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Edge x Bridgeless AMA: Private BTC Swaps Now Live + The Future of Confidential Layer
Recorded: Sept. 23, 2025 Duration: 1:20:54Space Recording
Short Summary
Edge Wallet has officially launched its integration with Bridgeless, enabling users to swap Bitcoin for BTCX, a private version of Bitcoin on the Xano blockchain. This groundbreaking development enhances user privacy and opens new avenues for financial transactions, marking a significant step forward in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. all right welcome everybody thank you for joining the edge and bridgeless ama today we're gonna be
talking about private bitcoin swaps now live in Edge and
the future of confidential layers. So we have Bridgless and Paul Pui with Edge, the CEO and
co-founder, and then Sal the agorist will be moderating today. So I want to say hi guys.
What's up? What's up guys? Hello everybody. Exciting announcement. Happy to have everyone
over here to join us in this new announcement and feature set.
That's going to be great for the Xano community.
Why don't you hit us with what it is, Paul?
What is the announcement?
All right.
Well, you know, we like to take things that are kind of complicated and kind of broken
up into multiple steps and put it all into Edge, into one simple spot where you can accomplish a lot of what you need to do with
crypto. So just launched today, you can now download the latest version of edge. And you
can actually bridge your Bitcoin into BTCX on the Xano blockchain. And so for those that don't know
what BTCX is, it is a pegged a token on the Xano blockchain that is pegged in value to Bitcoin, to BTC.
And then now, and of course, well, what does that mean?
Because, you know, people have been able to bridge Bitcoin into like wrap Bitcoin on Ethereum.
But now you can actually send Bitcoin with the full privacy of Xano, which is about Monero level privacy.
For those that are familiar more with Monero than Xano, you get that level of privacy.
But with an asset that obviously a lot of people do care about
from the viewpoint of actually storing value,
you can now transact it.
And this is a key part of what Bridgelist brings
to the ecosystem.
But now you don't have to go to a website
like Confidential Air and link your wallet
and do multiple steps all inside Edge.
You just say, I wanna convert this amount of Bitcoin
into BTCX. It does it for you all in the background just one step and you're done
and that that bitcoin then rise on the xeno blockchain in other words yeah exactly then
once you receive the btcx you know bitcoin uh token on xeno you can then send and receive it
to other people that have xeno addresses you know, and this pairs nicely with our auto detect tokens feature,
which I'm not sure if many of you are aware of.
If you just have a Xano wallet and you give someone your Xano address,
if you receive any tokens on your Xano address that Edge whitelists,
the token automatically shows up.
There's no need to put in the asset ID, you know, contract address,
whatever you want to call it.
Edge just detects that, oh, this person received the token,
even if they weren't aware, well,
we'll just go and show it to them.
And so the two combined make for a pretty seamless experience
to be able to transact Bitcoin privately.
I have a million questions and a million things I want to say,
but I think we have somebody from Bridgeless with us,
I think we have somebody from Bridgeless with us, am I correct?
am I correct?
Paging Bridgeless, are you here?
Yes.
Anyone there?
I know they're here.
Yeah, they're clearly here.
They're showing us here.
Maybe some audio issues on their side.
I've heard that they'd be joining us today, and they're up here on stage.
Maybe they're still brewing their coffee in the morning.
Yeah, I finally finished mine.
I've got my cup, my fresh cup right here.
Let's see now.
All right.
I'll reach out to Bridgless, and we'll get them back on.
But, yeah, feel free to keep going.
They said one sec.
Yeah, because this is actually huge.
So this is what I – guys, I've been telling everybody about the need for privacy.
And so is Paul.
And we've been pushing these cypherpunk core values.
So this is an enormous step in the right direction, because now you're adding a layer of anonymity
to a pseudonymous blockchain, which is absolutely revolutionary as far as I'm concerned.
is absolutely revolutionary as far as I'm concerned.
I guess my question, Paul, is like with Bridgless, you're starting with BTCX.
Do you have plans to move to other pseudonymous chains, like say like Ethereum or something like that?
Yeah, and this is where I really love the Bridgless team to help chime in on here.
So we started, we wanted to support all the assets, but there were some technical challenges
in supporting anything other than Bitcoin to start off with.
And in my recollection, like, you know, although I'm a developer, I didn't code the implementation
of a Bridgelist in our app.
I have to give thanks to one of our other developers, Matt Pichet, on that one. But my understanding was that Bitcoin was the only asset that only required one blockchain transaction in order to bridge both ways.
You know, from Bitcoin to the Xano blockchain, BTCX and back.
Whereas Ethereum requires two transactions and you have to wait some amount of time between them. Like, for example, if you want to bridge Ethereum into Xano, you have to send an Ethereum transaction
and then you wait for a while until that achieves some number of confirmations.
And then you have to create another transaction.
I can't remember if that's on the Xano blockchain or on the Ethereum blockchain,
but on one of them, you create this other transaction and then the funds get withdrawn onto the Xano blockchain or on the Ethereum blockchain, but on one of them, you create this other transaction and then the funds get withdrawn onto the Xano blockchain. Piecing those two together is not a
great user experience. You don't want to have to swap, issue a swap and come back an hour later
in order to then complete the swap. To our understanding, and this is where hopefully
the virtual team can chime in on this, to our understanding, and this is where hopefully the virtual team can chime in on this,
to our understanding this is something that they're aware of,
they're looking at fixing,
and once it can become a one transaction operation,
then we'd absolutely love to get it into Edge,
support ETH as well as support any other assets as well.
So I guess while we're waiting for them to join us,
let's go inside the user's mind.
I open up my Edge wallet and I want to convert my BTC to BTCX.
How do I do it? What does that process look like from the user's end?
Yeah, it looks just like a swap.
So for those familiar with Edge and not too different from other apps and wallets,
there's an exchange button on the bottom right, you know, when you first launch the app. And from there, you pick a source wallet
and a destination wallet. And I presume, obviously, if you want to swap Bitcoin to BTCX, you have to
have some Bitcoin on there. The minimums are relatively high, you know, for swapping Bitcoin
to BTCX and back. It's about a little over $500.
So the minimums, yeah, you're not swapping like five bucks.
And this is out of our control.
This is just one of the blockchain, you know, the bridgeless blockchain limitations.
Maybe that'll go down over time, might go up, hard to say.
But you basically just choose your source wallet, which, you know, presumably be a Bitcoin
wallet.
And then you choose a destination wallet, which even if you don't have Xano or BTCX enabled,
you can still choose it and it'll automatically create
a Xano wallet and automatically enable BTCX,
and then you'll get a quote.
You say how much you want to swap,
you'll get a quote.
If it's below that, what is it?
