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Crypto Front Lines EP.6
Recorded: Dec. 4, 2025 Duration: 0:41:03Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, highlighting significant trends such as institutional acceptance, the rise of privacy coins, and the implications of large entities like BlackRock entering the market. The conversation underscored the growing recognition of Bitcoin as a legitimate asset class and the importance of privacy in the digital currency space.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Music This music is absurd.
Okay, yeah.
I was going to keep it going.
I was kind of digging the jams, dude.
I don't know, man.
I think you can change it.
That music, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Can I do custom music? Can I start giving you guys stuff?
It just has options for journey,
vibes, jazzy, and nostalgia.
Maybe we can try vibes.
Two vibes.
I can patch in my own.
Oh, cool. Go for it.
I have to set it up. No, it's not set up right now, but next time
we'll do that.
So yeah, we couldn't join.
We couldn't
launch our own space that was
scheduled already, so we just made a new one.
We'll have to figure that out.
Growing pains, I guess.
It's just
the platform is
great and horrible
at the same time.
Hello, Virtual Growth.
Yeah, welcome guys. I think you guys are coming in.
We're going to hang tight
for maybe four or five
minutes before
we kind of kick off.
That's what the music
is for.
I'm okay with just rapping with you.
Yeah.
Can you? That'd be great. So the music is for it. I'm okay with just rapping with you. Yeah, definitely. You know.
Yeah.
Can you?
That'd be great if you could patch in your own music.
I mean, that's a must.
Yeah, I should be able to.
That would just be me using OBS as the microphone
and then just having a separate audio source.
So that should be pretty easy to do.
I mean, not too far off from what we were doing before.
That way I can put some drum and bass and stuff in there.
I prefer it.
Better than what was on the generic elevator music.
Yeah, that music.
Actually, I'm interested to know what the other ones are,
because that one, yeah, elevator music is a good description for that one yeah i want to
hear vibes i want to kind of i want to know what kind of vibes they describe or are relating to
well about three more minutes and then we'll kind of get into our topic
well go ahead and uh kick off vibes i don't know you just mute right um let me see let's hear it let's hear
it let's hear vibes um what do i do the autoplay when my spaces start does i mute myself i think
i have to mute myself let's see if that starts it
hello anyone joining
no we're not vibing
maybe it's triggered after the first mute
it's off
yeah I think did you hit anything
to switch it off or did it turn off on its own
when you started talking
yeah I think once you start talking it'll turn off
it's all good next time let's see turn off on its own when you start talking. I didn't do anything. Once you start talking, it'll turn off.
It's all good.
Next time.
Let's see.
Picture in picture.
Perfect.
You can play some music off the laptop.
Yeah, I'm trying.
It's been a minute since we've done the spaces.
I'm trying to make sure. everybody who's joining um yeah you guys you guys are rolling in awesome appreciate you
all right two more minutes and then we'll kind of get into intros and good stuff like that
okay I'm going to share this
not that I have some crazy amount of followers or anything
I don't really use any social media
very much
is any spaces complete without a i don't really use this use any social media very much
like uh any is any spaces complete without a pump it up indoor
uh soundtrack music real quick what is it like every spaces i've ever been has
this song
this is giving ptsd from every time i was on a telegram they were trying to bump up the meme
All right, so we have Rafael, and I'm going to butcher that one.
Falami?
Is it like salami, but falami?
All right, well, I'm going to go ahead and intro us at least.
I know we don't have many people here yet, but I'm sure they'll trickle in. You know, previously we had done the spaces with video or rather a YouTube
cast. We're going back to spaces, so I'll kind of dive into why we made that change
in a minute. But hi, I'm Michael, head of the support team, and I'm joined here by Alberto, one of our great support agents.
Hi, everybody.
It's been my first time on the actual spaces with you guys, so it's kind of exciting.
Yeah, so when we relaunched this concept back in, I want to say, 22 or 23,
I did a few series like this where we were just doing spaces and had community input and chats and things like that.
And we wanted to relaunch that, but we're trying it with video.
Admittedly, I wasn't able to get the spaces and video to link together.
I'm still working on it. I really hope that I can get it correct.
In fact, if anyone out there knows how to do it, please DM me.
