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Web3 Weekend Review + week ahead on Coffee with Captain @dGenNetwork
Recorded: Oct. 17, 2022 Duration: 2:40:25Space Recording
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GM, GM. GM, how's it going?
It's going well. Good weekend. Flew by. Sp spent all day saturday play a volleyball tournament and uh
all day yesterday watching football that was pretty much my weekend
hung some art ordered some art saw that i am not ordering my uh um cloud machines none of my cloud
machines i i i did not run very pure in the mint or i bought aftermarket
so it didn't matter um i sold one of them just set up basically for a tax lost harvest and then
the other ones i i wasn't over the moon about or it's not something i would necessarily print out
and put on my wall um so i i debated i was actually looking at some of the ones and i you go almost to
point one before i see ones that i'm like all right i think i would want to hang that So I debated, I was actually looking at some of the ones and I, you go almost to 0.1 before
I see ones that I'm like, all right, I think I would want to hang that.
So I'm probably out, um, out on that.
The one of, one of mine, uh, one of mine comes with a vinyl.
I think that's, this would be my first, uh, I mean, I really have other than merch, I
have very little physicals that, that tie to as much as i we've
talked about it i i really have very little i have my punks comic and uh uh you know the uh
you know the gabe weiss uh one of one from vcon we've talked about i've got the uh the the framed
print from crypto painters i threw out over the the weekend and I think that it's like hats and hoodies.
Other than that,
I'm a,
I'm a,
I have a,
my share of,
of physicals.
I obviously have,
I mean,
I'm looking at a few right now,
so I've got my skateboard from board API club,
my rolling stone,
my gutter cat gang,
comic,
my plushy Curtis from the mobile game.
I did get two of the last Rolling Stone,
but I still have those boxed up.
I've forgotten about those until you said that.
I didn't get the original ones,
but I got the second generation.
I should frame those.
Yeah, the originals are good.
I have my Board of Yacht Club basketball.
What did this go for?
Do you have any idea?
I feel like that'd be a good thing to buy low on,
buy the dip on some of these collectibles
that normally I would never...
The original Rolling Stone, it's not going to be worth on buy the dip on some of these collectibles that oh the rolling stone would never the roll original rolling stone you're not gonna it's not gonna be worth the
buy at the moment i would give it a little longer even yeah it's still i mean i checked the other
day i want to say it's still like 500 600 700 i mean it's it's up there um so i'd probably hold
off on that one because i think i mean i was thinking i was like debating if i would go to
like 50 or still 500 i will uh wait yeah so you probably want to hold off on those i think the original is
100 um well part of my easy to hold off i just don't have the the space right now my setup is
not optimal for more stuff on the wall so it just like it'd go in a box somewhere even if i get it
so well that's and that's the thing i started hanging on my wall so if you look at my wall
just describe my wall uh left to right on the on and i's, and that's the thing. I started hanging on my wall. So if you look at my wall, just describe my wall left to right on the,
and I'm still like working on the setup.
I have a few more things to do.
Mutant Ape,
Yacht Club poster,
and Gutter City News from the Gutter City party.
It was cool.
It was like a newspaper type thing that they had there.
Then you got my shelf,
which has my skateboard,
some hats,
doodles,
vinyl,
which is amazing. The doodles sort of like figurines, whichodles, vinyl, which is amazing.
The doodles sort of like figurines, which are big and thick and good quality.
Board Ape Rolling Stone, Curtis from the mobile game, Gutter Cat Gang, the shiny comic one
of the hollow is what I was looking for.
The physical from Gollum's Guards that they make of my ape.
The Board Ape Yacht Club Basketball, a jenkins notebook the house plant lighter on
golem's guard so bad i need to get my physical that and i still have not redeemed my chest set
steve i'm so bad i try i i need to actually reach out because i i redeem my chest set but it hasn't
shipped yet um i've got the lighter out there that morgan got us the house plant lighter forever ago
um a uh a uh board ape yacht club board eight football club uh little mini
helmet uh some some doodles speaking of we got an airdrop from fan-controlled football in around 21
you reminded me of yeah so that one is um that one's you got a decision to make so here's here's
what that is so and i do have the OG basketball that,
that is,
that's boxed up.
It's not on display.
This is what I need.
I feel like the bookcase is becoming almost a prerequisite to,
to have any office,
like a real web three office.
Next zoom call.
Look at my,
look at my background because I got,
and paid because I've got like the bookcase with all this stuff up.
I've got the eight fest 2021 poster off,
which I know you've got a napkin in.
I've got the punks comics hung up as well. Tomorrow coffee chris goes to ikea the um i gotta still do i've got
like a whole bunch of nifty slabs hung up and uh a gutter cat gang plushy from uh from uh from the
so so anyway i could go on i still need to hang a few other things i've got to uh frame all four
ape fest posters from this year those are going to go on the wall.
And then the Gabe Weiss.
And I'm probably going to hang up a show to your piece of art that I really like that I got made into a physical, printed out into a physical.
So my NFT physical wall stuff is growing.
That doesn't count the new Rolling Stone stuff and some other stuff I haven't hung.
And I'm trying to find a good place for some of my badges that I've gotten,
like the ones that you used to scan into places. So anyway, we'll see,
but, um, but no, the physical board of the physical football. So I was, I was going back and forth on this. So obviously I love fan controlled football and, um, you know, part
ambassador and part owner of the board, a football, uh, yacht club, football club team. Um,
BAFC, I, I, I own some gutter cat gang ballers and some bafc ballers
here's here's the challenge uh these footballs are beautiful okay so they they commissioned
great artists from uh from the nft world to do them so the two that i would be getting
would be bafc which is made by dario de siena and pop wonder who did the gutter cat game one
so two of my favorite artists in the world,
the footballs themselves are $99.
And so I'm like, gosh, I mean, I know that, like,
I really want these footballs, and this is terrible for me to say.
I'm an ambassador, and I love the league.
And I would have provided this feedback on the price point.
And I know they had to commission artists, but I'm like,
man, they're really nice.
They're sweet-looking.
They're two of my favorite artists.
But I mean, you're talking about like, you know, point two ETH or whatever for these two footballs.
If I do it, that's not that's not inexpensive for the footballs, which I would need to figure out the right place to put them.
You know, and I'm going to go toss them around in the backyard.
So it's like I expected I was like, oh, they're going to be like $50, $60.
And again, no shade of fan controlled football or fan controlled sports.
Looking forward to them in the basketball.
But I think that's probably about 50, 60 bucks is probably about what you pay for like a high quality,
you know, like football, like collectible, collectible football of this of any sort.
And then as you said, you know, you gotta, you gotta take care of the artists and commission the artists a little bit i i don't know maybe you get down to like 69 might be a better
price point but um 50 is probably tough to hit on this i but where you got me thinking is like
there's where's the better model right when they want to do collaborations like this and
and i guess this is on the on the the heels of, of another 0% royalty debate weekend after the Magic Eden news.
We will talk a little bit about NFTs today.
I promise.
Maybe we'll go.
I know, I know clouded has to leave at nine.
So Steve and I can maybe talk nine cents for like 40 minutes.
Cloud to give us some, some alpha and, uh, and, and, and, and actual market updates.
Doodles.
I'm sure, I'm sure he's up here to, I mean, it's a special, special day.
I'm sure he's up here to, I mean, it's a special, special day.
I mean, on this day, a year ago, I woke up on like a Saturday at, I don't know, like
nine in the morning, casually minted five doodles off the allow list.
And that's probably, I assume Cloud is excited about that.
But yeah, anyway, but keep going.
Happy.
No, no.
That's big news.
I didn't realize.
It was another, I saw another birthday or anniversary recently too.
