Projects
![]()
No projects found
Investors
New
DAO Treasuries
DATs
Lend / Borrow APRs
Chains
Categories
Spaces
🇦🇺🌌Midnight Down Under Why Midnight Exists
Recorded: June 5, 2026 Duration: 2:28:01Space Recording
Full Transcription
Okay.
Good morning, Spy. How you going today?
I just. Hey, how are you? Yes, I'm doing great. Good morning. Good morning. Just,
just testing all my speakers and. Headset and stuff because I listened to the last weeks
and it seemed like my yeah my microphone was really loud so oh jump in
a little bit earlier oh good okay yeah cool yeah and um yeah everyone will start coming in soon. Oh,
okay, good. How've you been? Oh, I've been really so busy. After Build Club, Build Club took like
eight weeks, and I mean, I had homework like every day, so it was like being in
college all over again. It was kind of strange, but exciting. Oh, I'm very excited for you,
and I'm very excited to hear what you have to talk about tonight. Oh, good. Very exciting.
Excellent. Yeah. So, hopefully, oh. As always, every week, hopefully, hopefully people join. Oh,
that's okay. Okay, I've had some where nobody's joined, and I do it anyways because I record them.
When I was first doing Midnight Underground and just ideas for us posting back in like December
and January, and nobody would come, I'd be like, "Hi, it's by Crypto.
I'm gonna do gonna do this space anyways, even though no one's here." Yeah. Oh, that's funny.
That's hilarious! Yeah. I'll be having Jinx co-host tonight. He's been doing a lovely job. Oh good.
Helping me until Pete comes on. Oh good. Usually, yeah. Usually, Pete's a little bit later.
He's just normally putting the kids to bed and stuff, and doing house chores. Oh good. Yep.
Plenty of those. Yeah. So I'll just quickly. Just go through an opening script here. So,
good morning, everyone, and morning to the night, the mid, the midnight down under.
Great to have you all here. We'll give everyone a few minutes to filter in before we get into
tonight's topic. Yep, that sounds good. Hi, Jinx. Hello, hello. How's everybody doing? And Jaco,
Jacoco, Road Art, Coco. I'm doing great. I just poured my coffee. I'm ready. Yes. No,
I wanted to do some coffee, but it's it's so so hot now. Um, afternoon here, but I'm I'm like no,
let me rather skip it for now. So have you ever? Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Oh, sorry. Um,
so Jinx's um current climate's uh summer, I believe, or it's getting into. Yes. Yes. Um,
it's um we're building up. Uh, July and August is our peak summertime. Um.
So not looking forward to it. But our rain has been way less this year than previous years.
So that's a bit weird because I think we have like let me just fact check myself
before I talk nonsense. I think we get like 2,000 millimeters of rain over the year. Sorry,
let me just check quick there. Wow, and and that makes sense because China has
some large hydro electrics and stuff like that. So Yeah, so Guangzhou gets anything
from one thousand six hundred and fifty to two thousand millimeters of rain for the year.
That's a lot. Yeah, that is. That is. That's that's massive amounts of water. Yeah. Yeah,
but luckily, luckily, I'm used to it. So even even if I'm on the bike or something,
it's it's just like normal daily life. Yeah. So in Australia, we normally have our wet season.
Just coming into summer, and it's pretty, yeah, it's pretty bad. Like it gets,
we get a lot of cyclones, and oh, yeah, a lot of, lot of tropical lows that pass through the top
of Australia. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, but us, we like on the where all the typhoons
and stuff also come past us, so. Luckily, most of the time it it will hit a Taiwan area first,
and then like simmer down, and then it gets to Hong Kong and a South side.
So we're a little bit protected in in that regard. Yeah, that's nice. And spire.
I heard over in America they don't call they don't call them cyclones; they call them hurricanes.
I'm guessing. Yes. They do. Hi, Tom John. Yes, they call them hurricanes.
We don't have any of that in Idaho. But there is a difference between hurricanes and and typhoons
and and so on. I'm not sure what the difference is, but there is there is a difference between them.
I don't know if it's the the wind speed or the amount of rain or something to that extent. Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm not that I'm not that well versed in in the weather like that. It could be direction.
That'd be quite good to to look up because. Well, when I think about you know being in a different,
obviously the opposite side of the world, I believe it could be direction.
Maybe I'll have to have a look. That's so funny! I'm turning hurricane versus typhoon. Oh, okay,
it's their location. Hurricanes form in the tropical Atlantic and Eastern Pacific,
and typhoons form in the Western Pacific. Ah, okay. That's so interesting. Tomato, tomato.
I just learn something new every day. It's so cool. Life's so exciting. Well, well,
I believe Tom Tom would know this because he used to be in the navy. I'm guessing,
so he would probably have a good idea about the difference between those two. Can you hear me? Yes,
sir. We can. Yeah, tomato, tomato. Depends on where you're from. How are you, mate? I'm good.
Good morning. I'm so sorry. I couldn't hear anything at first. I had to join in and or quit
and come back in. Everything's good now. I can hear everybody. Good morning, everyone.
Old age is not for old age is not for sissies, man. You're right. You're right. You know what?
If you can if you can avoid it, God dog it, just skip that whole part all together. Man, look, I had
the worst day yesterday at Walmart. I went in there, walking pretty pretty good. I got to the back.
We were picking up a humidifier. And just out of the blue, something happened.
My legs stopped working. Oh my gosh! I mean, literally, I had to. I had to use the cart.
I looked totally ridiculous trying to get back to the front. My wife, my poor wife, she's helping me
and everything. Yeah, skip old age. It's not worth it. Um, I think it's exciting. Yeah,
and it's also. It's also to do with how how how reckless you were when you were younger with sports
and stuff like that. So, and seeing as you were in in the service, I would assume you had
some reckless days here and there. I reckon. I reckon Tom would have been a bit of a wild boy back
in the day. I'm a wild boy now. I was going to say he hasn't changed. Apparently. That's funny.
We got a couple of Nightforce members in here. I can see Dips is here too. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
All the way from his home. He said that he wouldn't miss it. So thank you for coming in, Dips.
Thanks, Dips. Appreciate you. And Cobra, you're always in every week. And DC Dog,
is this your first time? I think it is. Wow. And oh, and Night Markets. Night Markets.
Good to see you, mate. So I thought I might just start off with a quick one.
I was talking to to Dunk today, and he said that unfortunately he couldn't make it.
So he actually had a bit of a bit of a good story. So I thought I might just start off
with this story. I've I've got it written down here. So I think he came across this on Reddit,
but it's got something pretty good to. Well, it's it's yeah, it's it's fairly relevant
for what we're talking about tonight. So. Here goes. So it wasn't all that long ago.
There was a guy that paid some subcontractors in USD on Ethereum. One of them sent him a message,
and the next day or a few days later, that basically said, "Geez, you've got a fair bit of USD
in your account." The problem is when you receive a payment transaction on ETH or ADA, etc.,
it's traversal, it's trivial, trivial, to look up the sending address. And once you've done that,
you can see their account balance and also other payments. Hey, why did Steve get
five hundred dollars more than me? Question mark. That's the problem. Midnight is trying to solve.
It's not trying to allow you to hide everything and or dodge tax obligations.
It's only trying to allow you the ability to keep some things private and some things public. So,
what do you guys think of that? Thanks, thanks, Doug, for for sending that to me. I was I really um.
Appreciate that, and I'm sorry that you couldn't be here tonight. What do What do you guys think of
that, Jinx? Oh, Coco. Yeah, hundred percent. One of my wallets. You know,
they send those micro transactions, and it's to trace that sort of information,
and it's it's a little unnerving. It's very unnerving. So to be able to have the capability
with Midnight to have some some privacy around that could help. Help us keep out some
of the the hackers we don't want around the black hats. Hundred percent,
and I actually think as well it's because you're an artist and you have you know your road art,
and potentially if you had a an NFT that you've sold and you could be getting maybe royalties
from that, you don't want people to be able to find the path back to you through your royalties,
right? Oh man, I wasn't worried about that. Yes. Now I'm worried about that. Well,
no one really thinks about that, but yeah, I've got a bit of a crazy mind. But yep. Yeah,
it's kind of ironic that that crypto in general, when you think of it,
everybody thinks it's a way to like keep your transactions. At low key,
I just had this conversation with my son-in-law, who was trying to school me. I was like, No,
that's just the opposite. Everything is on chain. It's you see it, so it's not it's secret
as you think. And that's what midnight's going to do. It's going to give us the ability to have
selective disclosure, which is exciting all by itself, and in so many ways, right?
It's going to open doors to bigger industries. That we're going to get,
we're going to get some actual. Big money moving on the space. I couldn't agree more. You know,
and that's. Jake Hager, you got your hand up. Oh, I just got a fist. I was just going to add that's
pretty ironic because that was the fundamental purpose of the blockchain when it first started,
right? Peer to peer. We don't want anyone in watching us or anything. We wanted to make sure
that you really paid me this, and I really paid you that, or you really got that.
So that was really drew people, I think, at the beginning. And now it's like, okay, too much,
too much info. Yeah, hundred percent. And like, um, when we, you know, when everyone first started,
they were like, yes, trustless. You know, we don't need to worry about any banks. You know, so,
you know, yeah, that was the first thing, right? And now we sort of come to realize
we've all matured and realize that, hey, hang on a second, we don't want people looking at
our stuff, you know, so. Yeah, it's very, it's very important. So, yeah, basically,
we all know what our topic is tonight. Hey, so I'll just read it out again. So,
tonight we're trying to tackle a question that sounds pretty simple, but it's actually one
of the most important questions in the entire Midnight ecosystem, and that's
why does Midnight exist? You know, and what what problem is Midnight actually trying to solve? So,
I reached out to Spy. She's part of the Build Club. And she's got some really amazing things that
she's building, and also Jinx. Jinx is also doing some building as well,
which his we we talked about. I think it was a couple of episodes back, and yeah, that blew me away.
What people, as soon as I heard Jinx's what he was building, I was like, damn,
there is there is a lot going on. So I might hand this over to Spy to tell us all about what
you're doing. I'm excited. I guess I could start with the way that I describe my the way I build.
I call it a theoretical, like theory, theoretical systems, a framework, and that's because,
like for instance, mine is has to do with discovery and evidence in a trial. Right
when anytime somebody's brought in front of the court, there's always something they want.
They're coming to the court. Motion is to move the court, and so what I did is my whole life
I've been in law, but not as an attorney, kind of like the under the attorney,
so like the paralegal. And I just got off. I'm sorry. I just got up, so I have my little man voice
in the morning, like we all do, except the guys. Anyway, so the reason I call it that is
because I brought in the Idaho annual reports. Most cities or people that get money from others
always have an annual report that talks about their metrics, their objectives,
and kind of what they do with the money. The other thing is there was a murder in Idaho,
and it was those four young students. And there was 68 terabytes worth of discovery,
and not one place that had all the evidence. I'll call it evidence; it's discovery, anyways.
And then most evidence you have goes to trial. So if there's documents that come in, you can.
There's certain things that have to go to the court. And if you think of it,
like every piece of evidence just about has personal information, right, about it. So
if someone wants our medical records, let's say, it's going to have everything in there.
And so what I did is I was thinking about the murders and the discovery,
and then I joined Build Club, and I was like, oh my gosh, this is going to ask me everything.
So the reason that we did this and went through Build Club and did because of Midnight's privacy,
and so I'll just give you an example. So we, so when the documents come in, they'll be dispersed,
and there's a geo locator that will tell what location, what rule pack to pull out
for that jurisdiction. I know it sounds complicated, but it's totally not. And then,
so the way that I pulled midnight in is the privacy. Not everybody in the whole staff,
like for instance, it's the the receptionist or the front desk who gets records, right?
