, the last part of the show, and this is something that we used to do hosted for future listen. Now's your chance, go ahead, you know,
keep it within reason, we are gonna moderate
if you go long or anything like that.
But here's your chance, so if you wanna pitch a project
or anything like that, feel free, next couple minutes,
and we'll go from there.
I'm surprised most people don't come on.
Thanks for hanging out with us, though.
Those who are just hanging out and listening.
Any projects that you've been hopping into?
Anything new?
I feel like everyone's down bad right now.
I'm just DCA-ing and holding on for
hodling, literally, just
watching the market carefully.
But yeah, no, nothing.
I haven't gotten into anything too
specifically to show or anything.
Oh, hold on.
Champ Kings, three minutes ago.
They applied for the Ambassador Program, and they're curious.
So their question was, what problem made you decide Edge needed to exist in the first place?
Without William and Paul here, I don't want to speak for them, but I'm going to tell you the answer that they've given me.
Back in the AirBits days, from my understanding, they just wanted a way to use their crypto.
So they built an application that made Bitcoin usable.
And the original AirBits application, so that came before Edge, had a directory.
So you could actually locate places to spend your crypto, which
is incredibly relevant to today's topic, obviously. So that was really what spawned it. And then
unfortunately, you know, well, I guess not unfortunately, just fortunately for us,
they saw the need to have multi-asset in the same vein. so they actually dropped the directory um portion and started focusing on
being an open source self-custody multi-asset but the original problem that was trying to be
solved was just using your crypto in the real world and chan kings also mentioned that
you gifted a token you believed in
like I said you can chill
if you want feel free to
raise your hand
I like his comment he's like I need someone to gift
me not the other way around
I feel you brother
alright well if no one wants to speak Me, not the other way around. I'll tell you, brother.
All right.
Well, if no one wants to speak, I'm going to wrap it up then.
Our next spaces will be on the 8th. We were on a two-week cadence.
Given the holidays, we're just going to bump it and then pick up on the 8th and start doing two weeks again.
I really appreciate you guys being here.
Follow us.
And speaking of brand ambassadors,
Champ Kings, keep an eye out for an email coming in.
We're going to be emailing out all the applicants
who are brand ambassador applicants.
We need some more information for you guys,
so just keep an eye out for that email, basically.
I did see a request come in.
Simply, did you want to say something?
I'll bring you up.
Can I approve?
Oh, it's not approving on my end, but all right.
Cool.
Well, nothing else, guys.
Thanks for tuning in.
Yep.
Thank you, guys.
Appreciate you guys.
Oh, wait.
We have one request.
Should we get Champ to speak?
Sure.
Let's do it.
Add as a speaker.
Think you're good, Champ.
Let me know.
Let me know.
Cool. Let me know. I think you're good to speak, Champ.
Let us know if you can speak.
Yeah, we can hear you what's up yeah
wow this is first time I'm speaking on wow
I'll shake it off don't let the nerves get you it's fine it's just a bunch of profile pictures
it's just literally the entire world listening. Go ahead.
All right.
I actually saw the ambassador here on my tail.
So I just decided, wow, let me look into it.
Guys, I got to find out about this yesterday or so.
Wow, it's very interesting.
So then I applied. I'm still still digging in trying to get some more details
about the project actually but then with what i saw it's quite interesting and i really love it
but then i have some questions because before before even if i get in i don't know. I'm not sure. I don't. Let's just be optimistic.
But even if I get in, let's just hope.
So I have some questions, actually, that I wish I can add to the team.
Can I shoot?
Yeah, you have some questions?
Yeah.
About Edge or about, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, about Edge. Yeah, we'll try our best to answer yeah all right all right it's not really something complex i just want to know um how
we can align together in case i get in so um so first on the list, you know, it probably varies many times from, you know, there's
someone like that go out with girls or something like that.
That is, they will ask you for the serious one, they'll ask you, what's your long-term
vision?
So, so I want to ask, what's the long-term vision for Edge beyond just being what it is now?
Like, where do we see ourselves in the future, in the next five years, five years, ten years?
