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The App-First Approach: Gaming, Identity & Real Users
Recorded: Jan. 22, 2026 Duration: 0:44:45Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, the team delves into the strategic partnerships and innovative features of OntoWallet, highlighting its potential to disrupt the crypto landscape with unique identity solutions and gamified user experiences. As they gear up for a series of exciting launches, the focus remains on consumer-led development to drive growth and engagement in the Web3 ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. How are we doing everybody?
Hey, how are you?
I'm doing good, man.
Sorry about this last-minute situation.
But I didn't realize that I had been logged out from the Ontology account.
Guessing the password has changed and just was never relayed back to me.
Oh, so many things.
So many things, dude.
Honestly, I get locked out, lost out,
2FA'd out, everything out all the time.
All right.
Well, you know what?
We move on.
We keep growing.
Only up from here, as they say.
Always, always.
I'm just prepping.
Always up.
I'm just prepping for my wife's 49th birthday,
her birthday tomorrow.
So we're actually out and about doing stuff, getting ready for it.
So, yeah, it's exciting times as we move onwards and upwards.
And people, she's older than me, so she's getting older.
I hope she does not listen to the recordings of this or is anywhere near where you're at
because I would have broken a cup over your head
if you said that.
That's hilarious.
Well, anyways, always good to get older.
Definitely nothing wrong with that.
And also, I mean, happy 2026.
Is this our first space of the year?
It really is, right?
It's been a little bit of time getting back into the swing of things,
getting moving.
Yeah, so I think it is, and that seems weird.
So yeah, it's good to be back.
It's great to be back.
Great to hear your voice.
I know we had a lot of time to hang out last year going into DevConnect.
I think that was kind of like the real kind of big push at the end
of last year for us with some kind of appearances during DevConnect week. And then, of course,
doing kind of like an end of year recap, all of which I do want to make sure that at least I
capture some of that in the newsletter, my newsletter, of course, which used to get synced up to the Ontology blog.
So we'll definitely, I need to do that
because I know I have it recorded.
I have it transcribed.
I just need to put it up there.
I think, you know, it's so weird.
Christmas period is such a weird period
because everything goes to hell. because everything goes to hell.
Everything goes to hell. All the work, all my good intentions, everything.
It's a good thing for me. I just enjoy a lot of time with a lot of people and enjoy it.
And then I have to have a bit of a run up to get restarted again.
You know, you got me thinking with that. And I think that's why New Year's resolutions
exist, because people just literally fall apart at the end of the year. The resolution isn't to
do anything new or better. It's just, I need to get back to doing what I do. Exactly that. In fact,
actually, I'm going to steal that. That's going to be my New Year's resolution every year from
this year out, is I'm going to restart. I'm going to get moving again. I'm going to turn on the engine and actually get going.
Yeah. I mean, I honestly think that's why most New Year's resolutions fail,
when people try to be very aspirational. And it's like, I'm going to work out 300 days of the year
when you've never worked out ever. Or if you've worked out, let's say, 30 days out of the year,
maybe your New Year's resolution to the point that I just made is like, I'm just going to do that again because I need to
get back on it. Yeah, no, I totally agree. Totally agree. Well, I'm glad we're off to a great start.
Agree with one another as usual. I think you and I, i over the years have become probably more agreeable than we uh
may have been uh early in our careers together it's that mellowing of age come to you like
dude we're in a long-term relationship now like we are how it goes right this is this is that sort
of yeah we we know we know when stunned our ground but we we
also agree on lots of things it's the way it goes yeah well i mean let's let's let's kick it off then
about let's see we agree on on many things here but i know you and i have been on several calls
with the ontology team really kind of laying the foundation for what could potentially be kind of a big move for OntoWallet.
I actually don't even know if anything else
has gone out to talk about this.
So, you know, maybe Alpha Alert right here, right now.
And also maybe, sorry, Ontology team,
for sharing too much.
But, you know, I think OntoWallet is the move this year.
Yeah, absolutely. And I don't think anything has gone out. And I think we need to be really
clear on it. And I think we need to push it. And OntoWallet is the move this year. And I think
for lots of good reasons, which I'm sure we'll touch on.
Yeah. I mean, well, let's start with the fact that OntoWallet is probably the most
differentiated product in the market. And definitely, without a shadow of a doubt,
the most differentiated product in Ontology's suite of products.
