Okay. I think the lobby music has ended. Can anyone hear me? Oop. There it is again. Microphone
check. Someone give me a thumbs up. You can hear what I'm saying out there in the Twitter
universe. Yes, I still call it Twitter. Okay. Welcome to the spaces. We're joined here by
the team to talk about this exciting integration that we just went live with, some of the stuff
that we've done so far and what's coming up. And also learn more about Corian. I've learned
a good chunk in the process of the integration with this protocol. But I think the team can
probably go into a lot more in-depth detail on a lot of the differentiating factors with their
projects. And so with me, I've got Analisa and I believe it's Zach. Yes, sir. Thank you for having
us. Thank you so much for having us. Yeah. I think Analisa, we're not quite getting you on
spaces here. Yes. I'm the Corium account. Almost. Not quite. Maybe Zach, while Analisa is kind of
working on some of the audio, feel free to give a quick intro on yourself and as well the Corium
project. Yeah. Thank you so much. I am myself a marketing specialist here at Corium. I kind of
head up a lot of our community initiatives and sort of help a lot of our projects that are
building on Corium get to market. But yeah, I think Corium itself is what we would describe as a
super ledger. It's an enterprise grade blockchain with ISO 220 messaging actually builds into the
protocol level. So it's really friendly for financial messaging and scalability purposes.
We are also, of course, you know, IBC integrated. So we're able to connect with that entire ecosystem
and kind of be the bridge between Corium, IBC, and then also the XRPL, which we have coming soon.
Awesome. Let's see what that Analisa happens to have her audio back online. Analisa, can you hear us
okay or able to chime in? Can you hear me guys now? I'm not quite getting her audio. Well, we've
also got a coin holder on the Corium team. Maybe we want to do a quick introduction as well. Paul,
thank you so much for having us on the space. Really appreciate it. My name is Michael,
a business developer at Corium Development Foundation and also Sologenic. I've been with
the foundation for about a year and a half. I actually started as a community member just
like most people in the space right now. I attended most of the events that Sologenic
and Corium attended and met up with the team a couple years back. And yeah, pretty much started
a really good relationship with the team. And yeah, been building since the bear market. It's
been about a year and a half since we started building Corium. Like Zach was saying, it's a
Cosmos chain. It's a layer one. I would say that some of the things that differentiate Corium from
some of the other Cosmos chains would be the fact that we're connecting the XRP ledger. I can kind
of paint a picture here for you, if that makes sense. I've been an XRP holder for about eight
or nine years now. I haven't been able to do much with XRP, just send and receive. That's pretty
much the extent of my journey with XRP. So we're taking an approach with Corium to open up a bridge
between the XRP ledger and the Cosmos ecosystem, which will ultimately allow XRP holders to stake
using a decentralized protocol, rather than using like a bit stamp or, you know, any third party
centralized exchange to facilitate staking of XRP. That kind of defeats the whole ethos of crypto,
in my opinion. So we're actually opening up a bridge to allow XRP holders and other XRP native
asset holders to traverse all of the different blockchains that deploy the IBC protocol.
So what is the IBC protocol? IBC is essentially the protocol that all of the Cosmos chains deploy.
That will allow these different protocols to communicate with each other. Then they're able
to send assets, communicate with each other with data, utilizing this protocol that connects all
of the different chains within Cosmos. There's a big vertical here when it comes to crypto and
just the general digital asset blockchain industry is by connecting different blockchains that aren't
within Cosmos to IBC. So that, again, is the approach that we're taking is to make sure that
the XRP ledger and more blockchains in the future can allow them to traverse many blockchains within
Cosmos and IBC in general. But I know that's kind of like a brief big picture sort of introduction
of Corian and slightly myself. But yeah, any questions in regards to Corian? I'm really
excited to delve deeper into that. Yeah, I'm looking forward to delving deeper. You got a lot
of nuggets there to unwind. Definitely the integration with XRP and that fascinates me
because I've been a slight XRP holder for a number of years. We actually had as one of our
marketing managers at Edge in the early days of Edge around the 2017-18 timeframe, one of the
biggest XRP influencers of Tiffany Hayden. And actually, ironically, we didn't have XRP support
at the time, but we quickly did soon after that and achieve quite a bit of recognition within that
community because we were the very first self-custody app to actually provide more than XRP.
At the time, if you wanted a wallet, it was an XRP only. So we were the first to actually provide
XRP with any other asset and the ability to trade between the two of them. You'd mentioned XRP
support. So actually, I want to dive into what made that unique enough to why that asset and
that ecosystem drove interest into the Corian team as well. ISO 20022, we'll dive into that
a little bit later as far as like, well, what is that? Why is that something unique? Why should
people be looking for that in projects? And then smart tokens, you had mentioned that as well.
We'll dive into all of these things, really good keywords for us to educate the audience on.
But let's check again as to whether Annalisa happens to be connected on audio. Do we have
Annalisa live? Mic check. Let's see. Hi. How are you? Can you hear me? Oh, I think we still don't
quite have the audio quiet working. And Lisa, so we'll give it a pause. You can hear her? I think
we hear her on the Twitter space. Okay, I'm not able to hear her on the Twitter space. If anyone
else can hear her, then maybe it's just me. I was on a Twitter space this morning. It always does.
Exactly. Well, one person, it just decides to censor somebody from just another person. So
if you guys can hear her, great. Annalisa, why don't you go and fire off away? Go ahead and give
yourself a quick introduction. Well, thank you so much, Paul. I'm so sorry that you can't hear me.
What I'm going to do is leave the space and come back, guys. But for the ones that can hear me
right now, I'm Annalisa Caballero. I'm the newest addition to the growth and partnership team. I'm
a marketing specialist. I came to the space in 2018. And it's a pleasure to be here still working
and growing with Corium. I'll see you soon. I'm going to step back and come back in a few minutes
to check if Paul can hear me now. Okay, I'm going to presume she wrapped up. It's a weird kind of hosta.
Paul, on the video, I'm looking at your shirt. It says anti the crypto club.
Yeah, I'm presuming most of us have joined the club. If you haven't, feel free to let us know.
And we will personally invite you to the club, which is really just a thumbs up. Thanks for
joining the club. You're in it. Yeah, and we're happy to raise our flag over here at the
Corium office. Funny little story, like when we first created these shirts, we were at a conference
in Austin. And we were approached by a lady kept asking us questions about this club and saying,
well, who's in this club? When do you meet? How often does this club meet? How does one join this
club? And she was like, Wow, this lady is pretty serious about you know, this club. And we just
gave answers random answer like, Oh, yeah, there's a few hundred people in this club. And we meet
just whatever we feel like it. And at the end, she said, Yeah, I work for the White House Mike.
Okay, that makes sense. Why are you so serious? And we say, you're welcome to join the club too,
if you'd like. No, thanks. Like, all right. Well, government officials as they sometimes
Yeah, seems like you're making the right connections there.