I don't know.
That's the first question I have.
Then the second one is going to be a little bit funny, but then I want to get a little bit of perspective on this.
but then I want to get a bit of perspective on this.
That's which user behavior has surprised you the most
after launching Edge?
Like what's user behavior like?
And so that's just that.
I don't know if you get the second question, right?
Yeah, no, I think I can get the second one.
If you wanna answer maybe the first one.
Yes.
I've been talking about privacy.
I really, really love privacy.
Is this, I don't know if I can mention Houdini swap.
I did a video on Houdini swap.
Yeah, I've heard of Houdini, yeah.
Yes, privacy.
I'm someone that loves privacy although um in the crypto world we claim to be decentralized and all but then we expose ourselves to a lot of danger
um some kind of tracking your wallet and then try to arm you or stuff like that. The exposure is just getting out of vans and the news we get is just very, very shocking and bizarre. So on the privacy side your questions. So the long term vision, that was your first question, right?
So long term vision.
And once again, I'm not Paul, I'm not willing, you know, the founders, but, you
know, been around for quite a long time at this point in the long term vision has
has kind of mutated a little bit.
And I think where we're at now, especially like current day going forward
is to make edge both the most user accepted, like friendly experience you can have with crypto
and make privacy by default. That those are the, those are the North stars, if you will. That's
the idea that edge is bringing, um, to crypto in, in, in its whole is this idea that we want it to be super approachable.
And if you want privacy, it is your safe haven.
You know, we just launched the ability to swap on a DeFi protocol into a privacy asset,
meaning you don't have any central party interfering with you actually acquiring a
privacy asset, and then you could spend it
completely anonymously so that that is what we're trying to be going forward
and your second question that was i think the how the users have surprised us right
maybe up with their behavior with what they've been doing on edge kind of thing is that something like that
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i you know i can speak for as far as hard market um accepted edge so far like was was the i hope you get what i'm trying to ask like what's the current um feedback like when edge launched i'm very sure
this is not a new project so obviously um i'm still digging in so i don't lie i don't really
i'm not digging in in in so we're still scratching the surface boards i hope you get my question
scratching the surface boards uh i don't get my question
i'm i don't know if i'm a man i'm hoping i'm answering it correctly but uh i think i've been
shocked with how many people are genuinely interested in privacy and for good reason but
um i just didn't know how many people would be using you know are the privacy coins on edge
and and that has been like you know very shocking humbling i guess to
see like yeah many people are interested in privacy coins and many of them are using privacy
coins so that was a something that surprised me personally i'm not sure if that kind of
answers your question though but i'm hoping it does sure i mean from a support angle, what surprises me is how willing people are to give their
passwords away, so don't do that.
That's what's coming from a support angle.
Don't give your password away, please.
Don't do that.
You'd be amazed.
In any form, screenshot form or verbally, please.
All right, no problem. In any form, screenshot form or verbally, please.
All right, no problem.
All right, just one last one and then we call it in.
All right, I want to answer your question on privacy.
I don't know if you saw the news on this guy that was short um forgotten his name is
recent just a recent he was short i think oh i've forgotten actually but then do you know why people
are big on privacy right now is because of safety and it's because of safety number one because if you know i have let's say
i don't know imagination two billion in my wallet right now and then you have access to me like
you have access to me to just attack me collect my phone do all sorts and it's all in the world no one will find out so i think
that's usually people are big on privacy a couple of projects i've seen so far are really really
really really big on privacy so i think that's answered the question on privacy or no privacy
so people are really big on privacy right now because of the way the space has turned.
We want transparency but then too much exposure actually exposes you to a lot of things that
that's for the wheels. Not like me, I have five dollars.
Right, right. Well, I mean privacy by this definition right and I hate to even bust it out, is this concept of you being in control of what people know.
That's all privacy is.
It's not a bad thing.
It's you get to choose who knows what.
That's it.
Full stop.
And everyone should have the right to that.
And that is like the ethos of Edge right there.
And then now, you know, that's what we're building on.
