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Rebirth is the Symbol - Cardano Ministry #205 | Stake DRMZ
Recorded: June 29, 2026 Duration: 2:15:57Space Recording
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Have you ever had a dream so big that it consumes you? We gon manifest our dreams,
build this world by any means. Everything's not what it seems. When you smoke in dreams with dreams.
Hey, when you sleep, do you dream? Then remember when you wake up, see for me,
guaranteed that reality is made up, cause I dream while awake. Not when I am sleeping.
Dreams is worth a stake. If education's what you're seeking, teaching noobs about crypto, man,
I ain't gonna tiptoe around the fact that I attract other goats like diddle. Work together,
peer to peer, till riches start to appear. No, please don't interfere with the dream
I'm having here. Yeah, what up? What up? Can you hear me? Okay, Razm, mic check, mic check.
I see that you're a speaker now. It's good. Can you hear me? Okay. Hello, hello, señor.
Are you there? Yeah, just got my headphones on. I can hear you. Nice, cool, cool, cool. Just yeah,
mic check, mic check. It's been it's been a few weeks since I've done the space, so I'm like, ooh,
gotta gotta get back into the routine. I know you took a break. Yeah, you know,
and I don't think Relic's gonna be joining us, uh. So it's it's just you and me,
and and whoever else decides to jump in as listeners, and we can invite them on. Feedback.
You probably need headphones. I'm hearing I'm hearing you double. Interesting. I wonder why that is.
Right now, you're saying something twice. Really? Now I can hear me all late. Shit. What is going?
Maybe it's your mic setup. Yeah. I wonder if if it's gonna be disruptive for people.
I don't know what it sounds like. So, um, hopefully it's all right. But yeah, dude,
I definitely wanted to catch up here and, you know, get a little bit of a recap on the space.
Do a little little audio clips that we can kind of maybe put up on the socials that show people
some information about where we're at. Because man, having the wallet situation
and a lot of the things that are happening right now with voting, obviously what
we're doing locally, just as DRMZ, you know, doing our thing and Bad Money doing your thing
and our collective blocks against the humanity. I sorry, two conversations.
Blocks against the machine. Sorry, you hear two conversations. Yeah, it's you like a minute ago
and you now. I wonder. Yeah, I don't know. The audio must be somehow, somehow chopping up.
I don't know. You want to try to try to go down, yeah, and then come back up,
and maybe that'll fix it. Sometimes that fixes it. So, uh, let's see. I'll invite you back up.
Twitter, Twitter's tripping sometimes, dude. So, all right, let's see. Invite to co-host.
I just sent you the invite. So, yeah. So for those of you that are tuning back into the ministry
at a later time, thank you guys for being here and checking in with us.
We're just doing the uh the DRMZ check in, and then we'll have some TA with Razo for bad money.
And we'll be talking about some of the stuff going on in the ecosystem for a little while, and yeah,
we'll see if some of our homies drop in, some of the nor the usuals, and if not,
then we'll just have a nice conversation amongst ourselves. And we look forward to engaging with you
on socials at a different point. So, are you back? Do I sound better? I don't hear two people
speaking anymore. What about me? No, you sound great. So, yeah, I don't know.
Do sometimes we we we in the Cardano space called it the Jenny Shuffle.
Shout out to to Jenny who sort of coined the phrase or or the action itself.
So you just go down to listener and come back up, and yeah, usually that fixes some audio issues.
Damn. Yeah. Yeah, but also just real quick, I'm gonna I'm gonna post a picture at the top.
Let me see. Let me know if you can see it. It's my homage to the solstice. So of course,
this is a ministry episode, so we got to get into the the symbolic a little bit.
And so I made this image using AI, of course, to create this graphic and the writing I wrote myself.
But it just helped me kind of put it on there, and it's about rebirth and the power of the sun.
And we're we're living through the solstice currently. I got to be in Chichen Itza during this time,
like for for Ryder's wedding. So it's kind of cool, like just getting a lot of that history
and that that back knowledge. And so anyway, yeah, dude, it was fun. And so I I love.
That the ministry has always been about, like the sort of esoteric, philosophical,
critical perspectives. Like we've dived into a lot, so I want to keep that vibe.
I want to keep that sort of essence of the show, and and yeah. So shout out the solstice.
What exactly is the solstice? You mean when the sun goes? Or what is the solstice? It's
the longest day, so it's it's the reset of the calendar. It's like it's it's it's the it's
a rebirth moment in many calendars. So it's the longest day, and then symbolically,
we we then link it to like reflectiveness and honesty and. Community focus,
and so I kind of felt like this could be an episode where where we recognize the rough stretch that
Cardano has been going through with all these wallet scares and and all the treasury debates.
Like I mentioned earlier, price point, obviously you're going to do some TA, but like
where we are in the space, and we've had people either kind of like thinking about getting in,
or some people that are considering getting out, and so it's just interesting to see
the entire landscape sort of being shaped around us. Some projects that have left the space,
some that are starting to build more in the space. Ironically enough, and obviously Cardano is
one thing, and then Midnight is another, and we can really talk about both in this space.
And and then of course the governance, which is where being a D rep matters,
and where you delegate your ADA matters. And you know, kind of looking into
how you might vote for things. I think you should be a D rep, Razo, because you have
very strong opinions about a lot of stuff. So where would you allow the money to go,
and where would you not? And obviously, the name of the game there is also to get delegation,
but it's it's voting power, not not staking power like like ADA and and in Darmz stake pool,
let's say it's it's a voting power based on your ADA. So who do you who do you currently delegate
your your vote to? You? No no no because no because if you stick with the pool, that's one thing,
but you still have to go and you register to vote, and then you choose a D rep.
So like you had to use my ID if if you if you did register.
Or maybe maybe you're not registered to vote currently, so you might be like auto abstain
or or you know it depends I guess. Yeah, I would like help with that. Honestly, actually,
I would like to get more involved in the politics of Cardano. Yeah, let's go.
Like I was talking to Adam Dean last night, and I was getting a little crazy. I was like, yo, like.
I missed it, dude. I could I couldn't be a part of you guys' conversation,
so I'm looking forward to whatever content you put together from it. Yeah, no,
I I definitely didn't want to miss it, but I yeah I had my own duties on the ground,
just doing my thing up there, walking people through some stuff. So I had to miss that,
but I definitely want to want to hear it, and and yeah, please continue
and share however much of it you want right now. Yeah, I was just talking to Adam Dean, you know,
I was interviewing him, and I really care about Cardano. I think if you're here with us, shout out.
No one's left. I mean, if you were here for the money, you're probably long gone, right? Um,
I learned that a lot of our friends have kind of gone silent too, and I learned
some financial stuff, like people taking out loans under houses. Oh my god! That's like so.
I'm like, oh shit. So I understand. So no one's really here right now. Everyone's bitter,
and honestly, dude, tomorrow I think there's gonna be a big ass drop for this next week.
Cause I told you so. And I think we should move our. You know how we took a long on Ada at like.
Yeah, point like eight point zero eight seven, I think. Ah. I think we're gonna have to lower it now
because the line has shifted. Oh. We can go as low. We can go as low as five cents, bro. No,
you're kidding. That's where it's at. About to get bumpy. So, but everything looks dumpy.
It looks like Bitcoin's about to dump. I'm still in my short. I've been holding the short for like
a month. Yeah. Because I'm really sure we're going down to like fifty thousand. Okay,
and and that means all the altcoins look the same. I was showing Adam Dean like all the charts.
I wish I could I show everyone here visually. Yeah, they all they all scream the same pattern,
right? Like we broke out of this resistance, this line that's holding us down. And usually,
when you break out of those, you always come back and you kiss it. Right, or you can move up,
and all the altcoins, all of them, which is what I don't understand the hate that Cardano gets.
Like, oh my God, the price! Like, bro, I'm looking at all the charts. I have all the charts in front
of me. Right. Yeah, I'm doing my research. Trust me. I don't. I don't see how your thing
looks any better. XRP. I think it's gonna go down to like sixty-five cents. I heard that
one fifty-cent range, and I was like, I think seven hundred and fifty bucks.
There's some lines down there. Hey, if it hits that, I might just get a little Ethereum
because I I owe my mom an Ethereum coin from like back in the day. So you know, yeah, dude,
she ended up buying into Ethereum at some point. Yeah, dude, my mom's a little bit
of a crypto degenerate. It's kind of funny, actually. Look like she messes with phones. Oh no, dude,
she yeah, she's very much knows about Cardano. Has different wallets. Like she has an FT. He's like,
yeah, man, she's she's. She's actually not ironically the one that introduced me
to Cardano a long time ago. Told me the story. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, but but yeah, dude.
Just definitely price price action is something to consider. It's it's something that you know.
I I see it as an opportunity. Of course, I understand the fear of of drops in price value.
If all you're doing is like looking at your USD value, but dude, for me, I'm like, dude,
if we get down to ten cents or five cents, sheesh, I'm I'm throwing I'm throwing the house at it.
You know what I mean? Like I'm going in. That'd be probably one of the best opportunities that
I would have, just as someone interested in in maintaining the stake pool long term,
to like guarantee returns in a better way by becoming the whale, right? Like you become a whale,
I become a whale, like and then what? And then nobody can can stop us
because we'll be minting blocks like crazy and Yeah, it's just the idea of what we could do with
that has been long debated here in these spaces, right? Should SPOs get like KPIs or something?
Like, think about how many people we got to use Bodega yesterday at the event, dude.
That was probably more usage than that thing's seen in months, right? Like,
and that's the type of that's that's the type of thing you got to do is like get out there and and.
You know, like put the technology in the hands of the people. So that's one of the things that I
I was really glad that we we facilitated and just to kind of move into the into the recap
of the event last night. Like it went super super great from my point of view.
I was obviously like stressed out about how many people would show up and like it's always stressful
on that side of planning. But then. Actually, the turnout was great, and the people who showed up
were like into the tech, and they had questions. And we onboarded new wallets,
and you know they ended up using proof of onboarding via Adam Dean inside their Vesper wallet.
I know Vesper has a similar service now, so shout out for them developing that.
But we had already partnered with Adam on on the drop itself, so he facilitated that for us,
and then. You know, we partnered up with Bodega, who set all of the prediction markets that we used.
We only had two, but they they provided everything that you need to set it up because I guess
I think you have to hold a certain number of tokens to create markets.
And and then they allowed us to just have that fun yesterday. So people had a good time,
just inputting their bets. You know, Portugal or Colombia, and and so those of us that voted no,
as in Portugal would not win, actually won, even though it was a tie games, because it was like, oh,
really, your bet was that Portugal would win. So any other outcome negates that. And so anyway,
it was fun. People had fun. People claimed their rewards, and we got to bring together
our community. We got to kind of share a little bit of literature on what dreams is and what Cardano
and Midnight are. And and yeah, you know, you know, you got to do your interviews for for bad money,
and I don't know. The whole point is that we're we're actively trying to build community. So
when people are like, man, on Twitter, it's it's fucking bad vibes, and people are gone. I'm like,
yeah, I see that, but we're still building. We're still out here doing our thing. You know,
it's it's maybe smaller than before, and I don't know. I feel like we've actually spent
more money on this event than we had spent on other events previously,
but like that was because we got some sponsorship from Stand With Crypto
and from the homie Jack at Solaris. And a few other kind of just giveaway sponsors. So you know,
it's it's interesting just kind of seeing how the IRL conversation is being shaped.
I feel like there's a big shift coming on because the only people that are still here left,
like the big, I mean the Cardona people. Either you're still worried about your bags, I guess,
so you're just you're plugging in just to see if your money is ever going to come back.
Or you still believe, like me and you, right? Like I am gonna double down if ADA enters between
point zero eight six and point zero four seven. But like, but like I was telling Rick last night
from Toke Matrix, this is the last time I'm gonna purchase crypto because either this is the bottom,
or or I don't know, or we're we're wrong. We just gotta admit it. Maybe maybe we all, I don't know.
Maybe we made a mistake. Maybe you don't need crypto. Maybe it's just AI. Like,
why you need a blockchain when you got AIs or something? No, well, no,
but but these are these are actually questions that if Relic was here, we we might dive into,
and we could dive into ourselves as well. But like we've talked about that a bit here,
where where AI and blockchain sort of inter interact with each other, where they interlace.
With each other, they they support each other. Like all of this idea of harnesses
and adapting AI behavior, and then because if your harness has the wallet capabilities,
and you're just plugging in the brain, there's like a lot there as far as what you can do with
blockchains and inputs and outputs and like types of human in the loop scenarios that are
way more secure. And you know where where does the AI query the data that it's working with?
