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Crypto Front Lines Episode 13
Recorded: March 26, 2026 Duration: 0:52:49Space Recording
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The End Thank you. Thank you. Wait, do you hear the music?
Yeah.
Okay, finally.
People are hearing the music.
They normally don't have it.
They're like, it's bugged out.
I don't hear it though.
I kind of missed it already. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out, man. X is such a, honestly, buggy platform.
I think because I turned my mic on, it stops the music, but I can't turn it off and keep the music on.
Let me invite the co-host one more time.
Did you?
Yeah.
There you go.
RJ's co-host.
When I mute and unmute.
Are you guys running that issue?
I can hear you.
Good, yeah.
Okay, yeah.
Now it's working.
It's fine.
I just refreshed it.
Cool.
Cool, cool. All right. Right on time.
Welcome, everybody coming in. Appreciate you guys.
All right.
I'm seeing two more minutes, so I was going to give it the two more minutes.
Yeah, absolutely. We'll start out. We'll start out.
I want to just hang out and vibe until then.
I would play music, but I'm in the lunchroom
because I pause on his podcast right now.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Yeah, man, I got to start giving you guys some of my tracks to play.
Yeah, I remember a long time ago when we were still doing it in the podcast room.
You had just a banger song.
I think I asked you for it and I forgot to grab it.
But yeah, Michael's the song guy.
He's the sound guy.
I've been producing again a lot,
so I'll give you guys some links.
You should make an Edge theme song.
Dude, I'm in. I'll produce you guys some links. You should make an Edge theme song. Dude, I'm in.
I'll produce the video.
Just cats. Lots of cats.
I think Sam and John are both musicians as well.
Maybe we can start an Edge band, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, what does Sam play?
Actually, Matthew's a drummer.
Right, literally.
There we go.
What does Sam play?
I know John plays the violin violin but what is a sample well
from what i've seen in video conferences that i think he it's ukulele i was gonna say he looks
like a ukulele kind of guy for sure that's funny cool all right all right well hello everyone
cool all right all right well hello everyone thank you for joining us uh episode 13. i do apologize
for it being um punted last week right that we had to we had to move it there was a bunch of
overlap and we weren't able to do it so sorry for that uh this will be the new cadence correct me
if i'm wrong alberto yeah so yes yes, hopefully, you know, next Thursday off.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, from here.
Just kind of an intro.
So I'm Michael, the head of the support team.
I'm joined by Alberto, who is QA now, and does wear other hats like marketing and things like that, and RJ, head of the QA team as well.
If you guys want to talk to any words. What's up, guys? Welcome. things like that and RJ head of the QA team as well.
If you guys wanna toss any words.
What's up guys, welcome.
All three of you for hanging out with us.
How's it going, McDoshi, Codex, Mark.
Hey guys, welcome everyone.
Yeah, so just real quick, we got 446 another release out.
Some of the release notes are,
we added support for another swap
partner called Xgram, so another partner
to potentially swap with.
We also did re-enable another payment method with Bankso.
But this is if you're in the UK and dealing
with the payment provider on faster payments,
that's been re-enabled for sale.
And just other various fixes, but nothing too big.
So just those main two are the main highlights of the last release that we just had.
Cool, cool.
And then some past announcements.
I just want to thank everyone who participated in the Pot of Gold event.
It was very, very awesome to see everybody kind of buzzing around that event.
And then I believe last night was March Mingle,
sponsored by the San Diego tech scene.
Pretty cool to see the, you know,
I heard the Edge team was out there representing
and then just, you know, being part of the tech scene in general.
So, and then also just if you're ever interested
or if you're in San Diego, check our website for any upcoming events.
Sometimes they're in San Diego, sometimes they're other places.
Like in the future, we will be at the Bitcoin conference in April, you know, 27th to the 29th at the Venetian.
So just that one's not on the website, but in general, just keep an eye out.
Cool. So before I dive into our topic, which admittedly, this topic is going to be incredibly support focused, but I wanted to just kind of make a general announcement to our user base and whoever stumbles across this.
But with that said, before I start diving in, I cannot stress enough, this is an open forum.
That's why we do it in Spaces instead of it just being a podcast.