Yeah, absolutely. And it's one of those in, you know, everything in crypto is new and fresh and everything is small.
And yet at the same time, everything feels crowded.
It feels crowded with blockchains.
It feels crowded with wallets.
It feels crowded with DeFi.
Everything feels crowded.
And yet we're still new.
And actually, there's lots of space for everybody.
It's like this contradiction.
And I think you're right in that Onto Wallet, because of the foundations Ontology have built within other products, whether it be Orange or OntID, has got this really important differentiation compared to other products out there as well.
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, and I mean, we talk about the blockchain space.
I mean, blockchains themselves are hardly innovative at this point. A lot of times they're just, you know, another EVM.
Or even if they are built on a different framework,
the service that they're providing is almost copy-paste
from tokenomics to, you know,
maybe even a staking mechanism or two.
It just feels like more of the same.
But when you look at Ontology and look at OntoWallet specifically,
it is built on top of this framework where you own your identity.
And probably more important, by the way, that's a very important thing to note,
but probably more important even than then, I think,
is the fact that you can take that identity anywhere.
If, first of all, is blockchain agnostic?
So the possibilities of implementation are endless for the most part.
And for the blockchain integration, it doesn't just have to work on one chain,
which seems to be still, I can't believe, I mean, I've been in this space,
I'm celebrating my 10th year.
Gosh, is it this year? I think towards the end of the year, it's going to be my 10th year in
this space of crypto. So I can't believe that in 10 years, we're still locking up our identities
to one network, whether it be the wallet that we created or even the decentralized social identities that we're creating,
which we can get into that in a little bit because I know the entire crypto Twitter is already abuzz with what's happening over on Farcaster.
We can get into that. I don't want to get into that too early.
But there is this idea that whatever product you're building, if you're building it on chain,
you're limited to Ethereum,
to Polygon, to Avalanche,
to, I mean, base even.
So I like this idea
that you can build a product
that doesn't care what blockchain you use.
I think the next hard step,
and I think this is really what Ontology is exploring,
is how do you make that ability to move across chains seamless
with this identity that is agnostic of what blockchain it lives in?
Thoughts there, Jeff?
Yeah, so I'm not quite 10 years.
I'm a little bit behind you on that.
But long enough, maybe six years, I think.
Long enough to have seen lots of different things go on and happen.
I actually think it's potentially not got any better.
And that seems like a weird thing to say.
Because I've used a variety of wallets.
I still use a variety of wallets, if I'm honest, depending on what I'm doing,
depending on which wallet is comfortable for me at the time.
And I'm actually amazed that actually some of the big hitters in the wallet space
still, right now, are EVM only.
That's where you're at.
If you're in this wallet, you are literally in the EVM space,
which is fine.
That's not really a criticism.
But one of the things Onto does do
is allow you to play with Solana as well,
and you can do various other things.
And that, I think, when you add reputation and identity to that,
becomes really, really important.
Because whilst EVMs have dominated, let's face it, they have, you'd be foolish to ignore Solana as a blockchain.
You just would be.
It's successful.
It's doing really, really well.
I think wallets have to move beyond just an EVM focus,
whether it be for identity, whether it be transactions,
whether it be De identity, whether it be transactions, whether it be
DeFi and so on.
And obviously, I'm saying that.
And that's where I think Onto sits really, really nicely.
Yeah, in some areas, we talk about us being fast moving and fast flowing.
In some areas, I don't know if that is the case.
I think people have become really comfortable with EVM.
And blockchain is a bigger space than EVM, despite the dominance of EVM.
Yeah, you know, I was trying to find right now the tweet that Vitalik sent,
I think if not yesterday, earlier today. But basically, he sees the value of these verticals like decentralized social
and understands the importance of moving, I guess, freely in this Web3 world.
And I might be extracting maybe more than what he intended from
this post. But, you know, this idea that like social is fluid, social, I mean, if you want to
look at traditional social, maybe you look like at platforms like Instagram and TikTok, they have They have this lockup.
And this includes locking people up to an experience on one blockchain.
Like, it should allow a user to freely access experiences across multiple chains.
a user to freely access experiences across multiple chains. And that just doesn't include
tokens, obviously, because that's what a wallet is for, but it includes so much more games even.
So I think it's really interesting, the timing of that post. It's really interesting to kind of
see the opportunities that are still ripe for the taking
for anybody who chooses to build with the decentralized primitives like DID.