Point, I can't remember, 0.005 Bitcoin.
It'll tell you, sorry, this is the minimum you need in order to swap.
And then you just choose that amount, you can slide to confirm,
and then you receive your BTCX, I think about six confirmations later,
about after six confirmations on the Bitcoin blockchain.
So it's pretty simple. It's just like swapping any other coin.
Do we have anybody from Bridgeless uh yeah you guys finish brewing
your coffee yet you're with us you're alive you're awake yes sorry i had some sound issues so thank
you thank you for uh for inviting me first of all uh i'm here to basically talk on behalf of
bridgeless about the whole ecosystem and how how things work with the confidential layer and the rest of the ecosystem happy to be there excellent because we have a million questions for
you at least i i certainly do um i guess to start off can you just break down what bridge list is
sure so essentially a bridge list is uh an interoperability focused L1.
So it's a layer one blockchain, which basically builds railroads for interoperability paths
that were not explored or not available to users before,
such as paths from Bitcoin blockchain to EVM blockchains or to privacy blockchains or all between like solana or
tone between all the all the various chains that were not accessible easily before
okay so so i'm i'm actually an idiot so when you say a layer one blockchain, I think like, you know, a bit like a Bitcoin or something like that.
How, how is it? How are you guys? I don't want to get too technical, I guess, but how does it,
how does it work? How are you, how are you bridging, you know, different coins on one layer,
one chain? Sure. So essentially there are centralized parties that were doing this,
essentially there are centralized parties that were doing this such as WBTC from Justin Sun or
from Tron and what we do is we created a layer one blockchain with decentralized validator set
which signs threshold signature transaction to basically lock assets on one chain and create them on another chain with one-to-one backing.
That's the mechanism.
That actually does make sense.
Historically, bridges have been attacked and stuff like that.
What sort of architecture are you guys using to uh
prevent that from happening i guess so essentially the the most secure way to uh to do this is just
to scale the decentralization and scale the validator set so the network is uh the network
has a decentralized set of validators which sign transactions and prevent it from being attacked.
It's like the attack vectors for the bridges such as our chain is the same as for other blockchains as well okay and how do you how do you guys make sure that you know btcx is you know truly one-to-one
with with bitcoin and and remains secure well essentially it's uh it's all written it's all
written in the architecture where uh to emit an asset on another chain there has to be one-to-one backing on the source chain.
And the assets on the source chain are released only when the bridged assets are burned.
So there's a mechanism of basically creating assets and burning assets when the asset is
either locked or released on the source chain.
Okay, I have one more stupid question for you.
How is Bridgeless different from Confidential Layer?
Yeah, so Bridgeless is a layer-run blockchain
which builds railroads for all these transactions and
confidential layer basically offers a viable solution to bundle these
transactions together and provide viable end paths for users.
So for example if you want to send Bitcoin on Bitcoin blockchain and
receive Ether on Ethereum blockchain,
in that case, what Bridgeless does is that it locks the Bitcoin on the source chain and
emits Bitcoin X on the Ethereum chain. And then Confidential Layer bundles this transaction
transaction with with the swap of Bitcoin X to ether so the user for users it's seamless and
they just get the end asset that they were looking for thanks to confidential layer right right no
Paul is this is this something that's only for like hardcore cypherpunks or is this something that you know everyday users
can can use and will it will it benefit them as well if it was only for hardcore cypherpunks almost
certainly edge wouldn't uh have integrated it at this point we're looking for we like to take
things that start off as tools for hardcore cypherpunks. But if we see the path to make it mass adoptable,
that's when we integrate it.
And that's where we're at with Bridgeless.
You know, we saw that we can integrate it in a way,
even though it's not a small amount of effort,
but we're able to integrate it such
that it just looks like a swap.
Now, granted, you're swapping like-kind assets,
Bitcoin for BTCX, but it just feels like a normal swap
that you would do on a regular basis.
So that's what we were aiming to do.
And I think that's what we've delivered.
Now, what does it bring to the normal users?
Really, yeah, the ability to transact what is normally a full government surveillance
coin, right?
Even though it's got great value, it's a total surveillance coin.
Now we can actually transact it privately.
And we haven't publicly announced this. I guess this
will be our first public announcement of this news. But with the launch of BTCX, everyone at
Edge will have the option of getting paid in BTCX as opposed to Bitcoin. Right now everyone's paid
in Bitcoin. But of course, it's transparent. In some ways, peers or Edge itself can see when that money moves, you know, and what addresses
it moves to by receiving people's pay and, you know, payroll paycheck in BTCX.
We have no visibility and nobody else has any visibility of what happens with that money.
Even if all that happens is it gets bridged back to Bitcoin and sold into a bank account.
Only that user that received that BTCX would know that no one one else, not even us, as the company that pays our staff members.
So that is just fundamentally important for financial privacy.
It's what we've mandated out of even the banking system, right?
We've mandated that when we get paid,
our employer doesn't know where the money goes after that.
And so we're at least living up to that and exceeding it
because now we have true cryptographic privacy from everyone.
And there's no bank that knows what happens to that money.
Edge is, you know, the leading in the entire crypto industry.
Few people are on the cutting edge of privacy as much as Edge Wallet is.
So you would be a great guy to answer this question.
And I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but what's the future of privacy look like?
Where are we going to be in five, ten years?
If we're already bridging pseudonymous chains on the Zeno blockchain, where are we going to be in five or ten years?
I mean, the possibilities seem sort of endless from my perspective.
Yeah, I think people will realize that the transparent chains just don't cut it from a transactional point of view.
I think most of the ecosystem of crypto is still speculative.
And with it being speculative, they're like, OK, well, I'm just trading it, go up and down in value.
as a privacy issue because you're not sending and receiving peer-to-peer funds and effectively
enabling someone else to see their balance and see their future transactions and past transactions.
Once we transition into more of a utility type of ecosystem where we're using crypto,
spending crypto, kind of like we did over at Porkfest, right, Sal? So once you're doing that,
in crypto kind of like we did over at pork fest right sal so once you're doing that
once uh the masses open their eyes to like holy i just spent some you know eth on the eth blockchain
and who i spent it to can see all of my nfts and see all of my balances of every token and all of
my loan positions on ave and you know what i've been swapping on DEXs, that becomes a deal breaker.
And once again, it's a prediction, but this is my prediction.
That becomes a deal breaker.
And now people start holding their assets in privacy chains such as Xano.
We might still be using transparent chains for DeFi, although there are some layer one
smart contract platforms that have privacy. But even if we didn't use those, by at least
holding our funds in a privacy blockchain like Xano, and then only using the transparent chains
for when we need to do some kind of a DeFi operation, like, hey, I want to swap, right?