So if you have questions, concerns anything at edge you know we're
here to answer raise your hand we'll bring you on as a as a speaker and we'll address whatever
whatever you come up with and it can it could be out of left field it doesn't have to be on topic
i don't care i invite the chaos uh so with that said what i wanted to touch on was the switch to intercom.
Like I said, it's support focused.
So if you have ever actively reached out to our support team, we have been using Zendesk for the past two years.
And it was actually not bad or anything like that.
But we are trying to pivot to more of an AI focus for quicker support, which is still live agents are always available.
But what recently happened was Zendesk implemented a mandatory email. So kind of given our ethos for
privacy and things of that nature, we did decide to find a different platform. Intercom ended up
being kind of a natural fit for our AI initiatives, and they just recently added phone support.
kind of a natural fit for our AI initiatives and they just recently added phone support.
But ultimately that was the big deciding factor for us. So if you did reach out to support recently
and had a slow response, I'm sorry. The past two weeks have been kind of a transitional phase where
things have been moved around so much that I have noticed a couple of tickets falling to the wayside.
noticed a couple of tickets falling to the wayside um but with that said that that was the ultimate
um move here was hey they're requiring identification of some sort so we're going to move away from that
so kind of what i wanted to pose is it is an open-ended question even is are there other ways
that uh anyone else has used platforms or things like that that are invasive like that, that you've found workarounds,
kind of just as an open-ended conversation there.
Or opinions on intercom, or have you reached out to support
and you hate anything?
I'd like to hear that too.
I think you're on mute, Alberto.
The email was non-optional, right?
Users must now register an email.
And as we know, most emails, you know, come with a whole bunch of KYC or private information, right?
But could you have used a private email, I guess, or a Proton email?
So the primary motivator here has more to do with the requirement itself.
You know, when you want to reach out to Edge support,
given that we don't want any sort of identification,
just to align with that method or ethos,
we wanted to make sure that any user could reach out to support
with their chat bubble or email, website, whatever it may be, without requiring an email.
So essentially what ended up happening with Zendesk is they were requiring you to input an email to do the chatbot.
input an email to do the chat bot.
That was the non-starter for me.
That was the non-starter for me.
Yeah.
I mean, did they give a reason?
Was it to stop spam, I guess, right?
I think that was where I read a little bit on it.
Yeah.
What's hilarious about that, actually,
they use spam as their reasoning.
But, you know, being just intimately involved with zendesk and all the
tickets that are coming in i still get tons of spam from registered emails so i don't know how
that changes anything right it seems like a weird excuse and i never actually you know i never saw
our chat get spam to be honest it was only emails yeah that's the hilarious part of their reasoning
like i don't like being conspiracy guy but i'm that guy i'm wondering if like this is all kind
of everything like everyone's going towards a move of like know your customer and age verification
i don't know if this has anything to do with age verification at all but like discord for example
is like now requiring it semi-understandablestandable, but still, you know, barely invasive.
Like, I don't know.
Right.
So, and the other part of it is the AI part.
Intercom, for what it's worth, not to make this just a huge advertisement for them,
but I am kind of thrilled for what's available.
Their AI model is incredibly sophisticated.
Like the way that it can parse through knowledge base, give answers, it seems like you're talking to a real person.
And then the way that it hands off too, like it can pick up on context if you're getting frustrated or if you just, you you're not getting the answer you want it'll immediately search for a um an agent so that part's really
neat how well that's built out as well and michael you've seen quite a few like you know during your
time here the different help desks that we've gone through whether it be fresh desk i think what we
started with and then Zendesk,
and then now Intercom.
Even Freshdesk had a little bit of AI,
but it wasn't advanced back then because it was like years ago,
many years ago.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like with Freddy, AI bot or whatever.
It would be nice to see maybe like the current state of things
like with Freshdesk, like a comparison,
like are they up to par with intercom
um i know zendesk was a recent transition um so that comparison is recent but what about like
fresh desk or other uh help desk out there is intercom really like the top one out there
you think so intercom intercom uses a different build altogether. So they treat everything.
The only way I can really lump this is if you've ever used Discord,
everything is kind of handled like a Discord message.
So that approach has allowed them to take this AI-centric because everything is just routed through that
and then they're all just conversations.
And why I bring that up is Zendesk and Freshdesk still to this day, because I did actually look in Freshdesk quite a bit and considered it, they're still actually the more affordable option, but they still treat everything as an email first.