Exactly. No, no sense of humor, right? And we fully we really at that very end of the conversation
had to tell you lady, it's a joke. Right? Really? There's no club. It's a t shirt. But oh, well,
you know, it is what it is. Okay, so apologies. I couldn't hear pretty much anything Annalise had
to say. I would love to build to kind of go and dive into some of the subjects she had mentioned,
feel free, coinholders act kind of kind of go into more detail on anything she might have brought up.
But I do want to go into some of those keywords he had mentioned, starting with ISO 20022. And I've
heard a lot of different ISO certifications. For a lot of people, these are usually certifications
for standards from everything from security, privacy, auditability, best practices in creating
and manufacturing, you name it. But from the viewpoint of this specific ISO standard,
how does this apply to corium? And why should people know why should they care?
It's a really good question, Paul, I really appreciate it. In terms of the current ISO
222 implementation that we have at the moment. Right now, it's just a simulator on the testnet
of corium. So you can actually try it out today as if anyone would like in the audience, we can
actually provide the link to the ISO 222 simulator. But it allows financial institutions to actually
really utilize blockchain technology for settlement, cross border payments and things
alike. We wouldn't be doing the validating. Ultimately, each financial institution will
have their own third party that will do the validating of the transactions. We would just
be providing the transaction or the technology for settlement. And this would all be taking place on
the corium blockchain. And it's notable that considering this ISO 222 simulator is native to
Cosmos, we are looking also into making it an actual module. So other Cosmos chains can kind
of employ this module within their blockchain network. And that's the beauty of IBC. There's
so much synergy when it comes to modules and native integrations that you can actually create
a public good. You know, and that's ultimately what we're trying to do is make sure that corium
is that underlying technology that facilitates cross border payments and remittances, but also
creating a sort of like a public good for other networks built utilizing IBC to deploy it themselves
to cater to their client base. But Zach, if there's anything I missed, if you want to chime
in, feel free, Annalisa. Yeah, no, you nailed it. Just to kind of go off of that. ISO itself
is actually a universal language that I guess you could say is the language of financial
institutions, right? And so by sort of streamlining this across the protocol and across, you know,
enterprises that are interested in using it, one, it provides much more rich data set.
But like Michael mentioned, it also helps sort of streamline those transactions and make sure that
financial institution A and financial institution B are communicating correctly when it comes to
what that data entails. So I think this is a standard by which general financial general
I call legacy at this point, legacy financial institutions talk to each other to transfer
funds. Is that an accurate way of describing the standard? Yes, yes. I don't know, Paul,
if you can hear me now. Wow, I can hear Annalisa now. Awesome. Yes, well, a pleasure meeting you,
Paul. Again, I'm Annalisa marketing, especially at Corium. But talking about ISO 222. So when we
think about companies built in the US, most companies have manufacturers all over the globe.
This is standard messaging for money transferring is being adopted by Swift. So if you have a
business bank account, for example, in Bank of America, you can now well soon, and thanks to
Swift and adopting ISO 222. And what Corium is doing is making these transactions faster. So
instead of three business days to give pay your manufacturer in India, or in Peru,
is going to be instant, you know, so businesses are going to fast track their processes as well.
Another good thing about this is that it's secure instead and interoperability.
So it's going to work with, for example, my bank of USA, Bank of America, let's call it like that,
and the credit bank of Peru, and that transaction is going to be in minutes instead of three days.
So as a business owner, my employees are going to be so happy that I'm going to pay them in time,
right? For the ones that are not technical and are more entrepreneur in the space, I just wanted
to give that little example. And so this is actually enabling a kind of traditional fiat
payment, but using crypto as its rails, is that an accurate description? Or could one actually say
that I just want to transfer crypto and that's ISO 222 certified, or does it even need to be
certified if it's a raw crypto transaction? So I kind of packaged a lot in that one question there.
So question one is, is the ISO 222 standard really the ability to transfer traditional fiat?
And you're enabling that now on a chain? Or is that also certifying simply the standard
crypto transaction that you can do on IBC across chains, same chain?
Yeah, I mean, when you say fiat, Paul, I would say that
deduct fiat and just replace it with stablecoins, you know, like USDC.
But yeah, everything would be taking place, it would be all on chain.
I think it's also interesting and notable to say that I'd say Corium is a really good chain to
actually implement this technology because one, it's, it can handle the throughput, right? If you
were to implement this on Ethereum, you know, it just wouldn't work, maybe a layer two,
like Matic or something. But overall, no, this layer one Corium, it can really handle
the throughput to make this to actually put it to market. Because ultimately, when you're sending
an ISO transaction, it's not just one transaction, it's I'd say it's like six or seven different
transactions at once, things need to be tokenized. There's different backends that need to like
identity information. And yeah, exactly. And there's a lot of information that banks normally would
send. Exactly. And I see smart contract functionality that plays a part in that. So
with that being said, you know, Corium is fast enough, and it can scale to an extent where this
would be feasible to utilize on the blockchain. Got it. So it's awesome to hear. I know that was
one of the biggest focuses of XRP, although its smart contract capability was far obviously,
much more removed at the time it was founded, since it was such an early project.
Talking about XRP, that was one of the keywords you'd mentioned, wanted to dive into that maybe
there's some XRP fans that there are any XRP fans, the XRP army out there, feel free to give
a little thumbs up on spaces this so you know who you who those folks are. But what about blue
hearts? Is that one of them? Some blue heart? If you Yeah, post a blue heart if you'd like.
But what brought the interest in being able to like how is XRP utilize within the Corium
ecosystem, you mentioned staking it, and usually staking has a purpose, right? There's not stake
to just stake. Usually staking provides usually staking is almost an overused term in crypto,
because it means several different things in my experience of staking, at least where what I know
it at. And so feel free to expand on my knowledge, because I know it's limited is staking can be for
validation and you stick and therefore if you validate invalid transactions, you lose your state,
right? That's kind of like the replacement of proof of work instead of proof of stake.
And then staking is also used to some degree incorrectly reference, providing liquidity into
a platform like like an obvi for bonding or to a uniswap for equity for trading. Sometimes people
call that staking even though it's not really. And then there is also quote unquote staking
of say p tokens into a pool protocol to earn additional yield. Or would you say, if not one
of those, what additional use cases do you have for this XRP stake? How does it fit into the
ecosystem? Explain that's really a good question, Paul. And I actually really appreciate you asking
that. I would I would also just to kind of initialize this response, just to kind of paint
a picture here. Sologenic was our was our second project, or I could say the first project that we
started. It's completely maintained by two, like a separate team, they have completely separate
roadmaps, just to give some context. But this was the first project that ultimately we are trying to
really build out this project is a layer two ecosystem on the XRP ledger. This ecosystem
is basically utilizing all of the native features on the XRP ledger, and giving a really nice UI UX
to the ecosystem. So it's really a one stop shop for XRP, if I'm being honest with you,
we as we have level, that was an app level project, meaning you're sitting on top of the
blockchain, you're not writing any protocol level. Exactly, Paul. Yeah, exactly. So yeah,
we're utilizing all the native features on the XRPL. We started this project in the very beginning,
of anything that we could really do on the XRPL, we really jumped the gun and started building.