Then it comes right back, and then you fold in a transparent blockchain. That finally is what I
think our future is. And I think people wake up to it once we start actually transacting crypto
so we have somebody from zeno is here um i'm not sure who we have from the team here but
i would love to uh i don't know if you guys are by your mic or whatever, but I'd love to know what role the Xeno blockchain plays in enabling BTCX.
Is there anybody there from Xeno who can answer that question?
Hey, guys.
Sorry, I just joined.
I'm Gobbat.
And, yeah, really, really excited to see this. this and yeah, awesome to see on Edge.
So could you repeat your question again?
I was off the mic.
So what role does Xeno play in enabling BTCX?
Well, BTCX is a confidential asset created on Zeno. So it was created using a
decentralized process. So no one actually owns BTCX. It's just controlled by the bridgeless
blockchain and confidential layer. And so yeah, so thanks to it being a confidential asset
it shares all the technologies that secure xano itself as well as all other confidential assets
and the cool thing about it is that in xano like you have the amount concealed sender receiver and
also the asset type so whenever you make a xeno transaction
no one can actually tell which asset you are transacting so you can be transacting with native
xeno some other confidential asset or btcx and it wouldn't matter because um it's concealed on the
blockchain so the more people use confidential access And the more confidential assets there are,
the better the privacy base is.
And how does, I know this is sort of,
I don't know how new some of the listeners might be.
How does confidential layer ensure that these swaps,
you know, are non-custodial and decentralized?
I think this is a better question for the
bridge-less person.
As I mentioned before, it's basically thanks to
the decentralized validator set. The same way
as nodes operate on other layer-1 blockchain, the same way
it operates on bridge-less, where there is a set of validators which signs a threshold signature and with that
signature it's basically the assets on the source chain are sealed in a
decentralized way and emitted on another chain in a decentralized way, either on Xeno or on EVM or on other blockchains.
Okay. All right. Now, let me ask you another kind of stupid question here.
Clone. What is the clone token? Does it play a role in this at all?
this at all uh give me the one-on-one on clone sure so clone is essentially a token that represents
Give me the one-on-one on clone.
the uh it's a yield bearing token uh which uh gets a part of a part of the fees from the uh from
bridgeless and from uh bridging to confidential layer so essentially people can
participate in the uh in the fee revenue by acquiring and staking clone that's the main
purpose of clone okay is there a minimum to stake not really it's i'm i'm not even sure if there is
any minimum but i guess it's either like one token or something really small.
Yeah, shouldn't be a case.
Oh, and one more thing.
I just got a message from my colleague.
While I had my microphone off, there was an information that the minimum transaction for Bitcoin is about $500 or $600.
So as of now, in the following days, we will be reducing that to $20.
So the minimum to...
If I want to bridge from BTC to BTCX,
right now the minimum I'd have to do at least 500 in other words
well it used to be that way but in following days the minimum will be reduced to 20 dollars
so it's it's in the world it's it's something that we basically planned out today to be executed in
the following days so very soon it will be possible to transfer from $20 or more.
So this really is something that everyday users can benefit from.
Yeah, for sure.
You can essentially use that to basically buy your VPN or just for any kind of small transactions as well, not just for the large transfers.
well, not just for the large transfers.
Now, what makes this integration with Edge wallet
different from other wallets or other privacy tools?
This isn't available anywhere else, is it?
No, not as of now.
It's only available through the confidential layer UI
or within wallets.
It's right now available only with Edge.
And how it differs from other privacy
solutions is the ease of use because if you if you're familiar with other popular solutions such
as maybe a railgun or tornado or anything else it's quite difficult you basically need to you usually need to do a lot of a lot of
Setting up and it takes time and the the transfer is not quick as well
While with edge, it's all in one place. So the whole process should be very easy for
for any kind of user
Anything you want to add to that, Paul?
First, I want to pre-apologize for folks because once the minimum amount
that you can bridge over is reduced to $20,
we still have to update the app
so people might be stuck with that $500 minimum
for maybe a couple weeks
until we get a new version of the app updated.
We just pushed it out,
and so as people might know,
it's not like a website you can update just on the fly. Updating apps is a bit more of a tedious process.
But yeah, no, we're very excited. You know, hopefully people want to bridge 500 bucks anyway
because that way you bridge it once and you spend your little small amount on various services and
pay people back and whatnot and then just bridge large chunks at a time. But yes, for those who
want to just play around with it,
we'll definitely reduce that minimum within our next release.
Nice, nice.
Yeah, because that's actually huge, you know, to go from 500 to 20.
I always think about Irish Adam, my co-host from the subversive spectrum.
Like, he's not a crypto guy, you know, and he still works in 9 to 5.
And, like, my question in question my mind is can adam figure this
out you know what i mean you know he'd be a good test ask him say hey you know try to convert some
bitcoin into btcx and see how we how we fares and of course we're always open to feedback
you know we don't track users in our app there isn't like analytics on every tap and click that
you have and so getting the direct feedback from people is super valuable.
But now, it's as simple as just a regular swap on Edge.
I swap on Edge three times a day.
It's as simple as just a regular swap, am I correct?
Yep, exactly. Just a regular swap.
Probably the one thing that a lot of users will call us about that they're just not as accustomed to.
And we let them know inside the app when they swap into a token.
I know it's called a confidential asset in Bridgeless and Xano, you know, in other chains, it is called tokens.
But when you swap into a token, you do have to be aware that you will need the native L1 token,
frequently called the gas token, in order to send that money in the future.
So you'll need a little bit of Xano. And so while you might have swapped your 500 bucks worth of
Bitcoin into the Xano blockchain for BTCX, you'll also need to swap a little bit into Xano if you
don't already have some. Luckily, Xano is pretty cheap. Five bucks will go a long way to send a
bunch of transactions, but you do need some of it. So the app will tell you, hey, by the way, you're going to need some
Xano to send this in the future, including being able to bridge it back. So if you need to bridge
BTCX back into Bitcoin, you'll need a little bit of Xano to be able to send that transaction.
But other than that, I think it's a pretty smooth process.
Guys, if you have any questions for Edge or Bridgeless or zeno or me uh hop in here and
we're gonna i have a few more questions but we're going to move to questions relatively soon
um did you want to did you want to say something cj i thought i heard you chime in there yeah sure
so i just i just wanted to follow up that probably there will be a promotional period while we launch it since it's all in pretty early stages.
So we need to test everything out and see how it handles the volume.
And during this kind of grace period, there will probably not be any ZANO needed
for finishing the first transaction, for getting Xeno on your Xeno wallet,
for the bridging of asset itself.