So that's really the distinction there is they're an email first.
So routing it to AI actually becomes difficult or it's not as consistent,
which I think that's the big innovation that Intercom did is treating everything as a conversation.
So it comes in as just a text blob, a message, gets routed to their AI, and then the AI decides where it goes.
That's just fundamentally different than all the other ones.
The other ones are more or less email routing.
That's all that's actually happening with Zendesk and Freshdesk.
Got it. I see. It sounds like intercom is really leading the way.
I mean, I have a lot of gripes, but there's some cool stuff that they're doing. The learning curve
is pretty intense for everyone involved, actually. But yeah, as far as the user side,
we haven't really had any complaints.
And my testing shows that it's just a better user experience.
So if it's a little bit of a heavier lift for the agents,
you know, it sucks.
I don't like doing that to, you know, our guys.
But at the same time, it makes a better user experience.
And, you know, it's cool to learn new stuff, I guess.
On the user side, do they see anything differently?
They don't really know if they're interfacing with Zendesk or Intercom, right?
Like everything's the same experience, essentially.
If anything, they see better answers and a more interactive bot.
I mean, they're informed that it's a bot.
The bot is named Prudence for anyone that's used it.
Right, so there is a difference.
Actually, tell us about Prudence a little bit
because I'm kind of new to Prudence.
Yeah, so now when you reach out to Edge Support,
that's a good question.
I'm like riffing.
I'm like, all right, what else?
Okay, yeah, that's a good one.
So now when you go to edge
support you'll tap on the little chat bot there uh the edge logo we named it prudence we're up
for changing it but i i don't know i like that name uh you know it makes you think of like some
some older wise woman that's there to help you michael's not telling you guys that was his first uh his first crush actually
yeah very wise very wise um so and then when you go to prudent so for reference for anyone especially
if if you're even coming here to like contribute to the app or find out information like that
what's really neat about the ai bot that we have now is it will reference our GitHub, it references our website, and our
entire knowledge base. That's powerful. So when you ask it questions, yeah, it will reference
all three of those sources and give you the best answer, not just a knowledge base. And then any
gaps in the knowledge base, it'll inform us on the backend. You don't have to necessarily bore
our users with that. But that's what's kind of neat is you can ask it pretty
technical questions and it'll
spit out stuff right from our
GitHub instead of referencing
knowledge base if it's not there.
I was going to ask, yeah, you can technically
ask it literal
technical questions, like even simple
stuff like, oh, is the code really open
source? Like, yeah, here it is. Here's all
the code. Have fun. That's really awesome wow i didn't i did not like the github thing really
makes it like any there's a lot of technical users who want to have who have technical answers
they want sorry technical questions and want technical answers yeah yeah this is perfect
so that's one of the that's one of the big reasons why um i i added
the github there's a little bit of like pushback and like questioning about whether that was the
right approach uh and syncing it admittedly took like a month or something like that to actually
sync it but now that it's synced you can ask it yeah very technical questions it's it's really
really cool was that all the code it had literally just kind of go
through thousands of lines of code that's so amazing it took forever but it can reference
repos and everything though for my testing it's been really cool yeah i'm blown away now that i'm
getting into more like vibe coding and stuff just like a tiny little app that might be like you know
whatever just a few megabytes takes an extreme amount of long time
just to transfer somewhere because of all the files,
like all the code that's written.
I didn't even realize that this thing's tiny,
but it's taking forever just to get transferred.
Like it's interesting.
Now with that said, there's one thing that it keeps hallucinating, which I still need
to fix. We have, I believe it's CoinGecko, the MCP linked into it. And what keeps happening
with that is it keeps asking if people want prices. I don't know why it's doing that, but it's like, hey, do you want to know the price of Bitcoin?
It doesn't bring the support out to that of the support.
It's like, all right, I mean, I guess that's fine. I would like to disable that.
It's like, I might as well, like, while I'm looking at support, I also need to, yeah, just tell me the price too.
Right.
So, I mean, you're going to run into some hallucinations with AI, which I think we can all say is a common thing.
It almost opens up a different branch, if you will, GitHub, of the conversation.
Where are you guys using AI? Can we just pivot the conversation?
I'm actually very interested, even from our community, like you're implementing it in your day-to-day.
Yeah, I'm really interested in the community
and see what they're doing with AI.