So like probably you know imagine blocks as those databases because even now you can go back
to look at UTXOs on on something like UTXO dot dot com or dot org. I forget. But you can see,
like the blockchain transactions, and you can. So I think, I think it's going to be
a really rich environment for AI. Actually, Cardano's blocks and its network,
and all of the transactions that we validate and verify on the chain. Like it's, it's,
it's interesting to see it kind of like taking on that bit that role more, and making
more connections with things like Filecoin and Rweave, and you know, it's, it's,
it's a cross-chain future. We already knew that, so I don't know, man. Like I feel, I feel hopeful.
I feel like we didn't make a mistake. But maybe we were way earlier than we thought,
which you know I'm okay with. I think, I think having paid my tuition on the way down from
three dollars all the way to now, I'm just trying to like now decide: am I really in Cardano
for the long haul, or am I just here to try to make a bag and then like I'm out of here as soon
as the market recovers? And the reality is, like if I'm just being very honest,
it it's it's a long term thing for me. Like I I will continue to if I'm just doing it by myself,
even like run DRMZ stake pool and. And you have everybody leaves Cardano, everybody leaves crypto.
Everyone's like, fuck this, I'm out, I'm on the boat, let's get out of here. I'll still run it,
dude. I don't care. Like the cost is is worthwhile to me, and and we get to participate in
this global node infrastructure that supports a decentralized blockchain.
And there's just a lot we could do with that. It's just it's just like a like a good for the world.
It's good for the world that we run more nodes. It's bad for the world that DRMZ is not saturated
and that we don't have enough delegation to really be like meaningful supporters of the ecosystem.
But you know, 65 blocks over four four years is is not nothing. And you know we've we've put
every every bit of delegation like we we we love every single delegate.
There's people who have like five ADA in there only, and that's because we gave it away to them
at an event or something. We're like, yo, as long as you got the keys, you're a delegate
and you're part of our community. So come out and vote and participate
and and participate in all the fun things that we're trying to do. You know,
like like yesterday was a good example of that. We want to do fun stuff while the community
's out here. Like, oh my god, it's all dead. We're like, we just hosted a fun watch party
and we just ate food and drank beer and talked about sports. And then there was like networking
and Cardano and and. And all that. Me and Adam Dean were going hard about Cardano, man. Yeah, well,
I'm I'm curious to hear what he said, dude. Yeah, tell me a bit more of what what you're what you're
willing to share about that conversation, and then we'll kind of go into the wallet situation
after that. And for me, yeah, for me, crypto is inevitable. You know, like AI needs cryptocurrency,
in my opinion. I don't think there's any way around it. Like, you already have
AI agents mining crypto, so I don't think we're wrong. And that's kind of
where I'm doubling down on these prices. And also, I've been I've been adding all these.
I'm going beyond crypto now. That's what I'm saying. I think I've reached a new stage
of my trading journey now, where I'm starting to feel really comfortable with what I'm doing.
What I learned over the past like five years, you know, like I'm trusting the TA itself instead
of going off on my emotions like I usually do, right? And And I want to expand to stocks,
and I ask the AI to help me organize my trading view into different sections.
So I have a whole section on crypto. Oh, let's go. For AI, so like semiconductors, I have Palantir,
Amazon. I'm looking at all these things: Meta, SpaceX. I'm looking at Nvidia and that Robinhood.
With the goal of understanding them, or or are you like diversifying into these
where it makes sense? Yeah, I'm gonna diversify into them, but but see,
I've been going back through the history of these charts and like Amazon, Nvidia, Meta,
all the biggest companies. You name it, Palantir. Like before they pump them,
they fucking dump them, bro. And it looks exactly like crypto does right now, and it makes sense.
Like they need to break these lines, these levels, and you see it over and over and over again.
Like now that I know what I'm doing and I understand these lines, because it's not me.
It's just I'm just following a couple rules with some lines over and over again.
I keep seeing patterns, and that's what allowed me to call the top on gold
and silver because I was looking at Bitcoin measure in gold and silver. And this is,
and I've been calling every single step of the way, like since since the last bottom, right?
Because I thought we were going to hold at this other line. Remember, this is yeah.
Because the pie psycho and all these things, but I did say if this breaks,
then we're going to come down to here, and we called the Bitcoin bottom, and ever
since then I've been calling it like the reversal back to the. I have it all in my X, right?
And I've been saying that Cardano is going to go into these levels, and now I'm looking at Ethereum
at 750 bucks. I'm looking at XRP at 65 cents, and now I added all these other charts
with semiconductor companies and all these stocks. They're running hot as hell, dude.
The only thing that hasn't pumped is crypto. And then I'm looking at how Tesla started,
how Apple started, and you see the same thing. They dump it so that they scare as many people
as they can, and then boom, they pump it, right? So I think it's inevitable.
You got AI agents mining cryptocurrency. Is there going to be more AI agents in the future or today?
Is the future going to become more digital or less digital? I mean, unless an asteroid hits us,
right? Then we got bigger issues, right? But if we continue to survive,
then it's going to be more digital. So and our Is the AI gonna want digital money or fiat?
Like obviously, digital money. Right. No, it makes so much sense to have a digital token.
And really, if you have something like Babel fees on Cardano, then you can choose any currency
and just swap between. So I think so. That's my thesis, right? Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe maybe crypto is dead. I do think a lot of cryptos are never coming back, though. You know,
sure, yeah, that would say that that would make some sense. I mean,
I don't want to speculate exactly about like which ones will not come back,
but I like to focus on Cardano because I don't think it's going anywhere except up. Like that,
you know, the the next thing to to talk about actually talks a little bit about.
So I got a little agenda here for the show. Um, we've got um the good and the bad essentially.
So you just talked about market pain actually, and and ADA weakness, and and I did want to sort of.
Chime in again on opportunity looks different for different people, and obviously, like it's NFA,
and we're not suggesting that you go in like crazy. But you know, when when I
when you first buy in at a much higher price point, and the technology only gets better,
which we'll talk about in a moment, then it's kind of just like, okay,
I'm just doubling down on something I believe in, and never in an unsafe way where it leaves you
sort of vulnerable. You know, we used to read the tenets. Are you familiar with the ministry
tenets at all? Have you have you heard them, Raza? Oh, sorry, I was a mute. Yeah,
I remember you guys saying like, stake your Ada, hold your own keys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll reserve the um, I'll reserve the chant for relic, but I'll read the tenets because I think
they're still viable, dude. And I, I kind of want to add maybe one or two more to to really.
Hone in on a few missing points, right? But tenant number one of the ministry:
Thou shalt honor the Cardano blockchain above all others. I mean, that sounds super culty.
So I get how we how we've been called a cult. It's okay, I accept it. But yeah, you know,
it's it's understanding that the chain is very powerful in a lot of good ways,
including decentralization and now scalability, which we'll talk about in a moment.
And security like crazy. Except our other point to discuss is like holy shit.
What about the exploits that are happening right now via SecondFi? And I want I want your thoughts
on that, Razo. So you know, thou shall honor the Cardano blockchain above all others.
Thou shall secure thy ADA with thine own crypto keys, which has proved rather wise advice
for anybody who's moving funds. People getting drained. I know actually they suggested
that some people don't move their funds. So we'll talk about how how you've seen
that in just a moment. Thou shall stake thy ADA with an SPO, not leave it on exchanges. So really,
there's so much ADA left on exchanges, or like unstaked ADA. Stake it to dreams.
Stake it to a small stake pool, and help the ecosystem for sure. Thou shall do thine own research
and defend Cardano with facts against the forces of FUD. I I still live and breathe by this one.
It's part of what promotes a lot of my troll fighting action on Twitter,
because there is a lot of FUD, and we have the facts to back that Cardano is sound technology.
Thou shalt not have paper hands, unless to save thyself from despair. See,
there is the clause where, if despair is coming, and I think Max Payne, as you've described it,
is is is that, then you know despair is coming. So save yourself, like if you must. I will not.
I will keep buying. That is my despair to take on. Thou shalt not FOMO unless thou consider
thyself a true degenerate. And it just goes back to, listen, am I buying NFTs right now? Yeah,
maybe I am a little bit. Maybe some of the ones that I see way undervalued, and I'm like, "Huh,
I never really thought I would get this that cheap." And it's you're doing research
as you have done with tokens, like into communities that are still vibrant, or still thriving,
or still doing their thing, which I think is ultimately what we need to start. Like, yo,
which ones are going to come back? Like, which ones actually are enduring the bear market? Like,
which ones do I see building? Like You know, I I bought a few NFTs from like old projects that
I loved. I I picked up a few new NFTs from newer projects that just launched.
It's it's still a thing, dude. It's just going to come back in a different form,
and I I can't wait until we have NFTs. Let's say on midnight too, that you can sort of cross connect
with NFTs on Cardano. They're they already have that that partnership and relationship.
Like you know, I imagine a situation where you're holding like a dreamcatcher that looks like
our logo, but because you're holding that on Cardano, like you're generating dust. Right,
like on on midnight, and and what you can do with that, well, it varies. Like it, it might as well,
it could be what powers your insurance app that you were talking about the other day, right?
Potentially wanting to make. So definitely, you need to recognize whether you're a degenerate.
You need to recognize those those. Oh my God, I gotta press that buy buy buy button or bet bet bet.
Yo, right now betting on bodega. I've been like, oh shit, I got a little degenerate me
through that bodega app. So so I got I got to chill. Most people are not buying right now, though.
If you think about it. Yeah, yeah, we're gone. That's true, but there are still people buying.
You you can see the liquidity that's moving through the tokens, and like some of them, of course,
much more than others. But yeah, I I think recognizing whether you're a true degenerate
is important. The the the you know not investing more than thou can'ts afford to lose is
is also important. That's tenant number seven. There, you have to know how much you're going in.
You mentioned people. You mentioned people taking like loans and stuff or overleveraging,
and I think that's that's probably something that's not safe to do if you don't know what
you're doing. That's why I stay away from like real confusing DeFi, even some like futures trading
and stuff that you're getting more comfortable with. I'm like that that has a learning curve to it,
and I think we really need to recognize that and help people get there so they can learn to use it
and understand the benefit of it, but but also not lose their funds and not get scammed and and not,
you know, all of the platforms so far have been safe. This is a wallet issue
that we're talking about here, but in any case, know what you what you've put in. And the final one,
I can't even, you know, I can't even. I haven't followed myself. I'm gonna have to go
and like make myself a PFP again with the Cardano Ministry token. Because it says,
"Thou shall honor the ministry with good behavior." On crypto Twitter, whilst donning its crest,
which space lady is down there? Shout out to you, space lady, for rocking the Cardano ministry logo
with your goat. Looks awesome! Shout out to you, Kaya, for coming through. Shout out to Flod.
Shout out to DRMZ. Shout out to our community that's going to be maybe tuning in a little bit later.
And if anybody wants to come up and chit chat, please, please join us. We've just read the tenets.
I want your thoughts now, Razo, on the wallet situation. How much did you know?
How has it impacted you as a user? Does it scare you in any way, etc.? You know,
I don't think we have actually gotten a chance to talk about this. I don't think
I I completely understand the whole picture. Tell you the truth, that's what I was trying to ask
Adam Dean. He thinks it's more of a I don't know. He didn't want to say on the record anything,
but let's say let's say it's not the blockchain's fault. He thinks right. Well, well, well,
that's a big thing. We needed to differentiate that it's not Cardano that was hacked;
it was a wallet level issue. Right, like maybe user. I don't know. It's still scary though,
and I feel for those people. Imagine. I check my wallet right after that because it's just
like I'm getting like every day, dude. Someone's trying to break into my fucking email or something.
Every day, I get a text from Coinbase's or this and that. Right. It's I don't I don't answer
any calls from any numbers I don't know. Sure. I don't believe anything anymore, man.
We live in a confusing time, so I'm talking. But Adam Dean doesn't think it's. It's Cardano, right?
It's and then from what I keep hearing, it's related to treasure wallets, right?
Or is it happening outside? Well, well, well. Well, that's something that we need to talk about
and and really discuss, even the legal parameters that come into play there, because so so big pay.
I I got to sort of chat with him when we went to Japan in January. So you know it was
kind of interesting. We had met one time before a long time ago at Consensus, like a long. Anyway,
I don't think he remembered, and it was very brief. He goes back. He's yeah,
we he's been in Cardano since I learned about Cardano. Yeah, an OG making videos,
like all that jazz. Anyway, like we got to talking a bit, and and he kind of told me
how how his journey had gone in the space. I got to kind of like hear a bit more of his story
and understand his point of view, like where where he might disagree with the community, etc.
But then. Something like claiming that your wallet was drained, like you know, oh, using a ledger
or a trezor is is wow, that's got to come with some some receipts of some kind.