However, you will still need Xeno
to basically move it around
after you receive it on the Xeno wallet.
So now, like, from the perspective of, like,
you know, a cypherpunk or somebody who values privacy,
what makes this different than
something like tornado cash or like a traditional mixer how does it compare and contrast the two
for me there's there's there's two there's two directions first direction is that it's uh easier
to use in general it's like uh it's it's a very easy process, especially if
it's implemented in a wallet like it is in case of Edge wallet. So it's much
easier, it's much more user-friendly and it's much more viable for adoption or
for widespread use, first of all. And second of all, if you use something like Tornado, you're basically limited to one asset.
You just mix Ether with other Ethers, and it takes time. However, with Bridgeless and Confidential
Layer, you can transfer any assets. You can basically, any assets we list. So for example,
if we list DAI or USDT or any other asset, you can also bridge
these assets as a confidential assets or just as X assets on other blockchains. So you're not
limited by a set of assets. You can do it with any asset. You can do it from any chain that we support.
So in general, it's much more viable for the widespread use
and for user adoption for anyone who wants to integrate,
for example, privacy in their protocol or in their wallet.
Basically, any other app can integrate confidential air
in Chile as a one-stop solution for privacy.
as a one-stop solution for privacy.
Yeah, I'm curious to see how this affects the persecution of, you know, Alexei Percev
and Roman Storm because, you know, they're being attacked for these mixing services that
are at this point sort of outdated and unnecessary.
So, it'd be curious to see how this plays out um how this
affects their their cases yeah i it's it's a very curious curious case and we see that basically the
regulators sort of walk back some of their harsh decisions on on these on these entities however
on these entities. However, with Bridgeless there's an important distinction that
Bridgeless has a composable privacy. It's not just privacy, it's interoperability
L1 and it focuses on bridging to various places where it was not
possible, various roads that were not possible previously.
Similarly to like bridging just from Bitcoin blockchain to Ethereum blockchain,
there are very limited solutions to do that.
So in a decentralized way.
So essentially, privacy is composable there.
It means that, for example, if somebody has a problem with a specific privacy
chain, Bridgeless can operate without that chain and it can include other chains. So as long as
there are chains that are willing to work with us and which are basically not forbidden or not on some kind of blacklist, we can integrate them.
I also wanted to add that compared to coin joins,
one thing I like a lot is that once you swap to private Bitcoin,
that's it.
You don't need to worry about it.
Meanwhile, with coin joins,
you still need to worry about what you do next
because you could basically undo
the coin join if you spend the wrong output, like do coin control and that kind of stuff.
But with BTCX, because it's on Xano, which is private by default, everything you do there
is private and you're protected and you don't need to worry about it.
Guys, if you're just hopping into space we are uh celebrating i guess you could say
um edge wallet the number one privacy focused mobile wallet is uh has launched uh integration
with bridgeless which enables people to swap btc for btcx which is a sort of private version of
bitcoin that rides on the Zeno blockchain.
This is a monumental moment in the movement for privacy.
And if you're just someone who values financial sovereignty in general, this is a huge moment.
So this is what I've been telling people about for a long time.
I know Paul's been sounding the alarm as well the the need for privacy
Obviously the guys that Zeno has been doing this
If you have any questions guys, let us know hop in here
Maybe Elizabeth could
sort of parse out who wants to hop in first or
Seconds, but it would be wonderful to hear from you guys and see what you guys think about this.
Yeah, let's see.
We'll add a few people in and if you are wanting to ask questions, go ahead and send a request
and we'll get you in.
You know, I want to chime in on an extra little feature of using BTCX.
While you also get privacy, you also get reduced fees and faster transactions.
We kind of forget about that, right?
Like that's actually an important feature of Xano in the sense that transactions confirm
in well under 10 minutes, if not, I think a two-minute block time.
Someone from Xano, correct me if I'm wrong.
So you get about a two-minute block time.
And we've all seen, not we all, but, you know, Sal, you go far back enough to remember
when fees on Bitcoin were like $50, right?
One transaction.
Xano blockchain being, you know, a faster, leaner blockchain, you're usually paying cents to send a transaction.
And so, you know, I didn't even think about that, Paul.
That's a really good point.
Yeah, it's like it makes Bitcoin actually transactable on multiple levels.
Obviously, number one, the most important, make it private.
And number two, make it fast and cheap.
The narrative of a lot of the Bitcoin forks back in the 2017, 2018 Bitcoin wars,
civil war of like, hey, we want faster and cheaper.
Well, this bridging opportunity kind of gives you that.
And in a way, I mean, I haven't been a big fan.
Publicly, I've stated I'm not a big fan of Lightning. And Lightning requires kind of the
same process that you would need in order to use BTCX. You first have to take your on-chain Bitcoin
and then turn it into another kind of asset that has a pegged value to Bitcoin. And then you
transact with it and then take it off if you wanted to onto the main chain.
Whereas the nice thing about doing it on Xano is you don't have to deal with this routing
problem of lightning.
And as well, if someone has no Bitcoin, no BTCX, they have no crypto, I can send you
BTCX.
You don't have to have anything.
You don't have to open this channel with incoming liquidity in order to receive money.
So it works just like other blockchains.
So we've got the trifecta of what you need to make Bitcoin transactable here.
And I'm really excited about that from that point of view.
This is one of the reasons why I'm so like full tilt on zeno because um you know think
about the the just the the amount of assets the the the i don't even know how to say this but like
the the total dollar amount of assets that are in bitcoin that can now be made private because of
zeno like if you're not bullish oneno, you're not paying attention at this point.
Yeah, one thing I want to add in terms of utility of Xassets,
that it's not only limited to privacy.
With Xassets, given that Bridgeless is an L1 with its own ecosystem,
there are opportunities of higher yield on Bitcoin inside the
bridge less, essentially facilitating the swaps between BTC and BTCX and getting
yield from the transactions that occur in these paths. And also other
pools, maybe even on other EVM blockchains. So essentially you can
bridge your Bitcoin to ZANO as BTCX and then you can withdraw BTCX to EVM blockchains. So essentially you can bridge your Bitcoin to ZANO as BTCX and then
you can withdraw BTCX to EVM blockchains or to Bridgeless and use it for yield or for even
faster and cheaper transactions. Oh, okay. Yeah, right. And you're not even talking about clone.
You're talking about going to like a Ethereum or something like that.
You can go either to Bridgeless or you can go to Ethereum or to Solana, to Tone.
Essentially, you can go to any chain that Bridgeless connects with its assets.
So, and by going there, you essentially preserve the privacy because you're already withdrawing from Xeno, right?