Maybe it'll come back to me here later. But yeah it's hard it feels like it's been 10 years i guess
there needs to someone needs to do the math one of the smart engineers needs to do the actual you
know they say like a dog year is seven years to human year like what is what actually is an nft
year to to in real life years um you know someone smart needs to figure that out but
i've completely lost my train of thought Steve we may as well
unless you want to bail me out here
you know you're talking about the footballs and you're talking about 0%
royalties and the model of I don't know if you're talking about collaborations
and partnerships or yeah yeah yeah yeah
so thank you if you missed it Magic Eden
went to the fully optional
now you can go zero percent royalties.
It was met with quite an uproar over the weekend.
But my point being, the tie in here is,
football, let's just say it costs to normally manufacture
and produce is 50 bucks.
And how much does an artist,
I guess if there's any sort of volume or quantity,
but in addition to the artist, then also the project.
We're talking like, hey, generate revenue other ways outside of just royalties.
But here we are balking a little bit.
And I too would balk at $100 price point.
But it's like, is it just the answer is just product market fit?
Is it rather, maybe if you can't hit the lower 69 price point, maybe,
maybe you do lower quantity and sell these things for a thousand, you know, a thousand bucks a
piece. And maybe there's, they're, they're, they're looked at as more of a collectible.
I don't know the answer, but I, I guess what I was trying to say is I applaud the effort of
an attempt for revenue generation. That's not just secondary royalties.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think with fan-controlled sports in general,
I mean, they have a whole revenue-generating potential model, right?
Like, they have a whole sports league, which is a real product,
and, you know, the ballers are just the opportunity to, you know,
vote on things live during the game and affect the outcome.
Wait, did we buy the basketballs, or were those free?
The basketballs were $100 each that you were allowed to buy.
Same price point.
Two of which with a board, eight kennel club.
Why are you – because I snap bought those,
and now I'm thinking, is it the bear has us down that bad?
Because I didn't think about a $100 price point.
I forgot I even paid $100 for those basketballs,
but now I don't want to do it for football.
Well, I think there's a couple things that go into that.
I think that is – I think, you know, obviously the bear market is a thing, but to me, like, it's the same as my – look, I paid, I think there's a couple things that go into that. I think that is, I think, you know, obviously the bear market is a thing,
but to me, like, it's the same as my, look, I paid,
I think the average price for the doodles piece was like $350
for each of these big, you know, physical doodle things.
I think it has to do with, and I love fan-controlled sports,
so this isn't shade, but I think you have levels of affinity
and identity towards a brand.
And I love the fan-controlled sports thing,
but I already have, like, you know, a affinity and identity towards a brand. And I love the fan controlled sports thing, but I already have like,
you know,
a board,
a football club helmet. And I already have like,
you know,
socks and,
you know,
shirts and some things from a fan control football that I love.
You know,
do I need the football and where would I put them?
Even if they are my favorite artists in this particular case,
like one,
I think I snap bought the basketball because you know,
number one, I should have bought two because I never think about resale because I'm terrible
at making money.
But, um, I, I, I, I snap bought the basketball because it was like, this was a part of my
identity.
Like, this is who I was.
Right.
I mean, like, this is, you know, this, the basketballs were like June last year, July,
whenever, whenever kennel club dropped, um, you know, shortly after, and it was the first
collab like this.
And, um, yeah. And I, I just, to me, it was like, Hey, you know, shortly after, and it was the first collab like this. And, um, yeah.
And I, I just, to me, it was like, Hey, this ties into my identity.
I, I love board API club.
I mean, the floor was like an East, which was massive for us at the time.
And, um, I don't know.
I was, I, it was a big part of who I was.
And so, um, you know, to me, that was cool, but dogs weren't part of the roadmap.
This wasn't part of the roadmap.
And, um, you know, I, I, I wanted to to own one the AR component was really cool that they had thrown in there
where you could download the AR filter and kind of before the basketball got there I mean they
didn't get there till December so it took like four or five six months to ship but um yeah no I
I just thought it was cool it was a cool thing to own and uh um you know it had that tie-in versus
like I love fan-controlled sports but like you, my profile picture isn't a fan-controlled, you know, football league, you know, player or anything.
And it's not, you know, the BAFC logo.
And as much as I, you know, dig them and I'm into it, there's just, you know, I think like, you know,
I look at the doodle, the Curtis plushie and everything I have on display, the skateboard,
the skateboard was expensive.
It was a snap buy for me because it was like, well, there's only a limited number of these.
It's exciting. skateboard the skateboard was expensive it was a snap buy for me because it was like well there's only a limited number of these exciting um so there's so many things that go into i think the
buying um you know mechanism and i think also like the hundred dollar football maybe wouldn't
have bothered me as much it's i think i want both of them and then i see two hundred dollars and
then i see like you know however much shipping handling i'm like all right so i'm paying two
hundred and fifteen dollars for two footballs that I'm going to display somewhere in my house.
To your point, like about where I'm displaying things, I need to figure that out as I, you know, rearrange my basement to be more NFT than, you know, now it's like half NFT, half Ohio State as it gets there.
It's like, I don't know.
Like, I think there's a lot of things that go into it.
I think the bear is one of them, but I think it has to be your time.
Like, I've got, I'm at a point in my life.
I, like, I'm looking around,
I have zero Ohio State stuff,
I have zero sports memorabilia.
My old office,
we were still before,
pre-init,
hung around a little while after.
But I have an office in Cleveland,
I just rarely go to it.
So I pulled all my personal stuff out of it
and it's become more of like a hoteling office.
If other colleagues come in,
they can use it. But anyways, long story short, I had a hoteling office if you know their colleagues are coming they can use it but anyways long story short i had a bunch of like you know
like a peyton manning signed football and some other sports memorabilia there uh world series
baseball that kind of stuff and i have nothing out now every the only thing i have that's
is uh you know on display or on a wall is all all nft related i've i've fully shifted from sports memoralia to to web3
yeah i mean that's that's sort of where my uh my my spot has gone um shout out to crypto painter
for the the latest on my wall and and uh long overdue i had it this is like it took me forever
to actually hang that's like the real work is is hanging one of these pieces but uh i picked up
well i'm biased but one of my favorite pieces of in all in all of digital art was uh racing on the
moon featuring captain uh by crypto painter and i i picked up uh uh one of those one of those
editions a while back and he he treated me to a framed print that is uh very well done uh i don't
know if it's his go-to frame printer.
I don't know what you would call this,
a company that prints and frames prints.
But yeah, I'm a big fan.
Appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
And if anyone's not familiar, you're missing out.
You definitely need to give him a follow.
Also, I don't want to...
We'll come back to it later.
I'll just say I also...
I was about to give another shout
out i'll just say i had the best coffee in the world over the weekend i'll just leave it to that
the best coffee in the world over the weekend excuse me i'm drinking coffee meant to say best
ice cream in the world i was gonna say i was like you gotta you gotta speak more than that
did you go to vicky's ice cream shop was that it yeah shout out to vicky
um a couple things to hit on too and then i i think we should go to probably probably hit like
i'd love to talk doodles one year anniversary with clouded because i'm sure he'll have
you know we can we can go back down memory lane and talk about those early days of
of doodles um but i think like a couple things to hit on this morning too and we'll shoot it
and i know goodies out here if anybody else is in the audience, I don't know if punters out there or not yet, or if
he's, he's sleeping in and recovering, but, um, you know, we have the, the web three expo.
I'd love a recap on that.
Or if we do that tomorrow, I know Drew's up here, goodies up here.
So we might hit on that as well.
But, um, but yeah, like maybe we'll do a doodles one year anniversary.
Cause I know cloud is on a, on a little bit of a clock here and then we'll, uh, we'll
run into maybe web three expo and see if others want to join to talk about that.