And I'm more than happy to, you know, work with you and, you know, give you shout outs and shill whatever product you might have.
I'm more than happy to do that. But essentially, I want community involvement after talking with the Edge team.
That's part of what this whole podcast was supposed to be, or Spaces, whatever you want to call it.
So we're going to try it again, back to Just Spaces.
Let me know if you guys missed video or anything like that.
I'm okay with pivoting or doing whatever.
I want to give whatever the community wants.
But I really wanted to have more community involvement,
which I think Spaces is still the best platform for that.
Yeah, I think it's pretty exciting
to have actual community engagement
and dialogue and discourse.
But we are also, I think,
playing with the idea of making
a structured podcast-type episode
maybe once a month or something
just to get video involved
and get maybe something more polished.
But there's definitely room
for both worlds in a sense,
like the spaces versus like the podcast.
So it's kind of nice.
We're like thinking of different media outlets for,
for edge.
Well,
and I think when it comes to that,
I mean,
Paul does a lot of podcasts.
So if you're looking for content to consume,
right.
You know,
hopping on the edge,
YouTube,
or just following Paul,
honestly,
it's enough to give you all sorts of great content. But a more structured one. Yeah. I mean, always welcome.
But, you know, give us your input out there and X land what you prefer.
But not to belabor that point. Here we are. We're in spaces.
belabor that point. Here we are, we're in spaces. Just as a quick reminder, Edge. Edge is a
cryptocurrency platform, non-custodial. It's private, multi-asset, and exchange.
If you haven't downloaded and tried it, please do and give us any input that you would like to
see in the app. Criticisms are always welcome. Praise is also appreciated but uh you know let us know as far as
app updates for any of our current users you may have noticed a new buy and sell scene i would love
your input on that if you're struggling with it if you think that it's amazing and you're able to buy
and sell easier with it great if you have once again criticisms would love to know that as well
with it great if you have once again criticisms would love to know that as well for anyone that
was missing bits of gold or liberty x those should be back live again version 439 um correct me if
i'm wrong on that alberto you're the one that does the testing on it but i believe those two are back
yeah i think it is 439 other company should be coming back and then also kind of just to piggyback
the new buy and for sell scene i guess um we'll be adding hopefully soon PayBiz back.
Right now it's only MoonPay.
The only partner we have is MoonPay that will facilitate sales,
but hopefully we'll have PayBiz added back fairly soon.
I don't have a timeline, but I just know we're working on it.
Cool.
And then Elizabeth had mentioned also we're working on Zcash and Maya integration.
So hopefully soon we'll be able to announce an actual full-on announcement of how we're integrating Zcash support with Maya.
That was a topic you guys were talking about earlier today, right?
Yeah, that's something that's in the works.
So more support for Zcash is nice.
Yeah, that would be a decentralized path to it so yeah exactly actual actual private exchange right decentralized
private exchange yeah that's kind of exciting cool well any other updates for edge i have a topic
i'm hoping it it resonates if it doesn't oh well we're we're changing our format. So, you know, so any other updates or anything like that for Edge?
I think those are the two big ones.
Yeah, PayBiz coming back, Zcash, more Zcash support.
And then, yeah, the Bits of Gold and Liberty X-Ramp are also back.
Okay, that's perfect.
So I'm going to intro our topic and we'll kind of riff on that. So I was looking at the news cycle over the past week and what I kind of wanted to highlight, especially going into like this kind of, I guess, a bear, we're kind of doing the bear thing, maybe, who knows, because it's holidays, so it could spike any second but what i noticed was this trend of opinions flipping or opinions changing
um highlighted by one article that i saw i kind of scroll through our discord and stuff for news
um larry fink for example uh who who back when crypto started becoming a popular thing
was against it right this is the worst thing it too risky. Then we saw it kind of change.
BlackRock got more and more involved in crypto.
Now he's just admitting that it's an alternative to gold.