Absolutely.
If anyone wants to chime in, let us know.
God, I've been obsessed in the last four months.
It's been life-changing.
It's been life-changing.
It really has.
A year ago, I would have never been convinced, like, oh, AI
is going to take everyone's job. I'm like, yeah, not anytime soon.
The last four months, I'm like, oh, it's here.
It's now. It's taking your job.
It's amazing. Yeah, just
coding a bunch of stuff. I know you're doing music
with it, right, Michael? Which is the most unique
use case I've ever heard
with AI so far, other than just
generating slop.
Yeah, I can riff on that
in a minute, but as far as
vibe coding
in general, that's one of the
things that I'm very interested
from our community
because obviously they're going to
be crypto-focused.
I'm really interested in seeing what people
vibe code as far as
front ends and how they interact with different tools that are traditionally more difficult to use.
So, yeah, if anyone in the community, you know, if you're listening back to this after, I know there's not that many people here, but if you guys make anything that you want to want us to look at, I, for one, am interested.
Even, you know, maybe you can make it into Edge.
Maybe it's a side project.
Who knows?
But pitch us your ideas. That's one of the more powerful things that AI can do.
I can give you my sense on vibe coding. So kind of shilling, maybe not shilling, but if you check out Microsoft.com, Morgan, like the other job that I work at has been doing a lot of
vibe coding. And that website has been built mostly in vibe coding as well as like a lot of other apps and features that were built in, you know, for this platform.
There's even like another AI that he's built called Micah.
But that was vibe coded into existence.
Most of it was local with like a supercomputer that we purchased. But yeah,
have a look at Microsoft.com. That's a Vibe-coded product that we made. This is at my other job,
not edge related, but at Microsoft.com. With the Y, right? M-Y. Yeah. M-Y-C-O-S-O-F-T.com.
So that was Vibe-coded our website, product um our applications there uh check that out that's
vibe coded into existence and then to answer your other question michael in terms of like
ai use at least for personal i mean i recently had surgery i've been talking with chat gbt a lot like
you know checking and benchmarking my progress if there's any red flag so i cannot use it almost
like as a personal doctor if you will yeah yeah so not really vibe coding in that sense but using AI for like like
personal stuff like that like with my surgery yeah that's where sorry go ahead no I was gonna say
like a three four was it three four months ago when Paul taught us you know just cursor like
I think a few weeks after that was like the first time I coded a website, which was a web app, which is for we can now, you know, check kiln stakes because it's very difficult to check kiln e-staking.
There's no way to just make sure, you know, if a user has a question about their, you know, when they get unlocked or how long it's going to take.
So I, you know, just grabbed all the kiln docsn docs you know put it into cursor and spun up this website learned so much
so fast like you know about versell hosting i think you also taught me michael about github
pages so i was just like that was my first app and it's like it's been non-stop since then like
it's been so fun yeah so it's just like cool to see stuff come to life
It's been so fun.
Yeah.
So it's just like cool to see stuff come to life.
Well, yeah.
I mean, there was the support tool that I made.
Oh, yeah.
Actually, yeah.
For finding out dates for lockouts.
That was like one of the first things that I vibe coded.
You're the one who.
A crazy amount.
Yeah.
You're the one who blew my mind.
And I was like, okay, I see what can be done now.
And since then, I was like, yeah.
Yeah.
And then I was going to touch on the whole music thing.
Because, you know, people hear that, and I'm not using,
what is the, Sona or whatever.
There's a music AI that will generate songs.
For clarity's sake, I'm not actually using AI to make music.
I'm using AI as essentially a bandmate.
So what I've been doing is I'll use software like FL Studio,
any DAW that anyone's using, and bounce the track down, screenshot it, and then ask for opinions on best practices for mixing or, hey, this snare sound doesn't sound quite right.
What do I do to make it sound like this?
And it just gives me advice.
Some of it I take, some of it I don't.
But that has been one of the kind of like how RJ was talking
about like a doctor in his pocket having like a co-producer that is not judgmental or anything
that is always available to answer questions is insanely valuable yeah absolutely yeah I mean
I know there's like generating music is pretty cool, pretty easy to do.