That's kind of how we harnessed the multitude of users within the XRPL community.
We built a DEX there that obviously the DEX on the XRPL is native. It was the first DEX
ever in blockchain, really in the industry that was that's native. But we were, I believe,
the first ones to put a UI and UX to it, to really make the trading experience really nice.
I mean, we're putting tools on there that are in par with, you know, like very, all I can say,
it's a very intuitive DEX. So with that being said, we built out a very nice ecosystem on the XRPL,
where a lot of users are utilizing it. But our ultimate goal with that ecosystem is tokenization
of traditional assets, like stocks and ETFs. To do that, you know, you need some programmability
at the protocol level. We noticed that there are some limitations to the XRPL when it comes to
implementation of smart contracts, and other programmability that could ultimately facilitate
tokenization to that scale. So that's one of the reasons why we built Corium is ultimately to
provide that bridge and that extend functionality from the Cosmos ecosystem to Corium. So how that
would look, I really want to paint this picture is because how that would look, is anything built
within IBC, anything on Cosmos. So you have tons of protocols, you have Osmosis,
you have Liquid Staking protocols, you have DAO DAO, you have Corium, you have all these
layer one app chains. Everything pretty much is, I'd say it's the most, I'd say it's a very,
how would you say just, it's a growing ecosystem. You would basically have all of that unlocked
right out of the box. When you bridge your XRP, or any native token on the XRP ledger that is
enabled on our token registry, which solo would be included, again, this is part of the scope,
is having solo token included on the token registry, where you can bridge these tokens
to Cosmos. And everything that's built on Cosmos, you have that right out of the box,
you just bridge it over utilizing IBC. All these protocols are using IBC. And honestly, Paul,
you look at all these legacy chains, you look at Binance Smart Chain, you look at Solana,
you look at Polkadot, you look at Ethereum. They're all deploying IBC. They're all deploying it,
you know, on some capacity, whether it's their layer two, whether it's a parachain,
whether it's some protocol built there. Everyone's trying to figure out this interoperability
problem. How do we fix it? How do we fix it? It's IBC. I mean, look at every other legacy chain.
Their eyes are actually wide open now. And I see that there's going to be a big, big adoption,
big push for adoption when it comes to interoperability and cross chain interactions.
And that's all going to be fueled and powered by IBC. I have seen that definitely with the
limitations of a lot of the early layer ones, Bitcoin, Ethereum, I think a lot of the projects
that have achieved a lot of success and kind of headspace in people's minds have been the
cross chain protocols, the bridges, cross chain DEXs. I'm a big fan of ThorChain,
in the sense that it allows fairly native assets to get traded across different chains.
And what's the risk to that? Paul, what's the risk to that? You know,
what is the risk to a bridge? We look at multi-chain, right?
I want to discuss that discussion. Yes, the discussion is one of the biggest challenges
that I know the ThorChain team has, because they are in a way a bridge, but a bridge that can,
a lot of people define a bridge is you take the same asset and you bridge it over to another chain.
Whereas ThorChain is not necessary, it's basically a bridge that allows you to take an asset and turn
it into a completely different one on another chain. So has in some ways more complexity than
a bridge. And so the biggest challenge of every single bridge is dealing with the nuance of each
chain that it's working on. So you basically are susceptible to any issues on one chain.
If you're just a single chain protocol, double that when once you're a double chain protocol
and quadruple, quintuple that, whatever, when you are interfacing with that many more chains.
So it is a difficult problem to solve. It has been the cause of many exploits. I don't think
it's an unsolvable one, but you know, it's like time will tell and time will also both
a heal wounds and then also harden. So it hardens things as time passes and all exploits are found
and fixed. And it's why I tend to not touch a lot of very, very new technologies. Admittedly,
Bitcoin being one that was not that new when I discovered it, it had about four years in
of my class of 2013. So at least which Bitcoin are you talking about? Paul, what Bitcoin are you
talking about? Oh, which Bitcoin? That's right. Bitcoin or Bitcoin SV. I'm joking. Bitcoin. No,
I mean, you talked enough people. I went to a conference just last week where for a lot of
people, Bitcoin is Bitcoin SV. So I'd say BTC now for although I feel like the BTC camp could
potentially fork pretty soon in both column BTC. But yes, Bitcoin BTC as it is today is what I'm
referring to. It at least hard in four years before I got involved. So same thing can happen
with a lot of these protocols, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't keep building a tribe.
I 100% agree. And when you brought up the when you brought up that, I forgot what chain you were
talking about. But when you're saying when you bridge the tokens, it kind of gives you a new sort
of denom or like a new token standard. Very interesting. That's my understanding in IBC.
That's that's my understanding of how tokens are are bridged using IBC in the Cosmos ecosystem.
We're chain a different token, but it is native on that chain. So you're taking Bitcoin and putting
it into an AMM and then out comes Ethereum on actual Ethereum or actual Bitcoin cash or actual
finance smart chain. And so it is not bridging it taking the same asset and creating a representation
of that asset on a different chain. It's actually spitting out the native asset on the destination.
Exactly. Yeah. Which have you heard of token factory? I've heard of it. I have not used it.
Yeah. So it's it's a really interesting into it's sort of like a modular component to Cosmos,
I'd say. So a lot of different chains employ token factory. We've actually deployed this natively on
Corium. And we call this smart token technology smart tokens. I want to get in that. Let's talk
about that. Like what makes you smart versus dumb. Most tokens, especially tokens from early days,
like the tokens on my counterparty Bitcoin and, you know, to some degree in tokens on XRP,
with the exception that XRP at least had a DEX, by and large are kind of dumb tokens. Like they just,
you know, you can just another asset, you can put another fungible asset can move back and forth.
So let's talk about smart tokens. It takes a lot to kind of like, you know, preface any noun with
smart. Right. Yeah. So what makes these tokens smart above other tokens? Sure. Yeah. I mean,
if you take the idea or the concept of token factory, that's pretty much what we implemented
on Corium. It's a native feature that's actually implemented at the token level.
So a lot of the smart contracts that you would need to make things more efficient within your
business, your NFT collection, whatever it might be that you're doing on chain. A lot of these
things you would need to do at a smart contract level. So you have to write smart contracts have
some level of development skills. An example of some use case, because I think I can think of some,
but love to hear what some concrete examples of what a user on it with a token on say an EVM
chain. Because I mean, tokens on EVM chains are smart contracts, you have to write a smart contract
just to have a token. Yeah. But then of course, you have to write a smart contract to do smarter
things with that token. Right. Resume that's kind of more baked in with the smart tokens on Corium.
But give me give us an example. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it just gives you more. It just gives you
an extended layer of programmability at the token level. So smart contracts are at the protocol
level. Those are working on the chain level. So if you have a smart contract exploit, that's going
to affect everything that's connected to that smart contract. So what we're doing is we're
actually implementing this technology at the token level. So developers are actually able to
program business logic within these smart tokens. So the current functions that we have now that
you can implement would be burning, freezing, wallet whitelisting, burn, you know, IBC
compatibility, if you want this token to be, you know, IBC compatible, all of these things,
it could be complex to implement if you're doing this, you know, just just in general,
right? Corium and a lot of the dApps built on Corium are utilizing this technology.