Which, again, why Onto, while it has the position that it has,
is because Ontology developed on that primitive with OntoID.
So there's an opportunity there to continue to innovate.
And I mean, I would say Ontology,
even after Onti-D had been around for, gosh,
almost 10 years and OntoWallet for,
I want to say maybe four or five years,
the fact that it's still ahead in the race says a lot
for what the industry hasn't really done well.
Do you know, I always love these conversations.
So often it gives me a new thought on something I've already been working on.
So one of the things I've been working on over the last couple of days is onboarding people into crypto.
I still think this is a problem.
So it's a passion project for myself.
I'm looking at launching something that can onboard people
into the world of crypto from zero to one, if you like.
And so I've been doing the thing we've written so many times.
Nobody's written so many times.
And that's what's the difference between Web 1, Web 2, and Web 3.
And so what you've just been saying, Humpty, got me thinking about the differentiator, if you like, for Web 3 is own.
The idea that we own what we do, whether it be on socials, whether it be in DeFi, whatever it is, we own it.
And then your point really boils down to the fact that if we are trapped, if we are stuck, if we can't move what we do, if we can't skip between different sites, different socials, different games, different wallets, different blockchains, what do we actually own in reality?
And yet when we talk about Web3 101 to people, the big differentiator we sell to them is you own your stuff.
And so we've got to be better at that because that's what we're telling people they're getting into Web 3.4, right?
So we have to be good at that.
Yeah.
I mean, look, I don't know how many verticals crypto will disrupt.
Because, I mean, we've been at this game since 2008, you know, with Bitcoin, and 2016 with Ethereum.
And many, many more chains since then.
I think maybe in the last two to three years, it's been a more, maybe even more recently, one to two years,
they've been a concerted effort to create more consumer experiences, which I think that's huge, massively
important, especially if crypto is to disrupt traditional kind of technologies or the financial
system even. I think we need to create things that are more accessible to everyday users.
With that said, I don't know which of those verticals is going to,
which of these verticals, because I think it's going to be more than one, that is going to win.
But I think that we need to consider the consumer needs and challenges and kind of the things that
they're trying to solve. And I mean, when it comes
to social, I mean, I'm a creator first, I would say I've become a creator for the last three,
four years, I've slowly transitioned into this persona, personality across multiple social
platforms, you know, to create my voice, to be able to share information, to be able to advocate
for things I believe in. But I hate the fact that none of what I post on these platforms is
something that I own. And probably worse even, the information that I share on these platforms,
because I don't own it, because I'm posting it freely
with no kind of ownership over it,
these platforms can then take it
and even train their own LLMs, for instance,
which just is one of many different things
that really sucks in the social space now.
And as a consumer of these social platforms,
when I find creators that I enjoy watching their content
or reading what they're writing,
there's no way for me to actually signal
the fact that I am a huge fan,
aside from maybe only fans,
but I'm not signed up,
so I couldn't tell you if that would work for me.
I love the backtrack but yeah it's hard
go look me up I'm not on there man
it's just you it's just you sat on the screen
explaining DID to people and create their economy
to be honest I've always said if I created an OnlyFans channel
it's going to be my toes. And maybe my toes can do some cool DID training videos on what Decentral's identity
means. And like this little piggy went to get his self-sovereign identity.
There we go. I think we'll get a videographer on there straight away. It's not me, but somebody will volunteer, I'm sure.
But look, in all seriousness, I think this is really important.
And just coming back to this idea of how many verticals will disrupt
and how many verticals will go,
and whilst linking that up to the amount of time we've been in this space,
gets a little bit tiresome to hear people
keep saying we're early still, we're still early, we're still doing this. I mean, we should be
maturing by now, we should have a bit of a mature industry. And I think, if I'm honest, I think we
do. I think we are seeing some maturity in the Web3 space. And again, just thinking about what you were just saying and
thinking about what I was working on today is we forget somehow, sometimes how beautiful the web
browser is, right? Especially younger people. My sons don't use web browsers very much. They use
apps and they just download an app, they use an app app but the web browser is a thing of beauty
it opens up the entire internet to you and we have the ability to put www.in and and we can
explore things with names and easily find things and get on and and we can find great things and
not so great things and i think for quite a long time,
I'm going to bring us back to wallets here,
for quite a long time,
that's been quite hard for Web3,
that exploration, that discovery,
that being able to just get something up and maneuver.