Is typically the lowest paid person, but they get to see every single piece of private information.
And most of the things we did was medical malpractice. That I did was medical malpractice,
and it has all medical records. So why did I pick midnight for this? Ooh,
that was really easy for me to pick, because in the legal field, that's where everybody goes:
the government, healthcare, defy, right? To get their resolution of their settlements,
they all come to the courts. So the courts have to know about midnight.
So what I did is I pulled in the murder case, which was very tragic, and the 68 terabytes.
I pulled in some annual reports that the court that the every state government does every year,
and then I pulled in my project. So I was able to combine those three into one. Into one article,
and then that one's going to be published in the bar. But why did I pick midnight? Because it has
public state and private state, and state is just a simple way of saying information. Even
though it sounds like a city state, it sounds like a location. The state is just private or public,
and that's your that's where you get your that's where midnight fits in.
So let's say we're going to trial, and I have my discovery. I don't give 150 pages of discovery
to the court. I just give them one document that says yes. The other parties gave me this,
and I certify it. That's the paper that's gonna. That's what's used for the zk proofs.
Anything that has to prove to the court that you did something or you filed something,
that's for the zk the zk proofs from midnight come in. Yeah. So that's about it. I mean,
it was really sad about the murders, but when when you build right. Sorry. Hey,
let me use our library voices. Oh, mom's right here. Library voices. These two are brothers,
and they always fight. Oh gosh, sorry. Oh, you got it. Thank you very much, Spy. Sorry about that.
Okay, no, no. Thank you very much. I just got a quick question before I um uh get Jinx to answer
his question. Yeah. Um. So basically, um, for an Australian, um, your technology, um,
when when it's ready to go, who who can who can we who can utilize it? How how does that get?
How does that work? Like, say if I was a lawyer in Australia. How can I?
What what can I do to start utilizing what you're building? Ooh, that's a great question. So,
ironically, the only law school in the state of Idaho is the city and county that that murder
happened. So, for instance, when I'm ready to get get it started, the law students
are going to be placed with the firms that they're going to do their internships with,
and that's how we're going to get it into the law firms. But I, my law firm that I worked with,
my attorney worked with since 2009, that law firm is going to go ahead and take it
and do the Do all our testing and our beta, but what'll happen at the at the end of this,
we'll be able to use the geo pack into and so it senses whatever jurisdiction
that's going to be there. So we're going to do Idaho, Utah; those are very similar,
and then we're going to branch it out to the U.S. And then eventually we'd like to take it to the
to international. I I want to work with Dips on that because he has good legal contacts.
So that's That's the that's the idea, and I'm not doing it for money. I'm obviously not rich,
but I don't want. I mean, it's a different though. It's a different feeling though
when you're going through Build Club and and people are building things,
and this is like it's gonna make it. It's a different, um, not attitude
because everybody wants to do great, but it's a different feel. Like for me,
I'm not in it for the money, so it lets me concentrate on what's what's going on here,
how we can help the world, so to speak. But yeah, that's it. Amazing. Thank you for for that.
It's yeah, it's really good to just see what everyone's doing. Hey, in the like,
especially for myself, like you know, I work, I'm a dad, you know, and I'm trying to fit in being
a an ambassador also as well. So it's very good to see stuff that you don't get to see normally in
in real day life. So no, thank you very much, Spy, for showing that, Jinx. So spy,
I'm gonna throw a spanner in your works. I do. Let's go. Throw you off course. Okay.
So you you know each EU, UK, USA, wherever it is, has different regulations around.
Your private information that gets stored on websites, blah blah blah, all of that stuff. Now,
so also just for context, my reference point for these type of questions is from from me coming from
South Africa. So we have a thing called the Poppy Act, which is the protection
of personal information. That is a relatively new law that has been passed in the recent years, but.
Similar stuff should exist in other regions, and if you look at businesses,
businesses normally require to keep financial records and stuff like that, physical copies for
five years for auditing purposes and stuff like that. Now, do you think that the type
of Data capturing and recording that you want to do with within the legal system, with evidence
and whatever. Do you think there's room for evolution into that sort of side
of data protection stuff, like that? Like you get businesses that are built just to store
physical documents and stuff. For companies and businesses, or whatever the case might be,
because first of all, that that's obviously space that gets taken up just to store stuff,
and then it needs to be recycled. So there's obviously an environmental factor
to it as well that needs to be weighed up between that route and the normal like data center route
as well. But yeah, I'm curious to know how. Data protection in that sense,
not necessarily directly for an individual, but maybe records for a company itself.
How that can be incorporated into your idea or a site. Evolution of your idea. Well,
I'm glad you asked that question because most agencies do have a records retention policy,
and so another gentleman that was in Build Club created D Storage, and that is something
that'll be attached because every healthcare, defi education, they all have data that
they have to keep, public and private, and so D Storage was one of the other classmates.
So I'm probably going to incorporate his DAP and connect it to mine. I also,
because once you go to court, typically you have a jury, unless you ask for a bench trial,
then it's just the judge that decides. But typically you have a jury, so you'll have so you'll have.
So so I did two things. One for the for the storage, I'm going to reach out to another member
of the bill club for D storage, and then that'll tackle that. And then there was oh gosh,
it was just another component too. D storage and the other one that you were saying was privacy. Oh,
I can't remember the other one. Oh, and so I'm sorry. That's I did. I was talking about
my jury doubt. So it's a voting one because um, it's uh. So I guess what I'm saying is
I can attach anything to the doubt. So for instance, if we were to do India, right?
I would have to pull in, or we would have to have the geolocator. Sense that it's in India
or Australia, so that's why we're going to start in the U.S. Because it's just going to be
minor changes going from state to state. And once we're able to do that,
we'll be able to go to other countries. But that's exactly right. Even us ourselves will have
our own storage because we should be in charge of our own data. And so that's
where de-storage comes through. And guys, let me tell you something. Not everybody has been thought.
Not everything has been thought of. So if you're thinking of something, you're like, nah.
Somebody probably already did it. Not true. But definitely go to the ecosystem on midnight,
and I can throw the link if I need to. And it shows all the things. That's where I went first
before I started to build. Like, what is it already done? Can I use a piece of it? And so, yep.
So then, I built that jury gap because jury the the the jury's evidence
or the exhibits for trial comes from the discovery, comes from the evidence, right?
That's what typically goes to prove is evidence. And so, yep, that's that.
Did that answer your questions? Or and and you guys, yes. I am sixty years old, so it doesn't.
Your age doesn't mean anything. Your education. I mean, I'm glad you guys went to get any degrees,
but it truly is not. It doesn't matter, like really, what you know. It's so easy to do it to build.
So one one thing that I that I would that I've been wondering about since I started with Midnight
and it sort of relates to what what you are building as well is obviously with Midnight you have
the ability to prove something without revealing it we all we all know that that statement
but my question is when you especially like with documents like you you were talking about.
I'm very curious to know that first initial step in the process of recording the documents
and so on, to basically to prove the authentication or authenticity of the document or information,
whatever it is that you want to record onto Midnight, in order to prove it at the latest stage.
I'm I'm I'm wondering if somebody is thinking about that stage already,
because obviously there's still a level of trust or research or whatever depends on what it is
that you are trying to record in that initial step. How how how secure
or or reliable that that first step could be. Well, it's gonna sense. It'll sense the the the DAP
will sense where what what rule pack and what country you're going to be from.
It's not quite there yet, right? Because we are going to beta it here in Idaho, where I live.
But what that'll look like is I'll get a I'll get a some documents. Typically,
it comes electronically these days. Usually, you get a stack of documents,
and then when you have your electronic, however you get them, you put it into, gosh, I I don't know
how else to say it. You scan it or somehow get it OCR and put into the DAP, right?
We've got to see what's in the documents first, and then the OCR. You guys know what that is, right?
It's when the the computer reads it left, right, up, down. It kind of covers everything,
and then that's where the that's where the state or on or offline state. That's where that happens.
So the program should be able, the algorithm should be able to read it and say, Oh, Idaho. Okay,
we're going to put it here. Oh, wait, that is privileged or that has redacted information.
It's going to go here. Is that kind of what you're asking? No, no, no. So let let me rephrase it.
So murder case, for example, you guys received evidence that needs to be processed. Now.
How my question is: How can we know that the evidence that that has been recorded,
that all of it is actually authentic, and that officers didn't write down nonsense
or something to that extent? That is that is a part that I'm that I'm curious about because we know
how it will work once it's been recorded and how to prove it and all of that.
I wonder if if there's a way that midnight can be utilized in that initial step already. Somehow,
I don't. I don't know. That's always been an issue. That there has always been an issue. Well,
is the signatures authentic? Is the person that wrote those things is it actually them? Well,
I can tell you when we get records or when I get records here in the U.S.,
it typically comes with a declaration. That says I spy crypto, and I reviewed these documents.
And there's 56 documents, and they're from this office. That's that's as far as the extent that
we get, and that just tells us that it was received, what day it was received, and who it is from.
It doesn't authenticate what's in it, and and that's how we get records. I mean,
the person will just say, "I'm the records custodian, and these records came from
this doctor's office." So it's more of like that's how we get any kind of affirmation
or declaration that those are are actually from a specific area. Now the document,
what's in the documents, that's usually what goes to trial is someone's someone's arguing about
something in those documents. But as far as proving those documents are from,
like if I get something from the hospital, it'll say this is from the custodian. This is 322 pages,
and I swear to you that this came from St. Luke's Medical Center. That's about to the extent
of authenticity that we get here in in in the states. Yeah, excellent. So, Spy.
For anyone that wants to build anything on Midnight, how how would you how would you explain to them
how to start? The first thing I would do is I would direct them to the Midnight ecosystem page
because it has a ton of DApps that were already made. And if you want to take one of those
because we're all open source, or even mine, you can go into my GitHub and do auto discovery
and look at it. And So let's see. The best way to get started is to do that,
and then there is a link, and I'll put it up to Build Club. And typically,
Build Club's like the last, the last path that people usually take. I believe they do the Elite,
and I'm an Elite candidate, but I was in the middle of Build Club, so I'm a, I'm still a candidate.
That's okay though. What? Um. So if I was, if I was like fresh, like never seen anything before,
right? And I had an idea, right? Um. And I didn't even know how to use GitHub, for an example.
If I applied for this, would that would there be people that could help you do all that stuff
from the start to the finish? I'm going to say yes because I didn't have a GitHub.
I didn't even know what that was. I kept thinking why people kept putting GrubHub
because if you look at it quickly, it looks like GrubHub. Okay. The nice the nice thing
about Build Club is is um. They obviously they help you with the technical side of things,
but they also help you with the business side of things, and that that relates to your your setting
up of your GitHub if you don't know how all of that stuff. There's various experts
in different fields that you can call upon. I can't hear you anymore. However,
I can you guys hear me? Uh, I can hear. Okay. Um. Yeah. So what I would what I would add to it is.
I can't hear him anymore. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, I can hear spy. Can you hear me?
I can hear you. Okay, good. Well then, I guess I'll keep talking. Yeah. I don't know what happened.
Oh, he let? Did he leave? Jinx, I can't hear you. Oh no, he's still, he's still here. I think.
Anyways, well, let me just tell you guys this. Um, I didn't know anything about building,
or I was just a domain expert, and I thought that that was not going to be enough.
But it's so important to have a domain expert, somebody that knows the field.
Like I know judges already here. I know attorneys. Um, St. Luke's is going to be one
of our beta testers, and they're all over the United States, and so um.