For instance, pulsara is the first decentralized autonomous exchange that is built on Corium. And
it actually has a token issuance hub, I guess you could call it. I forgot the exact name, but
users are actually able to plug and play issuance of tokens. So you could even call Corium a sort
of like a token issuance hub of Cosmos, because we've developed this token factory, really extended
it to the token level, and giving developers and even people like me, I don't know anything about
coding, right? But I can still issue smart tokens, because we've made it very easy to do so.
So can I give an example of something that was done a lot in like the 2017 ICO era,
and see whether that thing you could do with a smart token. So I know one of the most popular
smart contracts in that era, not that anyone should do this. Yeah, I mean, I love where your
head is. But just to take it honestly, a step further, you know, like how can governments
get involved with this? You know, how can government agencies get involved with this?
What if a government agency wants to issue food stamps to a group of people, they want to make
sure that those food stamps or whatever those tokens are being spent on correct or the right
things, whether it's food, water, supplies for the home, you can whitelist certain vendors,
when things get tokenized, we believe in a tokenized environment, a tokenized economy.
When that happens, in the very near future, these enterprises, whether you want to have a rewards
program, again, back to the government agency, if they want to issue food stamps, they can tokenize
specific goods are not tokenized, but whitelist, I'm sorry, you can whitelist specific goods to be
spent utilizing these smart tokens. So, you know, it's definitely a big thing when it comes to
remittances. Because with remittances, I mean, you have families working ups, you know, offshore,
you know, sending money to their families, a lot of that money gets spent on alcohol, you know,
drugs, you know, gambling, things like that. Terrible. You know, how do we make it so these
people are sending this money back to their families and only being able to spend it on
food, water and supplies for the children? That is it. That is the goal. I mean, to be able to
program that at a token level. I mean, it's it's a game changer. I'm just being honest.
I got to put my libertarian hat on and go, well, that's kind of censoring of transactions.
But if anything, if that gets people into crypto, get them to have a wallet, and use the money that
governments, in a way, kind of mandate that you use to do things like pay taxes and pay bills,
whatnot, but enable with the same application, the ability to use true open, open chains and open
assets, you know, like a quorum itself, like the actual asset quorum is freely transferable across
chains to anyone with no limitations. Then to me, to me, the value becomes, let's give,
let's give governments and the people that are fine with governments, a better version of the
same system with the same limitations. But the Trojan horse being you put into people's pockets,
into their hands, into their computers and into their phones, the power to access fully open
permissionless blockchains. And now they have that choice, right? If you want to be able to get your
your government subsidy that you can spend with and with a limited number of merchants, great,
you have that, but in the same application that you can send money across any border with no one's
permission. And so that to me is what's made, what's made this kind of bridge interesting is
the ability to kind of appeal to both sides, but then have a single like application key management
that enables both because right now when you work in the fiat world, it's a very different experience.
It's a very different app. It's a, you know, it's account creation, blah, blah, blah. And when you
work in the crypto world, say they say it's a different experience. It's a different security
model and a different flow. And you're kind of hopping between two. We can bridge those two
for one app, then we've onboarded the world into crypto without them realizing it really.
And that's what excites me. And it's all about good UI and UX, right, Paul?
It's a little bit about that. And the funny thing is obviously we're at the UI UX level.
We're not protocol developers at edge. Although one of the things that we've
said repeatedly is that UX starts at the protocol at the lower level, and it's built within the
frameworks, I'd say. Yeah. And some protocols don't realize how much of an impact they have
that a UX and UI designer and developer can't overcome. Right. And just a small nugget example
of the Bitcoin world. And you know, I'm not an anti Bitcoin person, but I'm definitely not a maxi.
Every time a new address is implemented and promoted, you've now thrown a wrench into the UX
of the end user. It's like, oh, my wallet doesn't support this new segwood address or this new back
32 address or this new taproot address or which address do I show to the user so that they can
send me Bitcoin. That's just one example of where the protocol level people say, oh, this is great.
It's going to save a little bit of fees and we can do more things with this address. Let's just push
it out there and not realize what that causes of what ripple effect that causes up the chain.
You know, no pun intended up the chain or up the stack and eventually hits the end user with a
level of confusion that we can't really do anything about no matter, no matter pretty buttons,
the great UX can do that. But you're right. UX means a lot. It is kind of end all be all,
but at the same time, it's a full team effort. Everyone from the designers, the button developers,
UI developers all the way down to the protocol. So I appreciate people at the protocol offices,
you guys already thinking about it like we need to have UX in mind right at the very base level.
And honestly, really not even go on. I don't know if you would call it user or user experience,
but we have a very, I think, comprehensive builder experience where we allow devs to
come and build on Quorum at the protocol level using COSMOSM, which is a language that's very
friendly to most developers. It actually kind of compiles whatever language you're coding in into
binary. And, you know, you pair that with our workshops we're doing, our ambassador program,
and it makes it a very healthy ecosystem for projects and builders to come and launch their
project. So I think it goes back to what you're saying. Yeah, it's an experience for everybody,
I guess, in the ecosystem that we've designed to be as seamless as possible.
And just to add on to that, Zach, I would say too, you know, what fosters a really good environment
or, I guess, ecosystem, competition, right? You need friendly competition to drive innovation.
That's why I'm so in love with the IBC protocol and just the COSMOS frameworks,
because you will have one, two, maybe three different protocols that are doing the same thing.
Their liquid staking derivatives is a liquid staking protocol. This one's doing,
you know, this one's doing restaking, you know, it's a staking protocol, whatever it might be,
anything in DeFi. But the fact is, is that this IBC protocol allows friendly competition.