Because I'd love to hear, you know, because I was FOMOing the entire time.
I was going to say, are you sure you want to hear it, Steve?
Because it's just a lot of really fun stuff that you missed out on, man.
man. Yeah, I definitely want to hear it. I love the IRL stuff. And look, I mean, I deserve it
Yeah, I definitely want to hear it.
I love the IRL stuff.
because I go to pretty much all of the sort of IRL stuff, right? Like I hit all of that.
And so I'm sure people FOMO like crazy when they see me posting all these pictures of things going
on and whatever. And so, you know, it's fine. Like, I think I deserve everything I get as I feel the
intense FOMO I mean I was feeling it in general I was seeing everybody posting pictures and look I
I would have been there if had it not been my my daughter's birthday on Tuesday but um you know
that's uh or whatever the her birthday is the 10th so I forget if 10th was Monday or Tuesday because
it all rolls together at this point it was Monday last Tuesday because it all rolls together. At this point it was Monday, last Monday. But it was my daughter's birthday Monday.
You know, like, so that's, yeah, it's an important day for me.
So, you know, it was just something I couldn't miss.
And it was smack dab in the middle and didn't seem to make sense to fly out,
especially with the price of Vegas flights are not cheap anymore.
It used to be super cheap to get to Vegas.
So, you know, am I going to dump the, you know,
$500, $700 flight or whatever to get out to Vegas and pull the hotel up for,
you know, one day in and out. It didn't seem to make sense, but you know, alas, I FOMO.
We need you to be a, an influencer, Steve. We need you to, to get on the speaker panel and get
flown out like a lot of the other people did you know i've done
zero web three speaking things yet um you know i i applied for like one at south by so we'll see if
they want to have me on a panel or not but um i have so far done zero i i haven't i i'm gonna
south by i want to make sure we touch on tim ferris today too oh tim yeah no kidding no kidding we
have to uh i want to go to clouded though i want to give the
floor to clouded for anything all things due to related because clouded you obviously you had an
you had an amazing tweet so i just want i it's all yours no no thank you i i did just come to
chill it's been a minute um i have been doing less spaces but i am uh slowly getting
back into into spaces more and more uh but yeah just uh came to say gm and it's crazy to hear
how much nft uh like actual in real life shit you have steve because the extent of like my in real
life nft collectibles is i paid like ten10 to make a poster of my MFers.
And that's like pinned like a thumbtack to the wall.
Like a poster, not even framed or anything.
And that's it.
That's basically all I have in real life.
But I am a very minimalist type of guy.
So, yeah, I generally, I collect a whole lot of digital shit.
But when it comes to the physical stuff, I basically have it coffee mug is this just a photoshop oh no no the mugs you're right
you're right the mug i also got made from the same place and i got stickers made pretty fire
i you'd speak in a minimalistic i i uh it's pretty fire mug i'd like just just just the
doodle you don't need anything else yeah yeah um yeah so that's that's that's the extent of it um and
the stickers i also got made too because you you have to have stickers yeah stickers are a given i
got i got i got a little bit of um i was asking there's some people like irl friends who don't
understand like the nft space i was talking to and i was like getting these stickers made for
a meetup and i was you know i was going through them and they were just like you're getting stickers made of your internet picture and
you're going to wear them like what are you for and I'm like this is a name tag motherfuckers
okay I need this for people to know who I am at NFT meetups and it's normal I'm not the only one
everybody has them and so it was um and sure enough I've made the comment before and I clouded
I don't know if you've you know had the same experience at IRL or whatever, but it's like, you know, my faces,
I probably put myself out there more than most people because I've been on, you know, I've done,
you know, videos and I've done live streams and stuff, but like 90% of people who I interact on
Twitter have no idea what I look like. And so it's like, when I show up, I literally have
interactions where people like, you know, someone that i've talked to forever i like go to shake my hand introduce myself and
same steve and they'll look at me and then they look at the sticker and they're like oh my god
we've been talking for months so like to me the sticker is important yeah no you have to have
stickers if you're an nfts it's like the one thing i also did make uh so this is some alpha maybe um
i made business cards so like the way
i made them is they're square business cards they have my nft they have my mfr i was going to do my
doodle but i wanted to keep it more i don't know modest or whatever so i put my mfr on it and then
on the back side of it is just a qr code so there's no writing there's no nothing it's just the mfr on
one side and then a qr code on the back and then like I usually hand them out to people I meet in real life at like crypto events or NFT events.
And it's a nice touch because, you know, it's very web too.
But I think it's cool because they're a very personal thing.
Like someone actually takes that, you know, with them and like they have that.
So like it's I think that's really cool.
I also do that.
Yeah.
Well, two things on that number one i
like to think the qr code actually goes to rick astley's never going to give you up video and then
number two i i will tell you like it's funny how that works there is the irl move so i don't think
i've ever told this story and if mrs nft bark is listening she's going to be upset and embarrassed
about this story or she probably won't be because she's she's she's a cool cat but um so for people who don't people know like tropo farmer has like i don't know like
150 200 000 followers or something on twitter and i i you know and tropo and i've gotten to
know each other a little bit over the past year or whatever and obviously he's like this you know
mega um you know voice and presence how many followers does he have i don't know maybe even
more than that i don't know. Maybe even more than that.
I don't know what he has.
He has a lot.
He was at like 120, 130 last I looked.
He's 100.
Oh, this is perfect.
He's at 169.
169,000.
It could not be more.
Like, to me, he's still like, he's still like the same.
He's like, he's the original shit poster.
I mean, if we're going to talk about like a Web 3 Hall of Fame, he's Fame, at worst, he's on the Mount Rushmore of shit posters.
He's for sure.
And I think it's one of those things where all these newfangled shit posters
don't give the respect where respect is due in Web 3,
where you have someone like Tropo who was early on making the jokes,
but also extremely intelligent.
The reason why I have a hexagon is because Tropo gave detailed
step-by-step instructions how to get a
hexagon in using your ledger live without having to expose your hardware wallet to twitter or have
mobile uh hardware wallet going so i think like you know smart guy and also great chip poster
so um mrs nft bark and i heard an nfc nyc at an event at slate which was one of the uh you know
the place with the games and it's got like a a slide. And there's a lot of NFT events.
Knights of D-Gen did one there last year.
Life Force Games did one.
A bunch of people did it.
Goats, they do, you know, events at Slate.
And, you know, I'm talking to Tropo at the bar.
And my wife goes to meet him.
And there's music playing and they introduce each other.
And he goes, hey, nice to meet you, blah, blah, blah.
And then, you know, they shake hands or whatever.