Just think about what you what you see as a problem in your community,
and you can literally go with, "Hi, here's the problem. Looks like we have 68 terabytes worth
of information, and we didn't even know how to disperse it. Is anybody working on that?" So,
just be brave, ask questions. I guess that's all I could think of. Sounds good. So,
what's you're talking about a domain? Is that? I'll go ahead and grab the link for Build Club
and stick it in here. But guys, don't be shy if you have an idea. Reach out, apply for Build Club.
They might have builders that can help you with your project. And so, just ask.
There's questions that haven't been asked before, so be brave, ask them,
and you can always reach into my DMs. I'm always available for questions, also. Okay,
now I'm going to stop a second so I can go get that link. Excellent. I see there's a lot of
Night Forces in the in the house tonight. I see Loza. Thank you very much for coming in. And I see.
And Build Club is chain agnostic, so it doesn't matter if you build in Rust
or whatever you build in. You can definitely apply. Yeah. All right. There's the post.
Thanks for coming, boy. Am I the only ones? Can you hear me? You guys keep giving me thumbs up.
Okay, cool. Yeah. Let's see what else can we talk about. And the the way
that you'll probably make it the most is find something you already like.
It doesn't even matter what it is. Blue cars, paintings, whatever you like.
Just keep with it because the reason that this was so successful is because I love law already,
and so when that happened here, I was already watching it before I even applied for Build Club. Yep.
Gosh, I could just keep talking. Let's see. Um, spy, can you hear? Can you hear us?
I think I think he can't hear. Does anybody else want to talk? I guess since nobody else is talking,
I'll just I'll put I'll put my hand up. Hang on. Spy, can you hear me? Testing. Hello. Bye. No,
I can. I can hear everybody. So yeah, I'll just. I can't hear us. I'll just.
I'll quickly message her. Hang on. Let her just drop off. I don't know what that means
when the hands up. You can speak, Omega. Just kidding. Hey, spy. She's doing such a great job,
though. Yeah, I rarely have to ever. I think it's the first time I've had to take notes. All right,
well I'm going to keep talking. I hope that's okay. So one of the other ones was a gentleman
that liked airplanes, and I didn't know this, but when you sell a plane,
they also have to have a log, and there is no such maintenance log or sales log. That's what it is.
So while he was creating the air log, he discovered through his research that they needed
a pilot log, and so he ended up creating both. Let's see. Explore different builds.
I built on 1 a.m. I just listened to what they said, and I was able to build that jury DAP
that I'm going to be able to attach to my my auto discovery DAP. And let's see. That's about it.
Any more? Any questions? I feel like I took over your space. Spike, can you hear us?
I think we we just um drop it down and let it and send an invite again. Yeah.
Are you able to do that for me? Yes, I will do that quickly. We got 20 minutes left,
and I don't really know any good jokes. So let's see. Okay, cool. Oh, we love you, Spy.
Thank you so much for jumping up and talking, even though you couldn't hear us. But yeah,
if if you want to jump back up, just just come back up. Yeah, we'll see if we can. Hang on,
I'll see if I can bring her back up. What I wanted to add to what she said is,
depending on your level of expertise and so on, I would suggest starting with the Midnight Academy
to get the understanding as to how Midnight works, how it compares to Cordano, what it brings,
and all of that stuff. There's, I think, I believe there's four levels,
and the fourth one is where it actually guides you into doing your first test depth as well.
That you can do, and then obviously you can evolve from there. And like you said,
you they have the bold club and the elite club as well. And guys, don't be shy. I mean,
the only answer can be no, but if you have an idea, holy cow, go with it. Can you hear us now, Spy?
Oh yes. Yeah, I think there was yeah, something something happened there. Can you hear me, Spy?
Oh yes, sir. My cheeks. Just kidding. You just yeah. You just steamrolled us.
We tried we tried to add comments but um we weren't allowed so. Oh no. Everything you said was valid
so it's all good. Well um I'm not a good speaker but I'm a good listener.
One thing that I would the last thing that you mentioned about the builder um that was in the club
about the airplanes that was one thing that was brought up um by Tom when I did my initial call
with him. Because the idea that I submitted has a similar concept to what he wanted to do,
but he was obviously focused on the aviation side, whereas mine was vehicle manufacturing, sales
and stuff like that. Oh, the two can complement one another because it's the the once the backbone
is there or the the concept has been proven, it's a matter of just adapting it
for whichever industry essentially. So yeah, I was very curious to to. Learn about that as well.
And you know what? I'm I'm glad you said that, Jinx, because that's after we get law kind of squared
away. That's the next thing because when people have any issues or disputes
and want to settle for for any of those what that we mentioned, it always ends up in law, right?
Everybody always goes and says they're wrong. See, look, these is my proof. So we so yes,
I agree with that. I think that yours that sounds like there's going to be a log suite, you know,
like of all logs, like a suite. Yeah, mine. Mine is I don't know if you've seen it.
It's called windshield. Ah, shield wind. Sorry, I'm twisted it. Yeah. Yeah. So,
but during during this build club cohort, I'm gonna try and break it down into smaller pieces
because the way this idea is is literally it's too big. So I need to. That's my goal:
is to break it down and see if I can focus it on into a specific phase,
and not start off with manufacturers level. Maybe start off with with second hand dealers
and stuff like that. But obviously, there there will be some gaps then in in the in the concept.
So I need to work that out. That is so fun. That's so neat. So you're theoretical also
because you don't just do a problem and have a solution. You really think about all the components.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not the smartest guy in the room. But the way that I set up my Claude,
for instance, it has like libraries on libraries with midnight skills and documentation
and stuff like that that I upkeep and certain criterias that I that I gave it to follow.
Even like the documents that it produces for me for midnight-related items, I used ISO standards,
so he like very specific like my revisions that it keeps up and stuff like that.
So anybody can build anything if you if you just spend the time to set up the tools,
and then as you're doing something, you're learning as you're going along.
And if you don't understand something, you stop, you delve into that section before you continue.
Otherwise, the rabbit hole is going to go too deep too quickly. That's absolutely true.
I was trying to get a hold of—is it Niku and Tusha? Tusha, yes. That are that are building
Midnight skills to jump on, because that sounds like what they're building is yeah.
It's another reason why why Midnight exists. I include their their skill sets into Claude
and the new Midnight expert as well. The Midnight expert one is is quite cool
because it like goes systematically also through your stuff. That is so good.
I didn't think about that. I do try to pull in though the midnight dot network into my AI,
and I'll do that too. I'll say please update anything from this, and then I ask it to to go on.
So yeah, that is true. Do you use Claude or what what platform do you use? I use Claude,
and if I really want to get into it, I'll go to Windsurf because it has everything,
like all the AIs, and do it there. Do you do you use Claude standalone or because I use it through
Visual Studios? So I'm like you. If I need to do setup, excuse me. I'm Word. I'm just like you.
I don't have a Mac. We have the same setup. Yeah, yeah. Because obviously, with with code within VS,
it's like amazing. Even if you if you have troubles, just let it go through your thing
and do what it needs to do. I love it. Hey,
the tools are out there. I usually sometimes if I'm in GitHub, I'll use the GitHub one.
Excellent. So tonight's, I thought that you know why midnight exists is a pretty good,
it's a pretty good title because a lot of people don't really understand what midnight is. Hey,
like they know, oh yeah, it's this bloody token that's got you know dust
and you know it does this special disclosure thing. You know they don't really know,
but I think the first thing that we should really talk about is you know the the basic problem that
crypto started with, which was The transparency problem, right? So we know that most blockchains,
right? They're they're all transparent. Hey, so big, uh, Bitcoin, Ethereum, you know,
most layer ones, they're all they're all transparent. So what that means is everything can be seen.
And for someone that doesn't understand what what that is, right? Basically,
a a blockchain that's like, let's for an example, Bitcoin, right? We're going to talk about that
because it's the easiest way to to explain it. Okay, so it is a. I'm not going to go into
technicals, but I will just explain a little bit. So with Bitcoin, it's basically a ledger, right?
And so every transaction on there is able to be seen because it's it it every transaction
on the blockchain gets stored on the on the ledger, right? And and which is is on
every single miner's computer. So That that transparency is good for verifying
and and being being transparent, right? And understanding that that you can transfer directly
from someone to another person and know exactly where it's going, what it's the price of it,
and it exactly moving across without you know any middleman at all, without any bank
or anyone like that. So that that is one of you know that's one of the greatest things
that's ever happened, right? Cutting out the middleman, but the problem now exists
that when we transfer, everyone can backtrack and see exactly what you have in your wallet,
and that's that's like for someone that doesn't understand anything about about blockchain, right?
That that is it
in a nutshell. So that is that is what the problem is. What what do you think, Jenks?
Hello, Jinx. Sorry, man. Sorry, I was on the squad quickly. Yes, no, I agree with you.
And and the thing is, I think when when blockchain and everything got pushed to the mainstream media
and so on, everybody was let's call it wooed about it being transparent. You can see everything.
It was obviously something new. And now that it's been a few years, now people start realizing
the limitations and the concerns that comes with that transparency as well. And I think that is why,
in besides the last few days where the market has been a bloodbath, but you could see
the the increase in like Monero, Zcash, stuff like that, all the privacy type
of projects have been growing over the last few years. And I think that that's a mental shift
that has happened in quite a few people's minds. Yeah, so basically, transparency pretty much solved
one problem, right? But but I'm probably but unfortunately, it um it create it accidentally created
another problem, which was everything's too bloody transparent now. So we have this massive store
of value that we can hold, right? But but everyone can see it. So that's that's one big problem,
especially for businesses, because if you want to adopt institutional adoption
within the crypto space, right? You can't do it when it's transparent because you're
you're acting as a business, and when when you've got all these transactions and stuff, right?
Say you've got another company, an opposition looking into your business, they can undercut you.
They can do all these little things, and there's just there's so many things that that can happen,
that can go wrong. That and there's another one as well, like if you have employees, right?
And say one person's been working for five years, right, at one One level,
but obviously maybe their performances aren't as good as as someone else that's come in
with a lot more experience, right? And they're a little bit more overpaid than that person.
If they can transparently see what they're getting paid, you may have a conflict of interest, right?
So. It's it's it's a bit. Yeah. There's also another another example for you.
If you take like um local governments and so on, if they do like tenders,
put out public tenders um for whatever work, construction work, repairs, IT work,
it can be anything. Um, and they have to review tenders and so on. Obviously,
those those tenders are public documents, so anybody can go and look at it, and that is.
That can happen where a competitor sees, okay, these guys charge X amount for this type of work.
We're gonna charge five percent less, and then obviously the the government guys will go with
the cheaper one as per usual, even though the more expensive one would have been the better option.
Yes, and if you have that that privacy side to it, it's Then, then the government
or whoever is looking for the tenders, they need to review each and every one on the actual merits
and not just the financial savings that they could possibly have. And that's the next step, right?
So we know that business are definitely one hundred percent not going to put their payroll,
their supplier relationships, you know, and customer activity on the public blockchain
because that stuff is very, very important to the business, right? So yeah,
that's that's the problem. So, I'd like to just see if anyone that's listening,
if if if there's any Midnight Nightforce members that would like to come up and have a chat
and talk, I just thought I might just see if anyone wants to just raise your hand. Sorry, guys,
it's it's been a long day at work, and I'm just yeah a bit fried from the sun, so bear with me.
I may. I may, yeah. I was lagging this this morning when I had to wake up for for the workshop
with Charles. That that time slot is killing me, man. Oh, I'll tell you what happened.
So this morning, I um I woke up at five, a quarter past five in the morning,
and so I was getting up, getting ready. Five thirty, chucked the um space on the Discord on. Um,
you know, I was ready for work by six o'clock. I had my one of my headphones in.