And it reminds, it really does remind me,
you can look at the history and see the parallel
between the internet, early internet days and crypto.
And apparently in the early, early internet days,
there was no cryptography.
And so if you wanted to make a purchase on the internet,
all of your information would be public to everybody, even your credit card information. So it's just a practical thing,
has nothing to do, you know, there's other sides of it, but really, truly, it's a practical thing.
Nobody should have access to all of your transactions. They don't with your banks and
all that, right? So it's about safety. It's about just literally being,
just making sense, you know, protection.
And privacy is just something that's necessary.
Yep.
All right.
Anyone else?
Any other questions?
Otherwise, we're going to wrap up.
All right.
Well, thanks for joining us.
Hello.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I have one more question.
One more.
Not to sound futuristic, actually.
So for Edge right now, what would sound like progress?
Is it more users or what will sound like progress for Edge in the next coming years?
Adoption is a big one. People adopting Edge would be, you know, that's what we want, obviously. But that's almost too easy of an answer.
That's what every company wants, right?
The appreciation of privacy and what we're doing to make sure that people are secure, I think, is what I'd really love for people to understand.
Being open source allows people to actually look at what we're doing and battle harden us over the course of the years of
finding exploits you know we have uh like uh or have white uh what are they called ethical hackers
and things like that that's some bug bounties and things like that that's ultimately the future that
i want i i that's that's a me want desire of edge is to make people understand what edge is actually
doing you know when i was hired here example, I didn't fully get it.
I thought it was insane to hide my crypto behind a username and password.
And so I really started to understand what this company is offering.
Now it's like, am I crazier to keep my stuff on Trezor than I am at Edge?
Because at least at Edge, I understand all the mechanisms in place to protect it.
You know, Trezor obviously has a seed phrase. So, I mean, that part, I understand all the mechanisms in place to protect it. Trezor obviously has a seed phrase, so I understand that part.
But Edge, it's very, very safe.
And so I'm hoping more people understand all the mechanisms behind it that keep you safe.
It looks like Simply, you want to say something?
I think I have to...
It seems bugged.
Can you speak? Are you good to speak? Yeah, there you go, Simply. Never mind. I thought? I think I have to... It seems bugged. Can you speak?
Are you good to speak?
Yeah, there you go, Simply.
Never mind.
I thought I was going to have to give you a request.
I'm audible, right?
Yeah.
All right.
So I want to ask a question in the direction of where something was asked me.
way something was asking in the initial stage of or in the current stage of this project
what do you what what what are the things that you know you need currently because is it that
people want to create more awareness on the issue of privacy different people to know that okay this is what we are actually doing on edge or we are focusing on the
the onboarding of new users or we are focusing on the current users getting them to interact
more on chain and also because on the issue of prep, I've actually, I think recently, I lost some figures due to address poisoning on one of the wallets I normally use for transactions.
Yeah, so I also want to ask how the security measures on H is going to prevent that from happening because I did see that address poisoning is a lot rampant now
because they just look for trace holds on the smart contracts.
So I need an answer to that.
So address poisoning, if you will,
I think you're referring to this idea that there's a nefarious transaction
within like three to six transactions of an address.
Is that what you mean?
Yeah, you can actually be sending cryptos to your address,
but at the end of the day, it will not drop on your address.
It will drop somewhere else.
Sure, sure.
So, I mean, if you're using EVMs, that's a concern no matter what. I don't think that, and I may be speaking completely out of turn here, but unless we go to a deterministic EVM, like I think there's been some wallets that have done that, like Jax and things like that, where you can actually derive new addresses.
you can actually derive new addresses. That's going to be an issue with EVMs in general because
single address, you know, one bad transaction gets sent to it. And now that wallet, if you will,
is tainted. So I guess to answer your question, there is a path forward. If we saw that addresses
are being tainted or not usable because of nefarious activity, we could start doing
deterministic EVM wallets,
but there hasn't been a rampant use case for that yet.
But it is possible.
So if that's a real desire from the community, like, hey, we want new addresses from EVMs, it is possible.