And he goes, I like your dog tags, which Average FOMO NFT,
her boss who owns an auto repair shop
Eugene a friend of ours made us these dog tags he made me degen ones he made her goats ones and on
the back is a QR code which scans her Twitter so she shows him the thing he's like yeah he's like
a QR code on it she's like I haven't even tested and see if it works yet and so he scans it so
later on because she didn't realize who he was or whatever or anything like that she just had this
great conversation with him because then I had to go and her and him kept talking and then she went
like you know moved around the room moved on or whatever and later on she's like this dude with
like 150,000 followers just followed me I'm like babe you just tricked I was like I saw that you
just tricked Tropo Farmer into following you like what a move that was to show him your QR code and
be like I don't even know if it works like i'm like do you do this every time you meet somebody and i'm like
you just took you know somebody with 150 000 hours who follows like a thousand people or whatever it
is and basically dupe them into following you by trapping them into scanning your qr code um so it
was a hilarious move by her but she had no idea she honest to god didn't know she did it because
she didn't catch his name and just had a really good conversation with him he's a funny guy right um and then lo and behold
you know she's one of his however many followers he had he follows now because you know there's
11 000 i guess it is but like she basically was like i don't even know where can i just imagine
her going up to everybody at a fest and being like i don't even know if this qr code works like
um so anyway it was it was it was quite the quite the interesting thing but um clouded how are
you celebrating the doodles one year anniversary like what is your what are you doing today besides
spaces um well not not much at all to be honest it's a it's funny because for me um ironically
it's actually bigger than just the doodles anniversary i i resigned from my uh previous
well like i guess my career um a week before the doodles mint and my last day was the day of the
doodles mint um at my work and i uh i took three hours off in the middle of my my day when obviously
it's the last day everyone's trying to get in with like farewells and there's handovers for all the shit that you've been working on and like I actually had like a lot of
like process changes and stuff to hand over but I took three I booked three hours out and I was
like jumped on a call on discord with all like some people and then we minted like dudes and like
yeah so that was actually quite eventful so that was my story of of my mint day um and then i went back for like the last two hours
of my career and then and then yeah um but uh no not not much celebration uh other than just i guess
uh tweeting out a lot of doodle related things today and uh yeah talking to the the community
i'm i'm sure there's going to be a bunch of community spaces um and like everyone's sharing
like you know that walk down memory lane and such
so yeah that's basically it yeah i just found my i'll pin it to the top i found my tweet from
october 17th i almost nailed the time 9 39 a.m uh rolled out of bed got my computer minted my
doodles time time of the release plus the white list made made it so gas wasn't an issue as well
so funny to think about a time when gas was just like a thing.
I'm excited to see where this project goes.
And then there's, of course, people in there being like,
oh, I wanted to get whitelisted.
And I can't believe it because that was the big, big deal.
So Clouded, so you minted your dudes.
So you were in the Discord when we minted that day, right?
I was, yeah.
How did you get it?
Like, what was your
were you in the subducks community did you put a meme out there did you get invited by a friend
who they gave an invite to like how did you find your way in um i knew tulip from subducks and uh
obviously tulip was always showing off this doodle and um you know like i spoke to him and i was like
dude what is this he's like oh it's this project i'm working on at the time like no one was interested in it like no one knew anything
about it um and then i was like oh dude it's pretty it's pretty lit art and he's like and
he just sent me the discord invite like didn't even like really ask or anything and then i jumped
in there i don't remember how many people there was maybe like 200 300 maybe more i don't really
remember but uh yeah that's
that's how i got into it and then i remember that you know they decided to close off the discord
you know cap it at a thousand people and then uh and that was like the first time like like you had
like that closed discord whitelist type of thing like before that it wasn't really a thing they
kind of just like winged it and innovated that setup that eventually we had
that whole whitelist meta after that but really when i remember when they released that trailer
on twitter with the one that was um the animation was done by alphie motion and the music was done
by disclosure that was when everybody saw that and at the time, it was like, one of the most phenomenal like products,
like that was put out before a mint for an NFT project. So everyone was going crazy, like,
holy shit, we need to mint this. And they realized that the discord was closed. And
that was when all the memes went around of like people having to make art. And like,
I know a girl that actually baked like a bunch of cakes. And that's how she got into the discord.
that actually baked like a bunch of cakes.
And that's how she got into the Discord.
And yeah, that was like when everyone was going crazy
because it was closed
and they had to do all these funny things to get in.
And they let like an extra, from memory,
I think they let like an extra 200 people in
on top of the thousand.
So the OG doodles was around 1200 of us
that got that whitelist in that closed discord yeah that was that
was a crazy time i i have my message so i joined the discord on october 26th or i mean i'm sorry
october 26th august 26th august 26th 2021 because i found my message from evan because i knew i had
i you know i had known him from the subducks community as well and had you know interest
in the art as well and um you know my i've told this story here before but you know, I had known him from the SupDucks community as well and had, you know, interest in the art as well.
And, you know, I've told this story here before, but, you know, obviously he's like, you know, this really interesting dude or whatever. And, you know, we'd interacted and everything in SupDucks.
But then, of course, Discord is this big, sketchy thing.
And he had sent me a message about like, hey, this is early alpha.
He talked about being this.
I won't read the whole thing, but say, hey, this is going to be a paradigm shifting project which i think he's followed through on he talked about the team with him
and poopy and burnt toast and the other folks who are the devs on it um and he had sent me this
message on discord was like we'd love to have you in so again you mind mind you august 26 how many
people are in the discord like less than 100 or whatever it is and he sends me this message
on discord and my first response was hey man like a lot of scams on discord can you send me this message on Discord, and my first response was,
hey, man, like, a lot of scams on Discord.
Can you send me this on Twitter as well?
So, like, I basically told a guy who is now one of the founders
of one of the top five NFT brands, like, probably in the world.
I was like, hey, man, like, not sure if you're scamming me or not.
And, of course, like, Evan's great,
so he went over and sent it to me on the,
he sent me the same message on Twitter, and on Twitter and I joined the discord immediately and, uh, and got into it.
Cause at that point I didn't even know like discord link and drain my wall. I didn't know
anything. It was August 26th, 2021. And, um, anyway, so that was a good, uh, it was a good,
it was a good time. And that discord was just fun vibes past the rainbow. And I think your point
about it being the closed discord, I mean, that was the first one that we saw like that.
And a lot of people were critical.
And I have some Degen article out there,
and I've talked about it as well.
I feel strongly that, like,
not everybody necessarily needed to copy that
because a lot of people did afterwards
to not as much success.
But I firmly believe that a lot of the success of Doodles,
obviously the art itself is fire, and that speaks for itself. It can stand alone. But I firmly believe lot of the success of Doodles, obviously the art itself is fire and that speaks for itself.
It can stand alone.
But I firmly believe some of the success of Doodles is that they curated an early community that wanted to be there.
And like some people either sold their mints when they had five.
I sold around and traded until I got the exact one I wanted, which is a badass Doodle.
Maybe I'll change my PFP today or something.
I don't know.
But like a badass Doodle that I really wanted.
And, you know, other people just wanted to keep all five.
And I know a lot of people have held five the entire time.
And I think by doing it the way that they did it,
they curated a community of people.
And it wasn't, people would say it was influencers.
But actually what was funny is like the doodles discord
was the anti-influencer.
You know, you talk about the youth list, which a lot of people are more familiar with.
And one of the things about the youth list is, yes, there were these large influencers,
but they gave the average follower count.
It was much lower than you would expect.
And they think about the youth list.
Doodles was youth list before the youth list.
All Evan was doing is Tulip and Poopy, they were bringing people over from the Subdux community
and other communities that they're like these people vibe and by bringing those people in they basically created this
dynamic of what people want to get in and some people just want to fomo in um but was hilarious
it was the large influencers with huge accounts who were pissed off they weren't in because they
just wanted to get it and flip it and make money meanwhile the people in that discord most of them
were in there and yes some of them flipped and made money. We're excited about it.
And it's one of the reasons why I think all five mints were like 0.75 or something, you know, with, you know, maybe 0.8 after gas.
And I don't think the floor ever went below that because, and that was, you know, for a single one, let alone five, because people just wanted them.
And it was a really interesting, like, lesson, I think, and it's hard to replicate, and others tried to,
in community building where the people who went in there
prioritized doodles over other things.
And I've said before, the only way that an NFT profile picture
can be successful is if you want it more than something else.
People wanted doodles.
They didn't want doodles to flip into an ape.