And I was in the office, listening to a morning meeting. While I was listening to Charles,
so I was listening to Charles, trying to listen to safety stuff, you know.
And then I was sort of sat down, and I was like listening to—I think I was listening to his.
I—I'm not going to disclose what what was happening on there, but it was something really funny.
And all of a sudden, someone asked me a question in the meeting, and I just ignored the whole
the whole bloody meeting, just listening to Charles. So, yeah, it is a it is a real early morning
for me. Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's well worth it. If if anybody down there is not on
like a Bravo level, it's well worth doing doing some of the work to get to Bravo level
to to attend some of the workshops. And if there's any recruits that have joined in
and are listening, feel free to you know reach out to us. Say hey, you know my my post
on X is not getting enough reach because we'll all join in and comment and like and share.
I'm happy to do that. So just make sure that you just yeah reach out to us. Don't be afraid.
We're all here to help. We're all a friend. We're all a community. We're all friends.
I see Pete's in the house. I did send him a. He might be doing something tonight.
He might just want to listen. I wanted to add something. So two things I think about.
Can you guys hear me? Yep, we can. Is that's what I think about. Like when you go get your coffee
or whatever it is you drink, Red Bull or something. You never say to the merchant,
"Can I see the contract you have with Red Bull?". Can I see how much you're paying and I'm paying?
Can you see the? Can we see the difference? So no, we don't ask that. And the other thing is,
there's sections of those gift cards like Roblox, Chili's. That's what crypto is.
It's the same thing. If somebody gives me a hundred dollars worth of Starbucks,
I can't go cash that my Starbucks card in for a hundred bucks. It's a hundred dollars of Starbucks.
That's it. Hundred percent. However, it's not. It's not electrically signed as a
as a smart contract. No, but in its very basic form, the the gift card knows to deduct
a certain amount, but the algorithm or whatever you want to say. Just that's pretty cool. Space,
you get a lot of people in here. Yeah. Well, I was thinking as well. Like today, when I was walking,
I was I was doing a bit of a walk at work, and I was thinking, you know.
What what could we use midnight for? Like, why would it be like? Why does it exist,
and why you know what could we really use it for? And apart from all the other good things
that have popped up, and I was just thinking, you know, you could potentially use it for Uber,
Uber Eats, all that sort of stuff, and and you could create a business where it runs on the
on the blockchain, right? Where drivers get a hundred percent of the of the the rides
or a hundred percent of whatever they're delivering, right? And obviously within the app,
just maybe a small, you know, monthly fee for using the app to keep the app running. You know,
like small things like that. It's it's very simple, and it's definitely doable.
And especially the way Charles talks about this passport being able to log in automatically,
creating a a wallet for you. You don't even have to see anything, right?
This is the stuff that we're building. And obviously, if you if you if you look at like Nightstream
that that's been work working on and on device proofing, once once that stuff is also flushed out
and sorted sorted out and working and so on, that opens up a whole new section as well
because Obviously, your your device that you have in your hand already has a lot
of good encryption capabilities and stuff like that. So if if it can be taken to the next level,
that will be very cool for me. What I would like to see at some point is something
that is focusing around the specifically the protection of of kids' identities and stuff online.
I'm not sure how that could be done, but I think that would be A massive win for humanity. Oh,
you know what? Here in the United States, when you take your child to school for the first time,
you have to register their entire name. You have to have their social security number. I'm not sure
why, but yeah, there's a lot of information that they should not have. The school. Yeah, 100.
And it it all comes down to the selective disclosure, right? Choosing what you want to to reveal,
and to whom. And it's just it's it's in the it's in the papers it's in the night paper.
How like if you guys haven't read the the midnight night paper or any of the documentation, um,
by all means chuck it into AI and summarize it if you if you can't read that much,
but it's it's really good and there's a lot of good information. I just thought
I might quickly throw a little little thing in here. Did you guys know that
Cardano Cardano Foundation actually collaborated to explore blockchain integration with NASA? Oh,
that's really wow! Did you guys know that? I didn't. So they had. No, I also didn't know that.
So they had a partnership, um, and they featured like I think it was like six or several things. Um,
so they were running, um, they were running like code and smart contracts. Um, and they were, um,
they were doing supply chain tracking. Um, and what else are they doing? Uh, data data integrity.
And they were doing engineering workshops on the with Cardano Foundation.
So I have to I have to look it up because I can't remember all the words.
But so with the supply chain tracking, the so Cardano and NASA they they developed a proof
of concept for tracking physical space components like alloys and equipment and stuff.
And like testing, and I'm guessing, I'm assuming, like, um, like documentation for like testing,
like when they test equipment, they, you know, they pressure them up, or they,
they give them extreme tension or compression or something like that. So all that data gets put
into, you know, um, a smart contract and securely sent to wherever it needs to go. How cool is that?
Tom, are they still working on it or, um? Do you know the status
of of that partnership? I don't. I've got Tom here. I think he wants to have a chat. Tom,
hey mate, you there? We can't hear. If I remember correctly, that was a couple of years ago. Yeah,
I think so. Yeah, it was. It was a couple of years ago. I remember. I'm pretty sure it was Cardano
with Paul. I think he brought out a video. It was a while ago. I can't remember,
but it's on YouTube. I have to resurface that, but yeah, I just thought I'd bring that up
because a lot of people don't really realize that. Hey, like, especially with what's happening
and the bloody the nukes going off in the markets. Good to hear some of the highlights that you know
Cardano's done because Cardano is our is our security guard for midnight. He's he's the big one,
so it's good to hear some good stuff about what Cardano's done. And there's a lot of things and.
If you want to, if you want to find out more about Cardano, I 100% would go onto Pete's YouTube
and have a look. He's got absolutely hundreds and hundreds of videos, all about from setting up
nodes to you know running stake pools, daily updates. It's great. Pumping up your tires here, Pete.
Why you're not Why you're not up here speaking? So appreciate me. Tom, can we hear you?
Can you hear me now? I can hear you. Ah, perfect. Sorry about that. Hey,
I do have a question about something. Spy brought this up just a minute ago,
and I thought it was always ironic. I was in the medical field after the service.
Spy brought up that when you register your kids in school, you have to show all kinds of proof
of things, right? One of the things that you have to show proof of is shot records,
which is like an oxymoron, right? Because under HIPAA, you're supposed to be
able to not have to disclose your medical history. And what a great thing
Midnight would actually solve there, if that was an issue. Evidently, it's not really one.
That you could prove that you got your shots, but you don't have to tell them which shots you got,
right? Just a thought. And actually, I'd like to know what Spy thought,
or her legal opinion on on that, and how we get away with that here. Oh, for HIPAA and that,
you know, I don't even know how how I didn't raise a stink when my son, who's now in his thirties,
had you know went to school and they asked for all that information. I just freely gave it, right?
I mean, it's the school. What? How bad could it be? And now that I'm in this, what I'm doing now,
it's it's it's weird how much information we used to give people. But yeah, I'm with you on that,
Tom. We should have own our own information, and then if the school
or anybody else wants to know it, we can verify it ourselves because we have it in our storage.
Yeah, it's going to be pretty incredible what's happening, guys. Yeah, I agree. I agree.
Did I answer your question, Tom? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Well, you can verify it,
but would you want to verify it? Like, let's say you didn't want to vaccinate your kids.
How do you do that? I can live in the bush. Oh no, no. I mean, with the verification system,
is there a way to? You would have to prove that you've already taken care of it. That that whatever,
like number five on the list or wherever that appears to have your kids vaccinated. Vaccinated,
you just. Prove that it's taken care of, not that they've gotten vaccinated.
There's a lot of way you can play with words. Oh yes, yes. So the doctor just saying
it's been taken care of, i.e., we've met, the child has seen the doctor. I like it. We in Australia,
we have, we actually have special shots for like the indigenous people that live here as well.
Do you guys have that sort of stuff over in America? So there's lots of different shots. So.
It's probably important to, you know, have all the information for the right things, right?
Because some, I think, some different ethnicity can't can't pronounce it, have different, you know,
genetic things. So it's really good that you know we've got all them shots and stuff these days,
and we can, you know, survive the apocalypses. Well, the indigenous people here in the United States
have reservation reservations. Yeah, reservations. So on the reservation, they have, I'm sure,
different policies, but they're they're under the federal jurisdiction. Okay, cool. Tom,
were you going to speak? Sorry. No, no, sir. That's all I was going to ask about.
It's been answered. Thank you. That's all right. So, back to why midnight exists.
I reckon the biggest, the biggest thing that Midnight brings out is the metadata, right? You know,
that's that's Midnight's strongest narrative. So when I say metadata,
and if anyone doesn't understand what that means, it's basically you know who sends it,
who receives it, when it was sent, how often, all that sort of stuff. So you, you know,
you may you may not know the contents of the message that gets sent to you.
But you know that it's been sent. That's the that's the metadata. So I'm trying to explain things
without without being real complex and stuff and just simple Aussie terms. Try to. But basically,
you know, the transaction is often less revealed than the trail around it.
That's that's probably the best way to to say it. So would you? I'll I'll give this one to Jenks.
Would you be comfortable if every purchase you've ever made was permanently public?
Would you like that? No, because that will make me so depressed if I have to have a permanent record
of what I spend money on. So that would just make me very depressed. Never mind all the privacy side
to it. But yeah, no, no, I don't think that would be wise. I mean, that's that's.
I think there's a lot of people that that that will look at the histories in if that existed like
that, and just think, oh man, so much money wasted. Yeah, hundred percent. It's like, why did Jack?
Oh, why did Omega bloody? Oh, sorry, my my real name's Jack, but why why did why did Omega send
bloody half a Bitcoin to Jenks? You know, or why did bloody Omega send money to Tom? You know,
like you don't. No one needs to know that stuff. All I need to know is it's been sent to
a shielded address. That's all I need to know. Yeah, and think of think of it this way. Also,
every time you do a purchase or something, or you paid for studies, then they always require you
to send proof of payment as well on your banking letters and stuff like that. Or the fact, if you
if you just sit and think, how many times have you sent like those three months
bank statements to prove to to prove your funds and your income and and stuff like that?
That's actually quite crazy. I don't even think I know how many times I've done that in my lifetime.
Well, that's funny that you said that because I actually, well, my rent increased about a month ago,
and I had to top up my bond. So now the rental, the rent,
the real estate agents—they don't actually do that for you. You have to do it yourself.
So basically, they parming off all their work to you. So when you do that,
you have to go through this thing. It's called the RTA. Rental tenancy agency,
I think it stands for, and so when you go there, you have to first of all do
a digital identity check. So you have to verify your digital identity through a government app.
So you have to add your you have to add your your license on there, and then once you do that,
you have to go and put in all your bank details and everything, and you have to pay your bond. Now,
once you pay it, your real estate agent doesn't know anything about this until you send an email
with a link copy of that being sent. So there's hundreds of metadata leaks there,
like straight off the bat. Why can't it be easier? Why can't it be? Why can't it be a, you know,
a passport where you can just tap it, or you know, you could just log into it on a on a DAP
and and just pay for it. And they know who you are. They know where you live,
but they don't have to see it. They know how old you are. They they know exactly who you are,
and you can verify that by disclosing it. And that is that is midnight.
So I just thought I'd bring that up because I thought that was, yeah, it's very invasive to me.
And just just think about it this this way also. If we're talking about the midnight passports
and so on, but if you if you try to reimagine the actual your physical passport,
a document like that that expires every five ten years depending on where how old you are.
If if if all of the countries were on a system where you you have your identity online,
like on midnight and stuff like that. You don't need to have those passports to to travel,
and there's obviously a lot of passport fraud and stuff like that that can be wiped out as well
in doing that. Hundred percent. So we're coming up to an hour. Is there any midnight
Nightforce members that want to jump up and have a chat and have a talk? Ah, Tom.