It allows people to have options within the ecosystem to choose which protocol they want
to really work with. You know, we have different options when it comes to staking protocols,
whether it is a DAO, whether it's a, really when it comes to the ecosystem, when everything is
connected at a protocol level, it really does foster innovation, because everybody who's
building on this, in this ecosystem, if they're doing one or two people doing the same thing,
they will, that fosters innovation is what I'm saying. But, but yeah, I mean, it's just,
it just makes it a very robust ecosystem. And, you know, a lot of things might not be super
compatible. Now in the industry, you know, when I have my meetings, some of the meetings I have,
they will be, you know, people building with solidity contracts, for the most part,
which is great, you know, I know that cause them wasm, this ecosystem is adapting to
be compatible with solidity. So that's really good. But, but just generally, I think that
the fact is, is that we're utilizing web assembly, which is just a sort of like a subsidiary of
we're using virtual machine in a way. So it's right your own language, it's whatever language
you want, compiles the web assembly. So you've opened up the virtual machine to many different
programming languages up to the developer to use exactly what's compatible with the web to
infrastructure. You know, you have nothing in web to nothing in this world we live in. That's not
the crypto industry. Nothing is compatible with EVM or solidity. There's no overall infrastructure
that's going to facilitate this big migration that we're all thinking of. There's just not,
I don't know, maybe there is maybe there isn't. But from what I've seen, I don't think that
there's a lot of synergy when it comes to web to and EVM and solidity world. That's why I'm so
bullish on, you know, cause them wasm, rust, smart contracts, and just being able to align yourself
with web to in a way where you can like have some compatibility there. You're gonna say something
again, Lisa? Yes, no, I was agreeing with Michael, I think what he said was beautiful. It resonated
a lot with that community and culture that is in web three, that is the collaboration aspect,
that whack me aspect that we are all gonna make it. And I feel like he said, friendly competitors,
I see it as collaborators, because this ecosystem is actually growing to be interoperable. So for
me, super important, what he said, and resonated with that community aspect, like is there is a
space for everyone at the top. So let's all build together, you know, so corium is actually making
the space, I believe, more developer friendly, and more user friendly as well, by adopting all of these
technologies like Cosmo wasm, that developers who know rust can enter the space, you know,
and now they are bringing solidity for the ones that only came to the space knowing how to
code solidity. So it just I'm sentimental. Got it. Got it. And so it's funny, this is this brings
about maybe an entire new Twitter spaces topic that I'd love to dive into and see what we can do
in the in the minutes that we have left about selection, and giving people choice. I think
fundamentally, people want choice. But the Libra in me, and so that's my, you know, astrological
sign is Libra wants balance. And one of the biggest challenges in having selection is there is
something as too much. And there is something as too little. And so being in the US, I think, for
example, we don't have enough selection in no political parties, maybe, right? It's pretty much
A or B and A and B are both suck. But at the same time, in the crypto world, one would argue
that we're in the phase of growth of figuring out what works. And the process of doing that much
like very early internet, we didn't we we don't have good standards. And therefore, we have a lot
of selection. Almost on the order of magnitude of imagine if we had multiple internets, right?
Imagine the internet was born, and there were multiple competitors to internet, all with a
decent amount of adoption. What would the internet feel like it would feel pretty fragmented. So
selection also means fragmentation. So the two are kind of two ways of saying the same thing,
but one sounds negative and one sounds positive. What do you see is the like, say we are finally at
at the end of not the end of the line, in a way like the beginning of the line of crypto adoption,
where we are by de facto standard, right, transmitting value over cryptocurrency networks.
We are by de facto standard, even at the highest level of organization at the government level,
accepting money, paying money holding value using cryptocurrency networks.
What does that look like from the viewpoint of selection to you guys? What would how broad is
our selection at that point? Or how narrow is it in a way that we've found balance in our world?
What do you what do you think you you view that future to be like is, I don't view it as being
what we have today. Like I think that's too large and too fragmented. But I sure as hell don't want
it to be what it looks like in the fiat world, where it's super centralized and controlled,
pretty much like one option for government. Yeah. What is it? Like, yeah, what does that
feel like? What do you think that experience will feel like going forward?
And what is money? You know, that's the that's the other question we have to ask ourselves,
what is money? What is currency? You know, it's current money, right? It's basically what you can
pay taxes with all you can in the US, for instance, you can only pay your taxes with USD. Until that
sort of changes, you know, you have like stable coins being able to, you can pay your taxes with
stable coins. I think that's a huge step forward when it comes to payments. Yeah, just payments,
not crypto is a currency, but crypto is a payment method for an existing currency such as the dollar.
That's what I've always said. It's not a currency, in my opinion. I will again,
see as a payment method. Again, yeah. And again, I would say it's only a currency when it can be
accepted by the government for taxes or things like that, or if I can spend it at a Starbucks.
Really, like I said, you can only do that with USD. So my vision, really, Paul,
that I see right now, and maybe this won't even answer your question,
but I see neobanks being the first catalyst to, I would say, sort of like regulated crypto adoption.
You know, you're not going to have a blockchain network provide the facilitation of perhaps
transactions initially, right? It wouldn't be that initially, but I do see the initial
catalyst would be the fact that everyone has a Venmo, everyone has a cash app, everyone,
even the unbanked, they have those things. So I do believe that those will be the first
sort of banks that will adopt central bank digital currencies, and then they will employ
different networks. I mean, you're already seeing cash app, you can buy Bitcoin there,
they're already adopting these technologies for the bridge. Yeah, exactly. And that just gives us
more of an idea that we are in an analogy that I would say is that we are in the national anthem
of the baseball game, you know, if we were to put us in where we are with crypto adoption,
you know, we're very much in the beginning. So I can imagine you could see Corin fitting in
with the neobanks as a method of communicating value between each other,
in whatever asset they kind of choose to communicate that value.
Exactly. And also just to put another piece to that, Paul,
is that these neobanks, let's say they do want to utilize Corium. That's great. But they can also
utilize the other blockchains within IBC. And again, these are all more of the legacy chains,
and you'll see Therium, you'll see Solana, you'll see Polkadot. So we're kind of painting this
picture of how we're going to move into this cross chain environment. And it's all getting
adopted right now with the IBC protocol. Anna, Lisa and Zach, I'd love to kind of segue it over
to you too. No, I think then the next question is, how do you keep Corium to be sustainable
if there is all of the solar competitors, right? And I think the key is by onboarding
institutions and neobankings. And that's the way of massive adoption. And that's how
Corium is going to keep its relevance by being an enterprise grade blockchain.
I don't know if Zach wants to say anything else, but that's how I see
Corium being sustainable and scalable as well. Yeah, and to add to that,
Corium is obviously completely decentralized, right? And I think a lot of times, especially
in crypto and web3, you have this illusion of selection, or not even in web3. And even in
normal day life, you go to the supermarket, there's 50 different chips on the shelf, but
really, you're only selecting from two or three companies, right? So there's this oftentimes,
I like to call it decentralized theater, where a lot of things seem decentralized, but at the
same time, there's susceptible to vulnerabilities and scalability issues. And I think one thing
with Corium, it's the fact that it truly is decentralized, and it can grow and adapt as it
needs, especially when competing with other ones. Exactly. And just to add to that, I don't think
a government such as the US is going to adopt one of the many blockchains that there is. The
government is not going to choose Ethereum to build on Ethereum. I think probably they're going
to build their own blockchain, right? I think how the government and how we are going to be adopted
all of these blockchains is by the push of money, transactions of crypto, that is institutions and
neo banks. Smaller groups, you kind of start with smaller entities that have the word gain from the
adoption of a brand new tech and less to lose. The larger you are, the more you have to lose by
effectively competitive technology. And to segue a little bit, how amazing would be in the future
now the elections are coming, right? How cool could it would be to have a transparent public
blockchain to see the vote, like the election process. And oh my God, to see where my taxes
are going, like if the next governor of California is listening to this space, and he runs with a
crypto campaign to see where my taxes are going, I'll vote for you.