They didn't want doodles to flip into eventually
when they dropped a mutant. People wanted doodles because they wanted doodles
because they were part of that community and they felt the identity and they wanted to keep it
they wanted to flip apes they didn't want to be apes just like apes wanted to flip punks they
didn't want to be punks and i think that that was like this sort of like you know evan called it
paradigm shift i think that was a really interesting term because there were it was in a sea of a lot
of sameness where people were kind of
figuring out what was going on and i know gutters gutter had minted a couple months earlier and they
had seen some success you know there was a lot of um i don't know there's a lot of like sputtering
sort of uh you know sort of pfps and they really got people who wanted to be there to be there
they drove positive vibes so i don't know if you had that same takeaway clouded yeah it definitely was probably the the most curated i guess uh community and culture pre-mint
um they definitely did kind of put a lot of time and effort and instilled a certain type of mindset
um for them and i remember like oh shiny was actually a mod uh in the discord up until the mint like his his he agreed that he
would do the modding just for fun for the small group of thousand people in there and then as
soon as the floodgates open he's like i'm i'm not doing this shit um but he put a great um text
which i actually have a screenshot of somewhere uh i might even tweet it out maybe later but uh
he actually put a great text in the discord
when he was getting rid of his mod role
and he's like guys
he explained how
the top
companies of every
the last however many generations
are done through
tech innovations and this stuff
and he was
kind of really giving them
the vision that he had for doodles on how they are like likely going to be one of the best
contendents to actually take this web3 tech and build like the next full-blown brand that we know
as as we know it like the next disney or whatnot and he had a great text about that he really laid
it out really well um and that was like one of the few examples that I use when people ask, like, how did they, you know, like you said, they kind of like made people want the doodles.
Like that was that was how like they kind of showed them the vision from the very beginning.
Like, yes, like this is like we want to like build this brand.
like this is like we want to like build this brand and like i was i'm one of those people
that like from day one like i i took a look at it and i was like this is like likely going to be the
next fucking like you know disney out of this space if anything so like if anything does it
it would be this so yeah like i i had that conviction too um i still do like they've come
like such a long way like they've raised almost at a unicorn vowel
they have like fucking pharrell as their brand like you know officer and like they have all
these ties in the museum it's just come such a long way in 12 months so um I definitely like
I think that it's amazing how they stuck to those that initial kind of vision that they had at the
beginning that they were telling that their core group and uh yeah everyone there had enough faith i mean a lot of og doodles had enough faith to
actually stay along the the ride and yeah and i think that that nails it i and i i am with you
i think like you know you talk about being the next disney and like you know people get caught
up in the actual like you know miss the nuance of like just saying they're going to be this big
global brand and be like oh next disney they have cigarettes or whatever. It's like, no, they,
they have this global potential based on the appeal they define.
And I have an entire, I'll probably put it out next week.
I started writing this entire thread on branding and it was getting way too
long and I'm deciding if it's two threads, but my prime example for best brand,
you know, great job in branding is doodles. And like,
I think like we're so early and a lot of people look at number go up, they don't realize how hard brand matters.
And the fact that Doodles owns, like, you know, I've said, this is the way I always put it.
I could show you the NFT NYC picture that they put out.
It doesn't say Doodles anywhere.
It has a Statue of Liberty.
It's got a color palette to it.
And everybody in the NFT space would look at that and 10 people out of 10 would say that's Doodles.
And that's a powerful thing that I could take the board ape style art and i love board ape and i think they have a strong brand is they're like streetwear whatever but like
in the same style and you might say oh that's board ape or oh that might be gutter that might
be like the style of art the color of the art the vibe of the community and what they're trying to
create they have a mission and vision statement that they map back not only every single image they do,
but every single communication, every single IRL event.
It's a brand.
And so I agree with you.
And that's why I haven't lost any conviction.
And seeing how far they've come, I agree.
It's like they've also shown the ability to pivot, right?
They were leading a successful NFT brand,
and they hired a CEO, an experienced ceo to help them to help them grow um they were doing just fine and they could have existed in the current market but they're trying
a plan to sort of grow this thing to the masses and reach millions of people like these are the
things that i look for personally and not everybody's looking at it that way and i actually
had a tweet that i got some some people most agreed that some pushback on over the weekend,
which was, look, if every time an NFT brand,
your favorite NFT project does something,
your first thought is how does this affect the floor?
There's a good chance you're in the wrong project.
Because if you're just thinking you want to get exit liquidity
anytime they move, then, you know, like, look,
there's nothing wrong with making money or flippers.
There's nuance to it.
But like, is this something you're riding with or not? if you are like if you're just trying to make money doesn't
apply to you but if you're like into it like the floors don't let the floor affect your your your
mental health if you think they're doing cool shit for the community they're doing cool shit for the
community so i'll agree with you yeah i'll actually if you don't mind i'll quickly read this oh shiny
um thing that he posted it It's not that long.
It's like three paragraphs.
But this is like his last thing before he gave up his model. And then we can move on from Doodles after this.
But this kind of really nails on the head of how they instilled that culture.
So he said, everyone, while I still have my mod powers,
I wanted to share a few thoughts on why I believe Doodles is so special
and how lucky the 1 people here are four of the ten largest companies in the
world today came out of the last transformative technological shift that
shift enabled the internet to connect people like never before however the
companies that emerged from it also began to shape exactly how they wanted
people to interact and took value where they saw fit. Web3 allows connection based
on how we want it and creates a raw system that values the participation of the consumer
by making them a partner. It is this transition that will make the next great consumer companies
come from communities of people and not single leaders. I believe Doodles can be one of those
communities and one of those great companies, But it takes time and patience and energy.
Tomorrow the floodgates open and the 1,200 of us here need to do our damnedest
to keep our eyes on the long-term prize,
to dig deeper into what decentralized communities can achieve
and into the worlds that burnt toasts magical art can conjure up.
Cut down speculation when you see it.
Try to provide as much value as you can.
And let's all get to building something amazing.
You should screenshot that and uh tweet that up yeah yeah that bet like you know put it in like you know whether it's in yeah put it in one tweet probably screenshot that whole thing down it's a
screenshot like i have the actual screenshot from all shiny i'll actually tweet it out right now
hold on and then i can pin it to the top so people can see it yeah like because i mean if you're like
tweet that and you basically,
exactly what you said, like, you know, the words of shiny said, you know,
one year ago, you know, still ring true today. Like, you know,
I mean, that would be, I mean, that's powerful. Like, you know,
and that's, and that's such, and he's such,
he's such a respected voice in the space that, you know, it's, it's great to hear. So I love that. So cap,
are you buying a doodle today then?
The thought actually entered my head about 30 seconds ago.
I feel like I'm past due time to pull the trigger.
Yeah.
And again, this is one of those ones where it's funny.
Like, I was telling Cap to buy it before NFT NYC, during and after.
And, you know, I've been pretty big on the doodles train.
They're, you know, one of my favorites.
I mean, besides apes, there's a good chance I would say that doodles is my fave, you know, of my favorites i mean besides apes they they there's a good chance
i would say that doodles is my fave um you know that exists out there i think you know doodles
apes and moonbirds and it's not about floor it's about the community the leaders the vision the
what they're doing um god doodles is right there with ape it's the only thing i will say as i've
said this before my doodle both from a aesthetic standpoint as well as a um you know what the project does as well as a community standpoint, is the only thing I've strongly considered changing my ape to.
Even as recently as NFT NYC when I was like, maybe I should be – man, I love my doodle.
You got one of the cleanest doodles though, bro.
Your doodle is unfairly clean.
It could be the mascot for the collection.
That's by design.
It's not the rarest, but I should pin it to the top because I've done tweets about it.
But like what I did was there is the original burnt toast art from Bubblegum Future, which
is what it's based on, which is what this art is.
And when they came out, there's no doodle that really outside of obviously like Evan's
rainbow one, which is like classic and then he bought for 100 ETH like right after.
There aren't a lot of doodles that perfectly match the burnt toast art.