Like you can't just make those claims. I imagine trezor was like, yo, and I I did see their message
back to him was like, yo, well, what happened? Tell us more, because that shouldn't be
able to happen. Um, from from what I could say, uh, the there was multiple attacks,
and they drained sixteen million ADA, about two point two point four million dollars from hundreds
of wallets. Reporting says the issue came from a flaw in Second Five's
proprietary wallet generation software, not from a failure of the Cardano-based protocol.
The vulnerability was described as an address level, meaning simply restoring the same seed phrase
into another wallet may not protect affected users. So it was like, wait,
am I safe to like take my seed phrase and then put this into a different, you know?
And and that was what Adam and I were talking about. Like that that goes against everything
I've learned about crypto. You telling me that I can just take my keys and put that shit
wherever the fuck I want to restore this. And you know, if you were a careful user,
which is what I think most of us here in this room would do, is then you would create the new wallet
immediately just to have signing power. And then you would create an entirely brand new wallet,
completely separate from that wallet, and send your own ADA to that new wallet,
which now would not be compromised because you've never touched SecondFi with it. You know,
like like the idea of signing something out of your SecondFi wallet was that's what caused the issue
for anybody that wanted to transact out of SecondFi. So, you know, that's one of those things where.
I saw so much discrepancy in what was being reported, and I'm like, man,
people are going to be so confused. And people that we've brought into the space
don't really use Yoroi that much, to be honest with you. It's Vesper Wallet that they use,
Edge Wallet, some in some cases. We've even told them about like Game Changer Wallet,
but I was using Eoroi because I've been a Cardano ambassador and a D rep for like a long time,
and doing voting and and doing Project Catalyst voting was through Eoroi. So I was like, "Fuck!
" And like that's a that's a wallet that I use all the time. So I just ended up restoring it
into a Ledger. I was like, you know what? It's been a minute.
I've I've always kind of Just kind of been very very slow on the on the. All right,
let's use the tech here. Let's actually ledger up. And so I was like, you know what, fuck it.
I I've had this ledger for a while. I sent all my data into it, um, or or a good portion of it that
I wanted to secure. Uh, and you know I still have a hot wallet and stuff like that for other things
that I want to to work with. But you know the ledger is now my my little vault,
and uh you know that will just remain staked and and unless I'm clicking buttons locally,
uh it hasn't touched anything. That would would come close to second phi. Like so. Anyway,
let let me toss it over to Cardano Collective CK. I saw your hand, and and welcome to well hung
Senor Orito. How's it going, Senorito? What's up, Rod? Man, I don't know who that CK Cat is,
but I'm sure he's awesome, man. As Jesus, as Jesus is said to have said,
"You will know them by their fruit," you know. And so, speaking of data, man,
I just want to really ring the bell on what you just said. That was such a powerful
and important exchange. Shout out to the Cardano Ministry out here keeping it lit.
Shout out to advocates for the ecosystem, whether we agree or not. And that's the thing.
I have never had a The gift of friendship, a great friend with whom I agree on everything.
I I still joke with my best friend about we were arguing. Is is the number of people killed by
bees every year? Is it a lot? And we literally got in a heated argument because it was over
the phrase "no one gets killed by bees," and I was like, "Well, well, you know.
" And I forget who had which side of the argument, but it's like, no, people obviously get killed by
anyway. Um, but yeah, bro. So to the best of my understanding, just to co-sign what
you were just saying there. Folks that generated their original set of 12
or 24 word seed phrases using your Roy and or SecondFi app and or the migration.
The migration from whatever their Cardano wallet was into SecondFi, the minute one started to cross
those Rubicons, it is possible you have compromised that set of key key phrases.
So what I'm saying is, if you take those words
that were generated using your or SecondFi, and you recover them even in a ledger or Trezor or
Yo, you rugged. I think we, I think we lost him. He's rugged. Yeah, yeah,
but he was making a good point. He was making a good point. Like unless you migrated your royal,
your royal wallet over to SecondFi, you're not gonna get hacked. Wait,
I need to understand this because that's exactly how I started. So what do I need to do? So,
so you use SecondFi with your your royal wallet? I don't even know what SecondFi is. Okay, okay,
okay. Razo, Razo, Razo. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Though, but the app in your phone changed,
Razo. Like the app in your phone by itself changed into something called SecondFi.
So you should look into, like, have. Okay, question is, when was the last? I got a new phone,
so then I never opened up youroi again. But I use the same phrase to open up. My Vesper wallet,
let's say, from my Eroiy. Then I, I would. But you're good if you if you never participated in
second fights. You're good. I don't well, well, well, well, bro. To be fucking paranoid,
but still work within the ecosystem in a safe way. I say. You create a brand new wallet.
You send all your shit to this new wallet. You redo your staking and whatever,
and you just have now peace of mind that at least they don't have that key, like those new keys.
It's not a Cardano thing. It's a Eroide thing. Yeah, it's a wallet thing.
So it's an exploit at the wallet level. But I see Flod may have more to say about that process.
Maybe some experience to share. So. Yeah, you got it freaking me out, bro. No, no, it's about safety
and knowing exactly what not to do, right? Which is why that advice to not restore. Well,
I'm just going to step in front of my friend here, who is probably pretty smart and smarter than me,
and most of you guys are. But at the same time, if you do a transaction from a wallet
that's been compromised, even if you're changing to a new wallet, you might be giving away some shit
that's already been picked up and put down. You know what I mean? So like,
your public key has already been given away. Now they're just waiting for you to transact.
On any fucking wallet, it doesn't matter. They don't care which wallet you're transacting on.
If you're making a transaction, they've already got your public keys, your private keys,
and whatever, and and they're going to take your shit. Wait, but no, but okay. Well,
let's let Vlad go, and I think we can continue this because it is very nuanced,
and I have questions. But go ahead, Vlad. All right, so look, it's when the transaction happens
that your seed phrase is being grifted. So anything generated in Eroiy or now SecondFi,
which is just a fucking rebranding and rework of the same old bullshit,
which is a 15-word seed phrase, not a 12 or 21. Those old keys are compromised,
but only at the moment of making a transaction. Mine's completely safe right now
because I'm not doing shit with my wallet. Nothing. I'm not claiming any. SPO rewards nothing.
Don't do a transaction with those wallets till they figure out what the hell they're doing.
But as far as the whole don't migrate it to another wallet, that serves their purposes.
They are the largest key rep, and it it serves them very well to have hundreds of millions of ADA
of other people's power. So they're of course right, exactly. Of course they're going to tell you
no. The risk is that it say I want to migrate. From my Roy wallet to a brand new,
brand spanking new, you know, Eternal wallet or Vesper or whatever, I can do that.
But I'm running the gamble that their bots are going to be slower than me to report online,
and then whichever one reports online first is the one that's going to go through. So
if they can front run you, meaning if they've got the compute power and the fucking AI bots running
to do it, to actually put the same transaction through that you just did,
and if you do try to risk that and do it, you should move absolutely everything in one shot.
You can't break it into like four different transactions or something.
You're going to lose some shit that way. The seed phrases are common. No, it's not. No, it's not.
No, it's not. Oh, that's the misinformation I'm trying to correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So correct me,
please. Okay, hold on. It's Youroi's seed generation software is the fucking problem. Youroi's.
So SecondFi is just a second generation of Youroi wallet with new branding. It's the same shit,
the same process. The problem was they didn't open source their software to be, you know, analyzed
and and audited by outside sources. They self audited their shit and said, oh yeah, this looks good.
That was a big problem and a huge mistake, but it was a mistake that was made five or six years ago,
dude. It's not something that just happened. Five or six years ago, that's when I came in. Yeah.
So you're saying I'm vulnerable using your wallet? Are you already drunk?
You you came in four years ago. No, I'm asking you like serious questions, bro.
Because it was at least a year and a half after I was in Spaces before I ran into you, if not two.
But that being said, the way I came in was the Uroy wallet. Like that's the way I came in.
The way you came in was trolling us in Spaces. We busted your balls instead of booting you out,
and you're still around. That's that's how you came in. Well, I'm asking you what my recent,
my recent profile is here, and and everyone else that's listening too.
It's the Uroy seed phrase generation process that's the problem. They're not sure
how they're going to fix it yet, so they're scurrying to try to figure that out
and figure out if they even could repay the money because the reported amount is
sixteen million ADA. That's the reported amount, but there's conflicting reports that say
as much as a hundred and twenty million ADA. Hold on, and there's supposedly a single wallet
that holds a hundred and twenty million of this ADA. That's supposedly. Oh, wasn't
that the white hat? That was the white hat, right? Supposed. That's what I'm trying to say.
Supposedly, the white hat. But who knows? It look, man. From my experience,
and I've got a fuck ton of experience with hackers being in the gaming industry for twenty years.
Most white hat hackers are black hat hackers too. And most times, when a hacker steps forward
and calls themselves a white hat, they're the perpetrator of the fucking exploit in the first place.
I've seen it hundreds of times in the past. I don't trust the wallet saying, "Oh no,
I just stole this to show you it could be stolen." No, he still stole the fucking money. Right.
I'm going to take your tipper. It's still an exploit. And then I'm also going to take the rest
of the shit on top of it. Sure. So so okay. So like, imagine a scenario.
Where you have your wallet connected to a variety of places. So like I've done this before,
and I wonder if if that's why mine was a non-issue, because I did I've been using that address
that was connected to Erooi. Dude, it's like having a prosthetic sex. Yeah, in different wallets,
and just I've had it backed up into different wallets. So like I have it backed up into Lace.
I have it backed up into Vespa. I have it backed up into like I had it backed up into Erooi.
But then I haven't touched. I'm doing the same shit. That's that's what's making
me so fucking paranoid. Is that like originally came into your Roy, and so now I've shared
the secret phrase amongst like my whisper, my fucking whatever. No, but but but I think it's
because you haven't signed anything with the new second phi process, which is the one
that sort of unpacks your secret phrase and gives it to the because it's like oh yeah we know it
here you go this is the phrase you can have it because you know like then then I think you're fine
because for example with me immediately knowing okay you know what all these wallets are vulnerable
because a transaction can be signed for me. Well then, really, in my opinion,
a ledger is safe in that the key is local and never hits the internet at all. So I was like,
let me put my ADA into a ledger I've had for a long time. It's like a little Nano X that
I've actually been meaning to use, but I've been very lazy to do it. And this is the type of stuff
that gets me thinking. You know, I think it's worth just taking the extra security. So anyway,
I move my ADA just fine. It's now safely in a ledger. I have zero concerns
that it will be withdrawn. I recommend a Keystone wallet. And if you if you want one of those,
you can just look at my pin tweet. The Keystone wallet. Oh, I've heard of those.
I've heard those are good. Those are good. I feel like you were an ambassador for a little while,
weren't you? Not for Keystone, no. Shit, maybe I should be. You should be for real, yeah.
Cause like they're open source. They're, I mean, it's it's not like any of this shit
that we're witnessing right now. Well, and right, and and I like the idea of having things
that can be vetted, right? Like that's partly why I liked Cardano's whole white paper ecosystem,
research-backed, all that jazz. So anyway, so that's good to know. Then more information
about the second Fyroy related exploit. It wasn't Cardano that was hacked. It is a wallet
or software failure connected to how certain wallets are generated. So if people lose funds,
it seems like they're trying to capture your information, and that they will look to make you whole.
But that's a whole. You know, complicated mess about. And how do you feel about them being like one
of the biggest DREFs, and now they control this AI while they're trying to
while they're trying to like convey the custody from from the fake ass white hat hacker
who didn't actually take the shit out of like liquidity pools and all that shit.
So this white hat hacker who apparently took the funds back, right?
And how much did they charge Emergo for that? And people are still getting raped.
By the other fifty thousand motherfuckers who have been turned on to this shit, I mean,
I should be raping all of you. I mean, I I really should be like stealing your fucking money
right now, but I'm not because I'm because you don't know how. And the white hacker didn't hack
and take people's money back. He he he reproduced the exploit. There's a difference between the two.
He didn't take the money back. He exploited a bunch of people to say, "Hey, I'm the white hack.
I'm fucking helping you here." But he still took other people's money.
He didn't take money from the hackers. They have no idea who the fuck they. And yeah, I don't know
how. So you never. If you did, you would. That's why you've always tried to remain anonymous,
except for when you're drunk enough that you let all your details slip,
and then we know who you are. Flog could tell you my real name right now. Ooh, yeah.
We've all known. I don't know your real name, but I know we've all interacted for many years
at this point. Razo is actually the newest to the cohort, so so Razo is getting a taste
for more vibrant. No, Razo came in early. Razo came in super fucking early,
and that's why he's your benefactor. Fucking Razo is the king of the fucking space,
and I'm gonna give a shout out to Haya. And can also give a shout out to that.
There used to be a song by the Meters. It's but it starts out high, yeah. Shout out, Hiya!