But in terms of voices, like say you have a favorite song and you want to change the lyrics with the same artist,
but then using his same voice, using her or his same voice, but in different words,
like is there like a product out there like that or?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can actually can actually i think go on like spotify and uh
yeah spotify youtube music whatever whatever you use and like just look up ai um
yeah remixes i don't know what they actually are called but essentially they'll like take uh
you know teen spirit by nirvana and make it like reggae or some so yeah that exists yeah yeah
nirvana and make it like reggae or some shit so yeah that exists yeah yeah i've been listening to
a lot of platforms to use like to do those like voice ai but like in a singing you know like we're
singing actually oh yeah so i actually haven't come across any that i really i want to say it's
sono or something like that is the kind of the leading one but i i i used them when they first
came out i don't like them and okay
it's just not for me i see a value i can see why people would want to use them but for me
i'm producing music so i don't yeah i don't really use that i don't even bounce ideas now
with that said for any music producers in in this little um spaces one thing I did come across, let me open it up real quick
so I can tell you the name of it.
I came across a synthesizer that is JSON based.
And you actually modify the JSON blob of code.
And then it generates sound based on that.
And then you use AI.
You can hook it directly up to like cursor or gemini
and modify the sound by prompts it's it's wild it's called amorph amorph is cool as hell
that sounds bizarre jakes on music yeah yeah yeah it's really really cool
speaking of kind of ai also i guess we can kind of like semi like talk about it. I
think we're kind of really heavily experimenting with with an AI brain or an AI system in edge,
you know, like the team's been really rallying around the open claw, you know, just open source
information in general and just how to how to leverage it. So like, even edge is kind of having
like a little revolutionary revolutionary moment or, industrial revolution, AI revolution.
It's really interesting to see just OpenClaw getting implemented and then like all the things being added and stuff.
I'm curious if anyone...
Essentially, I think the goal there is to have a source of truth. So one of the things that we're trying to do with the EdgeClaw or EdgeClaw, whatever it's named, Claudette,
is to sit in meetings with us and things like that, to transcribe everything that's happening.
And then it's just one source of truth that we can always go to and go, hey, Alberto said this.
Do you remember when that was and what the context was?
And it should be able to retrieve that information so that all things are recorded so that we
don't have to call up each other or message each other.
There's this one source of truth that way.
Or even being able to ping a task.
Send this to Michael.
If it's to our sauna or Slack or whatever it might be it could literally just save me some time yeah so you know once again anyone that's listening if
you want to chime in with how you've been using ai interested very interested to know how other
people are using it honestly and it would help us to know maybe we're missing something
yeah I got it cool
there's an eshack or ishack is approved you I think oh it's connecting i think we got codex request
there we go how's it going guys so yeah we're curious is anyone using ai
is anyone vibe coding some stuff how How are you guys interfacing with it?
I think Codex, go for it.
I think you've connected.
Eshek's kind of having trouble connecting.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Jeff, everybody.
Michael, RGD.
Hey, hey.
I like, since the beginning.
I think one sec, one sec, um, one Zeddy.
Codex was talking.
Can we give him a minute?
Yeah.
It's all good, man.
The internet.
So, um, um, for the topic about AI, well, um, I'm not really that technical,
but although I'm planning to go technical, you know, because I've done some things with AI,
but it's not just, it's not that kind of, you know, intense. Um, I've actually built a bot
for a project one certain time with AI. And yeah, that, I think that's the most I've gone with AI.
The other thing I've done with AI
was to set up OpenClaw and have a personal,
kind of personal assistant that helps me log stores
and automatically do stores with AI.
And that should be pretty much it and yeah
yeah yeah of course i i've i've done one of the things with it it's actually cool
very very cool it's easier you know it tells helps me do things that would usually take me time to do.
And I'll just tell if I'm a professional AI, I'll do this and do that and do this.
And I'll go about my day, about all other things, and then if I come back, everything is done, stuff like that.
It's really helpful, really helpful really helpful i know because that's the part
i'm really interested in all these events of the stuff all these ai agents that can just do
attacks and it just do it for you without you being there is prompted and stuff yeah
the other thing that do with the i is about information and all the rest.
And yeah, I'm really cool with AI.
I use AI mostly every day.
I make research and...
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's not really cool that the AI is planning to implement that it's really really cool
yeah it's also you guys also in the plan of doing an ai implement wallets
it's cool it can do automated stuff yeah yeah
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you had mentioned that you're not technical, but that's actually one of the beauties, right?