You don't just open Google and easily find all these things.
You can, of course, but you don't just easily find them.
And you don't always easily connect your wallet. There's browser extensions and various other
things. And one of the things I think I've been seeing over the last year with Base releasing
their app, Onto Wallet, what we're're doing there and various other wallets doing different things.
It's actually Wallet's becoming the browser experience for crypto, for Web3.
And I wonder if that is what we need to really work on in terms of maturity
to make it easy to find things, too easy to interact with things.
Because our keys and our wallets and our addresses
are all those things that enable us to do stuff and i just wonder if that's been the missing piece
in terms of how easy that is to do we've gone from paper wallets to um you know just different
keys written down to hardware to mobile phones to Solana,
even doing literally mobile phones and so on.
And it's that discovery piece, I think,
is what, for me, makes Wallet's really exciting moving forward.
I don't know if that makes fully sense
because I'm just thinking about it as I'm talking.
No, man, 100%.
By the way, anybody in the audience,
I know I'm not the host today,
so I'm not seeing people are coming through,
raising their hand.
And apologies next week, we'll do better.
Or not next week, we'll see.
Because by the way, also update,
we're wanting to have these conversations
be more impactful rather than frequent.
But I'd love to hear your thoughts
if you agree with that.
Please come up and speak with us.
Otherwise, me and Jeff, we can keep going. This
is not a problem. But I'd love to hear your thoughts. As we continue to speak here, what
are your thoughts about weekly versus either bi-weekly or bi-monthly or whatever? I forget
always what means every other week. Or maybe I should say every other week or even monthly.
To give you really dense conversations with, yeah,
thanks, Jeff, for laughing.
I mean, I'm laughing at myself too.
I sometimes make the English language much harder than it has to be.
But yeah, I mean, I think even like a monthly update with, you know, really heavy conversations
about everything that's happening and give you real updates about some of the things
that Ontology is building more so in the direction of what we've already been talking about with
OntoWallet. Okay, with that said, I totally follow what you're saying. This is something that
I encountered a product for the first time where I saw it actually aligning with what you've just described.
And maybe actually rewind a bit, Brave Browser, to some degree, enables a Web3 experience
through that browser, which I think the browser, I mean, it's as old as time, or the internet
time, that is, that it's been our primary way of exploring the
internet and everything from looking at a website to, you know, purchasing things online to, you
know, sharing status updates with our friends, streaming video, etc, etc. Like that's what the
web browser does. And it gives us a window into this wide
world that is the internet. Now, this product that I saw was at DevCon in Thailand two years ago.
And it was being built pretty much following the same idea that Brave started, but just
ended too early. Because I feel like Brave did the integration,
but they didn't really add any other functionality that enabled it to be a browser
for what we know to be Web1 and Web2, but also to browse Web3. Think about it as, and I think
about it, I'll tell you how I think about this. I think about this as a Tor browser. A Tor browser lets you look into a bigger part of the web that normal browsers do not.
Why? Because normal browsers only show you what's being indexed and basically your permission to see
online. But there's a much bigger part of the web that's hidden from us.
Because a lot of that, usually, I'm not saying all of it, but at least some of it, maybe
is a better word, has to do with things that would be considered not legal, right?
So a Tor browser opens up a brand new internet for you.
For me, what Rave could have been been and this new product, and I wish I
remember the name of it, I'll look it up in a moment, but they were creating a browser that
basically acted as a Tor browser. It wasn't, but in that same vein or functionality that
it gave you a whole new visibility into the Web3 space, where you
now are able to see and find, easily find, blockchain apps, trading apps, for instance,
maybe even decentralized social in a way that was not visible if you were simply trying to do a
Google search on your traditional browser through the internet to discover something.
And because of that visibility, or to serve that visibility, this browser also was creating an integrated experience where you could just start trading.
You could just start posting on chain your content,
right? If it was a social app, for instance, without having to force the user into installing
a wallet, for instance, because all that was built in. I guess that's in the same vein or
response to what you were talking about, Jeff, I think. 100%, 100 that that exploration bit and i'd actually go further as
well as to say let me give you an example here so i i love merkel i think the merkel side for
opportunities for rewards and doing stuff is really cool i think he's really well put together
um but my god you do not want to get involved in that stuff if you don't know what you're doing.
They don't curate very well.