I went and got one with the pink hair, the yellow hoodie that's got the blue on it,
which is again in the bubblegum future art that you'll see,
the one that's on the homepage for burnt toast art.
It's wearing a yellow hoodie with a pair of jeans.
And then I like sunglasses on NFTs. I just always have, so a yellow hoodie with a pair of jeans um and then i like sunglasses on nfts i just always have so i got them with a pair of sunglasses but my my doodle
like i got to match like as close as i could from what i could afford the original burnt toast art
so it was very intentional trading looking for specific traits reloading the floor what am i
getting um and so i don't know Those are the ones that I always,
you know, and like, because of that, because I had, you know, five initially, and I got down
to one that I really liked, then I have the experience of like, yes, I got this one inexpensive
relatively to what the floor is now. But my other four, if I go back and track, I'm like, oh, cool.
Like the one I got just sold for 15 ETH that I sold for three ETH or two ETH as I was trying to
get my, you know,
get to my dream doodle. But I mean, I love my doodle. I've considered it just because of that.
And I think to me, like the reason I've told Cap to buy him is because I know how Cap thinks about
stuff and the things he wants to do. And look, I mean, like for people who are just buying,
because you're like, Hey, I just want the price to go up. Like, I think doodles were a great
investment at 20, 15, 10. I thought they were a great investment doodles were a great investment at 20 15 10 i thought they're a great investment at one a great investment at five and like not financial advice for me personally
because you get to do really cool shit they're growing the global brand you get to be part of
a great community and to me it was like it's always been a buy from me personally again not
financial advice and don't invest what you can't lose but um it's always been something that i want
to be a part of and like I never pay attention to the floor,
like the projects that I like the most, you know, like again,
moon birds, apes doodles,
unless I specifically have to look it up for the show or something like that.
I couldn't tell you the floor on a day-to-day basis because I don't watch the
floor. I watch what, you know, Evan and, and poopy and burnt toast are doing,
right. Oh, they're doing this cool thing. I can't wait to do that. I watch what, you know, Kevin and, and, you know, the and poopy and burnt toast are doing right oh they're doing this cool thing
i can't wait to do that i watch what you know kevin and and you know the team are doing and like
oh they're european tour that's cool like i'm paying attention to what they're doing and how
they're adding value and the fun things that i'm getting to participate in with apes etc too like
i don't know like i looked at the apes for i'm like oh okay like last time i looked there at
like 70 now they're at like 78 like they they might be at 100. I won't know the difference
because at least my current personal way of approaching it
is that I'm looking at like these projects
as like what is the cool shit they're doing
that, you know, I get to participate in
and how are they growing this world
that I'm inside and I don't know.
Like doodles, I'm excited about them.
Yeah, no, big facts.
I pinned it to the top i
think cap went over it so it's one it's one pin back if anyone wants to go and actually read the
uh the post but uh yeah uh i mean that's uh that's all for me i guess awesome yeah that's a great um
oh it's great and it all fits into one screenshot which is amazing yeah that's a great one that That tweet's going to run because it's such a good, you know, I don't know.
It's just such a great post, and it kind of encapsulates that community.
And, you know, it's fun to think back to those days of those discords
and those original kind of days.
So, I don't know, fun times.
Doodles, for sure.
Yeah. Anyway, thanks. I think think i saw i went to your page i wasn't seeing it but i think i saw you got a i guess
maybe give us a quick update you said you you alluded to spaces earlier do you have a is this
your show are you going on a show here later today i know we may lose some background when you have
is that today or no it's not my show so, I kind of stepped away from that show I was doing before, Local Top.
I don't know.
I just wanted to kind of take a break from spaces, recalibrate, see where I'm going.
The thing I have to do today at 9 is just an AMA for this project.
The only reason I said yes is because they asked their community who, who should do the AMA with like the,
the artist and a bunch of people tagged me and then the artist kind of reached
out to me and was like, Hey dude, like, do you want to do this?
I was like, yeah, I'll do it. So I'm doing an AMA for this,
this project. I'm not like affiliated with anyway. I do know the artist.
He's he's, he's, I think he's cool.
He's actually made me a few derivatives
and uh that's why like i'm like hey look i'll do the ama for you it's fine it's only an hour so
that's that's the only reason i have to step away today no it's awesome i i actually think more um
you kudos to them i i think not this is going to sound very like i'm trying to find a way to say
this not sound like an arrogant asshole um i think more more projects more artists should should do things like that should should reach
out it doesn't have to be um you know i knew i think ocm's done a great job of this with steve
right like like do they have people that could host a space and and conduct a professional
interview yeah they do uh but they're not as good as Steve.
And just as Steve brings a different following, so will you. And I think that's why we often see
the most popular spaces are usually not community specific, rather shows that are more broad.
And I think as a result of that, I think a lot of projects would be better off to have you know like guest host whether it's an AMA or a monthly show as opposed to always doing them
internally yeah yeah this one's definitely a once-off uh before they're mint um and
it they're the the art like I'm not here to shill it at all um their art is very uh and their
community is also very oriented around um I mean kind of inspired by Doodles in a way as well.
Not completely, but I think that's also a big reason
why I had a lot of tags with me being the person to do the AMA.
So, and yeah, and I'm fully cool with that.
But yeah, that's the only reason I have to step away today.
But I will be joining you guys' spaces more often
and staying through uh through for
for all of it it's awesome looking forward to having you more and uh you know we love the
insight you bring and everything and you know appreciate you and enjoy the ama and again um
fun one-year anniversary i'm looking forward to seeing all the different posts about that because
that's another thing if there's one thing that the doodles community does well i mean they come out with photoshops and memes and fun i mean like again just a ton of fun so
i can't wait to see all the things that come out of this one yeah no definitely much love everyone
and shout out to all the wonderful doodles in the crowd happy birthday um and yeah i'll catch
you guys later cool cool have a good one yeah and i i agree with you cap a couple things that you said there like well one i actually like not like news yet but i think sometime between 10 and 11 today
i'm going to be posting some pretty big personal news about something i'm doing professionally
because i finally got the thumbs up this week so you know what that is a few people know what that
is but excited to uh to put that out like officially put that out there in the wild uh on twitter and
linkedin and facebook and all the places um so it should be an exciting one uh for me today can we
can we can i have a can i invite you as a special guest tomorrow yeah i think i can come on the show
tomorrow to discuss my my personal announcement that i'm putting out there so i'm excited so
yeah between 10 and 11 all some exciting stuff out there that is honestly like, it's probably like, I mean, when I say like a dream, like it is one. So, you know, we'll talk about it tomorrow and keep it out there.
But I got the thumbs up on that this weekend and like sort of officially to throw it out today.
So that's exciting.
But I think you're right, Cap, about the hosting thing that you mentioned.
Like, I think like the Web3 space operating more like a professional, you know, like real professional companies,
because I think that's something that I personally struggle with a little bit in this Web3 world is, you know, like real professional companies. Because I think that's something that I personally struggle with a little bit in this Web3 world
is, you know, I OCM.
And again, I'm happy to be host there.
Obviously, I work there, the community, I know them really well.
I love the community and like we have a great relationship.
But, you know, I think Danny and Amanda are, you know, phenomenal founders,
Bill Tye, phenomenal founder, but they're not necessarily like interviews. Whereas like, I literally was a journalist in my,
you know, at my, the first job out of college. Right. And, and, and that was my job. And it's
something that I've always been intellectually curious about and asking questions. And I love
talking to awesome people and learning about them and, you know, that sort of thing. And,
you know, it's, it's funny because here you and I are the commentators and we give our opinions,
but when I do an interview, like, it's like my job is to be wallpaper, right?
Like I just want to make the person shine that is there. Um, and I think a lot of, you know,
there's a million people who are good at that. There's the Shira Lazars of the world and,
you know, so many others who know how to like actively listen and do follow-up questions.