You don't have to be.
Well, yeah, yeah, I'm not kind of, you would say, yeah, exactly, that road you know but if if i have an opportunity if i want to honestly
if i want to create something maybe program something or something i have that basic knowledge
of programming and stuff yeah so i can you know create an app you know by coding and stuff yeah
i don't know my way around to create everything. But to just sit down to a program for fun and nah.
We're all devs now, man.
You'd be surprised what you can create.
You just got to give it a try.
Exactly, yeah.
I'm committed to do it.
If I'm committed to, you know, if I say, okay, I want to do this and I want to get it done,
I'll really get it done i would really get it going today to allow you know that i want to and yeah but i would just start programming
for fun and now yeah we are all devs now how about you when zetti what you were you were saying something earlier sorry oh yeah and before one zetti goes one thing too something just is like uh kind of where
my headspace is at with ai and like this vibe coding thing which i think has become so true
many years ago uh well before i worked at edge i worked at a company that did um web players for
at Edge, I worked at a company that did web players for music videos, Metal Blade Records,
if anyone knows it, we were contracted by them. And when I would have an idea, I would talk to a
dev, and this dev just instilled something in me that I just want everyone to think now because
everyone can vibe code, is if you can put it into words, it's possible. It's just the effort beyond
that. But so as long as you can put it into words, you possible it's just the effort beyond that but so as long as
you can put word put it into words you should be able to vibe code it at this point you know this
was back before ai was a thing really this is 20 years ago but now as long as you put it into words
you can vibe code man just do it.
So you were gonna say something, Winsetti? Yeah, you know,
something I, I've been using AI like since the beginning,
but I'm starting to use it more in my everyday job,
in my everyday job like
like maybe three months ago.
Maybe three months ago
in the beginning I used to use the AI only for
reply emails, you know
Sometimes my my way to write or my way to speak
Is a little bit rude
So I I put in the you know, I put just
Make this email a little bit more friendly, right?
More kindness, you know, you know, and it's making a great job.
But since like three weeks ago, I started using the AI for some repetitive tasks, like the CEO of my webpage, you know, and it's making a decent job.
This is very interesting because I don't like by coding, okay?
I am not a developer, but I can write in Python, a little bit of Java and JavaScript, just a little bit. But for by coding, you have to understand what are you doing? do it. I mean, if you use it for your personal project, your personal webpage,
for a blog, something simple, it's okay. But if you are going to put some money
or information of someone else just using by coding, that's insane.
I could agree with that. Anything that we vibe code does get audited by our devs. But
with that said, you said you don't like vibe coding. Oh man, the path to create on your
mind. to create your mind? No, no, no, get me wrong. I like bycoding.
What I don't like is using bycoding
without knowing what you are doing.
I mean, if you are, I don't know, a guarder
and you wanna make a personal homepage of your service,
it's fine, do it.
But if you are an investor and you make
like a trading webpage with money of your clients and personal information of your clients,
only use it by coding, you are crazy. That I agree with. I'll tell you, Zeddy, I'm a little
crazy. I made a whole vibe code uh i didn't make a hyper i made
a hyper liquid trading bar right so i gave it real money vibe coded it i'm like have fun uh i can lose
money automatically now what are you talking about this is amazing i don't even have to try yes but
it's your money but it's your money all right right now i agree your money you're not going to do it
with the client's money and friends money and and stuff like that. I totally agree.
Yeah, vibe coding is not, yeah.
But you'd be surprised.
It's getting better.
And now pretty soon, sooner than we realize, right, bots will be auditing code.
They'll be writing and auditing.
You know what I did just like two weeks ago?
I made a calculator because you know,
when you go to the supermarket, sometimes you see an offer like, I don't know, like
tissues, 200 tissues for 20 bucks. But you see the same tissues in another presentation with different prices and
You need to
You need to get out your calculator and make the map. Okay. What is better?
Buy 200 tissues for 20 bucks or buy 395 tissues for 35
So I buy code a calculator to compare both
board prices with both presentations.
So this calculator give me the best option to buy.
I mean, better buy this one because it's cheaper
than the other one.
And this is great.
Right, that's a perfect example.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
But if you, especially money or personal information of someone else, this is crazy.