So, you already bridge to Xeno
and then you're withdrawing the private Bitcoins
and you can use them on other chains
and you can use them to get yield on your BTC
or on your other assets
that Bridgeless and Confidential Layer will support.
You know, I would say this is almost like,
you know, you guys are almost saving BTC
because again, you know, it's making it private, fast and cheap, which is everything that guys like me have always wanted from BTC.
And we were so critical of the Bitcoin community for not having those features.
And now they do.
But at the same time, I almost feel like it's more bullish for Zeno as far as I'm concerned.
it's more bullish for zeno as far as i'm concerned
well depends it depends on the on the usage and burn of of zeno because essentially the split of
fees from all this process is divided between bridgeless and confidential layer is clone, clone stakers, and between the liquidity providers who facilitate
the swap between BTC and BTCX. So it's like it adds yields to Bitcoin, it adds productivity
to all these assets, and it adds for users an option how to just get better returns on their holdings okay okay yeah no i
this is one of the biggest biggest announcements in the privacy world that i can remember
i'm i'm really curious about the um the liquidity provision um obviously a lot of people including
myself want to be able to you know earn earn earn passive yield on funds that we're not actively using. What would what is the user
experience expected to be like for people to provide liquidity? Do they have to run a validator?
Can they delegate to a validator? You know, is it going to be like providing liquidity on the
Thor chain or a Uniswap? Maybe you can walk us through what the expected user experience will be like.
And of course, that helps us decide what we can integrate into Edge
and if we can fit that into the user experience in our app
to help build the liquidity for people to go into and out of assets
using Bridgelist and Cloud Financial Layer.
Sure, awesome question. So essentially it will be much easier. It will be more, it will be similar to how it works with adding liquidity to Uniswap or to any other AMM pool.
Sure. Awesome question.
So essentially, it will be much easier.
half from your bitcoin to bitcoin x and then you add liquidity of basically two bitcoin assets
which cannot really have like an impermanent loss as long as they're packed one-to-one so
you're providing liquidity but you don't get the impermanent loss risk that you usually get in this
kind of pools however you still get the yield
got it now is that what is currently happening in bridgeless is there people that are providing liquidity for btc and btcx or is it just a lock and mint and then you know burn and unlock process
i was curious like you know where is the liquidity getting used especially in the case of two similar assets
yeah so uh right now it's just it's just uh minting and burning however uh the the part of the bridgless ecosystem which provides this amm infrastructure is already built so it's just
waiting for listing the pair and allowing people to add liquidity there.
I see.
And what are some pairs that you expect to,
maybe they're already launched,
or if they're not,
then which ones would be launched
that you'd want the audience here
to help contribute liquidity for?
So first of all,
the largest liquidity pool,
I think, will be between WBTC and BTCX, since
some people will want to bridge not just from Bitcoin, but from WBTC.
And second of all, it will be BTCX and Ether, because some people want to go from Bitcoin to EVM chains but they want to receive
Ethereum rather than BTCX there because let's say they want to use DeFi and then they want to
go back to Bitcoin from DeFi in that case they just swap their Ethereum to BTCX and then they
unwrap it and get the native Bitcoin. And that's BTCX on Ethereum or BTCX on then they unwrap it and get the native Bitcoin.
And that's BTCX on Ethereum or BTCX on Xano that you're providing liquidity for?
On Xano, it's impossible to provide liquidity.
So all these pools are run on the Bridgeless blockchain.
And Bridgeless blockchain is EVM blockchain. So it's compatible with any kind of EVM infrastructure.
Got it that's actually news to me as well so Bridgless itself is an EVM
blockchain similar to a Ethereum. Okay yeah I mean guys if you're listening to
this and you're like you're lost in the technical jargon just understand that I
also am like not a technical guy but it is as simple as going into edge wallet
and swapping your btc for btcx from the user perspective that's all you really need to know
um and the other thing too is get some clone it sounds like clone this is this is pretty
bullish for clone as well no well clone will be the main value accrual or the main receiver of the fees from this
whole process.
Since every time there is a minting or redemption event, there's some fee and these fees are
split between the bridgeless and the confidential Air where they receive it. In Bridgeless, it's for notes,
and in Confidential Air, it's for clone stakers.
So the entry point to receive a portion of the fees
is much easier with clone,
since you can basically buy small amount of clones,
take it and receive a portion of fees
that are paid by by users
where can people pick up some clone uh right now it's not yet listed because we are we are looking to have a pg pretty soon maybe in the end of end of october um as far the team planned and at the moment there will be
probably some kind of pre-market or maybe some kind of small sales,
small private sales of that and after the listing there will be
possibility to acquire it either on Bridgeless blockchain or on Ethereum blockchain or maybe
on some centralized exchanges depending on how team decides with those things.
Cool, cool. All right, now Paul, what sort of like when you were sort of integrating
Bridgeless's cross-chain functionality, what sort of, was this like a technical hurdle for you guys?
It sounds like very complicated from a technical perspective.
Was this difficult to integrate?
I wouldn't call it necessarily hugely difficult,
mainly because our team has integrated a ton of
different bridges and DEXs already.
We were one of the earliest to support ThorChain, Maya Protocol, various DEX aggregators
like Rango Exchange, LeFi.
So it fit into the frameworks that we've already built for this type of operation, this kind
of feature.
What made it a little bit different, I call it, with some small challenges was something I
know that the Bridgeless team is working on.
And so CJ, you can correct me if I'm wrong, was that I think after, for example, if you
want to send Bitcoin and turn it into BTCX, you send a Bitcoin transaction to the specific
address that comes out of Bridgeless.
And then you have to wait six confirmations.
And then you have to send not a blockchain transaction, but you have to send a message to the chain, which is like an API call. And we had to actually create some infrastructure to make that API call on behalf of the user. It doesn't require keys. So we have no control over keys of the user. We just almost like have to poke the chain and say, by the way, withdraw the money for the user and send it out in BTCX.
It's like just a tiny little poke, but we did have to spin that up.
And my understanding is that's something that is just currently necessary, but hopefully something that gets deprecated in the future where the chain just realizes it needs to send out the BTCX.
in the future where the chain just realizes it needs to send out the BTCX.
And we don't have to poke it after six confirmations and vice versa, too.
When you go from BTCX back to Bitcoin, we have to poke the chain after you get some number of Xano confirmations.
And so that made it, you know, like not so challenging.
Like we spun up that infrastructure in a day.
in a day. It's like a day's worth of engineering, but it was a bit non-standard.
You know, it's like a day's worth of engineering, but it was a bit nonstandard.
And if you know our ethos, we really don't want to run servers that facilitate transactions in
any way, shape, or form. We want to be as independent, like the user can do everything
in Edge as much as possible, even if our infrastructure is down. And so we'd love
for that to become part of a decentralized censorship resistant blockchain and not dependent on us going forward.