Going to be really brief about this, guys. I just want to let everybody know, please,
if you're a Night Force member, be sure to hit that meeting this morning.
We got some some surprises coming up, some information. So we'd love to see you there.
On top of that, I think I need to bounce. Me and Dips need to actually work on making sure
the recruits get a meeting. Yeah, they're not. There's not one listed yet. Yeah, I heard about that.
Oh, I hope you can get that sorted, mate. Anyway, hey, it was good seeing everybody.
Much love to all you guys. Lowe's, I really nice to see you. Oh, yeah, Lowe's is back. Hey,
see you later, Tom. And Dips. Bye bye. Oh, I wish Dips would come out, but he's yeah, Dips. Tom,
just a quick question. The the meeting that you referred to is the the one because we have two.
We have the Friday Vibes one, and then the Come Hang Out with Night Force.
Which one is the one that you? No, no, he's talking about. So usually there is a recruit call before
the the Night Force call, and the reason. Okay, yeah, that that that's the Q and A one. Yeah,
because the two different voice spaces, I guess they're called, they're locked to different roles.
Exactly. Yeah, the stage doesn't allow the recruits to come in the the night force stage, I believe.
I just think it's a a like maybe a a missed uh an overthought. I I know Eva's taken over the spaces
instead of Sabrina, and I think that just got overlooked. Yeah, that's okay. We can sort it.
We're a team, mate. Yes, sir. One team, one dream, right? We'll see you there. All right, buddies.
Take it. Take it easy, mate. I was hoping to get to talk to my buddy Pete,
but looks like he might be doing the the rounds in the house. Um, I've seen has has
anyone did anyone see did anyone watch um Pete's recent video? Coco. Gosh, no. Uh,
I'd like to definitely. By the way. Yeah, you. Uh huh. Sorry, which video? I missed that now. Uh,
it's it's called No Control. So, yeah, there's a lot of. No, I don't think I've seen it. Yeah,
you'll have to watch it, guys. Everyone here have a watch. It's yeah, it's a good,
it's a good video. Um, so we'll just we'll just wrap this up. Um, we've been talking all
about midnight, why, why you know, why it exists and and all that. Um, but why, why,
why do businesses need midnight? That's the last, the last question. What do you think, Spy?
Oh yeah, that's really good. Well, because well, mostly because whatever business you're in,
you're gonna you're gonna have what some trade secrets and some other things related to
your business. Logistics. Sometimes people don't like that out. So yeah,
I I think that is a. I think that yes, that's what I think about it. Is that the right answer? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing you know supply chains, healthcare, and and legal stuff.
You know that's that's important. Important things that you know need to be
able to selectively disclose information and and financial stuff. So yeah,
it's definitely it's definitely tailored for businesses and just the the way that it's built is is
absolutely amazing. And I can't thank all the builders, including Charles,
for you know really thinking, getting down to the to the whiteboard and thinking about it. You know.
And actually doing everything right from day one. So yeah, I just thought I'd thank thank everyone
for just just imagine we can get Amazon to adopt Midnight for reviews and stuff like that.
How many of those fake reviews and stuff will get taken down because you you can't bot it? Yeah,
see that's like that's something that I haven't even thought about. You know,
there's there's just so much shit on the internet. That we could filter out with midnight,
we honestly could. We could use the blockchain to do its thing. It's just, yeah, it's endless. So,
and and the compliance as well. You know, being fully transparent isn't is good in one sense,
but some things you need to hold back without people or without showing people. So, the compliance.
And that's why businesses need midnight. They need it. And you know, I was thinking of horse racing.
How about the equine? So I say equine, the horsey industry, racehorses and their health logs. Yeah,
hundred percent. But it could be used for anything. Like I've seen, there's people that are building
all sorts of stuff. I think one of our Nightforce members is building something called Proof
or Bluff. It's a game. You know, things like that. Just simple things. If anyone.
Hasn't been on Midnight Fun. Have Have you Jinx? Have you had a look at it? Yes,
I've played some of the games as well. So yeah, no, it's it's it's cool.
Have you played the the vault one? Yes. No, I played the the car the car one. I did the vault one.
You have to turn it down when you get an alarm because it's so loud. I was like, what is that?
I want to I want to know who the this is the good thing about Midnight. You you don't know,
but I want to know who the number one is. It's a shielded address. Oh, how funny! Usually,
mine are my name. Like for for seeker for the seeker phone, I had my name. For Eve, I have my name.
So I just use my name. Could I add one more thing? Like I I know most of you are from Cardano,
but you know I'm an XRP person. That's my home. Um, but and I'm exploring midnight.
So don't let what your home be. Go out and bring things back to your home. So I'm a Sigma,
and I bring them midnight. That's my home group is Sigmas. So yep. And so for someone
that doesn't know what Sigma is. Oh, okay. So Sigma is a coin, and we have spaces every day.
And the reason it's such a cool group is because they were an actual group, I think.
On I don't know what blockchain. I'm gonna say ETH, but I don't know what it was. Not ETH.
Solana was. And so the CTO left, and so for Sigma, we are all our own devs. So like,
I'm a dev in Sigma. But yeah, it's it's just our group. That's what it's called, Sigmas. Yep.
So we're like put the fries in the bag. We do what we want. We get to space when we want.
We talk all over people when we're in space too. It's really nice. And so, with your coin,
what else do you do? Do you guys do parties, NFTs, or parties? Yep. We have a signature event
every year at the XRP Vegas, which we did this year also. And again, we don't have like leaders,
but we do have like some that bring other people in. So our lead guy has been on TED Talk.
Let's see, he's done TED Talk and some other things. So yes, we have a party every year
that's always free. Uh huh. In Vegas, we just had it. It's I'm new. Like I'm a year into this.
I'm pretty sure I've seen some photos of you guys at a pool party. Yep, yep, yep.
And the cool thing is that, okay, I just told you I'm an XRP. That's my home.
Do you know who was one of our sponsors, the Solana Foundation? So all really. So these chains,
you can see that I have a. I'm a soul seeker. That's what I put on my. Um,
I think because I have a soul phone, I have a secret phone because I wanted to learn so much. Um,
so saying that. So don't be. Um. So the best way for us to do midnight is to take it out
of this group because we all know about it. Is to go tell someone else.
And so sometimes I'll go into different groups in XRPL that don't know about midnight,
and I'll talk to them about it. Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, this is why the reason
why I started this this space is because I don't think any Aussies know about it, and.
There probably is maybe one Aussie, maybe two, in in this space at the moment.
But I'm trying because you know it's it's such a great it's such a great community,
such a great place to learn to learn things and and meet new friends. And yeah,
since I started back last year, you know, I I've been in the Midnight Discord since January 2025,
but I hadn't talked to anyone until I became a a Midnight Night Force member. So since then, I,
you know, I've met so many people, so many people from all over the world,
and I wouldn't have been able to do that without this. You know, like I've I've always been,
you know, in Australia working, coming home, and that's it. And now I've yeah,
I've just expanded my friendship just tenfold. Is getting out of that comfort zone,
and because to to come up on on stage to speak and so on for the first time was my hands
were sweaty, man. I'm not even going to be lying. Oh, mate, I I still sometimes depending on
what type of space it is, but yeah, it's getting out there, getting to know people,
different cultures, all of that. It's it can be quite interesting as well. Yeah. Um. Welcome, Demos.
How are you, mate? Hey, what's going on, brother? Nice to. Yeah, I had to at least show up to one
of these, you know. Oh, mate, it's good to. It's good to hear you. Yeah,
I've had a few people that I've met. I've met Doctor Oz. Um, Loz has come up. There's,
there's been a few. Um, Pete's always here, obviously, because down under. But um, yeah, it's been.
I'm in New York, sir. Sir, you're in the future. You know, let me know when BTC's back above 100k,
please, since you're able to see what's ahead. Yeah, no worries. I think that's gonna be a while
still. I'll let you know when. Oh yeah, Jinx is also in the future. Yeah,
when you guys see it coming, please let me know what to do back here. Of yeah. So,
I've I've actually wanted to have you on on the space because like I don't really know anything that
about you. I don't know what you're building, what you're doing. Um, especially with midnight.
This guy's a this guy's a hustler, man. He's busy. Tell me everything, mate. I want to know. Oh,
and anyone that's from Australia, this is this is Demos. Yeah, man. Well,
I'm not gonna tell you everything, cause shit, I'm that. I don't think either of us have enough of
of a lifetime anymore. But yeah, my name is Francisco, right? My real name is Francisco,
and my background is in marketing, right, and digital design. My co-founder, her name is Christine.
She's she has an art collective in New York City for a very long time. She goes by the name of Zara,
but her account name here is Nemesis. We started up a project known as the Mallard Order.
It's an NFT project, but then. We also built out a lot of different tools and stuff. At first,
we provided a lot of IRL events when there wasn't anything. Our our whole thing was teaching Cardano
at the time that marketing mattered. This was at a time where people would fud me for like being
like, "Hey guys, like we should care about impressions," and like we should. They'd be like,
"Shut up! Like who cares about X?" I'm like, "Well, that's like the main target demographic
and audience, right?" Well, we should care about it. So we would put on like these. You know,
Cardano-wide events. We would like do these. One of our first, the way we even did
our our whole mint, bro, is like basically you would have to do these trials because our whole lore
is about essentially like you know we learned the taboo knowledge by being here in this industry,
and we're running away from basically the tyrannical forces that be in the Web2 world. Well,
how would one turn that into fantasy? Well, I know we'll make it that these guys are a secret cult.
They used to be like these Templar ducks who found ancient relics that taught them magical secrets
and knowledge that they can no longer unknow. And the and the evil tyrannical king of the pond
tried to you know have them all strung up by the neck for blasphemy, right?
So they ran away into the dark swamp, and that's where the Mallard Order started.
So we just like the you know the Illuminati did. Yeah, with their you know initiations, we did that.
We held like three months worth of initiations where we had all of Cardano like talking about us.
No one knew who we were on purpose, so we would send them all like these invitation letters
into their wallets and just getting them to engage and have fun. And then there was these trials
where we had them like doing riddles and going outside and putting like they
they would have to show us their um their uh they would have to put out a sacrifice for us,
and it was uh a effigy of a duck. But in reality, you know what it was? Yeah, yeah.
But you know what it was? Like we worded it all like dark and occult. Like yeah,
you would have to like sacrifice this effigy. But in reality, it was like, hey guys,
go outside with your families and be super cute and make origami ducks. So we put out a video on
how to make. They were like effigies. Like what do you mean by that? That sounds crazy.
And they were like, now bro, we want you to make origami ducks and go out to the park
with your family and take pictures. So, you know, that's just a little bit about
how I got uh started here in this ecosystem. But before then, I was a an avid trader,
an avid like NFT collector. Huh? Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear. Yeah, yeah.
So let me just take a couple steps back. So before the Mallard order even started,
I was just a Cardano community member. You know, for I don't know, two and a half years prior.
And I come from the days of like having to sit in the middle of the Discord,
and the fucking somebody would put a send to address in the announcement,
and you would have to send to their address for whatever their mint was,
and then you would have to wait like 24 to 48 hours and hope that this person actually sends you
what they said that you were paying for that day. So yeah, like before smart contracts, yeah, yeah,
and it's what really made me realize that this space is very different. Because before Cardano,
I was involved in Ethereum, not not making projects or anything, but like just being a trader.