So that's kind of what I wanted to highlight is we're in a world now where legacy finance
and all these opinions that were so against it, you know, JPMorgan, for example, a really
good one, have flipped how they're viewing btc and now it's making this this comparison that
i think anyone that really believed in bitcoin when it started digital gold or this idea of a
digital reserve um so any any notes on that has your opinion changed alberto i went down that like uh the whole black
rock i'm sure a lot of people have gone down the rabbit hole black rock and larry fink and like
there's so many videos of him just being vocally against bitcoin and people would constantly ask
him like on bloomberg or wherever he was at like uh you know are you buying bitcoin are you into it
and he was pretty against it and it's like there's a lot of receipts for that.
Like, so, so, so to see him flip and then now be kind of like the poster boy, it's almost like a,
just an alternate reality. Like it's, it's, it's a bit, speaking of opinion flipping,
it's like almost the community flipped also. Like, you know, we went from kind of being like
anti-corporate, anti, like, you know, monetary funds and all this. And now we're like, please, actually,
yes, like, BlackRock, buy my
bags. Like, so it's
really interesting. Like, even, you know, the community's
supportive of it, which is kind of interesting.
And then seeing him kind of join,
I guess, to our
team or our side of it is really
interesting. Like, everyone's flipping. Everyone's
changing their opinions, almost.
I'll admit, I remember when ETF etfs were a thing i was like excited and then it was like
for only a moment and then and then i realized wait wait wait wait why am i excited about that
this is the exact system that i can't stand why why would i ever cheer that on that doesn't make
any sense so people like jamie diamond who used to be so against it now, and he actually was publicly against it, even when the banking institutions were starting to allow investment in Bitcoin.
put it they drive me crazy that for some reason the public perception cares about how fink and
jp morgan things like that think about cryptocurrency when they never understood in the first place
it's just a way to make a bunch of money to them that's why i'm torn i'm like part of me
like you know i'm definitely 50 50 in the sense like i want to see institutional adoption it's
kind of nice being right also right like for so many years
like being on the fringes and all of a sudden it's like yeah i told you black rock like you
should have been buying this in 2016 but like uh it's it's kind of like yeah it's part of me feels
like i'm selling my soul a little bit but part of me is also happy because like almost like my child
is walking and like or like taking off you know whatever people are starting to take notice and it's like becoming more and more undeniable you know and that's what kind of whether we like
it or not like these institutions strengthen that narrative of being like digital gold or a or a
legitimate store of value and a better hedge against inflation you know just a good investment
overall um so all that sure for better or worse, it's actually really good, I guess.
Yeah, there's things like MicroStrategy where they're buying it up. I think
the whole idea that El Salvador kind of adopted it, it's great is validation, right? It's kind of
what you said, right? It's, I'm right. We were right. And we were right the whole time. That part feels good.
But that same validation is exactly the systems that we're supposed to be replacing.
Right.
And it brings on new problems.
I mean, micro strategy alone is kind of a controversial topic because they were announcing recently that if Bitcoin, I forgot what it was, hits a certain threshold, they will have to sell.
And essentially, they're offering paper Bitcoin, right, to their clients. They're giving them
paper shares of Bitcoin, and then they own the actual Bitcoin. But MicroStrategy and
MicroSailor, they've been buying nonstop, and everyone's kind of waiting to see what happens.
And, you know, it's a lot of that old institutional kind of like, I guess, corruption or just like misbehavior of like, oh, if this micro strategy tanks because they're selling paper Bitcoin.
And, you know, do we really need that also?
Like, you know, kind of tainting the legacy of Bitcoin in a sense.
But I guess whether we like it or not, it's here to stay.
Right.
So anyone listening, do you have any opinions on how opinions have changed how your
opinion has changed i know we only have a couple listeners right now but happy to hear you out
yeah i'm really curious to see the opinion on black rock what do you think dan i see you in here dan loves black rock well no one wants to raise their hand um i did have a couple other notes that i thought were
that was kind of interesting in the new cycle as well oh yeah also just while we're kind of
mentioning you guys uh if you're curious about participating just you know you can request to
speak and then i can uh give you permission. I'm the almighty
permission master.
And you can come up to the stage
and give us your opinion.
I think Dan's actually
kind of new
to spaces. I do see...
Wait.
I see Dan's hand up.
How do I give him permission?
Requests.
Check.
All right, Dan.
What is up?
Can you hear me?
Can you hear us?
Okay.
Yeah.
There we go.