Yeah, you know, Edge has always been known for like a seamless interface.
So I'm really glad to hear that this is like from the user's end, like that isn't being
sacrificed.
Yeah, we do it on behalf of the user because number one, we can do it without controlling
their money. And so all we're doing is just sending a very simple poke to this.
I'm not sure if it's a server or it's the chain,
but we're saying, hey, there's this TX ID.
It's all confirmed now.
Go ahead and send out the BTCX or vice versa.
Right, right.
All right. Well, if you guys have any questions, hop in here.
Again, this is a revolutionary day for the privacy community.
You can now convert or swap BTC for BTCX because Edge Wallet is the first to the game.
They've integrated Bridgless right into the mobile wallet, so it's as simple as swapping.
If you're familiar with Edge,
I mean, I do swaps every day from one coin to another. It's as simple as that. You can now have private Bitcoin. I mean, how cool is that? We've been waiting for years for this.
Well, we got Aaron here, I think as a listener, he might have some words,
both positive or negative, about our ability to do private Bitcoin.
I'm not sure if he's been pulled up, but maybe he's got it.
Yes, we have a great Aaron Day.
I see Feith from Zeno.
We have some heavy hitters in here.
So if you guys want to hop in, you have anything you want to add, feel free to pop in here.
I know we have a few people who have requested.
Something I'm really looking forward to is that
once there is enough liquidity of PTCX,
ITDEX, Solana X and whatnot,
people will want to trade this inside of Xano
using something like Xano Trade, for example.
So not only you will have a private
version of your favorite tokens but you also be able to trade privately between them because a
trade inside of the xano blockchain is undistinguishable from regular transactions so
i think there will be a huge demand for that especially with what happened to
to trade ogre and whatnot
um so i'm looking forward to that once we have more liquidity yeah yeah that was a nightmare
with trade ogre and again edge wallet kind of saved the day there because everybody would
hit me up on x like now that trade ogre is down how am i going to swap privacy coins i'm like
edge wallet it's yeah we can swap for over 130
different assets yeah it's awesome all right guys um let's see who we have here do we have uh i
think aaron disappeared yeah i think that something. He looks like he requested to speak and then
hopped off. So hopefully he'll be back. But we got a few listeners up as speakers for some questions.
Looks like we got Aaron back up. Oh, there's Aaron. Awesome.
Let's get Aaron here. I'm curious to see what he has to say about all this.
Can you hear me? Yes, sir. All right. Awesome. So sorry, I just caught the I just caught this. It was on my iPad. I didn't even realize this was going on. So this is great. I didn't realize that Edge integrated confidential layers. So I'm super excited about this and we'll give it a try. I mean, I have my podcast on Thursday, but I'll give it a try and show people how it works.
This is great news.
You know, I was saying, Aaron, how like for years, guys like us would like bitch about, you know, BTC isn't private.
It's not fast.
It's not cheap.
And now that you can actually trade, you can wrap Bitcoin on the Zeno blockchain and trade it. You can do it all from a very user-friendly interface on the Edge wallet.
What does this mean?
I mean, are we saving Bitcoin or is this more bullish for Zeno?
How do you interpret all of this?
Well, it's always bullish for Zeno in the sense that, you know,
Zeno is the gas that powers these transactions. So you're
creating Zeno tokens. And then anytime anyone spends privatized or whatever the wording is
that we're using, but BTCX, then that's going to burn Zeno and, you know, improve the supply
dynamic, excuse me, supply demand game with Zeno. but it's also great for Bitcoin. And I hope more people
start to understand how catastrophically bad it is that Bitcoin is transparent as it is.
And I've tried to talk about this. I have done many podcasts and I'm working on an article about
this as well. But if people saw the degree to which chain analysis can track Bitcoin transactions
and have been, they started doing this in 2014. So they have been kind of building a database of
Bitcoin transactions, working with law enforcement, learning with crypto or working with crypto
exchanges. So confidential layer is a critical solution. If you want any kind of privacy at all, and if you want
to be able to use your Bitcoin to do peer-to-peer transactions, this is a complete game changer. And
I think a lot of people are not still aware of how transparent Bitcoin is. This has been my experience
talking to people that haven't been in this world for a long time. A lot of people still believe that it's anonymous, which it never was.
But that myth is still out there.
Yeah.
You know, like I think you and I talked about this when I had you on the show.
Like initially, we all felt that the pseudonymity of Bitcoin was sufficient.
But then when blockchain analysis became a thing, we realized.
And then, of course, the war on crypto.
We all realized that it wasn't and that you need coins like Zeno and functions like this.
I'm in the – I'm going through the comments, and everybody's super excited for what this means for clone, and we were talking about that a little bit before.
Do you have clone aaron i i don't i i hate to say i i tend to stay really hyper focused which isn't to say that it's a bad thing to invest in
but i i just don't have time to evaluate that kind of thing i'm not even interested in it from a
from an investment perspective i'm more interested in it from like, well, I guess for clone, it would be like investment purposes, but because you're, you're, you know, generating yield, but I guess like,
and I think you're, you're probably the same way. And I guess Paul probably is too. I think a lot
of us on this, on this call are, but from the, you know, not from like a get rich perspective,
but from a get free perspective, this is enormous. This is one this is enormous this is one of the this is one
of the biggest announcements in the privacy revolution i mean i can think of since the
launch of xeno would you agree yeah i absolutely agree i mean this adding this i haven't used it
yet but i mean based on what i've heard uh just popping in here making making it this easy to be able to make your Bitcoin private within the
edge wallet, that usability is critical.
And yeah, it's a game changer.
So I'm going to test it out as soon as the space is done.
And I'll do everything that I can to spread the word because there are a lot of people
that need to become aware of this.
And, you know, I'm just I'm very excited.
No, let's go.
I was going to say, know that when I first heard about Zeno, I was looking forward to this exact moment because I didn't hear just about Zeno.
I heard about Zeno. I heard about confidential assets.
I heard about confidential layer. And this promise was what made me excited about Zano on day one.
Even though we first launched Zano by itself and then supported the assets,
and then now this feature, this was one of our end goals.
Of course, it's not the end goal because we also have more assets to support,
but this is the vision that got us excited to even hop on board and support Xano in the first place.
And so this was a very important piece for us.
Xano would have definitely not had the level of interest to us if it wasn't for this ecosystem coming together of, right, Bridgless, Confidential Air, Xano, and then, of course, the wallet ecosystem like us integrating it to give people this experience to then be able to deliver other assets with that
level of privacy.