I was involved in Ethereum, the Wax ecosystem as well, and BNB. But then when I found Ada,
I felt like this community actually made sense to me. It has a very similar zeitgeist
to the community from Bitcoin. It has that same ethos about decentralization,
and then the people would actually be approachable. Like I could DM the biggest influencer here,
or I can DM like the biggest nerd, and they'd always answer my questions. On Eve,
people would fucking laugh at you if you showed any level of noob. You'd if you were in the middle
of a Discord in like 2020, bro, and you were like, "Oh man, I just lost six hundred dollars on gas.
" Everyone would just fucking laugh at you, like, "Ah, you fucking poor." But on Cardano,
folks would be like, "Oh, it's because you did this wrong, and you're supposed to let data list
run for this long before it sinks to the note." Like they would be so helpful.
So I fell in love with that. I was like, "Wow, this this isn't degenerate.
This is like these people are actually reading the white papers and they actually give a fuck
about what's being built." This is my vibe. So yeah, that's I stuck around ever since, bro. And um.
You know, I'm a big follower of Charles. I like a lot of his mindset, and he's been talking about,
you know, the how privacy would like, you know, that this part of this industry
would completely change, and we see it with Zcash, Monero, fucking Near.
Everybody's now talking about what people were laughing at Charles for talking about like two years.
He's always like five years too early for people, because the dude seeing shit on like
a massive nerd, fucking genius macro level, and actually being able to like.
Acknowledge pattern recognition, and then assume what's going to happen next.
Like predict what's going to happen next. But sorry, I'll stop ranting. No, no, that's fine. Um,
yeah, he's battle hardened for sure, bro. He's one of the old man. Look, you can hate him
or love him, but out of the old, he's one of the last Mohicans from the cyberpunk.
Days the Bitcoin forum days the original the nerds that didn't know they would get rich from this
they did it out of passion and out of necessity to like scratch that curious itch in their mind now
when the mfer comes out with a chain I'm like oh of course you know what could happen
I can't trust you I don't know if you're really with the real ethos of what this means you see
the monetary value you already have a benchmark of what could be made here so I don't know
if I could trust you this is why these people to me matter a lot they come from the days
where they didn't they were literally the ones kicking the door open for
how the whole industry would evolve. Next, you know, and people don't like to give this dude credit,
but he was one of those guys. So I'm definitely going wherever Charles goes. So once he put out,
you know, the documentation on what Midnight Network even was or was proposed to be, I was like,
oh hell yes, sign me up! Sounds amazing, and I'm blown away like the way this team
's been put together, the UI UX on everything, the marketing, the like audience capture.
It just started right out of the gate. It was not a slow roll. It was just
like everything is already in place to go. All the working parts, all the proper team members,
like everybody he hired for. The midnight team that ended up, you know, getting us all volunteering
and helping them out—they're like superstars in their own right. Like, man,
even Jack—he be chilling with his little hat kicking back. But if you go look at that guy,
his actual repertoire, his background—like, he's just a monster, bro. Like, all of them,
all of their accolades are like shining bright. So it's it's beautiful to be able to work with
this kind of team, you know. Did you ever think to yourself that you would be a a leader? I mean,
when it comes to X and content creation and audience capture, I've shown time
and time again that I'm capable of doing it. Even with just from trolling or educational content,
I've put in thousands of hours on spaces when no one was doing IRL events and activations.
I was one of the only people, not only doing it, but preaching to like everybody else
to get out there and go on the streets and like start doing their own meetups
and their own workshops. Yeah, man, I've been I've been here as an avid you know supporter
since day one. But when it comes to impressions, brother, I have millions of impressions,
and I don't even need to try. And how I want that to, and I don't give a. And it's not to like be
like, oh, I have an ego about it. No, I just think I know something, and I want to help everyone
else. And I want to help out everyone else that's involved in Midnight be able to do the same,
be able to get their word out, even if it's through my platform. If I have to be the one
reposting it, then let's do that. But I want everyone to get the shine that they deserve
because our goal is to get the you know as many mentions and as much audience capture
as humanly possible. We want that mind share, you know. And what's your what's your website?
What's for like my act my NFT project, the Mallard Order? Um, because we also made
a social media engagement like rewards platform. Is that about the Raiders? Yeah. Yeah, that's
Raiders Guild, like raiding Raiders Guild. Dot io. Yeah, that platform is about incentivizing people
to do exactly what I just talked about. You know, helping you magnify your voice,
but you you can lay out incentives. So essentially, you can come in, make
your own marketing campaign, and use different multi-chain. Integrations to be able to do
the the rewards. So I can come in. Let's say I have 500 night. I can create a campaign
where about 80% of 500 night is then going to go out to rewards for all of the people
that participate with whatever the task at hand is. It's almost like how Zeeley does it,
but Zeeley as and I love it. It's a great platform. Don't get me wrong.
They don't have the type of UI UX that we do. You never leave our platform. You can comment.
You can reply. You can get on. You can do a. Upvote on Reddit, follow somebody's Reddit account,
go sign up to their YouTube channel, go in the comments, get points for all of that. Do it on X,
get points for all of that, and literally have never left the platform while doing it.
You don't need to like hyperlink out. You don't have like another tab that opens up. None of that.
So yeah, that we built that out of for a couple of years now, and have been doing
different iterations of it. But you know, it is what it is. I got a good question for you,
since you know you've built an NFT, like you've built this amazing NFT collection and all this.
Say an Aussie, he's building on Midnight, and he wants to build
his his very first Midnight collection. How would you how would you go about that?
How would you market it? How would you start off? How would you do that? Well,
that's a very that that question is a long tail. It comes with a long tail of answer, right?
With multi layers, because it's like Mark, you got so many different layers of it.
But what I would start is, well, first of all, you got to get the art, duh,
and then you gotta um think about the template that you're gonna use for this. Like,
how are you gonna make the metadata? Where is it gonna be sold? So, Nmaker already has a repo up.
Where you can pretty much start to get an understanding of how to make an NFT,
like a non-fungible token, on the Midnight Network, but then you're still going to run into a bit
of a wall where you're going to realize, well, there isn't a lot of integrations when it
when it comes to a user interface for people to be able to explore their NFTs. So then you would
either a have to be the one to create that at least a a bespoke solution for your own community
or an explorer for all of the communities to be able to see it, kind of like a pool. PM.
And then the next issue is, well, when users then have it. Where can they trade it with each other?
Where can they sell them to each other? Where can they send each other offers for one? Even
if it has nothing to do with money, maybe they just want to send them to one another,
but have like a user interface so they can see the trades. So right now,
there are a few individuals working behind the scenes on this. I'm on this solution,
and I'm constantly in conversations with them. Every few months, I check up on them
because I want to do something on midnight with the mallards as well. So it's very important for me.
But yeah, Patrick from EndMaker, and I think he's like one of the ones that's the furthest ahead
at the moment. I'm making that solved. I'm making that problem solved. Yeah. Yeah. Sick. So yeah,
that's cool. So yeah, if you if you ever find any more information about the NFT minting
and stuff like that, oh, you're always welcome to come. Yeah,
because you could technically already mint them. That's yeah, you know, that's no issue.
But like I said, the the the main problem comes in if you're mentioning the word collection,
that means you want a lot of different individuals to be the holders. Well,
then you'd run into end user kind of friction points, right? Where they can't see it,
they want another trade, they don't know how to send it to each other, etc. Yeah, yeah.
But that's being worked out, and I feel like, bro, it's important for rollouts to be like this
when it comes to development. Everybody wants this rush product, where they want Midnight Network
to be where it's where it's gonna be in five years today, right now. But that's how you get
this issue with what happened with Zcash. We're talking about an exploit that would literally put
that whole network to freaking zero, right? Unlimited mintable tokens,
and and they can't see the supply, so it's like, oh my. Yeah, it's fully private,
so you can't see anything. Right, massive issue. But look, it was an oversight
that's been sitting there. The solution was always there, and someone,
the auditor who used Opus 4.8, figured it out. That goes to show, bro.
It's best to have this slow build-up, troubleshooting, all this open airspace where.
Devs can speak to one another. They hold, you know, fireside chats. They have people come in
from different networks to come be builders here with the Builders Club.
That's how you find those issues, and that's how you also come up with very innovative new solutions
you never even thought about originally. So, yeah, I love this kind of, you know, slowly
but surely building every single day, and then this open comms about it. So, like,
you can never wonder is is the midnight team actually doing anything? It's like simply just go to
the Discord or their repo; they're always active. Yeah, how good is that?
I It's um such a great place. There's so many different people. There's marketers, builders,
entrepreneurs. There's so many people just running in and um building, you know, and learning
and understanding it and promoting. So yeah, it's such a great um yeah, it's a great ecosystem.
And yeah, so yeah, you didn't expect me to rant that long. I just woke up. Sorry about that. No,
that's alright. I was just thinking um. With way up, do you reckon they would be building something
for? Ash is also on it. Ada Amble is also figuring their way around midnight right now.
There's a few teams like that are just—they're almost about on on the brink of like figuring it
fully out and just like having a ready to you know use product, but just gonna have to wait and see.
It's funny talking to people from the other side of the world because, like,
I'm wound down from work. I'm just have no energy, and you're just waking up trying to find
some energy. So it's yeah. Well, you you might have just gotten to know me now.
I am known to be on 10x at all times. My secret comes from, uh, basically I don't know,
just being young forever and uh, yerba mate, bro. This New York City will just make you like this.
It's impossible to be a slow, stagnant, calm, like like light. You know,
like have you ever heard a New Yorker like that in your life? That'd be like, hey guys,
I'm from New York. To be honest, you're the first New Yorker I've ever talked to, so that's no way.
This is the power of midnight, mate. This is it. We're just we're finding it out.
Want a pizza slice? Only, only pizza slice from fucking Domino's. Now, when you come to New York,
brother, pizza's on me. Fuck yeah, sounds good. Um, so what, what's it like over there?
What's What are you? I mean, when you wake up, I could tell you,
I could tell you the the whimsy new person view. Oh man, this place is great.
It's a you know a melting pot of many different people. I'll tell you the tired, jaded.
I grew up here. View. It is a hellscape made for nothing but advertisements,
and the rent is way too damn high now. And anything that was brick and mortar and mom
and pop died sometime along COVID. And those were the things that made this city truly special.
Outside of his landmarks that are still amazing, and you should come here to see them, like
the Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building, Chrysler, and many others. The the heart of the city,
those brick and mortar shops, those stores, those little tiny boutiques that made up
our neighborhood be special. Where you know you'd see the old man coming out his making his calzones
and a pizza shop, when the wave at you. That stuff is long gone, and that's the part I miss. Yeah,
so it's all fast food, make as much money as you can. Exactly, because COVID wiped out everything
that was like it was so hard for people to survive that as a business here. Um.
So tonight we we've been talking about you know why midnight exists, and I thought I might just
while you're here, um, what what do you think is is a good you know, what what do you think, um,
why do you think midnight exists, and why why did why did Charles build midnight for someone
that doesn't understand it? Well, for me right now, I think that there's a couple of reasons.
You know, the SEC scrutiny being one of them to me is one of the reasons because it's like we have
a future where if we don't have our own self-sovereignty and self-custody,
we're gonna go to the route of CBDCs and everything being completely freezeable, controllable.
Everything is publicly like, like I said, since it's like an open public ledger,
you could freeze all these assets, and it's kind of already happening. But me personally,
I think that. Data is a big monetizable. It's basically the liquid gold of the current times.
Everyone wants it from you. Everyone takes it from you, and you're basically the product.