I don't see you joining on the...
There it goes.
It took a second to permission to get requested in here and get the microphone set up but
all right cool well so for anyone that is listening this is dan he's another one of our
support agents i'm over here in the other room yeah that's so far so cool um i guess i had to
contribute for my changing opinion um i've recently been kind of nervous that this crypto has been, you know,
pitched as this hard digital money and kind of saving us from this inflating
money.
But my experience over the last decade or so has been that there's always a
new shiny object, a new hard money that was created almost every day.
And if you look at crypto as a whole,
it kind of seems like, does everything just launch and then go down forever?
Is dilution always happening?
Is Bitcoin the only thing that's safe?
This kind of stuff I've been thinking about recently.
Oh, well, watch out.
Maxis will be mad at you.
Because of course that's the case.
It always has been.
I'm starting to believe Michael's opinion about sound money, or just his thesis on sound money.
And I think that's why BlackRock's here, right?
This is possibly sound money.
Yeah, I worry about the takeover.
This perspective that Bitcoin's been hijacked is also seems to be getting popular
right that is yeah yeah that's that's an interesting way to look at it um hijacked hijacked yeah i mean
that's essentially what we're saying why would we care that these people earn it right but at the
same time they're in it so deep that they could at this point like micro strategy if they were to sell
off that literally would tank the price they would they're so heavy into it at this point, the price would fall,
and it would shake confidence, which is another whole thing, right?
Yeah, and I think that's been maybe the case the whole time,
where ever since the beginning, I never really knew who owned most of the Bitcoin supply.
There's always a little bit of a risky investment feeling,
because there seem to be bigger whales out there moving price that I don't know how or when
or why. It also reminds me of the idea that BlackRock is, you know, they're a controversial
group and you can kind of study their moves and many will blame BlackRock as to why the housing
market is the way it is, why Americans can't buy a single family home because these corporations
are just snagging up tons of property, just eating all the properties.
And that scares me for Bitcoin because I don't want BlackRock to have all the Bitcoin.
I want like our family and our friends and our community to own and get a chance to own a good amount of Bitcoin.
But if like sooner or later, it's going to be just like a house, it's going to be like unattainable or just like you're like yeah i'm not going to buy a portion of a house right or even if they're like
i can buy a little bit of bitcoin i'm not gonna buy a tiny like condo i'm just not gonna even
bother it's just out of my reach and like that's that's the reality like these institutions start
just swallowing up all the the assets and then the common person which it was intended for us
in a sense can't even like doesn't even want to even like
put their money in it because it's just like doesn't seem like a good idea or whatever
um well so there's the concern of like micro strategy blackrock things like that buying it
up but correct me if i'm wrong i think microrostrategy is still only at roughly 9 500 bitcoin somewhere
around there right that's a good question i don't i don't know how much they own a lot
but even at that that's still like a kind of like a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things
right yeah but it's starting you know it's drops turned in turn into oceans eventually i guess
i just well it's if what people are willing to sell and if they're buying it up that pushes value
up they're incentivized game theory wise to hold on to it not dump it i just feel like people will
look at it kind of like as like oh i don't don't, they'll never, of course, you don't have to own a whole Bitcoin, you own a sat, right? Like own sats. But like, they'll just look at it as like something unobtainable when they're starting to look at like $300,000 Bitcoin, $400,000, or even $100,000, you know, like, they just feel like the train has left them in a sense or whatever.
And they're going to keep going. And the ones that are going to keep buying are probably the larger institutions you know uh fair i think that's where we have to stop looking at it is
hold bitcoins and like you mentioned sats sats are a great way to like start looking at bitcoin
right um you know i've said this before i think i've even said it on previous shows um
the u.s we're spoiled.
We have a functioning bank system.
We have a functioning dollar.
You know, we're not a very good country as far as like understanding how useful Bitcoin can be.
When you look at other countries, it's all about cross-border payments and things where it's practical use, where the actual value doesn't matter.
Because to be fair, they're just exchanging it from one currency, like fiat to another.
And they're just using Bitcoin as pretty much Western Union or a way to wire the money.
But the point is, is that that is a practical use case.
It's a real use case.