There's all sorts of things on there.
You will lose money if you're not careful, right?
That's just a fact.
And I think this is part of the problem we have still in Web3
with when we are curating this, let's call it the browser experience,
is that it's not very well curated.
And as a user coming into the space, how do you do that? So permissionless, great. Don't trust,
verify, great. That's really hard, right? That's really, really tough. And even now, you know,
if you spend any time on crypto Twitter, you will see people who've been in this space a long time
get wallets drained, get hacked, get all sorts of things gone.
We need, you know, you like your little padlock symbol
in the top corner of your web browser
when you go on a website that tells you this is secure.
It's almost like we need something similar to this
where there's no guarantees.
There shouldn't's no guarantees.
There shouldn't be any guarantees.
The beautiful thing about Web3 and crypto is you are your own guarantee.
You get this right.
But we could have some advice.
We could have something on there.
And so I think what you're talking about
is absolutely right,
that that's such an experience of going in.
But to take your tour experience,
we don't want to end up on those dodgy sites, right? We don't want to end up, say, with sort of experience of going in. But to take your tour experience, we don't want to end up on those dodgy sites, right?
We don't want to end up, say, with photos of me saying
Jeff tried to book a ticket to Epstein Island,
you know, accidentally thinking he was going on holiday there.
We don't want that.
And so how do you give people the access?
I always thought that that ticket was for Einstein Island
when it was founded on the tour browser.
I thought that's what you thought you were going to. Exactly. I thought I was just
hanging out with all the scientists, man. That's it. I'm doing some quantum
stuff. It's tough.
It's tough. How do we keep people having ownership and
that freedom that we really do value in this space whilst having some sort of
curation to make sure that people stay safe
and stay using things where,
even if they fail,
at least the people building them
as the best of intentions.
Yeah.
Now, I'd like for us to,
if it's okay with you, Jeff,
to bring it back to OntoWallet, right?
Because I think that this is something that is in the purview.
These conversations are in the purview of Ontology and, of course, ourselves,
who are, I guess I would say to some degree, stewarding this possible future with OntoWallet.
I'll add that I'm grateful that Ontology continues to trust us
to be able to bring these ideas and maybe more importantly,
these conversations that are happening in real time
across the ecosystem back to them
so that they can increase their focus
in delivering a product that serves,
basically serves a community of people that care about it,
but also solves a real problem.
So I do want to recognize Ontology for that
because I think that's definitely worthy of recognition.
With that said,
I want to talk about some of the things that we're talking about.
Again, I may be giving alpha here,
but also recognize that a lot of these are still conversations. And so if it doesn't end up happening, you know, maybe for
one reason or another, it did or didn't. But you are part of this conversation. I want these spaces
to make sure that they're giving you a glimpse as to what's happening in real time, you know,
with the products that are being built.
And if you have feedback, probably more importantly, why this is valuable is if you have feedback,
please, please share that feedback. Because at this very early stage, you have an opportunity
to make an impact in the way that these products get built, right? So going back to Onto Wallet,
built, right? So going back to OntoWallet, the conversation at least that I've introduced,
and I think really was in response to some of the conversations that were already happening
at Ontology, is that a lot of these products that Ontology has built, while really great,
appear to present a fractured ecosystem.
You know, whether we are talking to the public about ONCE-ID, or we are talking to the public
about Orange Protocol, all of these products, and even like a beta product I don't think
ever launched, but was being tested internally, all of these products were presenting solutions independent from kind of the mission, or not even the mission, but the way that Ontology was, in other words, the product vision that it had for itself.
So the answer, I think, was staring us right in the face. What is one product that incorporates all of these things that Ontology
has built in one app? From identity to, I'll say to some degree, smart agents to reputation building,
that's OntoWallet. OntoWallet has OntID built into it, meaning you create a wallet and identity is generated for you.
What do we do with that identity?
Which, by the way, is a big Jeff thing.
So, you know, Jeff's always like, what do we do with it?
What do we do with it?
And I love that because I think it's important to talk about like, yeah, you built that.
What do people do with it?
Like after they've done that one thing, what do they do next?
Like we need to be able to design a flow or a functionality for
the users who are using these products. So with that identity, which is implemented across,
you know, nearly a dozen blockchains, how can we enable a experience for the user to
leverage that to build up not just their reputation or humanity score, if you will,
but more importantly, to have fun, play games, trade, whatever your interest is,
Onto Wallet should present that opportunity to you off the bat in that wallet without having to
switch chains, right? And so that's kind of what the conversation is.