Whenever you're on these apps or using any of these websites, oftentimes when they're provided to
you for free, it's because you're the product, and in reality, your your data is being sold to
third parties with sometimes not even your your um yeah without you even knowing
because the yeah exactly with leaks. Exactly, and I feel like the same thing is happening here
in blockchain, where it's becoming more of a scrutinized and control, almost
like we're gonna be we're gonna be put in a fish in a barrel in a like a almost
of a shooting gallery for the for the powers that be, like bankers, to be able to like just do
as they please with our funds. And I feel like, and and I feel like when it comes to also big money
being put in here, you can't really do it. Like Disney can't really, you know, go
and make a A partnership deal that's worth hundreds of millions of dollars, or an acquisition worth
billions of dollars, and feel secure and feel like you know there's not.
It's almost it's also a safety issue, right? When it's on a public ledger and you could put
and I can see who's holding half a billion dollars. It's like to me that's such a vulnerability,
right? You're putting a target on people's backs. So, yeah, I feel like something
like Midnight really helps, kind of defeat that dystopian evil future where you have no control
over your own assets, you are fully being watched at all times, and your money can be
completely frozen, and in. In this case, this isn't this this isn't
what's going to be happening here, you know. And unlike Monero and other privacy networks,
this chain is this network, I should say, is very open to not only the business-to-business side
of things, but like the actual Open source, like community side of things,
where individuals can build here, and unlike other networks, it's it's not really the case.
Like they don't have the tooling where you know a twenty-something year old can come build
his next app here, and then this can also be used by institutional players at the very same time.
It's like either or, right? But here, it's kind of like we have an an amalgamation of both
of those things. Yeah, man, you help you help the nerves settle so much doing these spaces.
Just you know, talking and. Yeah, just bringing up good, good information. It's yeah, I'm really,
really appreciate you jumping in and talking. Yeah, especially this is literally my fifth. Yeah,
it's my fifth space ever. And we all also one thing I gotta say, bro. We all have to thank Charles
for not going with Haskell. Again, and making like ridiculously difficult programming languages that
people don't like. So yeah, Compact is fucking fire. Like this feels like it's as simple as Rust.
Like I'm, you know, my twenty-something-year-old cousin who's like into Next JS and all this stuff.
Like he, he instantly understood reading the documentation. Yeah, when it came to
trying to onboard people to Cardano building in the early days, bro, it was like just speaking
alien language. So I'm really excited about this. Yeah, hundred percent, and.
That like especially with 1 a.m. As well, being able to build build stuff on on their app
like just using AI to code, um, like yeah, that's how easy it is now these days. Yeah,
and no restrictions. Like they had their own documentation, their own understanding of it,
and allowed to go and just explore what can be done here and innovate. Like I really like that.
And the compliance is a hundred percent there straight away because you can selectively disclose
what you're doing to who who you need to, and not end up in bloody jail. I see a sense here. Yo,
good morning. Good morning. We got midnight in the morning. Midnight in the morning. I don't.
Evening, yeah. I'm seeing all the stuff about Zcash, so I don't think there's a better time
to talk about midnight. Yeah, it's ten ten p.m. Here in Australia. So yeah,
I'll just you know I started this space probably five weeks ago, and just for yeah,
and it's funny because I've got more people in the US than Australians, so. It's great.
That's about Twitter Spaces because you kind of get a mix of a little bit of everyone.
You don't know where everybody's from, but it's kind of like a melting pot in that way.
So it's really cool to get exposure to all these different cultures. But the one thing
that brings us together is is technology. Hundred percent. And yeah, that's why we're all here.
We're we're here because we have such a great great um network here, and it's it's early days,
and there's just so much building to do, so many things to do, not enough time.
I feel that completely. Are you are you building something out currently on the network? No, mate.
I'm I'm basically just a guy learning, learning all about midnight and just yeah, just talking,
just meeting new friends and talking. Well, there you go. You're building community.
You're building that. That that's building in my eyes. Like you can build both ways.
You can build by actually building applications, building code. But then there's the other side
of building, which is bringing the people together to learn more about this technology revolution
of what's actually going on and what's going to be needed for the future of blockchain.
Hundred percent. And yeah, I've learned in the last five days. I've learned so much. I've Learned
how to calm the nerves when no one's actually talking. So yeah, it's been it's been really good.
And the Discord as well. Like I can't I can't stress it enough. If if any of you guys aren't
in the Discord in the Midnight Discord, jump in. Have um call out call out all of us.
Call out Demos. Call out Pete. Send oh Doctor Oz, you're in the house, Loza. Say hey, I'm new.
I'm new to the Midnight. What what can I do? And we'll direct you. We'll talk. Have lots of banner.
I think there's some really great things happening soon for the the Discord.
There's a few little things changing, so I can't say anything. I'm I don't know. Yeah. Hey,
you were asking about Pete. I see him there now. Come on up. I think he's I think he's just tuned
out. He's he's had a busy busy month doing lots and lots of governance things.
So I'm happy for him to just listen. He can relax. You've done a great job to the Cardano community,
mate, and lots of movie videos. Sorry, on YouTube, and yeah. And we're talking years, years.
Pete has been grinding the educational side of things, bro. And like he taught me a bunch of stuff
when I first got here, bro. That guy is goaded. He, yeah, he's a lovely person, and yeah,
great to talk to. Very knowledgeable. Who is it? Do I need to follow to Pete,
the man smiling down there with the nice smile? Okay, yeah. Bro, gone is YouTube.
Just is is he's he's a content machine, bro, for years now. Um, and yeah, like,
but like the the way he like showcases information, breaks it down, the nice summaries, the TLDR,
never makes the video boring or too long either. Just like gets straight to the point.
The dude knows how to cook, bro. Yeah, and also it's just it's it's easy to listen to,
and and like you actually learn. And and there's no there's no deviation.
It's it's all to the point. And yeah, I really enjoy it. It's it's a great and he just has a great.
I enjoy I enjoy the the the YouTube thumbnails. He's starting to get creative with the expressions.
Wait, we try and talk to it. We'll we'll talk a bit. We'll pump up his tires for another ten minutes
and see if he comes up. Yeah. You know the YouTube algorithm is one of the most complex algorithms
that there are. So whenever you see a guy who knows how to stay consistent on YouTube,
you gotta give him a salute. And that's why they mess around with the thumbnails like that too.
Like the algo is so sophisticated that it actually looks for like the expressions on faces,
and it wants like happy and amazement and shock, like and awe. Like that's what it looks for. So
whenever you see your favorite influencer is like making a funny face or like looking all excited,
it's really like they're doing the right thing. That's what the algo is looking for. Yeah,
hundred percent. And I'll let some. I'll let everyone in on a little secret. Don't try and don't try
and put in URLs to different sites, like say Substack and stuff like that,
because they will demotitize the fuck out of you. I'm literally like killed from doing that,
so that's why I'm doing spaces now. It's always a new new. You gotta try again on a new account,
sir. Yeah, I'm fucked now. That's alright, Jack. Um, I need to drop off here. Um,
I need to get the kids to bed. Um. It's sleeping time for them, so. That's all right, mate.
Thank you for co-hosting. Yes, no, hundred percent. I enjoyed it. I, I have no idea how to like run
the spaces, and I'm scared that I'm going to like either fucking mute the whole space
or fucking get rid of it or something. No, no, you're doing well. You're doing well.
But thank you for thank you for having me again, and to everybody that came up to speak, thank you.
Yeah, thank you. And yeah, catch you all on Discord and on X. All right, thanks, mate. Yeah,
let's get on that call, Jinx, on the weekend, brother. I want to see that. Take care, sir.
Hundred percent. Thank you very much. Bye bye. No. So we've. Ah, it's how long? What's the?
When's the next? Um, the midnight. Um, the Nightforce meeting is it tenth? Oh.
I believe it's in one for. I believe it's in one hour for the recruits,
and then I believe it's in an hour and a half for Brava. Holy shit! I no need to take
the Lord's name in vain now over this. I mean, come on, man. It's just. Oh. I gotta get up at 5 a.m.
And do 12 hours of work. That's all right. Oh, I'm a trooper. I'll survive. Well,
let's put it like this, bro. I mean, everybody's pretty open-minded. If you just put it in the chat,
like, hey guys, I'm gonna be away for the day. I'm I'm gonna be working.
Everyone's gonna understand. I mean, for God's sakes, you just held the space for us. It's recorded.
Like, you're you're helping push the word. You're putting in work already, bro, for for the team.
Also, that's how I see it. Also, I noticed that there have been issues as far as recording.
Sometimes it's recorded. Sometimes it's not. I'm gonna record all these, Omega. So
if you do fall asleep accidentally, I'll have it for you. Okay, sweet. Yeah, that'll be great.
Because tonight is is an important night for the yeah the night night force. Yeah,
I think the night force video space on Discord. It's going to be pretty good. What's up, dips?
GM sir, how are you? Oh my god, you're here. I was always here. Actually, I'm sorry.
I would have gotten here earlier when you guys were saying hello, Spy, Dimos, the Mean King,
Jinx is also here, and Loza definitely Loza. We miss you on the server. Please come back soon.
I was always here. Actually, I was traveling. I'm extremely sorry. I was traveling,
so I was listening you here and there. I have one complaint with Spy specifically. She For two
or three times, she said XRP is a real family, but I spy Midnight is also your real family,
and he says your first family now. So you should say that Midnight is also your home
and your family. So that's the thing. Please spy. Hang on a second. I'll um,
I need to put someone as a co-host so they can bring people up if they. I'll just put demos up.
Hang on. Yeah, I'll take it. Is that okay? Because I can't. Yeah, I'm. Anything for the team, boss.
Put me in. Thanks, mate. I just put it. I just clicked it. Did that work? I don't see an invite.
So first, you gotta uninvite Jinx. So what you do is you click the little silhouette of the people
at the bottom, right? Ah. And then you can remove co-hosts and add co-hosts there.
This is the easiest place to do it from. Fuck. It's next to the heart and the microphone. I see him.
Holy, learning. Nah, it's cool, brother. I love that, man. Every day is a time to learn, bro.
The day you stop learning is pretty much when you just like you just messed up at life, bro.
Life's a lesson every day. I don't know why it's not working. Hang on. Invite co-host.
I clicked it to you. Yeah, and I don't see it. Oh, you might have like an outdated Aussie version
of X, or maybe an actually, I have the outdated version since you're a day ahead.
I'll see if I can invite dips up to see if it works. Oh, hang on. Yeah, am I? Yeah.
Did you get that? I don't know what's going on here. Hello. This is. I never got any of the invites,
sadly. Fucking madness. Requested. Hang on. Approve. Yeah, if it doesn't approve, right,
it means your phone's getting a little too. This is how many hours I put into Spaces.
It means your phone's getting a little too hot. So what you have to do is, this sounds weird,
but it works. Spam the approve button. Just keep tapping approve over and over and over, and it'll.
I'm on my, I'm on my fucking laptop though. Down. Yeah, this app with this particular function has
a lot of trouble, bro. The spaces are finicky. Everybody knows that. Oh, invite the co. Got him up.
He's up. I see his hand up. Tom is up here. Is he? Oh, there he is. Hey Tom, sorry, sorry guys,
I'm fucking, I'm having technical difficulties. I'm out of the loop. Hello. Hey, hey Tom. Hey, yeah,
I was in the Discord and I had you guys. I was listening to you guys. Just a heads up,
the next meeting is in 27 minutes. Wait, am I wrong? Hold on. It says 11 a.m. Eastern for me.
It's it's 8 a.m. Okay. All right. Is there? Oh, that's. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry. Is there any?
Um. Is there any recruits that would like to come up have a chat before I jump off?
Just put put your hand up. Ah, you know what it was, Tom. On my Google Calendar,
I was so used to the meeting, and I forgot. Now we have the the you know the the chat hangout time
during the day, and that's what I was getting confused. You're right. It's crazy. It's.
It'll be ten thirty p.m. When it starts. Here, oh, we got a request. Oh, it's dips again.