Yeah, if the possibility is there, then integrating it shouldn't be a problem
because looking at looking at something
that's different i mean it's it's going to spark curiosity and it's going to be like oh what are
these people actually doing because over the course of years we've been using wallet addresses
like the evening like the solana what people are used to is what the system
even ethical hackers they are familiar with it. So if introducing something different can drive curiosity,
then it can also be a point of traction for the project.
Sure, sure.
So kind of to go back to you asked, or some, I think,
Champ actually did, but what we want to do in the future,
if you're just using a privacy asset,
all of that becomes moot.
You don't have to worry about that at all.
So there is that part, too.
And then Kaja, I'm sorry if I butchered that.
I just brought him up to speak.
How are you?
Hello.
How are you? I'm fine.
Good, good.
So I'm just joining the space. It's not been long. Can you? I'm fine. Good, good. So, I'm just joining the space, not been long.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Yeah, we can hear you.
So, I really love the way the edge wallet is built.
The interface, you know, is built very simple and free
for even the people with less knowledge of crypto
can be able to use it to swap.
But I also have a question.
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, what's your question?
Okay. So, you know, I'm really interested in privacy. Like, I've been around the ZANU project and I've really been interested
in the way the project is being built. So just like the ZANU project and the Edge wallet,
you know, the ZANU have a privacy coin. So I want to know if the edge have something like that or
if they intend on maybe creating a coin in the future um
at least for the foreseeable future no um we don't want to take that responsibility on
unless there's a utility you know there's we've toyed around with this idea of creating assets.
This was a long time ago and it was killed.
So I'm going to make this very clear.
This is not happening.
But there was a concept that we were going to do this idea of being able to buy portions
of Bitcoin on like loan,
but, and that would have required an asset, but that never,
never came to light. So to really answer your question, no,
we're not ever going to do an edge token unless it has a real light utility.
Otherwise it's just another IPO, right? It's this idea.
We're going to launch a coin. The people that are fans of edge will dump money into it and then what?
It just tanks right
All right. Anyone else?
Sorry, guys. I need to mute you. Yeah. Sorry about that.
All right.
So we are coming close to the hour I'm going to do a hard stop at
5 Eastern
so another couple nine minutes
if anyone wants to say anything else
any questions for us
I do think you did not answer one of my questions
oh sure what's that sorry if I missed it I was asking Any questions for us? I do think you did not answer one of my questions.
Oh, sure.
What's that?
Sorry, I missed it. I was asking what your demands are at the moment.
If you're looking towards user retention, like current user retention, or you're looking towards educating people around privacy, or maybe you're looking towards onboarding users to start using your wallet.
Um, I thought, I thought, so we're, we're looking for people to appreciate privacy.
I thought that was the answer that I gave earlier.
Was that not what you were asking?
I think I missed out on that.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I went on a long rant about it.
Ultimately, the two things that Edge is trying to accomplish, at least current day, you know, the previous vision of making crypto spendable, we still do that inherently, right?
But the vision now is this idea that Edge is incredibly approachable.
Username, password, everyone's familiar with that.
I don't think anyone in the world at this point isn't familiar if they have access to a computer with username and password, right?
And then we make privacy by default.
So Edge, for example, cannot see into any user accounts. We don't know you even have an account. We just have to believe that you do. Until you give us your username, we cannot see that that account exists. Once we have that username, we can't even tell that it's actually yours. It could be anyone's. That's the privacy by default. And then obviously we have tons of assets that are being supported for privacy as well.
Hope that answers your question.
I feel like I'm still missing it,
but that's where we're at.
I thought that, yeah.
You've said that the importance point.
So yeah, it's all good.
Cool, well we got some more request speakers. That is the important point. So yeah, it's all good. Cool.
Well, we got some more request speakers.
Shamex.
I haven't heard you speak yet.
Let's add you.
I think Shamex is connecting whenever he's ready.
We have about seven more minutes, guys.
If you want to speak or come up, let us know.
We got a little bit of time.
I'll make this open-ended for the rest of it, too.
There's a few new people.