How can OntoWallet with DID or OntID allow for a more fun experience that is seamless
across chains, which then can allow you to capture maximum value from using the app,
but also maximum value from interacting with all of these different applications
that are built or accessible through Onto.
So then from there, there's some gamification ideas that I've introduced, which are going to be tracked via leaderboard
so that based on the activity that you have,
not only can you earn by using these apps,
but you can earn by being regularly active on Onto
through your use of these apps.
So really big picture there,
kind of like how Onto Wallet is becoming this window into Web3, right?
But at the same time, doing so in a way that is seamless,
which I think that's probably the key word to take away.
It's like it needs to be seamless.
If I have to like switch chains,
if I have to sign a transaction, it's not seamless, especially if we're looking
at it from a consumer perspective. Jeff, I think I've said a lot. Maybe more than I should.
Good stuff, though. No, no, no. I love it. I love it. And just to really push on that as well is,
like last year, when I was looking at the roadmap and communicating the roadmap and working with the
team on how we pushed that forward
and we had all those communications,
one of the big things I pushed on there was this idea
that we needed more unity between the products we had,
whether it be OntID, OntoWally, Orange Protocol,
the Ontology blockchain, the EVM, and things like this.
And I'm a big believer that things are always iterative.
The big leaps we see are never big leaps. They're just the culmination of something that is
iteratively worked on year upon year upon year until it looks like a big leap to everybody else.
I think we've been working towards this for a long time now. And the obvious solution,
this for a long time now and the obvious solution um which you were framed quite beautifully in in
that statement there is that everything lives inside onto a wallet that's that's been staring
us in the face for such a long time but everything's obvious in hindsight everything's obvious
when you look back and i think we've been iteratively working, that's easy to say, isn't it? Iteratively working towards that for a while now.
And now I think the right move is to say,
let me rewind a little bit.
Think about the conversations we've had
for the last two years.
Think about the conversations we had in Brussels
when we spoke in Brussels together.
The idea that consumer apps,
consumer-led development, consumer-led approaches are the way to deliver on all of these things.
It's the way to deliver on identity.
It's the way to deliver on reputation.
It's just the way that it will work when we improve the life of consumers, when we develop consumer apps that work.
OntoWallet is a consumer app.
We can improve it.
We can get different things going on.
We can give up different opportunities.
And, you know, I remember the guy from you
talking about the idea that Web3 should be a little bit weird as well.
You should get those opportunities to do weird stuff.
I absolutely agree with that sentiment as well.
And I think that's what we're looking at now.
We're looking at bringing all those things together,
all those things we've built,
all those things we've developed,
all those things we've spoken about
and saying, do you know what?
Infrastructure's great,
but we need to produce something people can use
and have fun with.
And I love the phrasing you used on there
because that's why I'm in Web3, because I have fun with it. I have a lot of fun with. And I love the phrasing you used on there because that's why I'm in Web3,
because I have fun with it.
I have a lot of fun with it.
Even to the point where I spent hundreds and hundreds
pushing thousands of dollars in gas fees at times
back in the day when gas cost that much
to have fun with things.
It's really important to the users, I think.
Yeah, let's make it fun or let's keep it fun.
Also, I know I queried people about commenting weekly
or monthly or maybe some other cadence.
Also, do you want to see us on video?
I know Jeff and I talked about bringing this to video.
We didn't do it this time around,
but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Like I know video performs a little bit better here on X.
I don't mind.
In fact, I have a microphone sitting in front of me
that I haven't used in almost a year.
I'd love to be able to use it again.
So let us know if you want to have this series be in video
that way we can go ahead and program it accordingly
you're welcome to just comment in the thread below of this space
with your thoughts about that
do give us a heads up though because I'm getting old
so I need a makeup artist ready to put some blusher on and maybe iron out some of their wrinkles, something like that.
Yep.
Awesome.
So, Keith Humpty looks young.
You know, I've seen him in the flesh.
My eyes aren't very good, so I only see him in low definition.
But he still looks young, right?
But he still looks young, right?
I appreciate that, that you think that.
But yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day,
I think these are interesting opportunities.
Like I said, we are still ahead
when it comes to the product that is OntoWallet.