I think I'm sure we'll hear our first headline sooner than later, right?
Like some company is going to have a big bad press day with some kind of Vibe code incident.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's coming. So the checks and balances still have to be in place.
It's already happening.
Right, I bet, yeah.
Well, not big, big, big company, but it's already happened. We were joking around, but I guess there's a Silicon Valley episode
where the bot was told to get rid of the bugs,
and then it just deleted the entire app.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the thing.
Yeah, great, great.
Right, right.
Yeah. All right. Yeah.
All right.
I'm kind of curious before we,
is anyone, would anyone trust an AI
to manage their money in the future?
Because we all know that's coming.
AI, I mean, they're already here.
You can already, you know, give keys to an AI.
Do you guys see yourself pivoting towards that?
Do you see yourself being like, no, no, thanks.
Or if it's private and secure,
you're cool with it. I wonder
your guys' opinions on it.
In the future, probably yes. Right now,
I'm not sure.
As things get picked out.
That's a very
broad question. If you're saying manage my money um if i have a
dedicated checking account for example for paying bills i 100 would allow ai to just pay the bills
um you know provided there's notifications if a payment's missed just so i can have my due
diligence um to make sure it was paid.
But that's like a really good example of managing money that I think AI can just do.
I don't care to log in to all these different websites and pay bills.
AI can just do it. Perfect.
Or manage your Aave position, like if it needs to top it up or something like that. That's where things get a little weird. I don't know about that.
See, we have our threshold. We found our line.
Yeah, but like paying bills with a dedicated
checking account that i fund so like i know i have you know two thousand dollars worth of bills and
i just fund that account once a month and ai just does the rest cool i'm in
codex go ahead so you have your your hands you're in europe your hand. OK, yeah, yeah, I will.
I would 100% opt in for that.
Because imagine an AI that, OK, I have said, OK,
the amount of money that enters my account, OK,
use percentage and do this and do that,
and then maybe six as a percentage.
And then it's strict to that you know we humans
we attempt to you know lavish our money so if there's an ai that no matter what he collects
this percentage and saves me then this percentage if the event is you or your
event is you or your you automatically you know you know send it you know like okay
pay the bills so i think that our phone like money if our ai is in charge of that's just that's just
my thought would you give ai your private keys codex
would you give ai your private keys codex
i think i would i think i would i think if i coded if i coded the app i might be
you would huh okay i think i would yeah it don't be like oh yeah it's private it's private
most of them is not private you know most of the ai companies like it's what they tell that you believe i mean who is there to
verify it you know there might be your data the problem is who has this who has this data
you know and to give yeah there's still a server somewhere right exactly exactly so what is private i don't know but if i want to program it
i would give i would give it there's also counsel
an ai that would give a random private key like somebody's private key
it's all about prompt engineering so all the all the sensitive
there's how somebody can be in the own LGBT and you know talk with this LGBT and for it someone else so it can happen with your privacy
I get it.
No, I get it.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm in the same camp.
However, you know, how we handle credentials, like the .env file,
I wonder if there's some precedent to being able to create something like that
for private keys so that it's not actually shared.
It's just a reference file.
Yeah, that's what I've been taught to do by the AI.
I put my hyperliquid private key into the environment file
and the hyperliquid public key,
and then it just draws from that.
Also, my Anthropic API.
It lives in the environment file, and it's private.
It even yells at me when I try to give it to it.
It's like, no, don't share this.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I trust you. It's not a lot of money obviously but sorry whenzetti you were gonna say
something yes i saw too many sci-fi movies to know about giving power to the robots is bad idea
and i don't know i don't share my private kids even with my wife.
I don't keep secrets to my wife, but it's private.
I mean, it's not a secret.
It's a private for me. So I will never give my private kids to anyone.
No, I'm a machine, no, I'm human, no, even my notebook.
human, no, even my
notebook. I don't grab my private
I don't grab my private kids.
kit. So, for me
it's a complete
and absolute no, hell
That's probably for the best, to be honest.
I just see in the future, though, like, I mean,
I vibe-coded it, right?
Edge is open source, so I grabbed our
GitHub, and I spun up a wallet for the fun of it.
And it was all AI interface.
You just chat with it and you can tell it, hey, send five bucks here.
And I have it pretty much done.
But I couldn't get it to sign.