Thank you for joining us. Shout out, Knife Force. Wait, time out, time out, son. So,
what the fuck should I do? Nothing. Ah, it sounds like to me, get yourself a Keystone wallet
or Ledger. Move your funds into those uh completely new wallets now. The whole thing
about you transacting, Adam. Adam, your Roy, do nothing, do nothing, do nothing, do nothing,
do nothing. That's well, if if you do nothing, that's how they get you. They front
when you on your transaction because they already got your fucking uh your your your public keys.
Do nothing. So basically, the way you don't get hacked is by doing nothing. Literally doing nothing.
But answer answer this question, Razo. Do you also have the same seed phrase backed into
your Vesper wallet in your mobile? It's the seed phrase they're tracking, guys.
It's the seed phrase they're tracking. It doesn't fucking matter your Roy or second five.
They're the ones that generated it. But the address itself is what they're tracking.
It's transactions on that address that trigger it. They've already got your address.
They've got my address. They've got fucking Rod's address. What they need is for you to do
a transaction. Try to move that, and then they have an opportunity, not a guarantee,
but an opportunity. They have the missing ingredient right there, right there. When you do that,
they have the missing ingredient. Man, I was like two words from finishing my point.
Like every time too. So when you do the transaction, is when you're vulnerable.
And if you move it right now to anything, you are taking a risk, and you need to be aware of that.
If they are able and aligned and all set up and ready and watching your seed phrase, bam,
they just front run the chain and put a bunch of fucking transactions through
in that same seed phrase, and that gives them. The funds and not you. It's not smart to move shit
right now, as much as I hate to say it, and leave everything sitting in your Roy's pocket
to be voting with for their own shit over and over and over again. It is smarter to not do
a transaction at all. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. All right, Jesus. And right now, guys, get ready.
Honestly, for you, Razo, because I know that that you are already like let's say staking with
the pool, you're staking with DRMZ, then you don't have to worry about your vote being with your Roy
because your money's sitting in that wallet. Is still delegated to the pool that
you selected already, like it's not defaulted to your ROI, like a lot of people's is,
and that's that's the big concern about like undelegated ADA or ADA that goes auto abstain
or like this governance conversation is is taking us now towards the topic like the next topic,
but I definitely wanted to try to understand more about this vulnerability that's causing
so many issues. Where yeah, it is like they stole your seed phrases, right? So like.
Why can't we generate? Like, there's a lot of questions in my mind. It goes against a lot of what
I what I know about the technical side of it, right? So definitely, it's a good idea to follow
the advice of the community that you trust. We all have various experiences.
That's as part of the the whole goal here. Is that you know, I I can share, for example,
that I again moved my shit. Successfully, because I use my Vesper wallet.
That is again the same one that I had connected to Eroiy, but it's backed up to my Vesper wallet
as well. And from that one, I moved what I needed to move, and it's in a it's now in a ledger,
which again has local signing. So so again, it doesn't there's there's no way
for them to sign transactions out of that wallet, no matter what. And well,
that's what I thought anyway, right? But then ah, the plot. And I would like to give a shout out to
Keystone Wallet. Well, well, well. Well, hold on, because maybe we haven't heard any issues from
Keystone Wallet. But if Ledger or Trezor can have an issue, then it's like okay,
see that that's where I wanted those receipts that we were talking about because not just Big Pay,
but a few others are like, oh, I I had my stuff in a Ledger and it's been drained, and I'm like,
okay, well those claims. Are big because now you're saying. Wasn't it like a ledger security guy
who divulged all the the ways to for for you and I and all the speakers in this community
to to like take over the space and like rob people? Wasn't wasn't it the ledger security guy?
I think that was yeah. That was the accusation. I I didn't read too much of what he posted,
but I did see kind of that perspective that he was not. Serving the ecosystem, you know,
he was he was causing or creating new exploits as people who want to hurt the chain would like know
how to hurt the chain, and yeah, Cardano's always had haters. We know this, and and you know,
it's it is what it is, but. Good actors exist too, and and we're out here supporting.
And and I I liked seeing the reaction from the community that was very much like search oriented
and trying to figure out where the transactions went. And I mean they're like fucking detectives,
bro. They figure out a lot of that shit. And I was just following it like a drama, like oh shit,
like what now? This is the downside of fucking having everything transparent and fucking.
That's why we need midnight. That's why we. That's why we need zero-nos proof
so that we can rob people in the darker night and get away with it. Fucking like what the fuck? Why?
Why do we need? Why do we need fucking all this transparency out here and all this like, you know,
like why do we need all this fucking good shit that all these cyberpunk motherfuckers love?
While we need to be like raping and pillaging. I don't know, man, but I would watch out right now.
Keeping an eye on Gold Rush. Cause if they're gonna, they're trying to.
I don't know that they're trying to kill Cardano. Cause how the hell would you kill Cardano?
There's gonna be a bunch of hardcore people like us. They're still left.
They're still gonna be trying to fight for it, you know. But I think they're coming for as much
of it as they can. They're they're driving this price down to like seven to five four cents.
They're trying to wipe out as many people as we can, as many hacks as they can.
They want our Cardano, and they want it badly, in my opinion. And the and the worst is yet to come,
right? Watch when Bitcoin dumps again to fifty thousand, like my lions are saying.
And now you're at like five cent, seven cent Cardanos, dude. Everyone's gonna start.
People are already fighting right now, and I'm so glad I'm not into the community.
I don't know anyone in the community. I was like, I don't know. I don't keep up with you.
You know me, you know. Don't even act like you don't know people. You fucking. You know Rod. I mean,
you're getting. I'm not a part of the Cardano cartel or whatever. The cult of Cardano, yeah, no,
there there is a cult, and and it's not the one that people. And everyone should delegate to
DRNG Stake Pool, especially if your Stake Pool has like recently fucking retired.
You should be going delegating like right now to DRNG Stake Pool because they show up
every fucking week. And I'm sorry, Raza, Riza, whoever. But that's some that's some that's
some good news. Some good news we're spreading here. I mean, some good information at least.
But also, I feel like everyone should put a buy on like seven cent Cardano. To like front run these,
bro, bro, dude. If we're if my was twenty two cents, if we're gonna buy,
so like I'm not gonna immediately jump in at fucking fourteen. You know what I mean? No,
if we're gonna buy at seven cents, Razel, we're gonna buy a point zero six nine. Come on, homie. No,
no, my next buy is a ten cent token, a ten cent token, and that's for broken, like fucking. So,
so right now, like. Right now, I'm just laser focused on the 10 cent token. Yeah,
that that's what Raza says it's going to go down to as well. He actually said lower.
Because it keeps moving, the line is like a lower. No, it probably should go down to like
0.3 percent or 0.30.3 cents. I don't know. What I'm saying is that it's coming, but.
And I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna buy a lot, but that's the last time I buy. Either we're right
or we're wrong. Become whales, baby. Let's go. But I'm here to protect our chain. Okay.
Everyone in the community still believes in this. Let's step back. Wait, wait. Let's step back.
Let's gather our thoughts for a second. Let's think about the state pool operators that are retiring
because it's not profitable anymore. So let's let's think about that for a second. Shit,
it's never been profitable for us. We're still around. Fuck out of here. That's not even the case,
dude. Most of them that are retire and have fucking tens of millions of ADA in there,
and they're making money every single month. They're using it as an excuse.
But they're giving that up, dude. Let me finish entire fucking sentences, Gold Rush. Seriously,
I'm getting pissed. All right. They're using this as an excuse to step away
because they're not getting funding for shit like making videos. That's the reality
of what's going on across the fucking board with these stake pools. The reality of this situation is
this has nothing to do with tearing Cardano down or fucking flooding it. This has to do with money.
Period. People steal money every chance they get, and someone figured out how to do it. That's all.
It's not about tearing this blockchain down. I disagree. That's what I was telling Rob before.
Two million dollars isn't affecting this fucking thing, dude. At all. This happens in all stocks.
This happened to Amazon. This happened to Apple. This happened to Google. This happened to Meta,
and it's always the same game. And they got a break. What's funny with like Apple is they fired
their CEO and they brought him back after the fucking like purple and orange fucking
like monitor event. Um, they brought the fucking guy back, and then and what was the other one
he said? I don't know, dude. I've been looking at all the charts. This thing happened.
Maybe it is what you're saying, right? I'm sure there's a lot of fraud, a lot of you know,
money things. But this is just what happens to every chart. I don't need to look at the name.
I don't need to know if it's a crypto or not. It could be a stock. It could be a commodity.
It could be corn, whatever company you want. I keep going back in these charts,
and they always dump them before they pump them. And obviously, they're gonna dump it
before regulation. Like, come on, man. I'm not arguing that the dump and the pump doesn't happen.
That's what always happens in everything. It's not just stocks. It's not just crypto. It's life,
money, finances. Fucking, that's a guarantee. But we're talking about two separate things here.
You're talking about the charts and what's going on with the charts, and I'm talking about
the exploit itself. These hackers simply stole money because they figured out how to.
They don't give a fuck what it does to the token, because they're gonna dump it, man. Yeah,
I get you. But what I'm saying is that they're here at the at the time.
And it barely affected the price. We went down fucking a penny and a half after this exploit.
The rest of it was just natural fucking market action. Block, but why would they hack it now
when Cardano's worthless? Because it's when they figured it out, and it's not worthless
when you take 16 million of them. That's still two and a half million dollars they stole, dude. Two
and a half million dollars. If you're talking about somebody from say fucking from Ghana
or fucking Kenya or something, yeah, then you're talking about a hundred million dollar haul.
Why would they do it now? Because they can. The same reason anyone hacks anything,
and hackers are always cybersecurity, dude. Always. All I'm saying is that it's a dead chain,
a ghost chain, it's a dead project. Then they wouldn't really be hacking it.
But they're gonna try to exploit us in any way they can. They're gonna try to divide us
with the news. They're gonna put more misinformation out. Dude, they might have been
seventeen years old in twenty twenty one when this token was fucking popping,
and not even went to college yet and learned how to fucking do what they've just pulled off.
There's a lot of reasons why not back then. The reality is, why not right now?
And that's what they're doing. The money's fucking taken, plain and simple.
And if the exploit is as big as it seems, like it could really be more
than the sixteen million dollars, this could completely wipe out Emergo and fucking
and Uroiy because their holdings aren't worth a hundred and twenty million dollars right now,
even at six hundred million fucking Genesis ADA. They still don't hold that much.
Because the token is down, but I don't think we're dealing with an organized coup.
I think we're dealing with some fucking thieves that figured out an exploit, dude. I spent I spent
twenty years of my life, thirty years of my life, exploiting game systems.
I took whatever the fuck I wanted from. I spent three years of my life coming up
with this fucking hack, so I appreciate you would shut the fuck up. Have any other chains
been hacked recently too, though? Or is just Cardano? We got the worst. No,
I mean we were peer reviewed, and now we're getting hacked. No, no, we're not.
The chain's not getting hacked, as Rods pointed out multiple times.
One particular wallet seed generation is the problem. But are other chains getting hacked? Yes,
all day long on Ethereum and Solana. Every smart contract-based fucking chain gets raped on
a regular basis, dude. This is the first time. And I appreciate you all so much.
The first time Cardano. I'm so happy you all show up every day, and like do the damn thing. Yeah.
Well, I guess what I'm saying. Is that there's a little bit more pain to come. Hold on, guys,
and I think we're entering a new chapter in Cardano. I think me and um we were talking about it
with um Adam Dean, and I was like, "Yo, like we were talking about Cardano as like a government
already. We're talking about the next level of politics." He thinks
that like Charles wants to take control of the chain and all this, and I'm like, yo,
I'm gonna run for president. Charles definitely does want to take control of the chain,
and Adam Dean, me too, though. Me too. It is like my motherfucker to make sure that doesn't happen.
So and I'm and I'm like, yo, yo, I run for president of Cardano. I think I should be president
of Cardano, bro. Let's go, man. Let's build our decentralized insurance. I was telling Adam Dean,
like, why are we trying to be like everyone else? Like with these wallets, they fucking suck nuts.
It's like the same wallet since Ethereum came out. It's such bullshit. Like
when I open up my wallet, I want to feel like I enter Web three. What are you nerds doing?
Why is anyone trying to just copy Ethereum? If they done insurance two years ago,
it would have actually been like a thing you could benefit financially from. But these days,
it's just like a fail safe mechanism. Like what the fuck are we talking about?
These wallets are lame, bro. We need to do something different. Like this is good.
Companies need to die. People need to lose. People are gonna. No, I'm gonna rob you.
I'm gonna rob everybody in this space. Rod, I'm gonna start with you. Bad, flawed.
What are you drinking? He's drinking. He's on his second and a half beer, and he's fucking wasted.
Yeah, I'm literally on like. You're never gonna rip me off on any level. My ninth.