It's being used today all the time, which doesn't actually care too much about the actual price of Bitcoin, right?
It's just about moving value across borders.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
So I think that's one of the things that I think about when we think about price and
people being resistant to get in.
That's, I hate to put it this way, but like almost an American way of looking at it, right?
Like Americans look at it because we have functioning money.
So because we have functioning money, we look at the price as an investment, right?
Right.
When realistically, many countries look at it as a tool to move money from country to country.
If anyone wants to know, the MicroStrategy, now strategy, holds about 650,000 Bitcoin.
Whoa, that's way more than I thought.
Yes, from AI.
So that's from ChatGBT.
I would have to double check the source,
but I think they do hold that much.
These names, I'm going to butcher every single one of them.
Hello, new listeners.
Yeah, welcome.
Sorry.
Shimmeri.
Shimmeri.
You're new coming in.
Just so you know, feel free to raise your hand.
We're talking about changing opinions in the crypto world.
So kind of opened it with this idea that Larry Fink previously said things like Bitcoin is too risky. And now has recently been publicly stating that it's comparable to gold um so yeah
and i don't know if mine is just not showing hand raises but
swear i saw he requested actually hold on yeah we have a request from uh shimari give me one second
welcome how's it going can you hear us hello this connecting hey hey hey how's it going This is three. Yeah, three. Chiamere. Chiamere, got it.
How are you doing?
I'm doing great, man.
How are you?
Good, good.
So what is your opinion on these changing opinions in the crypto world?
I didn't quite get you when you were speaking.
Please, I'm repetitive.
So I don't know what to say.
Sure. So essentially what I was saying is the public perception of Bitcoin has changed so much over the past couple of years and really the past year or so.
So that's kind of the topic at hand.
Feel free to introduce any new topic.
I'm not hell bent on staying on that topic.
But that's kind of what we're riffing on now is just this idea that public perception has changed.
And does that matter for people that were into crypto for the fundamentals of it?
The idea of replacing the dollar.
Definitely, yeah. The public perception of the crypto has changed. Yes, that's true.
And more recently, let's just use Bitcoin as an example, more recently, this rise of the rise of the recent surge in Zcash privacy and all of these things i think people
have started seeing bitcoin from a different angle or a different perspective as to say
you know previously they always believed that oh bitcoin is just the main thing is
a it has some kind of privacy which people believe is not really the main thing. I think with the rise of with the search of privacy Zikasha,
Monero and Dano and a lot of them I think people are starting to think Bitcoin differently as to the initial
perspective but actually they are asking about it.
So you believe people are becoming more apt to want privacy coins and things of that nature then?
Yes, I believe so.
More especially people that have been in this space for a long time.
When I go for real life events and I try to interact with people as to, okay, if XYZ, let's say, your friend or your...
XYZ, let's say, your friend or your...
I think it's...
You're rugging a little bit.
We're losing you, Chimery. Can you hear us?
Your internet service provider knows you're talking about privacy.
It's killing it.
Yeah.
I don't know if you can hear Shemiri, but you're...
Don't send to Shemiri.
It's not good.
He might be...
Well, he gets his internet under control kind of uh under the under control i guess
i think he had a good point though like it does really feel like interest in privacy coins is
kind of increasing which is interesting because again now as the institutions are kind of
swooping in it's funny like the the friend like the people are starting to realize like you know
what zcash is private bitcoin or you know Monero is private Bitcoin or whatever it might be.
It's also scarce and useful and a hold of value and it protects my privacy.
So I've never thought personally my opinion would flip so hard on privacy coins.
And now I'm like, oh, these are like – people really are interested in this.
And this is not fringe.
And this is actually potentially and this is you know This is actually like
Potentially a really good investment. I don't know if you can if you're back to Mary for internet's working
He might have gotten rugged welcome also we had another listener welcome 823 welcome
Hanging out with us. Thanks for hanging out. You also if you're welcome to come and chat with us if you want to raise your hand
I'll let you speak if you have any opinions on the kind of the the
changing crypto atmosphere if not i did want to i did want to chime in you you mentioned um scarce
xmr is not scarce it's one of my biggest criticisms about it just going to put that out there i love
xmr but it's not scarce yeah i never i never... I guess Zcash is not scarce, right?