Um, and I think a lot of these, you know, you know, NFT brands, you have these amazing
communities, you know, I'll give an example of one that probably could have taken advantage of,
we talked about it with doodles earlier, you know, sub talks, like Frankie has this amazing network.
And one of the things that they talk about is like, Oh, Frankie and sub talks is amazing network
and the stuff they could work on, you know, the opportunity to like grab a great community member
and have them do interviews that are you know talking to
some of these great people in their network that they know you know celebrities and you know i
mean it's like there's pictures you know pharrell for doodles is a big deal you know they talked
about frankie and there's pictures of him hanging out with pharrell and you know all these different
like people that he knows so it's like that could bring a lot of value because it would let your
community get an inside look and also flex to an audience outside of it
that you have these connections,
but let them get an inside look
at what these people's worlds are like.
And I think it's not a super difficult thing
to tap a community member,
whether it's paid or unpaid to say,
or a non-community member to say,
hey, we'd love to have you host.
I mean, again, there's people like,
Jenny from the blockchain is another one that comes to mind she ran a great decon stage you could put her up
on any stage you know her shira lazar other ones that are great at this and say hey like y'all you
know you just we wind you up and you ask the questions we're going to bring you a great guest
we just want to provide value to our community and um you know i think that that's one of the
things that's really powerful that's underutilized in this world and you know it's again people are like oh what's it done for like
beyond shane monkey floor and things people say like oh it's like it's not necessarily about that
it's i to me it's like i think it's cool we're at this time when we all have access to these really
amazing people who are super smart and have these amazing backgrounds and experience building great
brands like why not kind of take advantage
of that and and figure out i don't know like figure out like what's you know what makes them
tick and bring it to this world and grab an interviewer so i agree with dekamp i think it's
a missed opportunity by a lot of these nft brands yeah i i mean maybe we'll see more of it i'm trying
to think through like we talk about how important pr and comms and everyone should have these bigger projects should have a professional in those roles. I think for early projects starting out, like, it probably doesn't make sense to have a full time comms person on your team or granted, well, can some people be multifaceted? And I'm sure often a lot of like community managers serve as that person.
And that's what, while that's, they're likely equally capable and they have the skills.
I just think, you know, tactically speaking, there is merit in bringing in someone that's
that's not that community manager, that's not a mod, that hosts, whether they're in the community
not that community manager.
or not. I think there's a lot with that. We've talked about edification and speaking well of
others. I'm having trouble even pinning it down, but I think at least subconsciously,
there's a lot that goes into uh that that
guest host not even talking like just tactically speaking with how how twitter and the algorithms
and the followings work here
sorry i i got tied up in uh in in the uh the mute button was just like sticky and i'm like i'm i'm good i took a i took a drink at the absolute worst time um i was like i knew we talked i know we talked a little bit um
uh the recent conference out there in vegas we probably should circle back to that
before we do that though i gotta ask goody is this an adam bomb squad are you uh is this a
new pickup here i haven't clicked through yeah, it's an Adam Baum squad.
I appreciate it, actually.
I've been shopping for a new PFP to kind of brand around,
especially after last week.
I did, speaking of interviews, Steve,
I was just asked by a friend one of the days to, like,
go around and start interviewing people.
Like he put a camera in my face and a mic in my hand and he wanted me to interview all the, you know, influencers or people in our space that were there.
And it was really fun. And I got to interview basically everybody.
And he lives in Vegas. So we're going to start doing more more content especially on the Vegas Strip we actually
went down to the Vegas Strip on Friday and we were doing like some man on the street stuff
everything from uh like putting you know asking people hey do you know what an NFT is or like
what an NFT stands for like one guy was like national football team and he was so excited he
was like did I get it right like so it was really
great actually um and then we were doing other stuff like you know would you swipe right on
this PFP and we were showing like shilling villains or barks or you know would you we
showed Farouk's picture um and then it was like would you date a man that spent a hundred thousand
dollars on this picture and it was four girls and all four girls were like yes and then it was like, would you date a man that spent $100,000 on this picture?
And it was four girls. And all four girls were like, yes.
And then it surprised me.
I'm like, what?
And they're like, well, if you spent $100,000 on the picture, then what can you spend on me?
I'm like, good fucking point, women.
Good point.
So it was a lot of fun.
Anyway, that's a long story.
Just to say I'm trying to actually have a personal brand around a PFP and not switch it.
And this kind of felt like the best way to go. Especially we were talking about pictures or
stickers, right? We're talking about stickers. This is kind of going to be like a sticker that
I hand out to people on the street. I'm going to put this on a t-shirt with my username,
my Twitter name when I'm talking to people on the street.
So it's like an easy thing visually to brand around.
My big thing I would say based on that, and then I do want to dig in more on Web3 Expo,
is once you find something, again, I know this is a hot topic and maybe this is an entire discussion,
Um, I feel as though, uh, changing your PFP frequently is not the best, uh, the best,
uh, way to go if you're trying to brand yourself in web three.
Now, look, if you just want to like rotate communities or if you're like cons, that's
That's the, that's the pro, right?
Is rotating communities, pick gate, engaging a bunch of new people.
You get that, that you, not just the engagement quote unquote on Twitter, but actually getting
to connect and, and, you know, especially those passionate community members are more like, you Twitter, but actually getting to connect and, you know,
especially those passionate community members are more like, you know.
Now, he's much more likely to get engaged in maybe a DM
from someone that is passionate about Bobby Hundreds
and the Adam Bomb Squad community than he would otherwise.
Right.
Switching around, it's confusing to everyone else that's not in that community.
Yeah. Like I'm more of a fan of you're going to switch. Maybe you switch to a derivative of your current one or whatever, you know, because I know that that happens quite a bit.
So so my recommendation, just generally speaking, personally, and again, I know people have different opinions on this is, you know, I know people have different, and Outer Lumen will argue with me on this, right? I know she's not here this morning,
but Outer Lumen would say, like, you know,
just, you know, brand your, you know,
like, they're like different outfits I wear.
And I think that's totally cool.
And like, it actually is very on brand
and perfectly fits Outer Lumen for that purpose.
You know, especially she loves the man with no face
in Game of Thrones, so it kind of fits real well.
But like, my take is like, take is like look oh my goodness I was
prepared to get a whole show and not even talk
about it last night but it was the
penultimate episode so
you just completely lost my train of thought
maybe I'll binge the season
maybe I'll binge the season
don't even binge it like I think you have
I think part of what makes it so great is like the slow
burn you like watch one episode
and then force yourself to wait a week.
I can't fucking wait until the season finale next Sunday.
It is like Game of Thrones is back.
And the way they did this first season,
I'm pretty sure they've got four seasons
of actual George R.R. Martin material from the book
before they have to deviate and go off sheet?
I will not. Again, I've said it before, like sometimes pain lasts a long time and everybody
grieves differently. I am still hurting from the last two seasons of Game of Thrones. What they did
to me, I still have trouble forgiving. So at some point I'll binge it. I'm still just going to watch
Survivor with my daughter and
my wife and, you know, catch my Bachelor in Paradise for the moment and just do my trashy
reality thing to detox or maybe like the detox is Game of Thrones because that's actual substantial
content. And this is like me going on a bender with my reality TV show. But either way, I'm going
to continue to do my brain candy for now um maybe i'll binge at some point we'll
see but i don't know like i still have trouble accepting that and i everyone's telling me the
same thing but i have trouble accepting it but um but anyway real quick before we go to go to loop
and then we'll do more web3 expo stuff because we have three web3 expo folks on stage um you know
i'll say like to me personally from a branding perspective it's such a small space people literally know
like if if i sold this ape people who had known me with this ape for the past like year and a half
or whatever would in that person change your profile picture they'd be like that's not your
ape like it happened when you know way back nfts anonymous had the biggest most famous sale when
apes were selling for like 20 30 40 50 40, $50,000, you know, he sold one for like a hundred something odd thousand dollars,
which is a massive sale at the time. It was like such a big deal.