I'll see you stumbling towards me. Yeah, yeah, but but you know what? I'm gonna walk away
with your wallet. I'm just gonna stumble towards you like I'm some kind of
New Orleans like homeless person in a street. Drunken master style. Walk away. Yeah, drunken master.
That's boom. He's gonna just like. Wapaw. Okay, so I think we're reaching a new level with Cardano,
where this politics thing is gonna become a thing. In my, in my humble opinion, Razo, Razo, Razo.
How do I become a Drip or whatever? What is it? I'll walk, I'll walk you through it. But listen,
my friend, listen. You were there when we fucking held the constitutional workshops. Oh yeah.
You you were there when we fucking went and participated in in the governance shared governance.
He saw it on YouTube. That doesn't mean he was actively involved. He was in the fucking room, dude.
Because I was there too, Gold Rush. Some of us on. I forgot. Thanks for reminding me, guys.
I'm saying so. Like we've been a part of that conversation for a long time,
and it's something that we really need to own a bit more. So one of the things that I'm working on
is more policy related and associating DRMZ and Cardano with more of the like policy making
in California. Like we know the the stand with crypto president and a few a few of the senators
that are are pro crypto and so it's just about creating a narrative a local narrative.
Can you swing it both ways? Like like if the if the pro crypto fucking thing is taken over,
like can you swing it back the other way where like. Hey, we really want to make sure the people
who need to live locally here are able to live locally. You know what I mean? Like, like why would
why would why would yeah? But why would crypto growing and facilitating peer-to-peer transactions
like limit that? It would just allow you to transact in a different way.
Really doesn't change anything. It could allow you to make take care, take better care of people.
You know, I'm sure. Yeah, can can we use the tech to do some social good? I'm all for.
Can you do some social good, right? Yeah, no, 100. I'm all about that.
And Razo has an idea about insurance that he likes. I just think about funding Web3 education
through staking rewards over time. And so, if we had like millions of ADA delegated to our pool,
then Obviously, like all of that data, could be then be used to create all the things that
we want to make and educational content and stuff like that. So, I do see
these these current influencers leaving the space, and I wonder if if the staking rewards
they were making with the millions that they had delegated, if that was it.
Doesn't matter to me because one of my accounts is definitely dedicated to DRNZ Stake Pool.
Let's go. Dreams, baby. Yup. DRNZ dreams. A lot. Take it. You're gonna have to talk over him.
He's drunk. At this point, I usually just boot him down to fucking listener because he won't stop.
But Look, the governance thing's been fucked up right from the beginning, guys.
I was involved in SIP sixteen ninety four. I helped with the workshop in Philly,
of all places—the same place our constitution was fucking written, and our government
was formed originally with nudes and so on and so forth. From that initial meeting,
I saw all of this fucking shit coming. I told Charles in Vegas twice
that this was all going to happen—that Charles would relinquish power to the uneducated population,
which is the problem. And that, then he would then take it fucking back because he doesn't see
that we're good custodians of this power. Dude, you're doing it again,
Gold Rush. Fuck! Stop. You know, but I'm telling you, like I'm still gonna.
Yo, you gotta control yourself a little bit more so we can actually have a nice conversation. Yeah,
I'm sorry. I'm getting angry, but I've got little patience for bullshit these days, especially
when it's just meant to drag us off into the weeds. Now I've lost my train of thought because of it,
and that's exactly what it does. But the reality is, governance. Let me hit your dog, Charles.
I was getting back to it. I don't need you to recap it, Gold Rush. You of all people, please don't.
Fuck. So the problem is with governance is we're not educated. We're not.
Fucking involved in this system, for the most part. There's a handful of people that are,
that are trying to rise to these senator seats, D reps, whatever you want to call it. Same shit,
because they think they're going to gain political power. But the reality of it is,
Charles will seize this power back, and he will control the chain because he had zero problem
with governance until someone told him no. Get your hand out of the cookie jar,
and then he had a problem with it. That's what's actually going on, and he will take it back
because he's got the power and the ability, and Amargo and Urrea's fucking partners to do it.
All of this shit is going to go down before they lose their ass. If they do,
and they'll only lose their ass if they genuinely pay back all the people that got screwed in
this deal, or that do get screwed in this deal, which I don't believe they actually will.
It's a nice thing to say right now. Yeah, yeah, we're going to make you whole.
How do you make me whole? You don't know who the fuck I am. So you chased me out of here
so that you could like promote the positive fucking, and then you gave all the negative shit. No,
I will speak in fucking my experiences, and I chased you out of here because you keep blathering
drunk shit over what I'm trying to say, and it's confusing not just to me
but to everyone else listening. It's been going on since the wallet conversation.
I'm gonna have a good night, dude. You guys have a good night as well. Later.
Do I hear you saying Adam Dean was saying? Well, he felt a certain way, I guess. I trust Charles.
How do you get? How do you guys feel about it? Never trust Charles. Period. End of the statement.
I don't know. He's never said anything I disagree with, or not that much. Okay,
so Charles Hoskinson is a vendor, uh, fucking CEO for the vendor of IOHK, right? Like he literally,
and he also started up a fucking concrete mechanism. They they shut shut down his own hospital that
he set up for his brother. So this man is fucking retarded. And never listen to the IOHK
fucking chuckles. Sorry, sorry, sorry about that. I had to remove Gold Rush is a little bit tipsy,
and he's talking a little bit of nonsense, using words that would be very offensive to people.
So let's not use those words too lightly or too loosely, and blame the alcohol.
We're better than that. So anyway, sorry that Flood had to go. I you know hadn't thought about
switching it up to that extent, but Gold Rush. Well, it sounded like Flod was more with Charles,
right? It sounded like Dean is. I don't know. Everyone's choosing sides now,
so this is where it gets interesting, which is bad in a lot of ways. It seems bad,
but it's also good to me because it tells me I like the infighting. I like the chaos. Ah, well, no,
I I think that this is where you know Flod. This is the point that I kind of wanted to to go back
and forth with Flod on. Um, it is that Charles now, let's say, trying to take back the power,
as he said, um. What does that look like? And so, okay, it's becoming a D rep,
and you know what exactly does that mean? If he gets consolidated vote from enough people
that he now controls a very important part of the vote, like that doesn't diminish what
the other groups have or people who will be grabbing bigger bags because they believe in
the ecosystem, right? So then, I think we we are in a situation where.
He wants you to have a a stake in the in the fight, you know, like a like a horse,
a dog in the fight. Like he wants. So when he talks about people going into the Discord,
kind of like what we have for the Midnight community, but when people go into the Discord
and we'll have access to him through through the new Discord and the new organization
or whatever for Cardano, then it is to have people who are in the fight, in the game.
You have you have some data in your possession, and that matters. That makes a difference.
So I I don't know beyond that how it'll go, or you know which votes will go yes
and which votes will go no. I think that's where being a D rep means that you must be interested
in those things, and you can kind of keep keep track of it, follow it like a senator would,
and and you're representing a community. So, so you asked how to do it.
You would just take 500 of your ADA, and you would go and create a staking ID as a D rep.
And you lock up those five hundred ADA for a determine until you're ready to basically retire as
a D rep. So kind of like staking locks up two ADA for the process.
Then then the D rep you have to pay five hundred ADA, and and then it becomes you you
you can then be a D rep and people can vote for you vote delegate their vote to you.
You give them your your voting ID. So mine, if you look at my profile, is is up at the top. Anyway,
I have a bit more Ada voting power than I do Ada, so I was like, "Oh man,
people have delegated their vote to me. That's kind of cool. Like just to to have
and be a part of the space, right? In that way, where people people are really living
shared governance, and that's really cool, in my opinion. Yeah. And then this is
where I was agreeing with Flod too. He was saying that it's kind of I don't really know
what's going on with the governance, and I'm a Cardano old school. Like I kind of get it,
but I don't really get it. Like I wish those elections were happening right there,
somewhere on my wallet, where I could see it visually, where I could see what we're actually voting
on, so that actually feels like we're. You know, like we're part of this thing, like voting thing.
We should be practicing voting. You know, well, well, that's just it. No, see, see,
I that is the level of participation that I am at with Cardano, and so I think
you really should join me in that. And I'm happy to walk you through any part of it that
you don't know. Because, like, right now, for example, look. Actually, you know what?
Let's do a quick like voting example here live. I'm going to go on gov tools, g o v dot t o o l s,
and this is the Cardano Gov tool for basically. For getting delegation
and getting getting an understanding of the proposals and the live voting that's happening,
and so I'm going to go right now to live voting, right? And so such things are currently
on the ballot here as withdraw four million nine hundred sixty nine two hundred thirty one ADA for
Cardano Enterprise adoption. So that's a treasury withdrawal that we can vote on. There is withdraw
one million six hundred eighty four with fifty ADA for TX Pipes Open API layer. Etc.
There's like a bunch. So you know, withdraw to make palace a thing. Withdraw for
for intersect 25 million ADA for intersect. There's one here for seven labs. About the actually,
this is the one that I was going to vote on in favor of. So look, let's read this one.
It's the seven labs dataless wallet maintenance and implementation. So it says abstract:
the treasury withdraw funds dataless wallet maintenance and improvements delivered by seven labs
Inc. Datalist is Cardano's only full node desktop wallet. It runs an embedded Cardano node
and derives all wallet and governance data directly from the chain, with no third-party APIs
or trusted backends. Because it participates in P2P networking and maintains its own local mempool,
Datalist transactions compete for block inclusion on equal footing with full node participants,
providing reliable submission even under high chain utilization, where light wallets can fail for
hours. So it's really been a good idea to have a Datalist wallet installed locally
and use it for any like minting and stuff like that. But you know, a lot of us just really have
mobile wallets instead, hot wallets instead. So this is for maintenance and infrastructure.
They are requesting. Let's see. I'm not going to read the whole thing
because I had already gone through it and decided that I was voting yes on it.
They're asking for 1,785,333 ADA, which will probably translate down to
a few hundred thousand dollars or whatever they're going to get it in. And yeah,
they're going to develop this this basically an update to the Datalist wallet that keeps it current
and maintains it. And you know, just seeing all this crazy wallet stuff, I'm like,
it it's important to go back and yeah, just just really strengthen those tools on Cardano
that have been secure and that provide sort of a way of transacting with Cardano more safely,
more securely, like more. Of having a full node wallet locally, and obviously,
the big joke is how long it takes for it to to a sync, right? Because the blockchain is huge,
so it takes out it takes days for some people. So I I don't actually have my Datalist running,
but I think if they start to find ways to make this very heavy wallet a little bit lighter,
then then that that might move us in a in a better direction where where we can run Datalist
as our main wallet, et cetera. Anyway. So I'm gonna vote yes on this, and I'm just giving you
an example. I currently have
one hundred thirteen thousand nine hundred eight hundred ninety five ADA as my voting power,
which is way fucking more ADA than I own myself. So clearly I have some delegation,
which is really nice. And shout out to anybody who's delegating your vote to me.
I think that's something that Razo here, Bad Money, would shine at. Is just like looking at these,
understanding what they're asking for, and then choosing which ones you want to vote for. So,
would you, Razo, as you stand right now, would you vote for this maintenance and improvement of
the Datalist Wallet? Yeah, anything that improves the the ecosystem, I'm for.
The only things that kind of bother me are, I wish I just want the funds to be spent on
like applications and DApps. I don't like when it's going to like YouTubers and stuff like that.
Well, well, because you're making content as a content creator, then you're also like,
wait a minute, we're all out here just doing our own thing, trying to market the chain
and trying to promote our own channels. So I think you're coming at it from a creator standpoint
that they, I think, devoted a lot of time to making videos and like running SPO nodes,
which I don't, I don't really, you know, whatever. We run the nodes, so we understand.
How much it costs to run one, and and just seeing the level of delegation that some of these people
were getting, I'm like, you must have bags of ADA. How how is this not enough
for you to just continue to? How how are you not in the green if despite the what 80 percent
drop down in price of the token? I guess so, that makes sense. I don't know, people are down bad,
and some stake pools are retiring, and so I'm looking over at my Nightforce community, saying, man,
if anybody's on Night but not yet on Cardano, then I want them to stake with DRMZ to join
our little community here and become a counter voice. For all of the fud that just surrounds Cardano
constantly, and that you're all well aware of, and and because of Cardano's association
with Midnight, right, as a partner chain, but also as as something that leverages Oraboros,
then people are always gonna gonna you know shit on it, or they're gonna like hate on it a bit,
or even now in this like post. Tribalist scenario we're supposed to be in,
like you could kind of see it. There's a little bit of disdain still for Cardano,
and I'm fine with it because we talked about where this is all going and the opportunity that's in
front of us. So Midnight, I think, is is just an entirely different beast
that we should talk about a little bit. Let's pivot in that direction since we have
some Midnight homies here in the space as well. And I'll kind of skim past Laos.