I definitely would love to know where my taxes are going. However, I don't want my I don't ever
want my name associated to my vote. That's probably the biggest challenge. No. And that's
actually why I love it. Yeah, exactly. You want anonymous voting, which unfortunately, I don't
think because there hasn't been a good protocol for any kind of weird blockchain voting that would
keep my vote anonymous. And that's probably the biggest challenge. So in the meantime, I've
promoted this video that's been around since around 2013, called the cardboard box reform theory,
I encourage everyone to check it out short. But it basically promotes the idea that the best
technology for fair voting is literally cardboard box piece of paper and in the closed voting booth,
and nothing beats it. I know. And so anyway, it's a separate segue, but it actually goes into a lot
of detail and history around that. I would love to know how did you enter this space? How do you
begin? So personally, I've been in technology for quite some time. I'm former Nvidia, I worked there
before they were back when you use graphics chips for actually rendering graphics, like for games,
come to those days, when GPUs were for graphics, you know, that's for the for those that don't know
the G and a GPU stands for graphics. And so back in those days, I love games, I play games all the
time. And we obviously powered modeling apps, but I left technology for about 10 years, I left it to
go into small business for actually health reasons. And I never thought I'd go back until I discovered
Bitcoin 2013. And it fascinated me on all levels. I mean, if you think about it, the technology in
and of itself, just like wow, this solves one of the hardest problems in computer science, right?
That that that problem being solved by Satoshi, fascinated me from the technical point of view,
from a payments point of view, I'm not sure how many of you have ever worked in small business of
any of you raise your hand and put a little heart on here if you've ever worked in small business.
But if you if you have, you've probably taken payments, maybe took cash payments,
credit card payments. And you realize, oh, okay, there we go. It depends what you
consider a micro discussion. Well, yeah, micro payments, you know, dollar shots, I worked.
But having managed small business, you don't realize that that three, 4%, you get charged
by the credit card, it's only part of the fee. But then the fraud that you'll get on top of that
and the chargebacks is this thing that's that you just accept, you accept it's like more like five,
6%, because of the fraud and charge back, you're just gonna get it's just part of the cost of doing
business. Well, if we had the micro payments, Paul, you would be able to kind of, I mean, really
facilitate a lot of businesses online. And I think it could actually kill the ad revenue business or
sort of the ad, just in general, the ad, people paying to Yeah, people paying instead of them
being the product, like how much how much Paul would you pay for a Google search, just an
individual Google search, maybe a 10th of a penny, right? Maybe a 10th. Well, let's say this, I pay
$20 a month right now, because our chat GPT, which is exactly it's kind of like the search engine of
last week with just outdated search. So what if what if you were to what if what if you can get
charged, what if you can get charged for every chat GPT search, you know, this this and really
that that, in my opinion, is going to be the real just a real vertical when it comes to blockchain
adoption, micro payments are going to be the biggest thing that you need in the world. Because
I think it's really the consumer wants that most most merchants don't. So coming from the merchant
side, one of the other businesses I used to work for immediately at the time that I discovered
Bitcoin was actually a gym. So I was a manager, program manager at a climbing gym actually here
in San Diego, probably not too far from where you're at and Lisa and recurring payments are what
businesses want hate to say it started with like the porn industry, but then everyone else just
kind of followed to it's a great give me your card pull payments and you just forget about it and
keep making money. So there is this challenge in the crypto world of getting adoption on both sides,
because you need both merchants and you need consumers and appealing to both is is one of
the challenges. But from the viewpoint, I came from a merchant side, where it appealed to me was
the once I received money, it's mine. Right? There's no chargebacks. I'm not applying for PCI
compliance, you know, 300 question, document questionnaire that have to fill out and still,
still be liable for for someone stealing someone else's credit card as a merchant.
That that appealed to me. And the discovery of Bitcoin that year in 2013 was another aha moment
from the viewpoint of payments. And then at that point in time in my life, I was already starting
to realize that a lot of the biggest organizations in our world lie to us about what the truth of
reality and how the world should work. And Bitcoin seemed to upset all of those people.
And so, you know, anybody might say Bitcoin, though, I also just like, are you talking about
the Lightning Network? I'm just trying to understand 2013. There was nothing I realized in 2013.
There was now we kind of now we're kind of now we're kind of off in some other. I don't know what
to call it. Is it Bitcoin or because I don't know. Exactly. Or is it layer two is all these
central? Yeah, all these centralized products built on top of BTC really defeats the whole
purpose of crypto in my opinion. No, absolutely. And realize that I mean, yeah, this is this is
to answer the question. Hey, when did I and why did I get involved in the Bitcoin space? And it
was the narrative in 2013. And admittedly, that narrative changed for me, not for me,
but for Bitcoin. And hence I've expanded and expanded and been interested in projects like
Cosmos and out of ecosystem, like Ethereum from the viewpoint of programmability, although it
didn't scale very well. And then also into into privacy coins, we're big into privacy here at
Edge. That's one of our biggest focuses is privacy, both at protocol level and supporting
those protocols, as well as at our app level. So I got interested in that. But it did expand,
but all started with the narrative that Bitcoin had when I got involved, which was 2013. And it
privacy to a strong degree at that point in time. And even though that's that's changed over the
years, realize that those are the things that made me very interested and passionate about it enough
to be what I called the worst employee the last month of my job. All it was listen to podcasts
and read blog articles and news articles about Bitcoin. And I just couldn't focus. And for their
benefit, I said, you know, I really should quit. And so I quit. And then from there, you know,
formed a company because I felt like the ecosystem needed something better. And that sentiment was
brewing since the 70s with Hal Finney and the cipher banks. And then finally, in 2009, when
when Satoshi comes out with a white paper, everything fell into place.
And shout out to Hal Finney for that for the ones that are cipher banks in the audience.
But I wanted to know, is that how that's how Edge Wallet starts in 2013?
A little after that, 2014, I started the idea and the technical white paper for the architecture for
Edge. I had started writing in 2013. My co founder, William Swanson came on.
We came together in like December of 2013 and really hit the ground running in January of 2014.
So it wasn't edge at the time of the pioneers. I don't know if you call it pioneer. I like to
build stuff and found great people to help build with me. And so we came together at that time,
it was an edge at the time, our company and product were called AirBits. And it was focused
around actually merchant adoption payments with NFC and Bluetooth payments in the app,
a merchant directory and where you can spend Bitcoin. And as you know, mentioned, Bitcoin kind
of changed and the narrative wasn't around payments, those are on modeling. And so our company
changed around that to try to adopt and embrace a lot of the different chains that were being
built to really, I don't call it augment, but supplement what Bitcoin wasn't very good at.
So Bitcoin has its strength, but it also has its weaknesses. And we saw
the plethora of other projects come about. And so we wanted to support those. And then out came
Edge in 2018, which was then focused not around payments, but being able to exchange, transfer,
buy, sell, trade, and now definitely earn yield. And I like the fact that you're now giving
opportunity for people to earn yield with XRP because that wasn't really an opportunity
for people. You couldn't even validate our stake. The only thing you could do is just
use it and receive it. And so that's been kind of the trajectory of the company and the project
over the years. But we've definitely been building for quite some time, very mostly head down,
because we just like to kind of build and create product for sure. And you talked about privacy
and security. So how does Edge ensures these security and personal information of the users?