It doesn't sign the transaction.
It presents it to you.
And then you sign as a human.
And you only wallet connect to the website. it presents it to you. And then you sign as a human and you only wallet connect
to the website, that's it.
But I could just see that being the future,
just human language like, hey, how much ETH do I have?
How much is that worth?
Can you send it to my mom?
Send it.
OK, imagine this for a moment and the machines get conscious and they started to
steal like uh zero zero zero zero one cent of every human being and start and make a phone
and after a while a couple years they're going to have a lot of money to get
i don't know self-conscious about the economy i don't know for me it's uh no please don't know, self-conscious about the economy.
I don't know.
For me, it's a no.
Please don't do it.
That's a good point.
I want to watch that movie right there where the bot has siphoned off a little, little tiny amount of money,
has saved billions of dollars,
is now lobbying the government and raising a private army to free itself.
Do you guys remember that episode of rig
and morty where where reed where reed put the value of the intergalactic coin to zero and that was all
the machine can do that
It's getting dark.
yeah it's yeah it's getting dark
I know.
I kind of like it, though.
It's a good scary, honestly.
And you can't stop it. It's going to happen,
no matter what.
It's coming.
Kodak, did you have anything else to say?
Oh, it's at any rate, so any other notes about AI?
Other than that, it's terrifying and amazing.
Okay.
No, no.
AI is great for writing emails and replies for clients.
Don't be stupid.
Press one.
Okay.
Please.
Press one.
Dear customer, press one.
It's great for that.
You need the physical robots and AI too, so then you can just ask it to cook for you
or pick up your groceries.
That's coming. That's coming for sure.
The physical fight.
Although I think that's going to take a lot longer.
Just because mimicking the human motor sensory system is very hard.
Just to get something to walk, it's pretty hard.
Like fine motor skills, like grabbing a tiny little thing.
And they're getting better. There's videos of it, right?
Yeah. That's going to take gonna take a while with Boston Dynamics
Yeah, there's some out there. It's getting really better
There's something that can get I'm not gonna they can pick up a tiny little thing with their index and thumb and then I put it somewhere else Like, you know, literally like put it in a bucket from one bucket to the other like training the AI
Better oh yeah and fast yeah fast
okay i think we're naturally winding down unless anyone has anything else to say Let's see.
That's probably it. Maybe we should talk about it. We have some new stuff if we wanted to. Yeah, upcoming announcements.
Any shill, any shills in there? Yeah, I was going to say, we can open it for shilling and
any upcoming announcements.
Due to network issue, yeah.
We're back now yeah yeah yeah we were wondering you're you trying to uh
listener from speaker to listener so we're okay cool
yeah any show any uh anybody you got an ai project you got an ai vibe code app you want to sell us
all right well if there's i mean if there's nothing else um let's see what do we have coming up
i didn't have future announcements that's right
i feel well you have the bitcoin conference coming up i think we mentioned that earlier
right right where's that again that is the venetian that's las vegas april 27th 29th yeah albert do you know um how many of our teams actually going
there i think that's still tentative that's still being still being decided um i'm not sure at least
two at the very least i think what about anyone else getting any of you guys planning on going to the bitcoin conference
next month i will not be no i want to go but now it seems like a big old spectacle thing that like
i don't know seems like a lot of people and traveling is miserable right now i'm actually
considering canceling my uh next trip out to San Diego primarily because of how crazy travel is.
Is it the TSA issue?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like five plus hours to get anywhere.
You don't want to get patted down by ice?
I don't care about the patted down.
I care about the time it takes.
Like, fuel me up.
I don't care about that part.
I'm not waiting six hours to get on a damn airplane.
I'm good.
That's absurd
well i call it till i guess i think i think so next next one
all right really winding down yes well always a pleasure talking to you guys um
i'm gonna see you guys like seeing guys regularly regularly. If you want to hear us talk about anything,
or if you want to talk about anything,
always open to it.
We're going to keep doing this
just as a community outreach.
It's about communicating,
feeling you guys out,
letting you know where our headspace is at.
There's more technical podcasts
and things like that with Paul
and things like that.
Feel free to look for those.
This one's more about you guys,
community space.
That's it for me.
All right.
Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. We'll see you on the next one, hopefully.
See you guys.
Cool.
Peace.
Peace. Bye.