Are you familiar with Laos, Raza? Laos is the update. Yeah. What do you know about it?
We are faster. Yes, the the potential for speed has grown, and and shout out Musashi. I know Genki,
original co-host here of the ministry, would be very happy about the name of this Musashi Dojo.
So it went live June twenty third, and it's Cardano's next major throughput upgrade. So multi-phase.
It's in a test net phase, and and possibly main net later in twenty twenty six.
So it is in test net, and it's it's you know we've al we've always had really good security aside
from this wallet issue that we've been having right now. So I know that that.
That you're speaking about all that stuff and then saying we're very safe,
like in general Cardano is safe, but it's unfortunate that those involved with SecondFi
or Uroy have just have this headache. And so I hope Raza, you can figure your thing out.
But we've always been very decentralized, right? DRMZ is actually a node, like we've said before.
We'll maintain it. We'll make sure there's always at least one node supporting Cardano.
And and research, like we talked about, the research and the papers and all the academic work
that's there. And the main criticism has been speed. A little UX, yes, but mainly speed. And so,
Layeros answers that question about scalability. It just completely turns Cardano into a beast.
And when you look at things like Hydra as well, then you go, okay, Cardano is about to upgrade in
a major way. Throughput is going to go through the roof, or it's already looking more promising.
But it's not like we have the level of usage on the chain right now anyway that merits this like
crazy upgrade of the tech. Like those of us that have been around long enough remember the days of,
ironically enough, on Erooi. Sending your ADA away to an address to then receive your NFT, you know,
at some point, it's kind of like a hail mary. You're just like, fuck it, here it goes, send,
and then you just hope that you get something back. Or really early, early like NFT platforms
where you would get your stuff, like, like locked away, so, so, you know, you you couldn't, like,
you would send your ADA. Let's see, you were selling an NFT, you would send your ADA.
And it would just be stuck there in limbo until the person accepted it or not.
It's kind of like this this ongoing offer for your for your NFT.
But but like they sometimes wouldn't send for hours or like they. What if they just didn't send?
Like at some point you would get your ADA back too. But it was just the stress of waiting for
like did I get it? Did I not get it? Did it go through? Did it not go through? It was a weird time.
And Cardano's experience has drastically improved just based on like what we were saying about
the experience with Bodega and complete newbies yesterday. That right, like it was easy.
They were they were on board in two scans. Boom. And I don't know if there is a proof
of onboarding on the Midnight side, but I think that's something to look into.
A QR code scan that that downloads tokens right into your wallet. That's what what proof
of onboarding is for the Cardano side, and I think it would mirror something like Poaps
on the ETH side. I don't know if we have a Midnight version of that, so maybe I'll look into that
and start playing around there. But yeah, dude. So Layos makes us faster now. Midnight and Dust.
How much do you know about Dust? What's your What's your take on Dust? Dust just doesn't fluctuate,
right? And it's so like your people don't pay for it, and it it it gets destroyed over time,
or you gotta use it, or you lose it, kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. So so you're getting
you're getting it like you're stacking it like Vetho in the V chain ecosystem,
and it's just there growing alongside your night. Like at some point, you max out at the amount
of night that you hold, unless of course you get more night. But the point is,
we could hold a certain amount of night and just decide to kind of keep it in a vault, and then
as we stack up dust. Then I think the idea for us is that we're gonna try to power tools,
some academic tools and some social tools, engagement tools that will be built on Midnight
will be powered by Dust, and so we'll just kind of pay for our own apps that we run
because of our night holdings. And of course, you know that you can not just use it yourself,
but you can you can loan it, which is the interesting part. Because now I'm really excited
about the idea of going to let's say my my college, my community college that I work at, and saying,
hey, listen. I want to sponsor all student transactions on midnight for for students,
for them to use the chain and learn the chain, and and any technology that they build will power it
with our dust. You know, you don't have to hold night, you don't have to own anything.
We're just going to do it because we hold night, and we want to just give you this resource.
It's like energy, right? So, like that's super cool. That's an interesting concept that allows
you to just bring in really anybody. If you develop any tools that are powered by dust,
then you know you can connect those. Across ecosystems, it's really, it's really there is there's
whatever your imagination takes you, really. So you know me, I'm always thinking about
the college sort of setting and and education and how we can improve the student experience.
So I'm really looking forward to both Cardano and Midnight sort of making it easier
for people to build on them, and and I know that already. There's like MCPs.
There's definitely a Midnight MCP, a master. Um, fucking Claude, Master Coder,
Claude Midnight thing. Like, there's a lot of really good resources that everyone should go
and find. And you know, there's the Elite, Elite, which is like more people who are building stuff.
And then there's Build Club for maybe like you, Razo, since you want to create a wallet. Um,
go to Build Club and and start you know kind of working through it. And now there's
that Night Sky thing too, which is like a a a Development sort of arm for for businesses that are
a little bit more ahead, more more well formed already, right? You're not starting from scratch,
but you're like, no, we have some traction, we have clear market fit, etc. So there's
such great opportunities, man. Night is is awesome. I don't know if you've actually thought about
becoming an ambassador yourself, but I I think Haya and Midnight down there would very much agree
that it's a good idea to join. And there's really no downside to being a part of the Night Force.
Like you're already doing stuff out here with us. You're doing stuff on YouTube.
Like you're you could potentially become like a social media like midnight sort of lead if if you
if you link up with the the YouTubers and there's like a small click, dude,
of of the different groups that started with like Alpha and and Bravo,
and then right now we kind of just just got Charlie, and so people are kind of working up
these ranks. So I think there's gonna be six or seven levels. Anyway, it's super fun, dude.
You should join because you're already interested in all this, and I think you might really like
Build Club. And I don't always have time for it. I know you're always working full time too.
This is the the thing that we suffer with, right? Like we can only devote part time to the space
often between work when work allows. So summer for me is nice, so I can be a little more loose
with it. But I know I know you got a regular work schedule. And it's tough, man,
to be in this you know space full time, and there's really no monetary incentives
either because the market's down and Cardano's down, and staking rewards are down,
and you know it's it's been tough. So just having the vision of where Cardano we think
is still going to go, and where Midnight sort of takes Cardano in this zero knowledge conversation,
I'm excited. You know, I think. Well, I mean, what are your thoughts on that connection
and that relationship? How do you feel about does midnight and Cardano make sense to you? Like,
is it is it something that you question whether we needed it? Because some people have gone
and said, you know, why couldn't we build zero knowledge on Cardano? You know, no,
I've never doubted Cardano. You know me. When have you seen me iffy about it?
I feel like I go the hardest for Cardano. Even right now, when Charles was crying and shit,
I'm still like, what are you crying about, man? We got bigger problems here.
It's just the mathematics of it. And remember the first time I heard about Midnight,
I heard Charles do his little whiteboard thing. I was like, "Holy smokes!" Before he was even,
as soon as I understood the concept, he wasn't even done with his speech. I was already like,
"Holy shit!" Like that's exactly what we needed. I have no doubts about Cardano in in me.
I always been one of those people that see the future. You know, I'm sort of intuitive.
I see I see the world as it is now. I used to see it that way years ago,
and now everyone's talking about things that I was talking about years ago. But everyone's gonna,
we're gonna get to to a point where it's like, okay, we know that things are fucked up.
But what do we do about it? Like, there's nothing you can do about it. Like,
say something like the Epstein files. Even if we prove that they did it,
we see videos of all of them doing it. How are we going to stop them? Who's going to arrest them?
Like, there's no mechanism for that. And I think we need Cardano. So let's hope it survives.
And to me, the only things that make sense is like Bitcoin, Cardano, and Midnight. I really,
I don't. The only things are just things I trade. You know, it's the only way that I feel good
about making money. It's just it's going to be trading probably. But those are the only things that
I really care about. That I don't really want to leave those chains. I feel safe in those chains.
I feel like Cardano's at the next level of everything else. And most people crypto themselves
in crypto. People in crypto don't understand what midnight is or what Cardano is. Honestly,
they just see it as an Ethereum competitive that moves slow, that's slow,
and they don't know anything about the upgrades. They don't know anything about Hydra or Leos
or Dust. They don't know what the hell we're talking about. They don't know what we're talking about
when it comes to governance. I forgot we're there with the Constitution, but this is why I'm here,
and I'm not. I'm not here to make money from Cardano. I speak about it in my videos all the time
for free because I believe in it, and that's why I'm here. And I don't really care about
everyone's drama here in Cardano. Like, we're here to take over, man. We need new solutions. We need
new ideas. We need to empower people and offer them real solutions. It's stop.
It's time to stop acting like Ethereum. It's stop. It's time to stop acting like we're
just some other stupid blockchain out here. We're working towards something bigger.
And I like all the infighting. I like that chaos because that tells me that this is
a true democracy, that it's truly decentralized chain. There is no infighting in XRP.
You know what I'm saying? Is whatever they say is whatever goes. There's no, and I love this.
I like the refighting right now, and I would love to be in the politics side of it.
But there's no Cardona president, is it? Because I want that one. We're all the CEO.
If you hold Ada, you're the CEO of Ada. Yeah, but but but obviously, having more to vote with is
a powerful thing. So, how do you feel about Charles becoming a DRE? I think it's cool,
but I think I'm gonna take him over eventually, which is probably good for him. Hey, let's go.
No one knows me, but they all will know me. I know it sounds crazy, dude,
but I honestly i I created Cardano in my head before Cardano or Bitcoin had existed. So
when I learned what Cardano was, I was just like, "Holy shit!" Because I don't have the skills.
I'm not a programmer, right? It's just like in my mind, I create things all the time.
It's just overflow of ideas. I reinvented everything under the sun, you know, but for no reason.
I have a lot of dumb ideas, but Cardano was already one of them, and it's just like the foundation
to to a better civilization. It's like taking our world from playing Monopoly to all
of a sudden playing Fallout. I don't know about you, but I only played Monopoly like five times
in my lifetime because we all know how the game ends. Power concentrates. And each time it sucks.
Monopoly's cool when your mom's the bank. It's not so cool when you don't even know who's printing
your money from thin air. You know what I'm saying? And the whole point of Monopoly is
that power concentrates and the game ends. But now something like Cardano, we can go to Fallout.
Fallout's cool because it's an open world. There's caps. You gotta level up yourself.
You can change your gear. You're just becoming a better person, right? And that's how I see Cardano.
Even though Cardano people don't see it that way yet, that's how I see it. That's where we're going.
And this is just the beginning of all this shit. And I love it. And where does
where does your love for night come in in that picture? Because you mentioned Cardano, night,
and then BTC, obviously. Well, it just made sense because now we can have voting where I can vote.
It's private, but yet it's open source, right? No one needs to know it was me,
but it's right there on chain to be verified. Now I can have medical records, school records,
and I can send these records between different doctors, different schools. Like that just makes
total sense. There has to be a level of privacy. You don't want everything exposed.
It's just it just made sense. You can create so many depths now that we couldn't before.
That's why it's a fourth generation crypto. Bullish, bullish, bullish. Like you,
I think protecting data, FERPA compliance, things like that, are what make
this blockchain midnight partner chain to Cardano sort of work for me.
It's like you guys both give each other something, and you allow for the user to just have
a better experience overall. There's already like bridges being built between Cardano
and and Midnight. I just saw one recently. Some info popped up about. The homie who created
a bridge. I think it was from pond, Pandora, Pandora. No, something pond, something pond.
I'll look into it. But they, yeah, they made a bridge because they're they're moving
or they're building between Cardano and and Midnight. So seeing more of that is really exciting.
The Japan tour obviously like showed me that there's interest in zero knowledge. So yeah,
I think it's great that Cardano and mid and Midnight are so close. That we have
all these ambassadors that are kind of working hard, and I really feel like you would be
a great one. Yeah. And is there anything else like Midnight? Because I know there is
other zero knowledge proof chains, but it just seems like Midnight is at a different level.
Just with dust itself, right? Because you don't want the price fluctuating on your
on your you know on your privacy. That doesn't make any sense. So just that whole part of it,
I was just like, holy shit, that's like four D chess right there. Yeah,
it was really well thought out so that it could be an enduring thing that you know is is helpful
to the development and technology side. And and again, like V Chain has the V though, right?
So like it's a similar mechanism, except that that is something that you can spend,
and you can you can get rid of it, you can spend it, you can transact it.
Not with not with dust though. It just it just it's a resource. So it's it's detached from
the token. It's just a resource that you can give to people to power transactions.
So it's just a separate. It's a completely separate model. Completely separate tokenomics.