So number one, we don't collect personal information. That's a basic start, right? We
don't collect personal information. When you use Edge, you create a username and password,
but that can be anything you want. We don't see the password, we don't see the username,
everything is encrypted and hashed. As well, we're open source. And I think that's a really
hard thing to find now. Back when we had first founded, everything was open source. That was
not a feature. That was the standard. You couldn't compete in the space of Bitcoin wallets,
unless you were open source. Now it's like, wow, where's any of our open source competitors? So
they are few and far between at this point. So people can validate that what we say is what we're
doing. And part of that open source thing that we say is, well, we don't actually track users. So
there's many apps on the market. People don't realize this, or maybe some people do. When you
use your average app that you download off the app stores, that thing is practically taking a
video of everything you're doing. They look at every gesture. And they can tell when you're
scrolling in your Instagram, when you pause, or when you pinch in zoom, where you take a screenshot,
they know everything. And that's all fed into AI that's been existing way before chat GP2.
And they know, they know every piece of your heart and soul, and know how to market to you,
where you are, who your friends are, all that is missing an edge. We don't do any of that.
So there's a very, very light amount of tracking, for example, crashes. So if there's a crash, or
there's an error that shows up, that will go to a crash reporting server. If you do actions that are
conversions, we call conversions in our app, such as things like, you know, you do a swap,
which would go to an exchange partner or to a DEX. Those are things that the open network would
already know. We'll track that. It's the kind of thing we could already know anyway, if we wanted
to. So we'll go ahead and track that. But when you just navigate around the app and move around,
we don't know what you're doing, right? And our open source code proves that. So that's another
aspect of the privacy, as well, rich support for privacy currencies, we were the first multi asset
app to support Monero, probably like the second or so multi asset app to support zcash, first to
support pirate chain, which is zcash fork. And we're always on the lookout, because we do
fundamentally think that privacy is a key piece that a lot of crypto is missing. And we need that
as an option. You know, I think there's a few different verticals of crypto that will be mass
adopted, obviously, smart contract platform or platforms are needed. But as well, we'll also need
a privacy level platform, probably for rapid payments. And then there's a few other things,
you know, the store of value and error is what Bitcoin is really kind of captured.
But yeah, that's one of our focuses and how we execute on that focus on the level of privacy.
I think you'd ask what security as well. Yes, I did. And just to segue a little bit,
I actually I'm a I'm a use edge wallet user. I now that I know your Yeah, now that I know your
background on gaming, I can, I can tell why the app is so functional and user friendly.
I personally like it way more than Metamask, for example. But yeah, no, definitely. I want to
let the audience know your future plans, for example, are you planning on gamifying more the
app or? Yeah, so gamification is even though I come from the gaming world back in the days of
Nvidia. One of the biggest challenge in gamification is, is the fact that we're so private.
So given here's a clear example of what we'd love to do, like our growth team would love to do,
we'd like to say, Hey, do for swaps and edge, and we'll give you a point, which means nothing,
right? It could just be like a star on your account, a loyalty program, a loyalty point,
right. But when you do a swap and edge, although we see that that swap happened, right, that might
go through one of our exchange partners or a DEX, we see that swap happen. When you do a second swap,
we have no idea that that's the same person. We have no idea that's the same account. Yeah,
so there could be 100,000 swaps that occur in, you know, say a week, we don't know if that's 100,000
people, or that's one person doing 100,000 swaps. But it's sure as annoying for our growth team
that wants to do cool little gamification things, you know, and really, that's been one of the
biggest hindrances is that we have such a strong focus on on privacy. There's a lot that we can't
do on on the growth side, which is like the de facto standard, if you talk to anyone in like
app and startups, Silicon Valley, all of them, like, they would hate to hear what we do. Like,
they're just like, you know, but fundamentally, we feel like the world is changing, people are
starting to care more about privacy. And, you know, we're gonna bank on that. If the world completely
goes in opposite direction, like everyone throws their privacy out the window, we become completely
surveillance state and whatnot, then we'll just die on that hill, right. And I'm okay, because I'm
okay with dying on that hill, because I didn't form the company to make the next evil Google and,
you know, multi hundred billion dollar company, that's not my goal. Right. The goal is to drive
adoption of the ideals that cryptocurrency was built for. And if we get that adoption, I know
we'll be financially successful. Right. But it's it's not financially successful first at any cost,
it's built we want to see in this world. And the mass adoption will will bring us that level of
success. And I think crypto is really built around that ethos. If Satoshi were alive today,
and all of his coins were accessible, he would be very, very financially stable,
even though all he did was build a system that was meant to obviously provide economic freedom.
What if you're what if you're Satoshi, Paul? Maybe you could be Satoshi.
I would I would agree with those points by now. Those points would have moved years ago.
Because I'd be I'd be doing a whole lot with those coins at this point in time.
I'd be moving, shaking, you know, I don't call it donating or bribing, but I'd be bribing
to politicians. I do have to say, though, Paul, I know that Coriam is supported on a few other
wallets. But over the over the past week, I was kind of fiddling around and using the edge wallet.
And I do have to say it's it is one of the more intuitive wallets, I would have to say.
Well, thank you. We're in regards to all the ones that were supported on.
Oh, cool. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate that. And know that we are never satisfied with,
you know, people saying that it that it's a good app. So let us have it from the viewpoint of as
you use the app and where you find you would like it to improve. And this is to everyone
listening and whether it be the recorded spaces or live right now, do send us whatever feedback
you might have, because we have no other way of knowing. We literally don't. We can't tell when
you don't like something or you stutter install inside of the app because you don't know where
you're going. There's no way for us to know that. So the privacy means that the only way for us to
know is you have to tell us. And we're absolutely open ears. So an easy way to get in contact with
us are websites edge dot app. And from there, you can find everything on Twitter, you know,
our LinkedIn profiles, you name it. And so find any way to contact us when you have feedback
requests, complaints, you name it. And if Paul doesn't answer, just message me and I'll get a
hold of Paul. That you will. Very cool. I'm sure he'll get back to you guys. Yeah, no, I love it.
Cool, cool. Yeah, well, thanks. Thanks for that question. Letting us kind of expand on what we're
very happy to get this integration. I think we didn't really fully cover what the integration is,
but we can end with that. You know, what what exactly are we now supporting within the
intersection of Edge and Corium? And so launched live so you can use it in Edge. They obviously
support for for Corium itself on on chain. But we've got a handful of tokens as well.
And staking a Corium and soon to come, which is not quite live yet support for all a handful of
other cosmos based chains and the IBC protocol, where you're going to be able to bridge various
assets between the different chains, of course, including Corium ability to maybe, you know,
we have also very rich Fiat on and off ramp support, will be supporting some really we're
at the mercy of some of our Fiat on and off ramps, and what they support. And at this point, even if
they don't support Corium, you can easily get going at Adam and then bridge that over into
Corium, swap it into Corium one. So although we do have one upcoming. I'll go one Paul.