If you have a project or anything
that you would like to promote feel free to uh it will be moderated so you know if you start going
off the rails and it feels a little weird we're gonna we're gonna stop it but if you have a
project that you want to pitch feel free to raise your hand come on let us let us know this is
recorded so though the audience isn't huge here, it will be hosted.
So go ahead, Shamix, whenever you're ready.
Go for it.
Good day, everyone.
Shamix here.
Nice to be here on this place.
I'm good, Michael.
I'm a privacy advocate um i love everything privacy
now and it's really fascinating i can't lie and trying to onboard new um ambassadors to promote privacy is a very good initiative that's what we need surveillance wall I have two questions actually
you know about privacy privacy platform when you treat or you online and you get the actual actual hash or the
address you can be able to the details about the transaction he transferred to
the amount and there is even on privacy platforms, there are some that allow you to see
those kind of stuff.
So I don't know, does EdgeWallet have something that restricts
that kind of thing that won't allow you to see details
about anybody's account and the rest?
Let me go.
Let's take that question.
So I'm going to rephrase it a little bit.
And Alberto, if you want to hop in, just let me know.
But I think you asked if Edge has anything that prevents anyone from seeing transactions.
And if we're not talking about privacy assets so privacy assets
obviously um zcash xmr things like that we're already doing that by design um i i mentioned
this earlier that edge is client-side encrypted so we actually can't see that you even have account
let alone your transactions we we can't not we see anything. Only the person with access to the account
can see the transaction history.
Now, there are export functions,
you know, if you need to do your taxes
or something like that, you can export CSVs.
Now, if that CSV is out in the wild, of course,
anyone can look at that and see your transaction history.
But you have to have access to the account, actually on device, in order to see your transaction history. But you have to have access to the account actually
on device in order to see any transaction history.
All right, thank you so much, Michael.
I have a second question.
Apart from Monero, Zcash, and Xanul,
I think that's the basic coin you have on Edge Wallet.
I don't know if you have plans to add other privacy coins like SCRT and the rest,
Ampivix and the rest to Edge Wallet.
I don't know if it's in place or is a plan for that.
I think you're muted, Michael.
I think we were planning on adding Litecoin,
Mimble Wimble, the privacy layer.
I think something that's in the works.
It's not something that's like,
we don't have a hard date on it,
but I know there is just,
there's definitely always potential
for more privacy coins
and growing the privacy ecosystem on Edge.
Yeah, we kind of look at it.
So what some metrics just to put this in place.
First off, you mentioned PIVX.
We do have PIVX support, so we already have that.
How we kind of look at privacy assets is one popularity, right?
So XMR, for example, is popular enough that we would just
add that um zcash the same way pirate chain also and then after that it's you guys if you have an
interest in an asset let us know we'll vet it see if it actually has legs honestly one of the weird
things that we always have to check is if our exchange partners support it, you know, or the DeFi protocols we have in place,
if they support it. We need an on-ramp. I mean, if I'm going to be blunt, like we can't support a
coin that doesn't have an on-ramp. So that's a lot of times our other restricting factor. But
if it's supported by any ecosystem, whether it be an exchange or DeFi, and there's user interest, just let us know.
We'll do our best to get whatever privacy
asset in. We're always scouting.
It extends to any asset.
I put a task out just to have it on our radar.
I mentioned midnight
months ago, just in case we were interested
and we can be ready if we're interested.
Everything's on our radar.
Anything's possible.
I'm going to wrap it.
Cause otherwise we're just going to keep going. So I appreciate it.
I really do. You guys showing up is awesome. Thank you for the questions,
you know, bring, bring more people next time, bring your projects,
questions, whether it's related to the topic of the day or not,
it doesn't matter. Um, this,
these are really just about chatting with you guys and answering questions and
you know pitching whatever new kind of stuff we're doing and hopefully telling some cool
stories along the way you know cool it's all right thanks guys yeah appreciate you guys thank
you guys for for everything see you see on the 8th the 8th see you next year i guess right yeah
peace See you on the 8th. The 8th. See you next year, I guess, right? Yeah. Peace.
Peace.
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