Let me...
No, what's cool is the cross-border payment thing
that I mentioned before.
XMR is a beautiful tool for privacy.
Like, I wish we...
Maybe that's a changing opinion.
It just dawned on me.
That's what I'm thinking.
I almost look at crypto as a tool more than ever these days
for moving money around, especially the more I get into the DeFi. It's a tool. It's a tool. It as a tool more than ever these days for moving money around,
especially the more I get into the DeFi.
It's a tool.
It's a tool.
It's a tool, right?
It's a way for me to have agency over my money.
Yeah, that just dawned on me.
That's a whole other rabbit hole I could go down.
Yeah, you're right.
I did not realize Monero has an infinite supply.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I need to do some more.
It's always been a big criticism of mine of Monero, but it's not necessarily a bad thing, right?
It has a market value.
If you're looking at it as an investment, just be aware that there doesn't have a cap.
You need to be aware of that.
But it is a really good privacy tool.
If you want privacy in your spending, it's very good for that.
Right, right.
Yeah, I think it's still the number one used coin in the dark web, right?
For a reason.
It works.
It works well.
All right.
And A23, welcome.
Feel free to raise your hand and talk if you'd like.
talk if you'd like give you give your take on changing opinions.
Give your take on changing opinions.
I did have one other note that I thought was really neat when I was going through the the news.
I guess let me pull it up to make sure I'm quoting this properly because I don't want to
misspeak here.
There was a public statement from Maxim Oreshkin, who's an advisor to Putin, who in Russia there.
And I guess they're emphasizing the need for more mining in Russia, as they believe that that's actually one of the more important exports going into um 2026 and on
so i thought that was very neat to read that companies are starting to value the mining
aspect of it as if like that export is valuable it's a valuable export to have
yeah especially if you're in a country where that has like low energy costs you know we kind of
it's good for them to be in the in the mining game because you're helping out the whole global network, right?
You're benefiting.
And there's something to be said about the warmth that kicks off.
If we could make the ASIC miners a little bit cheaper,
I used to run ASIC miners, I'm telling you,
those things get hot, hot, hot, hot.
So if you're in a cold place like Russia or like I'm in Michigan,
it's, you know, it's not bad.
It's also beyond my understanding but hey
thermal thermal energy thermodynamics can't you transfer heat into somewhere else and then make
it do something that's definitely like the hope of the future is like all these miners will be
efficient and like just cool stuff like i don't know have like maybe even like store energy or something like that or not use at all.
Oh, yeah, that's above my understanding. Anyone out there understand
heating and cooling with thermal like that? Let me know.
I know that's a pretty popular thing here. People do all sorts of weird
underground stuff. I don't understand it, so I can't speak to it.
Circling back on the whole opinions changing too, and I guess we're kind of talking about the evolution in a sense. It was really interesting to see the founder of Solana on the
stock exchange. He was ringing the bell, and Solana was being announced as a public company
on the S&P 500, I think it was, it was almost like, wow.
It felt like, I don't know, just seeing your kid grow up
or something like that, because he's been investing
in Solana for so long, and now it's
a publicly accepted company.
It's an entity.
It's not just this blockchain fringe thing.
He was mainstream, ringing the bell
with the institutions, I guess.
Wait, I missed this.
Wait, hold on.
Solana IPO'd?
I believe so, yeah.
I just saw the random video of Anatoly
ringing the bell with his team or whatever.
You know when a company goes public
they do the whole bell ringing thing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is unprecedented territory.
I've never heard of it.
I've never heard of it.
So I'm saying, again,
institutions, Wall Street's flipping, like...
Huh.
Yeah, I don't see anything about it. I i mean i want to read more about that
that's wild on the video so is it the company behind solana is what you're saying
um i don't know i would have to find i would have to like i haven't went down that rabbit
hole other than seeing like the news headline and other than seeing the video of him like ringing the bell uh let me see if we can find it whatever the bell that's a weird
territory if your company is generating a cryptocurrency and you're publicly listed
that's a it's a wild world but well he looks that up um i'm going to give 823 one more chance to raise their hand if they want to speak.
Otherwise, I want to get into the shill section, which I'm bringing back.