Oh, I was gonna say we do have one upcoming Fiat on and off ramp for at least those users that are
in the US, which is a big, big cosmos supporter that you know, from whatever will be supporting
Corium natively. So we'll be able to get it right. You probably do know the name. Yeah,
just know that you say. Yeah, exactly. Because yeah, that'll be a really good sort of like
synergy with Corium as well. Exactly. In regards to like native dapps launching on Corium. I know
there's one or two, but I guess one very sort of notable one that just launched as pulsar. I think
I mentioned that earlier, is there any plans to integrate, let's say like, like an API on edge
wallet where users can kind of utilize edge wallet and have that wallet connect to pulsar?
Would that be something in the future that you could see? So if pulsar is a dapp simply on like
a standard website, we want to get it I left out was we are adding support for wallet connect.
Perfect. So people will be able to connect edge to any wallet connect compatible dapps.
And people aren't familiar with wallet connect, it's a way for your wallet on typically mobile
to connect to a dapp and then sign transactions for those dapps so that the keys never leave the
device, you sign the transactions on your device, but be able to do fancier things and just send
and receive, you can do things like swapping and staking, borrowing and lending or whatever dapps
are music to my ears, Paul, call it music to my ears. Yep. So we'll have wallet connect, we'll be
able to do that no problem at all for sure. And we're already actively using it and testing it
should go live actually pretty soon. Yes. And to go back about the integration for the audience
right now, you can actually buy Korean on edge, consent and receive. I believe staking is not
live. We haven't hit that milestone yet. But we're going to have the staking IBC inter blockchain
communication that meaning you're going to be able to send swap as well with other IBC tokens.
We're going to have the XRP connectivity, XRPL connectivity, which is great. Once we have the
two way breach live to XRP on Korean. And what else? What other features do we have
for the near future? We knocked the wallet connect IBC, the bridging across IBC,
the staking for sure. That one, that one's a must have. I think we covered most of it there.
If I've left anything out, our main developer that's been working on us will kill me,
because he's working hard on getting a lot of the functionality. And I think we covered a
vast majority of it right there. tokens, smart token support for sure. Yeah, I think we've got
that covered. And if there's any feedback from anyone in the audience listening to this,
as far as what you think we might be missing in the in the quorum or greater cosmos ecosystem,
as far as functionality, do holler. Let us know. I think we'll definitely strongly consider.
I think you could. I think there would be feasibility to call to look into a DAO structure.
I don't know, just just an idea that it's kind of spitball in here.
DAO structure is supporting DAOs with an edge or for the company exactly.
Well, you know, I've looked at that. I was supporting those. Yeah. So that primarily
because DAOs require fairly unique, we call transaction types, sure, and interfaces. One
of the challenges for edge is creating an interface that supports more than one type of DAO. And
that's where I think the DAP and wallet connect wallet connect, definitely type of functionality
send you a link to after this call. I have Yeah, there's a really great product on Cosmos called
DAO DAO that basically modularized. I guess I don't know if that's a real word, but they've
basically created a DAO module as a public good for all the cosmos chains. So if let's say someone
wants to create a DAO on any cosmos chain, they utilize the smart contract from DAO DAO. And it's
all standardized within this whole ecosystem. So I think if you were to, yeah, again, I'll send you
a link. I have a lot of ideas. But I'm really excited for this integration. Because honestly,
what you're hearing now, everyone who's listening, I do believe that this is just the beginning of
something very fruitful. No, exactly. And I'm excited about working closely as well with XRPL.
For those that don't know, we've partnered closely with with Ripple themselves, like the company
behind it, to getting rich XRPL support in edge. And so edge, I think is also one of the I think
it's the only multi asset app that supports the XRPL decks directly inside of it. And so people
can actually go and swap between XRP and Bitstamp Euro and, you know, a few other other mostly stable
coins, right? Those are the ones that have the best liquidity with an XRPL. And it sounds like we
potentially can even bridge those over into the IBC ecosystem, which we don't currently have on
the roadmap. But that would be a fascinating way to really appeal to folks wanting to be able to
take their tokens on XRP and actually use them, fancy your ways, like you said, stake them,
earn yield with them, potentially swap them for other assets. That would be a fascinating
use case. So I'm excited about that. We have a debt or we have a debts. It's pretty interesting.
We have a debts that's building on Corium that's also building another project on Stellar.
It's called their project on Stellar is called Phoenix DeFi Hub. And they're building another
project on Corium called Welp. High level sort of like sort of like a sort of like an aim that
that team is trying to do is sort of connect these ecosystems together, Cosmos and Stellar.
And that team has a very good foothold within the Cosmos ecosystem.
So again, it's just prefacing, you know, the bridging and interoperability and utilizing IBC
to make that happen. So having these projects, you know, building directly on Corium can really
drive that drive the growth for the general ecosystem. But that's a bit off topic, I know,
but we're running at a time. I just thought I'd put that out there, I guess.
It's very cool. You know, I see a lot a lot of growth potential here. So I'm very excited about
the partnership. Thanks a whole lot to you guys for joining the spaces and helping host this,
and to everyone that kind of chimed in and joined and listened in as well.
Don't forget to like and follow us and follow it wallet as well on social media on Twitter and
YouTube as well. Instagram are everywhere. I did make a little video about how to use Edge Wallet
and Integra swaps and receive a state Corium on Edge Wallet as well. That's on Twitter for the
ones that want to check it out as well. But thank you. Thank you so much for the invitation. And
I'm really excited about this partnership. What's the best way for people to contact or learn more
about Corium? What's the main place to go? Corium.com for sure. Simple. Perfect. Cool.
And if you want to look for Edge, Edge.app. Yes. And everything's on social media as well. We are
social media's Corium official on LinkedIn as well. If you want to reach out for partnerships,
events. And we actually partner, and this is just to end the space. We partner with University of
Calgary and the University of California Irvine with their student associations to host a developer
workshop and teach them about smart tokens and smart contracts. And we're going to help them
create their DAO infrastructure for the university. So we have more in the pipeline, but I just wanted
to quick shout out to those universities. And if you're a student, we have a student ambassador
program. So go to Corium.com or to our social media, learn more about the program and apply.
Oh my God, that's awesome. Nothing better than ambassadors boots on the ground,
you know, helping promote and grow education. Yes, I think the education is the first step. So
we're really happy to be in partnering with the universities and with the students.
Very cool. Awesome to hear. Cool. Thanks a lot. I think that's a good wrap. Hopefully we'll just
we'll do this again, maybe at the launch of a whole lot of new features and with any changes
that happen to have come across the Corium ecosystem. This will be one of many, Paul.
Cool. Really appreciate it. Thanks a lot guys. Thanks for going home. Thanks Zach. And thanks
and Lisa. Thanks to everyone. Take care of everyone listening. Thank you. Thank you so much.