And so I'm excited that this actually came to fruition because sometimes you hop on
board to some train and the train just kind of stops before it gets to where you want
to go.
This one actually got to the destination.
And so hence, I'm just thrilled that we got to this point.
Now it's about adoption.
Let's get people actually using it no i think it was like aaron who made the point that he was like i remember
hearing him say something to the effect of like you know like thinking about the amount of assets
that can now be made private because of xeno like it's it's just so incredibly revolutionary and
exciting uh like how could you possibly how could you not be bullish on xeno at
this point well yeah i mean this between bitcoin and then ethereum and you're looking at whatever
it is 2.7 trillion dollars worth of private purchasing power that's entering the marketplace
so it's it's huge and now yeah so just to get the bridgeless guys back in here is there i'm just trying to really wrap
my head around this again i'm not like a you know blockchain developer or computer science
is there is there a native token for bridge or or is that yeah sure sure so can you hear me well yes
ah sorry because i don't i don't see i't see a speaker tag. Never mind. So essentially,
there's a for bridgeless, there's a native token, which is used for staking in nodes and
essentially for operating node, and it's called bridge. So with this bridge token it will follow the same emission curve as Bitcoin. So there will
be some kind of early proof-of-stake mining available to users who will acquire a bridge early
and we made several twists to essentially solve what Bitcoin left unresolved, such as security budget problem, etc.
And we made these twists in how emission curve and how the whole tokenomy of bridge does work.
So what we are looking to achieve is the same adoption curve by applying similar halving mechanism and similar emission mechanism
but at the same time we are solving the security budget problem by having utility and having
actually a productive network that receives peace unlike bitcoin where essentially you can
just like you just pay small fee for transaction,
but it's not enough to secure the TVL of the whole chain.
So we have a question from, somebody dropped,
we have a few questions here,
and I'll let whoever wants to handle this just hop in.
The first question is, with the integration of BridgeList L1 into Edge Wallet,
how will the protocol handle transaction verification and settlement
without relying on old bridging mechanisms?
There's kind of a wordy question in there.
Does anybody want to tackle that one?
I'm just not sure what does old bridging mechanism mean. However, the
Bridgless nodes are in charge of validating the transaction. So in the Edge wallet, Edge
wallet just communicates with the Bridgless blockchain and ensures that the transaction it forms a transaction for
bridgeless and bridgeless validates the transaction logs the assets and releases the assets
yeah it's not i mean it's it's pretty straightforward if if if guys if i can understand
it i mean again from the user perspective you don't really need to know all this right you just
go into edge wallet you swap btc for btcx and your that's it your your
btc has now been made private by virtue of the zeno blockchain um i have another question here
how does confidential layer plan to scale while maintaining low latency and high throughput for
swaps especially as cross-chain activity increases. That's a good one.
Once again, if it's on me, I just didn't catch the whole question. So it says, this is, OPME is asking, how does confidential layer plan to scale while maintaining low latency and high throughput for swabs? Oh, well, it's quite easy. Given we have our own L1 ecosystem,
we can find balance between having too many nodes
and too many validators and being efficient with it.
Similarly to other blockchains,
you usually start with a smaller set
and you proceed to...
Then you go for higher decentralization and let's
say lower latency if there are not any like technology improvement implemented
in the future so as of now we can handle I think we can handle basically any volume of transactions that may occur there,
like for our current stage.
And there are no real limitations aside from servers and number of nodes.
Paul, go ahead.
Does somebody else want to hop in there?
I thought I heard somebody chime in.
All right.
Well, Paul, Emmanuel wants to know,
are there any plans for clone to be available on Edge Wallet in the future?
Yeah, given that Bridgeless is an EVM,
that definitely simplifies integration into Edge.
And so we have, generally speaking, every intent of supporting most of the EVM that definitely simplifies integration into Edge. And so we have generally speaking every intent of supporting most of the EVM since the support
tends to be fairly straightforward.
And so that would automatically get support for clone.
The thing that I think is a better question to ask admittedly is, well, what can you do
with clone in edge or what do we plan to enable?
And so that's where I asked the question, you know, if the Bridgelist team, as far as being able to stake clone, correct me if I'm wrong, staking clone then allows you to get yield from the bridge operations. Is that correct?
Yeah, that's correct.
Great.
So that's the main part of the place. Got it.
And so if that staking operation is something that can be done
in a self-custody client-side app like Edge,
then we for sure would love people
to be able to acquire clone
and then actually stake it
and earn yield on the transactions,
much like they would in other DEXs
such as like Thor Chain,
but there you have to not just stake Rune,
but Rune and another asset, you kind of need two.
And so being able to stake a single asset
that would then earn yield from as much volume
as the chain creates would be amazing.
Like I think that's a great use case for a token.
It makes sense, it makes tokenomic sense
and also gives people a great opportunity.
So that I think is a more interesting question. And I'll ask it myself and then answer with yes,
we're very interested in supporting not just the chain, but also the ability to stake the token and
earn yield from all the transaction fees. Love it, love it. So we have another question here.
Love it. Love it. So we have another question here. Does this partnership between Edge and Bridgeless take away the need for an app by confidential layer?
So this partnership goes like confidential layer is used for bundling more difficult transaction with not just locking and releasing assets, but also with swaps or with anything else that user may want to do, where the user just decides what kind of asset he wants to get on the end and what kind of asset he wants to use um you know on the source chain
and with edge the process is much easier and it's integrated in the wallet so it doesn't have have to
go through the confidential layer ui yeah and it's sort of bringing uh you know edge wallet already has this enormous user base that there's
sort of bringing to uh you know confidential layer and confidential assets in general which
is in and of itself bullish as far as i'm concerned
yeah one one more thing i want to mention is that uh bridgeless and confidential air and all the
projects inside the bridgegeless ecosystem,
it's essentially an emerging ecosystem.
So the projects still have a lot of supply to be released either by staking or by getting
airdrop.
So there are ways how to get involved and get some clone or some bridge within our future campaigns.
And we believe within these campaigns,
we will partner with projects such as Edge Wallet
and drive users to test it out.
Because we have a referral system, airdrop campaign,
where a lot of users participate.
And we just want these users to test out all the solutions
that have us integrated, and Edge Wallet is the first one.
Well, John is asking, he says,
partnership is an important factor for every project.
What are the benefits that you get from partnering Edge and Bridgeless?
I think we already went over a handful of them.
You know, look at the amount of people, again, that Edge is bringing to
the confidential layer
that are... The amount of people that Edge is introducing to confidential layers
in and of itself, I think, huge.
Another question here is
he's asking about the developers who are working on this project.
Team members are an integral part of any project.
He wants to know about the developers working on the project.