We are still ahead even in DID.
In my opinion, there should be no excuse for onto wallet not
kind of winning in the space of wallet infra, but also potentially even social infra.
If we're able to connect the individuals who have these identities on these platforms
through gamification even.
There should be no reason why social
is out of reach for Onto Wallet.
I know I mentioned smart agents
and I know that the team was working on
some AI technology in the background.
For me, even as a wallet,
to be able to provide a service to onto users
where they could copy trades,
you know, that an AI or an AI sees what they're usually interested in
and then create a trading strategy for them.
Obviously, you know, it's on you if this bot goes and does things
because you're going to fund it with, you know, some ETH or some ONT
and then have it go and trade in hopefully the most optimal way for you.
I think these are all things that are basic stakes
as wallets, you know, kind of evolve with identity, with, you know, with AI, and with an underlying social layer too.
So I think gamification comes much more easily if you consider those three things.
Yeah, and gamification drives us in everything we do
in so many respects.
I mean, it's become the norm.
I grew up with a ZX Spectrum in the 80s in the UK.
I don't know how many people had the Spectrums.
Big UK computer.
And I was one of the first gamers and it was weird
uh people thought us gamers were weird and now we gamify everything we gamify learning we gamify
business we gamify finance and all these different things and it works because it it puts to that
human psyche of what actually works and a couple things i want to pick up on what Humpty said on here is, one, do let us know if you want to see a video.
It's not a big deal for us to do.
I think it's probably more engaging.
You get to see us.
You get to know us a little bit better.
I think it's really good.
The second thing he's touched on a couple of times is this idea of we are building out the wallet in a certain way.
We are doing certain things to allow people to explore,
to discover what's out there in Web3,
to have fun and to do things.
I still think one of the biggest advantages we've got
is that we're not just EVM.
We can do things across different chains as well.
But also, you get great access with Ontology.
You can literally DM me or Hum humpty you can dm us your
messages and do these things and actually tell us what you want to see tell us what is important to
you um games are coming to the onto wallet that's me dropping some alpha they will be there sooner
rather than later there'll be more announcements and there'll be more media on that coming up soon. And they will allow you
and actively encourage you to explore
the wider Web3 ecosystem.
And I think that's really important
because that's what we all want to do.
That's what we all want to see.
I have no idea if that was relevant
to what you were just saying, Humpty.
Pick me back into the line if you need to.
Always in line, my friend.
Always keeps the conversation moving forward.
With that said, we're almost at the top of the hour.
I don't know.
Like, I feel this is a good New Year space.
This is a good introduction to what these spaces can become.
Obviously, I'd like to hear more feedback from those of you who are listening.
Either comment here in the chat or DM us.
My DMs are open, I'm pretty sure.
And next time, too, we'll make sure that Jeff can join from his personal account
and we'll have the brand accounts also leading the space here
with Ontology and OntoWallet,
because we did have a bit of a technical difficulty this time around. Anything we missed, Jeff, do you think we need to hit on this time to kind of
maybe get us ready for success on the next one? No, I think we're all good. You know what,
everybody's listening. If you've not used OntoWallet, if you've not tried it, give it a
download. You can, even on the mobile app now, you can hook it up with your hardware wallets as well
and do those things.
Have a look.
We're going to be pushing
lots of campaigns,
lots of games,
lots of different things
going through there.
If you want to be first,
get it downloaded,
get it working.
We are now pushing
consumer-led development
and consumer-led marketing.
I think it's going to be huge.
I think it's going to make
a big difference.
Looking forward to doing it.
Looking forward to more conversations around it.
Yeah.
And if you do, thanks Jeff for that CTA.
If you do end up downloading OntoWallet, take a picture of it.
Tweet it out.
Tag all of our accounts.
Ontology, OntoWallet, mine.
We'll make sure to retweet it.
We want to recognize those individuals who are listening
and following through on some of the conversation
that we're having here.
Because again, that tells us that's a measure of success
of the conversations that we're having.
So thank you so much, everybody.
I appreciate you joining us.
As usual, I see a lot of familiar and friendly faces in the audience.
You guys rock.
We'll see you next time.
Cheers, Humpty.
Have a great day, everybody.
Enjoy your weekend that's coming up,
and we'll see you either next week or the week after,
depending on the scheduling we decide on.
All right, take care.
Bye-bye. scheduling we decide on all right take care bye