To what V Chain is doing, but I think that same spirit of generating passive gas while you hold
the token has been done before. And I think you're right that Charles and the Midnight Crew added
this additional factor that's really good. This this detachment from the token itself,
this secondary token that just allows for Dust to not be associated with with the price point
of Night. So you know, and Nights Nights took a dip, right? Do you want to do a little TA on Night?
And I know we sometimes talk price action, and I mean from where it started to where it's at now.
It hasn't really dropped too much. Flatline. Well, no, I I know that it it is down
and it's even down below where I first picked up Midnight. But I'm saying you know it's it's I'm
surprised that it's not down more just given the market conditions. And I'm kind of excited
that it does at some point hit a rebound spot, especially that it's a new token.
And we'll see just at least a pump back up to the the original price and then whatever price point
it goes to after that. So let me let me invite up Midnight Buds coming up. I like it.
Do we have buds on midnight already? Is this a thing? What up, bro? What's up? What's up?
I've I've just been listening. Pretty good. Pretty good conversation. Exactly,
exactly what I was looking for. Nice. What were you? How ya, man? Welcome to the space. Yeah,
definitely, definitely keeping an eye, keeping an eye on everything that's going on.
I I'm interested to see, in terms of price action, terms of price action. I I'm I'm wondering.
I think I think night night could outperform Ada. I might be crazy, but I think I think
it could certainly outperform Ada with just just how small it is right now. Um,
I've I've started to look at like other privacy networks and just kind of comparing comparing
what midnight has going on to to other solutions, and I I honestly think it's it seems to be
it seems to be a a pretty solid solution compared to other. To other options,
whether it be like Monero or or Litecoin has has some privacy stuff going on, but yeah,
it's it's certainly been quite the ride, and where we're at right now, dude.
I'm looking at the market cap of Midnight. It's like at five hundred nine million. It's so small.
It's it's nothing, and I'm with you, dude. Because remember, Cardano went from three cents
to three dollars last cycle. Well, the thing is, for me too, is. With midnight,
midnight being half half the supply of Cardano, and just how cheap just how cheap midnight is,
it almost even though if even though if ADA keeps dropping for a short amount of time,
I'll be I'm just for some reason I'm I'm more tempted to keep accumulating midnight.
Just just with how small, like you said, the 500 million market cap is is absolutely nothing. Yeah,
I've been stashing up stashing up midnight, and I'm with you too because remember how there's
no VC money behind midnight, and then on top of that, you had this glacier drop right,
so everyone's not getting their midnight right away. And I'm looking at the chart right now;
we're just like flatline, like we're dragging down. We're at the same price before like early May,
you know. We're like we're just going sideways. The glacier drop for most people is
about seventy five percent complete. So it seems to me that you know if if the people who hold
those large allocations from the Whether it be the redemptions or the scavenger mind,
if they were if they were going to dump, I would think they already would have.
Or or the bottom the bottom can't be far. I mean, I was kind of thinking the,
kind of thinking the lowest. I don't I don't see anything below like two cents, um.
Because I I have I have a feeling this market could turn around pretty rapidly. Just yeah,
I'm definitely. It's an interesting place we're at right now. Yeah, I've been doing all the TA.
I still think Bitcoin's gonna go kiss fifty thousand really quick, and I think
that's gonna be bottom, or maybe we're because I'm just waiting for a couple more things.
But we're like right there. But I can't see midnight dropping much further. Like,
who's dumping midnight? You know, doesn't make any sense. Well, I mean, TA wise,
like I'm just looking at at the charts right now for night versus ADA. And I'm like,
it doesn't look so bad. It's just kind of like going up and down between what the the high, which is
thirty three cents. It looks like is that three cents right now. What what was the high? Let me see.
It says eleven cents, twelve cents. Okay, okay. So then maybe this is in a different denomination
than I was thinking. But anyway, yeah, dude, it's the twenty one million.
The fact that it's half of Cardano's. The fact that at some point I imagine a situation
where you have to lock up some night for some reason, right? Where it almost it's almost like this:
wait, get the most night you can, so you can have the most dust to disperse with or dispense.
You could build an entire business off of that model, like powering other people's transactions.
You know, so I think there's something there to the value of the token just by itself,
and and being a new token, not really having a bull cycle yet. I'm just like, you know,
I think I think nights gonna be just fine. I think those of us that are in it early. Are gonna win.
I'm definitely stacking my own NFA, but we eventually wanna run a node for it,
so that way we don't have to purchase it all the time, right? Like it would be maybe running
the node, having a midnight validator, and just maybe rewarding you know Cardano delegators with
with some night and vice versa or something. I don't know.
Like we wanna definitely like integrate that into the ecosystem long term. Yeah, if I had to guess,
it goes as low as like two cents just by looking at my lines. And I would, I don't know.
I bought a bunch of Ada and some Midnight, the last drop. But I think I would have felt better
if I had a bunch of Midnight right now, to be honest. Just because of the the the chart looks great,
how it's flatline. That's exactly what you want to see before a pumpage. It's like you're saying,
right? Like this markets can turn any second now. We get one fat candle,
and everyone's attitude all of a sudden changes. And I don't think there's gonna be
there's not gonna be any coming back from this. It's gonna be like a crash. They're gonna sign
the Clarity Act or whatever, and then boom, we're off to the races. That's my guess.
But I don't know. You never know with these bottoms. It might drag for longer than we wanted to,
but I still think we're about to bottom. Even
if we drag sideways for a minute. I'm with you. I'm with you. Yeah, I'm feeling good.
Are you gonna buy more rug? Oh, rug left. Oh no! Sorry, I muted myself. My apologies. No,
I was looking right now at the price point, and I'm like, you know, I might just want to buy
some night. It looks like it's going. It's on its way back up. In some ways,
and it looks like the bottom. Am I looking at the wrong chart? Night and ADA, right?
Why does this look so different than that gutted red drop? Oh, you might be looking.
You might be looking at the ADA. If it's in ADA, the chart looks better. I'm looking at it on on
Trading View, night USDT. Alright. Yeah, if you if you look at a USD, it looks different compared to
looking at it in ADA because if. If it's in ADA, then it's you're going up,
like you're you're accumulating more ADA because because the ADA is dropping in price, right?
So night's probably stronger. So night USD or night USDC? Either one, but USDT is the one I do.
Night USDC. My chart is night USDT. Dot P. It's the Binance one. Night and tether basically. Yeah.
Okay. Okay, I see. I see. It's just flat lines. I see the drop from zero point
zero five was the high. Looks like. Right, and then now we're at point zero two nine, or no,
we're a little higher than that. We're at point zero three, but it dropped to what was the low?
It looks like like point two eight or so. Yeah, that was like one day though. One day,
I think it hit like two eight. Yeah, two nine. Yeah, I see that. So, so you guys think
it's gonna dip down to like the twenty range, two cents? I think it's if it drops tomorrow,
it's gonna hit this one line that's at like point zero two three. Okay, point zero two three. Dang.
That's quite a drop, man. Nah, it's not that bad. Oh no, I'm not saying it in a bad way.
I'm saying it like, damn, that's quite a drop for an opportunity to pick up more on the dip.
And it probably won't. If it does go, if it does go to that two range,
I don't think it'll be there for long. It might just kiss it, like like the the ones that
we've seen, just go down to. At least it will hit to retest the point two eight line.
Like it just kind of. Has to, it seems to me. I don't know enough about the TA,
but it seems like it always retests. I have all my predictions on my on my X. I posted a bunch
of altcoins and where the lineside thing's about to hit. If you're interested, go check that out.
Hell yeah! But I think we're bottoming out here. I'm still waiting for that fifty thousand dollars
Bitcoin, maybe eight hundred dollar Ethereum. I got all my predictions right there. XRP down to like
sixty five cents. Like that's what I'm saying. It's gonna get fun. Last call on crypto, right there.
Um, in my opinion, according to my lines, not my opinion, actually, it's just. Yeah, well, I mean,
it's it's a good moment for those who believe in the tech, and I think Midnight has done a great job
of like educating its community and getting us all involved in a variety of ways. Like,
you can be learning a lot right now if you just are open to it. So, I really like that
about the ecosystem, and everybody's hungry, bro. Everyone's like really eager to to grow
the conversation about zero knowledge and rational privacy and. I really like just the the attitude
of the Midnight Community. So shout out to everybody who's in the Midnight Community,
and if you're listening later on, like consider being an ambassador. Just join
and go through the selection process and interview process, and to see where you fit in
the ecosystem. It's it's much like on Cardano, you can join by being a D rep. Well,
over on Midnight, you can become an ambassador, a leader, someone who does regional stuff
or virtual, and Yeah, we can do what Razo said earlier, and like we don't need to fund
all these KOLs or influencers. We can provide information if and if we ourselves are creating it
because we enjoy it and we and we love it and we garner audience. Then that's that's good
for the chain, right? More exposure. So I'm down to play my role in that. Hell yeah. Um,
in in terms of like the top 100 on Coin Market Cap, um, when I when I look at like
Like let's say like Pi Coin, I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Pi Coin. It was like a mobile,
basically like a mobile, the first like currency that you could mine on like the App Store
or whatever. But when I see when I see something like Pi Coin at like 1.3 billion market cap,
I just absolutely, absolutely confident that that Midnight holds so much more like value,
value in like utility compared to something like that. I just I feel like the market
just hasn't priced in, has not priced in certain factors like that. Like I think, yeah,
definitely think midnight should. I mean, I would hope, hopefully, I mean, top, top thirty,
top twenty, is really where I want to see. Well, where's where's Zcash in valuation currently?
I'm I'm trying to pull some info up, but I I don't know if you guys have that info already.
It's at six point five six point five billion. I mean, it would at least like I think.
Be connected in some capacity to a portion of that because I know I know that there is people
building on Zcash and Midnight, so there will be ways of powering smart contracts
and things like that through Midnight on Zcash. At least, unless I'm mistaken,
I know that's out there. Maybe I should like look up a bit more more data on that.
I'm curious what puts Zcash higher market cap than something like Monero. Like Monero's,
Monero's right around six billion, and Zcash is right around six point five. I think,
from my understanding, Monero is just like fully private; like you can't see anything. It's
so it it gets maybe like a bad rap as like a token that can be used for shenanigans
and shady things. Zcash is a bit, I think, a bit more. Just doesn't carry as much of a label.
I think it kind of sold itself as more like a payment solution, or hey, just transact through us,
and you can do it with some privacy. But you know, the rational privacy that Midnight offers
is just so. Cool that you could select what will be verified, or sort of like hash information
and only only verify what needs to be. It's none of your business, right?
It's a. I like this idea of rational privacy, selective disclosure, and in in the academic landscape
that I'm actually like in day in day out, I'm like this is the solution to pretty much every issue
that anybody had with AI, and this whole idea of of you know sort of black box ecosystems
and things like like this is no. Let's let's be transparent, but let's use zero knowledge
where we can. And and yeah, I'm excited about some of the things that are building on Midnight.
I think it complements the Cardano community well because there is builders over here too,
and there is entrepreneurs, and there is people who just want to learn. But you know, I see more XRP
and Midnight, or if I had to say it's down the middle, then it's Cardano and XRP met in Midnight,
and that kind of feels like where we're bonding as we all come together through this new technology
that can give something to each chain. Yeah. Yeah, and remember, we look.
But any of the other privacy chains don't have smart contracts, right?
Like Seecash is like a private Bitcoin. Right, you can just transact Seecash itself. Gazer
and Monero is the same Dilio, right? Yes, so definitely. What other chains use zero proof knowledge?
I mean, there are chains that are developing it like natively or whatever. So,
I know Algorand is doing a lot of zk stuff. I think Solana has said that they're doing
some some zk stuff. Yeah, I mean, look, you are going to have you are going to have the attempt
to build zero knowledge into every blockchain that wants to compete. I think what's interesting
about Midnight is that it kind of tells you, if you want zero knowledge, we got that.
Now just plug in, right? Like connect to Midnight, right? Do things through Midnight.
That's at least like my understanding of it and how I think about it. It's something that can give
a power up to what already is there. So it can make Zcash better. It can make Monero have
smart contracts in some capacity. Once more, once more of the tentacles are kind of built out
right now. Right now, it's still in a federated network. Right now,
it's still like really like again. If if you're in Cardano for a long time, then you go oh oh oh.
This is the early Percy Shelley era, or oh oh now we've entered you know the the the Basho era.
Like this is phase one, and actually each phase had a Hawaiian name. I forgot what it is,
but This is like phase one. Is is all right? Baby steps here. Let's make sure this network is robust
and can survive, and is run by by very powerful validators, and then we decentralize out
to the community so that anybody can run their own node, etc. And and then you know you have more
of like what happened on Cardano with with decentralized pools in the in the thousands.
We have two thousand nine hundred nine hundred sixty, I think. Last I checked,
maybe it's a little lower because some people have retired recently. But but you know we we're
so early, the chains. Have only been around. I mean, less than a thousand epochs, right?