Oh, PK Spin just got here as well.
Welcome, new users.
So Solana's founder rang the New York Stock Exchange closing bell to mark the launch of BESOL, the first U.S. spot Solana ETF.
Oh, it's the ETF. Okay, whatever with that nonsense.
I thought you were saying the company
behind Solana was being
publicly listed.
I had never seen
the ringing of the bell, so I thought they were like,
are they being announced as a public company?
That's why I haven't done research.
So it's just for, I guess, BESOL,
not necessarily the company itself. But it's just for the, I guess, BESO. Not necessarily the company itself.
But it's still, though, a blockchain company on the New York Stock Exchange floor, you know, like being announced.
Yeah.
So PK Spin, we were talking about changing opinions over the past couple years.
I led with this idea that Larry Fink, for example, despised cryptocurrency or thought it was too risky and now compares it to gold.
We're inviting anyone to give how their opinions have changed or give their two cents on that topic.
Otherwise, you know, I'll give it a couple of minutes to see if you want to speak.
I'm going to move into the shill section.
So essentially what the shill section is, is back many moons ago when we did this, we gave the floor to whoever was listening to pitch their product, coin they're interested in, what they want to see in Edge, whatever it may be.
Don't go too long.
And, you know, we may moderate, just going to put that out there, but feel free to pitch a product or anything like that.
Can you guys hear me?
Yes.
Yeah.
Nice.
I was doing some little reading and research this morning about a project that is claiming to be an L2 with no centralized sequencers and that has been my main
tip I had with L2s is that there's a centralized point of vulnerability where all my money could
turn off so I don't really trust them but yeah but a decentralized sequencer I don't know about
that and then furthermore this this is a privacy blockchain with all zero-knowledge roll-ups.
So I was able to do a swap, and I didn't have to worry about slippage settings,
because I could just swap, and I just got what I would get,
because no one knew what I was submitting on some public blockchain.
Interesting.
Tyco, T-A-I-K-O.
That's the one I was researching, and I still don't know enough about it.
Tyco XYZ.
Non-financial advice.
Yeah, two different blockchains.
I don't fully understand the tech stack, but it seems cutting edge.
And so I'm intrigued to research it more.
Tyco.
I'll take a look at it. I know, what was the one that, I don't think it's a layer 2,
what was the one that Sam was talking about just recently?
I meant to look more into that one as well. Go on, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling.
There's a lot of privacy projects that have been cropping up,
so maybe that's like a 2026 race that we'll see happening.
privacy is definitely way more popular than it ever has been for sure
Privacy is definitely way more popular than it ever has been, for sure.
i wonder if it still lacks the sexiness it's hard to predict what will happen
zcash blew us all away it's it's usability right like i think that's kind of the common theme
usability knock that was the one not financial advice but knock That was the one that Sam was pitching.
How do you spell?
N-O-C-K.
But all right.
Looks like we scared everyone away. They all left us.
Like change.
How about I change from the spaces?
That's what they said.
But all right.
We're back. We're doing spaces.
We're going to do this again when, Alberto?
Elizabeth?
Two weeks. It's going to be every two weeks, essentially.
So it should be running every two weeks.
Thursdays, 1 p.m.
The 18th is the next one.
18th. So December 18th.
I'll come up with whatever topic.
If you guys have a topic you want to hear, post it on Twitter, or X rather, and let us know what you want us to talk about.
Happy to entertain that.
I'll do some research, get some talking points, ramble on.
Maybe we can do a poll.
We can do a poll and be like, what would you like to be talked about on the next?
That'd be kind of a good idea.
We did quite a few privacy casts without user engagement.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm totally okay with going hard into that and having community involvement as well.
I'd love to know how our users are using privacy as well.
Not to dox them, but you know what I mean.
Right, right.
People are passionate about that.
I would love to hear some debates.
Get some maxis from each corner and just have them give us their side or their opinion.
All right.
So with that said, anything else?
Thanks for making the space, guys.
I smell the potential here.
This could be fun.
All right, cool.
Hopefully we'll see you guys soon.
We'll see you on the 18th, same time.
Bring questions.
Be ready to talk.
See you guys.
Have a good one. Peace.