Dips is up. Please work. I love my dips. Hello, guys. I'm Audible. Dips, you're here. Yeah,
I don't know what happened previously. I don't know. Let me see. Yeah, guys,
the meeting is in like twenty, twenty-three minutes. In on the squad. Is this
for Nightforce recruits, or is it just for Nightforce? So what has happened is that earlier
when Sabrina used to take these meetings, she used to schedule two meetings for like the recruits
and for the bravos. But now Eva has been taking these meetings, and she has scheduled
only a single meeting, which includes all the question and answers. So I think
that recruits might not be able to join it. And we are we are trying to get in touch with Eva,
and hopefully we'll sort it out before these twenty-five minutes. Hopefully, sounds good. Thank God,
I'm not a recruit, and I'm not seen, and it would be cool to attend if it's for me. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. We'll we'll trying to solve this definitely. Yeah, because I I love seeing all the recruits
come in and talk. Yeah, thank God I had the space. Yeah, I'm on that. Because, dude,
I still had so on my Google Calendar, I still have it as a split. I thought
the the Hangout one was actually the Bravo one, and then the other meeting was the Q
and A. Oh no no no yeah that that might be confusing. The Hangouts one will happen on Tuesdays.
Eva takes them on every Tuesday, and the Night Force is the one that happens every Friday. Like.
Will be conducted by Eva. Yeah, I just made note of that discrepancy. Thank you so much.
Not an issue. And also, Sabrina will be taking the APAC calls, like call for the Asian Pacific
timings, because now we are growing in numbers, and there are people who have some issues
with the timings all over the world with time zones. So yeah, we will be having two meetings,
one by Eva and one by Sabrina. Yeah, I try and make it as as best as I can. It's just it's only
when because I do rostered work, so two weeks on, two weeks off. So on my two weeks off,
I can stay up all night as long as I'm not too loud, but Yeah. Yep. Yep. So. Yep. But,
but there's a lot of people that, um, like especially Pete and, uh, DVNC. Um, they, you know,
they've got families as well. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But I'm hoping that we can bring
some more Aussies. We've got 70 people in our um Telegram at the moment, and um, Baggy Pants
is in in town. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. He mentioned it. Definitely. He's excited. Oh,
unfortunately, I'm going to be. At work, so apparently I have to pay for a round of drinks
because of my absence. I don't know about that, especially with A to being sixteen cents,
but I'll pay for it. I tell you what, though, guys. On I don't no spot, no price speculation,
but especially I've seen a lot of people talking about you know they're like, oh,
Bitcoin's down two percent. You know, A is down seventeen. Midnight's down ten. Rah, rah, rah!
But I don't think they understand that, you know, Bitcoin is like a trillions
and trillions dollar market. Like it's mark, like it's huge. So yeah, and it also had
seventeen years head start. That's good to remember too. Hundred percent, and it's the liquidity,
right? Um, Cardano is we're separate. We're like an island. So the liquidity is a lot smaller.
So once a little bit of liquidity comes out, we get a ten percent drop. But then usually.
And you see it if you look in the the trading view of of midnight. I mean of Cardano.
When a little bit of liquidity comes back into it, you get these fucking mega candles.
And that's that that's how I'm going to explain it to these people that don't understand.
So that's why Cardano and and and midnight drops so fast and so big
when when when Bitcoin drops only like two percent. It's it's all liquidity. I'll just I'll just say
that because I seen a a comment in the in the midnight Discord about it,
and it's yeah it's sad that people they they put all this information out on on there
without even understanding what they're actually talking about. So I'm no perfect market, you know,
entrepreneur or anything. I I just you know I've learnt from my friends,
but I do know for for a fact that you know money flows, and when there's a larger sum money.
The the percentage
of the drop is going to be a lot lower. It's math. So I just thought I'd say that.
Is there anything else that we need to talk about tonight, Demos? Tom,
I wanted to say to remind everyone out there that Midnight has given us a very big opportunity
when it comes to being able to give you guys a budget for a meetup, a workshop, an idea to bring
the Midnight Network and educational content or tidbits or whatever you want to do related to
Midnight. You could do it. Like locally, like they're willing to sponsor you to, I don't know,
find a cool bar, cool coffee shop, cool workspace where you can get the sponsorship needed
to like set something up and bring people there and teach them about what you got going on
on midnight, and bring your local communities and onboard them. It doesn't all have to be through
the internet. And this team is open minded on that. So I highly suggest for all you folks out there
that are weekend warriors. You know, you got like a a motorcycle club or something,
or like maybe you go play. You know, like golf every weekend. Well, maybe you could make some sort
of cool, like a you know, initiative for your local communities to get them to learn about Midnight.
And I'm sure that the team would be willing to help sponsor that for you.
So don't forget that opportunity is there. Hundred percent. Well, well said, mate. And yeah,
Midnight is just yeah. There's so much cooking. Um. So I'll just wrap this up. Uh.
If anyone is keen to jump in and and and become a Midnight ambassador,
all you have to do is jump into the Midnight Discord. And just ask. We'll get.
We'll we'll send out a link. You'll get to fill out a a expression of interest form.
And the next cohort is cohort three four. We're up to four, aren't we? Demos. Next will be five.
It will be the fifth one, most likely. Fifth. Fuck it all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit!
We're getting for two. We're in quarter three now. Yeah. Right. So we'll be going for five soon.
Holy. The year's gone so quick. Yeah, folks ask. Hey, Charles, why do you look so old?
You try being here for a few years. I promise you, web three years, bro. It's like, man, I've aged
seven years in one. A set has his hand up though. What's going on, Aset? Yeah,
I just I got a quick question. So I'm kind of a new to the whole Nightforce Ambassador program.
I'm a recruit. I'm also doing Elite as well as Build Club at the same time. So
where do you think my focus should be to kind of move up the ranks? From what I know about you,
ascend, and all these months we've had time talking to each other, I gotta say you
you should focus on the builders club and the elite side of things because you're you're a builder,
bro. You like building applications, you like seeing people using things you make.
That that's where you're best suited, bro. Because you're very smart, and I know you got a lot
of good ideas to be able to like bring innovation here. Yeah, um, but if you do want to jump up,
and you know, like, you may want to actually jump into the whiteboard,
the Charles whiteboard at Bravo. So if you want to do that, I think it's
only like three hundred Zealy points. So just smash out a couple of them, sin, and you will get to.
You'll get a phone call with. Oh no, you'll get a an email sent with a NSA. I think it is.
You'll sign that, and then you'll get a phone call with Sabrina. So NDA. NDA. Yeah, that's it. NSA.
What the fuck? It's getting late, fellas and ladies. Um. So yeah, once you do that,
you all you have to do is um do a. A five-minute meeting with Sabrina,
and then just book in for your your whiteboard with Charles. I think it happens every week
or couple weeks. Then you'll be Bravo, mate, and then you're up to all of us.
So it's pretty easy. I'm on it. Yeah, just smack it out, mate. Do do it while you're on the toilet.
Tom, I got good news. Eva just wrote me, and she's aware of the problem.
She Is trying to fix it now, as far as the recruit go. And I wouldn't worry, Ascend. Yeah,
focus like the most. I don't building, brother. We see you. You're gonna get there.
We're gonna see you in Bravo in no time. All right, guys. I gotta go get ready for the meeting.
Y'all have a great one. Yeah, me too. Tommy, you're the man, bro. Thanks for the support. Yeah.
Ascend. I put your hand up. Yeah, no. It's probably X. It has. It's probably a ghost hand.
My question was definitely answered. Dip has his hand up though. Yeah. Yeah, Omega. Yeah,
I'll I'll also have to run. I'll be most likely on the stage with Tom and Eva.
We have some announcements to make. You, I've told you also, we have this discussion
about the announcements. An amazing space. I I think the space went for over two hours now,
and I have listened most probably more than or almost ninety percent of it. Amazing the people doing
amazing job. Like you, I'm on the similar lines, learning about midnight, getting to know people.
Even as a mod, even if they hate me when I time them out, or even if I'm reporting them to the team,
still I think 50% also love me. But it's all right. Tough love. That's tough love.
Like Thanos said in Endgame, we need balance in life. As all things. Absolutely right, Dip.
That is exactly how a real moderator supposed to treat us. Sometimes you gotta Thanos snap somebody
into mute, bro. Definitely. Definitely. And also some great people here, Demos, the meme king,
the meme lord, Spy, being Spy, mentioned two three times that she the XRP is her home,
XRP is her like first home. But I think she should understand that midnight is also her first home
now. XRP maybe started her, but yeah, we are also here, Spy. We all love you in the server. Yeah.
And Loza, we miss you. Please come back. We are waiting for the game nights
and we are hopefully starting more activities in the server. So yeah, definitely we need you. Yeah,
we know we know you love Aussie's Aussie's voice more than mine, so. More
that I am an Australian cricket supporter for a long time now. I I've always admired Glenn Maxwell.
You must have heard of him. I'm definitely sure of it. So Australian cricket inspires me. They are,
I mean, I don't know what, but they have that mentality of like doing anything at any given stage
under any pressure, which I think should be a lesson for everyone to never give up
and just keep going on and on. And just a quick one as well. Like this space is the community space.
It's not mine. It's it's midnight. Definitely Aussies. Any Aussie, and so I've just created.
I'm a terrible speaker, but I'm just I'm going I'm going with the flow. But basically,
it's good vibes, talk about tech, talk about new product projects, and yeah,
just having a lot of fun. That's what I'm trying to do. No man, exactly one team, one dream,
and one space. Always. Oh, and and and give give all our leaders and all our Nightforce members
a lot of love as well. Let them know that everything that they're doing is really good.
Even even the recruits, I um enjoy seeing. I've slowed down on posting on X because the recruits
have just been smashing it, and I'm just exactly yeah can't keep up with them now. Exactly.
It all contributes to the same thing. Every single impression, every any single mention,
anyone who props up a space, all the listeners, the people who comment, the people who repost,
it all comes together and it all compounds and it all makes us better and bigger and stronger.
So yeah, it's it's all help. And yo, shoutouts to Australians. It's been some of my favorite people
that I've met on in Web three. It's been my first time ever communicating with that many
in my whole lifetime. So yeah, man, Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oy, oy, oy. Oh, I love it, mate.
But we'll we'll keep all our spiders and snakes here. Oh yeah, yeah. No,
you keep the outback animals. We can't handle them. Yeah, we'll keep we'll keep you protected, mate.
It's all good. Anyways, guys, I'm gonna get off. Um, it's been excellent.
I just want to quickly say thank you, Demos. Thank you, Ascend. Um, and Pete Loza, uh, Spy.
I thank you very much for coming up and speaking about your um your project.
It's amazing what you're building. Really appreciate it,
and I really want to thank all the Nightforce recruits for jumping in, listening,
and I hope you got a little bit out of it. I know I rant a lot, but I'm trying my best
to to to get rid of all the nerves, and you know, try and give you some valuable stuff to listen to.
So hopefully, every every week should be getting a little bit better and a lot more interesting
with new new people with different builds or Different projects or something,
something little to do with midnight, and I'll try and I'll put it all together and try
and make something really good. Um, yeah, that's me. Thanks to you, sir. Thanks to you,
the first place, amazing space. Oh, and I cannot forget as well. Thank you, Jinx,
very much for co-hosting and just helping me with, um, running the the space because yeah,
I'm still all new to it all, so I really appreciate that. So yeah, thank you very much,
and everyone that promoted the space to bring awareness to any any Aussies
that haven't haven't actually seen Midnight or understand what it is. So yeah, no,
thank you very much, and I'll see you guys in the Midnight. So Discord.
See you. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. See you guys. Toodles. Bye.