I'm not sure that's entirely relevant, but if somebody wants to handle that, take a stab at it.
handle that take a stab at it well in general the whole team the whole team
has origins in Zano blockchain and also there's there's several teams there's
like a Cosmos team then there's Solidity team then there's Zano team and all
these team collaborate together to create and scale the ecosystem of
bridge less and related chains as well as zano um aaron are
you still is aaron still with us yep i'm still here so this is a pretty straightforward question
but i know you're gonna have an excellent answer for this guy uh he says why should i swap my btc to
Why should I swap my BTC to BTCX?
Well, so you can have privacy and so that you can actually spend it with low fees.
Those are my two top answers.
Yeah, that's what kind of Paul was saying.
How it doesn't even, it's more than just the privacy.
It also resolves the, you know, we were going back to like 2017 when everything was, when people were getting fee locked.
Remember those days? Like now that you can wrap BTC on the Zeno blockchain, that's sort of a thing of the past now.
Yeah, and also you can get yield on your Bitcoin when it's BTCX.
And BTCX is essentially an interoperability asset.
So it's easier to move it around in general.
Right.
Guys, if you have any questions, you can drop them in the chat.
You can request to be a speaker.
You can ask the questions yourself.
We have so many questions here.
I'm trying to go through them as we're going into space here.
And everybody seems to be extremely excited about what this means for clone.
Um, I'm just excited about what this means for people who are trying to, to, you know,
and capture some degree of financial sovereignty.
All right, well, let's see.
Zach, a friend of mine, I'm probably the retard of the group,
and this is probably a stupid question.
There are no stupid questions.
But is this a cause effect of combining market transparency with the privacy of the transactions? Zach, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here.
Is this cause effect?
I'll try to answer.
So essentially when you're bridging from public blockchain to private blockchain, you're using the best of the both worlds. So there's transparency on the public blockchain
and there's privacy on the private blockchain. So just move the assets uh from blockchain with
with one set of properties to blockchain with different set of properties to get the set of
properties that you prefer either transparency or the private yes and you can do amazing things like
you can create uh your token in a ebm chain and have all the fancy features you want to add it.
Let's say, for example, DAI, the decentralized stablecoin.
And then you can swap it to a private version on Xano.
You can do it with DAI.
So then you get the best of awards.
You get the probability and all the features you want from EBM chains, and you can use that back to an asset that's private on Xano and get the best for words.
Gotcha, gotcha.
We have people here.
I'm just going to read some of these comments.
I'm here for clone, and I'm so hyped.
I'm here for clone. I'm so hyped. I'm here for clone.
I'm bullish on clone.
Hello, cloners.
Everybody seems to be excited about what this means for clone.
I'll just quickly address that.
The thing is that, as I mentioned, there's a widespread airdrop campaign where people can people can get hands on these assets either for
free or for for fulfilling tasks for testing out the network for testing out the the bridge or swap
or eventually for testing out edge wallet as well if we add it as a task so what we are trying to do is to get widespread adoption of people who will be financially interested in holding assets of the ecosystem.
And clone is the first and most relevant token for that as of now.
Because there's a share of peace and at the same time it's it's possible to get it
through airdrop at the same time it was possible to buy it so it's just uh it's just the asset that
drives adoption to the whole idea um of what we what you can do with the bridge less confidential
air in zada brian go ahead sorry about that somebody want to
no no just said that there is great synergy here yeah for sure for sure um we do have a couple
requests from speakers uh brian do you have a question i just added you as a speaker so if you
want to hop in and you got something to contribute to the conversation, now is the time.
Yeah, right on. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, interesting product. I love it. I'm a Bitcoin maxi, but not a toxic Bitcoin maxi. I'm just a Bitcoin monetary maxi. My question to that
is, there's a lot of use in all these different tools and different chains. Where do you see this new
platform, I guess, lacks? What are you guys working on as your next feature to make it even more
secure as you're pitching to the whole world to utilize your services? And obviously, Bitcoiners
are always thinking about security, but my note to them is you don't have to send all of your Bitcoin there,
just whatever you need to
in order to operate the way you want to, right?
So yeah, my question is,
what's the next feature you guys are working on
that's going to extend privacy, security,
all these good things that we care about?
That's a great question.
Who wants to take that?
Yeah, that's an awesome question.
Thanks.
In general, we are looking to get the
first and most important goal is to get adoption, to spread the word and to let people know that
as of now it's possible to do these kind of transactions and for the best adoption we are
trying to add as many chains as possible,
so people can go not only from Bitcoin blockchain to Zeno,
but from Solana to Zeno, from Ton to Zeno, which is possible even now,
and from other chains as well.
So we are adding chains and onboarding communities and onboarding projects with integrations.
So people can basically know that it's possible and they can always go from public chains to privacy chain.
And I would just add, Brian, you spoke about the need for security.
I think this enhances the security of Bitcoin by making it,
by adding a degree of anonymity to Bitcoin.
So I think, you know, if your coin is, if it's essentially a surveillance coin, if the
state can surveil your, if you're subject to blockchain analytics, how secure is the
chain really?
I mean, you know, look at the amount of people that have been persecuted in the war on crypto.
You know, look at the amount of people that have been persecuted in the war on crypto. You know, you look no further than that.
Jon Snow, do you have a question for us?
We've had you as a speaker, so speak now or forever hold your peace.
Yeah, yeah, I think you're on mute, so just unmute yourself and hop in.
Hello, hello, guys. Am I i ready well yes we can hear you okay thank you i have a question about your project can i ask my question please yes please
go ahead okay my question is what are your major goals to achieve in the next 6 to 12 months?
Why can we see your ecosystem in this period?
And what are your plans to expand and gain more adoption?
Thank you very much.
Thank you for the question.
So I'm not sure if I catch that correct, but he was asking about the plans for the next
six to 12 months.
Yeah.
What does the roadmap look like?
I'm curious to know as well.
What are the next few steps?
The most important step, there's three different directions. One direction is scaling the whole ecosystem,
onboarding more projects into Bridgeless L1
and building the ecosystem similar to, let's say,
Base or Solana, etc. inside the Bridgeless
where Xassets can provide yield to users
and where users can do a lot of additional things like lending
and borrowing with the excess assets etc just drive the excess of adoption the
second direction is scaling decentralization by either selling or
provide or giving away notes of of bridgeless blockchain and the third direction is improving the usability and
the connectivity of the whole ecosystem so people can use people can use features of bridgeless
inside their protocols or wallets or inside their other apps
protocols or wallets or inside their other apps.
Emmanuel, if you have a question, we add you as a speaker.
Now is the time to hop in, speak now, or forever hold your peace. Thank you.