We we got on board with with DRMZ Epoch three hundred fourteen, and so now we've been in the space
longer as a stake pool than like blocks that had happened before we came around.
It's kind of a weird metric in my mind. I'm like, damn, we're kind of OGs. We're like Gen three,
you know? We weren't like OG Gen one, like we weren't right, you know? Who came after them?
I was that third wave of of stake pool operators, and anyway, so it's been an interesting journey,
man, here on Cardano. I I think it's cool that it led to some of the best adventures
that I've had in Web3, with Cardano fam or now with like Night fam, and and I'm looking forward
to more, man. I think. Yep. My bad friend, my bad friend, interrupting,
but something you mentioned earlier is I feel like I feel like really what Midnight offers
that's going to propel it, it's going to propel it forward, is
that like the the institutional level, like you mentioned earlier, like some of these privacy coins
like Monero or Zcash. It seems like they're mostly focused just on like private private payments
and that where where midnight midnight has at like the application level
or like the DAP level is more it has the institutional side which is like a whole
another whole another aspect that that there's really not there's really no other options in terms
of at the institutional level um yeah that's. That's really what interests me the most.
Whether I think like the best the best explanation Charles gave was like
whether it be like the healthcare industry or or something down that avenue. Yeah, or absolutely,
and and FERPA compliance for me just becomes something that I I can kind of associate to the privacy
of the of the medical space because you do have sort of this you have to protect student data
you have to make sure that you know in this like AI moment there was a pretty big movement for.
How do you protect student data from inputs and outputs when it comes to AI?
So should a teacher be uploading that content and and be using AI to to even like check it
in any capacity or whatever? So so things like that. Led naturally to like this whole idea
of well wait a minute what about like privacy and right to privacy
and and and obviously being labeled as an unethical user just just because so
so questions of identity and and your own ethos and I think you know that's where zero knowledge
could potentially prove that you were compliant without you having to give away all the information
like can you attest to something that it was done the way that it was that that that it was done
the way that it was supposed to be done with a contract a smart contract of some kind that's
just super interesting like that that's now More in the hands of of more people,
and and we haven't even gotten to the AI stuff yet. So like, we're building solutions now
where we bring this attestability and and rational privacy and zero knowledge tooling to anything
that requires real privacy, like student data and FERPA compliance and HIPAA for health
for health data. And in this like AI agent moment, you just imagine like all of that becomes data
to harvest and make use of and just grow the conversation. That's where the money is going to be,
right? So agents with wallets transacting for people. It's exciting, but a little.
It's also a little bit daunting, a little scary. Like, you know, I have Morpheus,
and he has a wallet already, so I know I know what it kind of looks like to have an agent
that can transact. And the fact that a non-dev and like non-coder person can like even say that,
and and and you know, we have the the proof is there in the pudding. Then it's crazy what type of
of a present we are in. Never mind where we'll be in the near future, as a lot of this gets
even simpler because people are building simplified tools. Sorry, what is Morpheus?
Morpheus is is our our DRMZ bot. So basically. When the the conversation started turning a few years
back from just basic LLMs and then sort of like advanced prompting into more workflows
and then eventually what became the agentic AI, then you know you could give it roles
and you can give it constraints and certain parameters, et cetera, like memory
and access to certain information. So I created using some like open source tools
like an early chatbot, right? So I called it Morpheus because our brand is dreams.
I thought the Lord of Dreams is a perfect character to sort of guide us through all
of these questions we have, and so that's kind of the the branding there.
But Morpheus then kind of became like my pet project, and I've just been building it on the side
using now Claude's SDK. At first, I was using the OpenAI AI SDK. I tried Eliza. I tried Crew AI.
I built it in a variety of ways, including inside. Just there's some there's some other tools
that have come out that are like browser agent creators or whatever. So ultimately,
I decided I just wanted to host it locally myself, and I and I trained it
and I built up a harness for it. And so now now what it can do, or now what its purpose is,
is it knows everything about Cardano. It knows everything about Midnight,
and I use it as an engagement tool when I do meetups or I want to teach people about any of this.
I know Midnight has their own, for example, that you can interact with
when you're taking the quizzes or when you're doing the Midnight Academy.
But this is Morpheus is our own composite of of a let's say like a Socratic mentor
and an expert in all these things that we hear in the space, or like you know the white papers
and the night papers and things like that. Yeah, dude. So it's kind of it's
kind of a fun side project now. But I've also built in like certain onboarding flows.
So like one of them is is when you come to our event if you don't have a wallet
then you you type into the the Telegram chat or Discord wherever you want to engage with the bot
you type in DRMZ initiate and it starts this flow where like it'll ask you for your name first
and then uh you know sort of walk you through either creating a wallet
or giving it a wallet you already have and then it just kind of verifying you
and potentially air dropping you NFTs or whatever I I'm working on parts of that still
but it's just kind of fun to see. It's it's it's kind of it's kind of like my Jarvis basically
like I I trust it with certain outputs in a way that's way more personal than you know
the the ChatGPT based models or even the high reasoning models because it just thinks the way that
I want it to think and it avoids responses that I wanted to avoid so it's kind of similar
to the MCPs and all these like other tools that are making building on Midnight easier my my goal
with the bot is is to have like a series of agents that all kind of work under Morpheus
to accomplish a variety of tasks. And and one of those like would be writing compact contracts,
maybe tagging up the the Midnight Expert or or some of these other tools that we have in the space
to just make these contracts and and and help out with all that. And there's a lot of ideas that
I have, but this is where I would devote like all the resources that come through staking.
Let's say. To do all this stuff because it's just a great mechanism for mining ADA,
and then we we don't really plan on selling any of it, but maybe borrow against the the ADA
so that we could pay for certain things, including including designing some of these tools
and some of these ideas, fleshing them out a bit more. So we're patient. We're just growing slowly,
little by little. But but big ideas, big dreams, and Morpheus was one of them. So next,
you will see Morpheus in a graphic novel, a comic that I'm working on with Boxlord,
who made the artwork for the Mallard Order. So it'll feature Morpheus walking my character,
like a sort of avatar of me, down well through the dream. I'll say it's it's very Dante's Inferno,
right? Virgil walking Dante through the through through the rungs of hell, but more the dream,
and it's Morpheus and myself, and it'll be very educational and super fun.
And we're gonna be at a Comic Con actually, so maybe we can end on this note.
We usually end at 8:30. We're pushing it a little bit extra today, but. During Comic Con,
we'll be doing some stuff out here with our homies, doing an event called Devotion
that will bring together card collectors and V friends and the SDNFT friends, maybe other locals,
and of course our DRMZ local brand. So we bring Cardano and Midnight Engagement
to the local community, and it's been good. Our meetup yesterday went well. We got more plan.
That's just straight Midnight. I'd love to do like some workshops, even like helping Razo set up
a Midnight wallet on 1 a.m. Or or whatever. We need, you know, like whatever we we have not covered,
and it's so new that we really haven't done much with midnight. So I know I want to create
more content. I think Razo and I are going to keep doing a show that we called
Blocks Against the Machine, which is a partnership between DRMZ and his Bad Money brand.
That would be like YouTube episodes and stuff we're going to be putting out.
I think he has some content from last night that will. Are you going to put that up on YouTube,
Razo? Yeah, I gotta go through it. So, I got some. I got you with Adam Dean.
I think I took some good videos. So I'll put a little something. Yeah, that that's dope.
So we want to do more of that. And again, if you if you want to support, just
if you're new to the Cardano side, or you're thinking about joining the Cardano side,
just remember we're out here kind of straddling both sides, and and we can help with both.
And we'd love to welcome more night fam to our Cardano stake pool, and vice versa. You know,
get get people who are in Cardano more into the night side of things. Show them
where the opportunities are as they pop up in our own view, and just educate, right?
Keep people informed. Let them know what's going on. Scary times right now with all this stuff
with the wallets. I'm glad we got to talk about it and really kind of break down the options.
And so that was kind of a little recap then of what we're doing. Shout out to those of you
that joined us. Just yesterday, and any of the previous events, and you know,
special shout out to Stand With Crypto. Special shout out to Solaris, and special shout out
to Adam Dean, who just has been ultimately supportive. Special shout out to Razo here, my co-host,
and just someone that I actually met in that very same way, IRL, just doing local events,
and now we're really good friends. And and it's it's just that's how crypto works.
I think you come for the tech and you stay for the community. And the community's down, man,
and and they're they're absent. They they need to be rallied and just reminded of good vibes.
So shout out to Midnight for that, for really bringing those positive vibes.
I think we can bring it into Cardano. I think yesterday's event is a good example of that. And more,
you know, onwards, man. We got that that devotion event in July. We got Rare Evo coming up.
I don't know if you guys are doing are going to that. Are you going to Rare Evo, Razo? No,
it's probably in August, right? When my kid is born. No, July, July twenty eighth
through the thirty first. So, if you want to go, I mean, I basically have an extra ticket
if you wanted it, and if you wanted to, yeah, if you wanted to share a room or whatever,
we could talk about it because we could still adapt the the registration.
I don't think my girl's coming. I don't think Chili's coming. So I think
it was just going to be me this time around. So if you can make it cool, if not,
obviously you got a kid coming, so I completely understand. Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna talk to Natalie about that. Yeah, yeah, I have a newborn. Ah, well, well,
the new the baby's due in August, right? Yeah, but I would love to come
and actually do some interviews this time. We really loved like a couple minutes
with Charles actually because last time I just told him about my hemorrhoids. Ah, yeah, right.
You got to redo that one and be like, "Hey, man, I'm the hemorrhoids guy,
but let's talk about some real stuff." Yeah, for sure. He made me nervous. Yeah, and you know what?
He's he's the same age as me, so it's kind of a weird like reality. You're like, man,
these people are not. Uh, they're just humans. They're just regular people,
but sometimes they seem bigger than life. Yeah, I would love to come. Let's figure that out.
And yeah, I think there's better days ahead. I truly believe that. I just think not just Cardano,
but I think there's one with little, little bit more pain. You know, how does Trump say?
A little more pain. Yeah. Well, well, well. Let's get your last word, and we'll toss it to the homie
Midnight, Midnight Buds. And I do still have a question about whether we have Midnight Buds or
Buds on Midnight, or if that is simply an aspiration of of having Buds on Midnight.
But a final word from from Midnight, and final word from Razo, and I'll close us out. Yeah,
simply an aspiration. But great, great conversation tonight. Glad I got to listen to it.
And I guess we'll see, we'll see everybody on the other side, and hope for the best. Hell yeah,
dude! And please come through any Sunday. We we skipped them for a few weeks because we've been
busy IRL stuff and family stuff. But I'm, you know, I'm gonna start posting ahead of time.
I'll probably have the Midnight folks post it in the Discord and stuff as an official place
where the Midnight community can meet. Because I know, I know the Telegram sort of works,
and I just feel like there should be more opportunities for even some of the recruits
and some new people into Midnight to just engage with those of us who are interested in the tech.
So, thanks for joining us, man, and please, please do come back. And we do other shows and stuff.
And you know, now that we're following each other, we can be in touch. Yeah,
and if you guys see Ada below eight cents, buy it. At least buy a hundred bucks for me. A
and make sure you stake that ADA with DRMZ, which means you have to move it away
from the central exchange where you probably bought it, like Coinbase, like moi,
and and send it to your personal wallet away from the centralized exchanges. You get in there,
you get out of there, and that's the way. Like Epoch likes to say, you treat them
like a public bathroom. I agree. I do hold some of my tokens there. I'm not going to lie,
but Just the ones that I'm not really like in into, you know. Like I'm just kind of flipping a few
here or there. I got a little, little this, a little that. None of your business. Rational privacy.
So, man, shout out to everybody who joined us. Thank you guys for listening.
If you're listening in later, we love you guys. We'll keep doing the show. 205 episodes in. I mean,
we've had Charles in here. We've had absolutely no one in here. And always,
we try to have a good conversation and just talk about things in a real way. And yeah,
that's what we're here for. So definitely, that if that resonates with you, pass it around.
Tell the homies the ministry is not dead. The ministry will endure. And let's go another
another well, episode three hundred, and then we'll see if we're still vibrant and energetic.
And even when we're not, fuck it, we're here. We're we're pulling our weight.
We're doing what we can, and we love you all. So, yeah, man, NFA. But if it goes sub ten cents,
I'm paying attention to Ada. You heard that two cent midnight would be cray cray. So, NFA,
do your own research. We know what we believe in, and yeah, man, stake dreams. Much love.
I'm not gonna do the chant normally. Relic does a chant, does a whole song honoring Cardano.
Let's just end on a note that says, I hope you have
a good week, and let's engage in the socials. Much love.