It got, it literally made news.
Darren Rebell tweeted about it and it made all this.
That was before some of the other big sales.
And like the person who bought it, that poor person,
they bought this ape that they loved.
They may or may not have known it was Tyler's ape.
They changed their profile picture and everyone's like, well,
that's not your ape.
And it took like three or four owners and a long time before people are like oh that is
that's no longer Tyler's ape so I think like people get associated with like their personalities and
their identities get tied to them and to me it's you know if you plan to hold something um you know
what Shill and Villain's done is genius because it's not like this like expensive profile picture
I'm sure he could sell it for a ton of money to someone now but you know it's like people will always know him by that pfp
and it's not like he has to have this you know conundrum about selling because it's not like
there's this like big floor but you know having a consistent pfp to me is like a a branding play
at least in early web 3 i'm not saying it won't shift or won't it's always going to be the case
but i've i feel relatively strongly about the you know singular
pfp or at least having a go-to pfp even if you occasionally like you know to me it's like people
say like they're different outfits i wear it's like i might dress up as my doodle like once a
year and i love my doodle like i said i've considered changing that one i considered
should that be my pfp um but i'm always going to end up back kind of here you know you know
infallibly almost almost pretty quickly.
So I don't know. I don't know, Luke.
I mean, look, part of it, too, was I spent a week introducing myself to everybody as Goody.
And that's a short, catchy, memorable name.
So I wanted to then come back to the timeline and have a PFP that would stick.
And like you said, kind of not have one as well that like I would have a an innate attachment to not being able to sell something worth six figures at some point in the future again.
So like that's kind of where I went with and nobody else like i've never seen
another person really on the timeline rocking an atom bomb squad so i'm like if i can be the one
to brand it then that's cool peruse my vault it's one of my one of my favorite holdings i've got
it vaulted actually i think i've maybe pulled a half dozen but i've got one vaulted away that's
uh uh one of one of the favorite of my more favorite uh nfts in my collection yeah i've
got a couple clean atom bombs as well.
Neither of you have the Johnny Bravo haircut one, do you?
I don't think so.
I have to look at mine.
It's been a while.
It's been some time.
I specifically paid up for one on the secondary market that I didn't admit
that was the 80s style Oakleys that I have a side profile throwback pick for me
like 10 years ago from rocking these 80s Oakleys
that it's almost a spitting image of my Adam Bob squad.
That's awesome.
That's not the one I was referring to that's my favorite,
but go ahead.
Yeah, I was just going to kick it to Loop.
Loop, GM.
GM, everybody.
Yeah, I guess the first hit on what Goody was talking about.
Yeah, no, Goody, I think that awesome um that you're trying to go a different route and trying to go with a
pfp that um gets you some credit but also is different so you really actually do brand yourself
um like i think that's one thing like you have to kind of play that that uh line which is you know
okay should i just you know if i'm a board ape am I just gonna be a board ape or a moon bird or, you know, whatever it is, whatever, like the most clout that I can get? Or can I be
really different? And can I have a PFP that's going to really set me apart? And I think the
second is maybe more rewarding, but probably way harder. You definitely will not get the, you know,
insta follow from a lot of folks. getting a lot of followers in the board community
is really helpful uh because it'll it'll expand your reach really quickly um but if you look at
some like the top influencers like i think uh zach xpt is a really good example um his his pfp is not
even an nft like it's that little penguin guy um and that is like way more branded than, and no offense, Stephen Capp, but just having,
having a PFP. It's a true one of one in his case, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know,
I think that's pretty unique. So yeah, I mean, I think it's like a good idea to, to go that route.
Like I, I had my PFP as a Neo Tokyo citizen and then everyone started hating them. So I changed it. And now I just, you know,
even before we even before we launched, I just changed it to a prototype of the PFP we're making
for for my project. Because I was like, I just want to I just want to change it really early.
And it's going to be different. Like nobody has seen this type of PFP before. And it's not going
to get me the credit that you know, another PP would that I have, but, you know,
eventually it'll be more rewarding long-term if I can really, really brand it.
Yeah, no, it's definitely like, I mean,
and I also think a PFP is what you make it, right?
I mean, like to your point, like apes and apes, you know,
it's not particularly unique to have an ape.
There's a lot of apes out there that have, you know,
a lot of followers, a lot of doodles, a lot of pieces like that. To me, it's like, it's a lot of apes out there that have you know you know a lot of followers a lot of doodles a lot of pieces like that to me it's like it's a consistency of like i know tropo
farmers ape for example or i know clouded's doodle and uh i know oh shiny's doodle right like you see
it um you know even and i i mean she changes it a little more frequently than most but like jenny
from the blockchain's doodle like you know the hard eyes purple hair it's like yep that's jenny and so like like i was in line for the doodles genesis factory and i literally
was like looking at the stickers on the wall i'm like oh there's jenny's doodle there's those
shinies like people put stickers on the wall so it's like to me it's like how you brand it and
what you do and it's one of the reasons why i've been i don't know like where i've been liberal
about using my ape if like you know my my buddy buddy Scott wrote an article for Bloomberg and he's like, hey, I need a picture.
Do you mind signing a thing that says we can use your ape?
I was like, yeah.
And as a result, there's been, you know, some bad stories.
Like they went into the, he apologized.
I was like, it's fine, Scott.
Like I think this is actually good for me anyway.
But like when the ape coin, there was some like slanderous ape coin headlines because remember it opened up like way too high as all coins do an airdrop and then it dropped to like seven dollars which is still an astronomical
number for like a fungible token in this world and there was some bloomberg article about it
losing like the majority of its value right after it dropped uh and then the ape at the top is my
ape right um and there's one that has like an ape that says like ape owned by steve kaczynski not
m&m which is funny because
it is eminem in the article and so like you know to me it's like getting it out there and having
it there and then having it associated with me and it's my linkedin profile it's my uh you know
my twitter profile it's like how you brand it matters um and i agree i think wait it's your
linkedin profile yes sir okay i did not know that that was considered a professional enough picture for LinkedIn.
I like it.
Oh, I don't give a fuck.
I mean, this is what I do, right?
I mean, like...
I thought some said they were pulling them down if it wasn't a human.
That's all...
You got the Steve, just like you get the Doodles founders to slide into your DMs.
You got some LinkedIn execs that are...
You got them greased up, huh?
I think it's fake news.
I don't think they actually were pulling down non-PFPs,
or if they were, it was a short period of time.
But I remember Franklin did it years ago, or years ago.
It feels like years ago, like NFT years ago.
Franklin did it last year, and a lot of people were like,
what are you doing?
And to me, it's like, this is the world I operate in.
And if somebody doesn't want to, like, I'm a big believer in wherever you work,
you should bring your whole self to work,
or you should find a place where you can bring your whole self to work.
And that means that-
Dress like the job you want, right?
Dress like the job you want. That's perfect.
But like, bring your whole self to work.
And part of my whole self is this.
And, you know, does my, you know, a professional headshot that sort of almost like hides?
No, it's like, this is who I am.
And it's part of who I want to be.
And if people say like, oh, those apes are stupid stupid or they're a Ponzi scheme, then that's fine.
Like, give it time.
Like, I'm representing a global brand because this ape is part of my identity.
So I changed it to my LinkedIn profile picture a few months ago.
And I've actually had more requests and more inquiries coming since.
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Zach XPT, it is a project.
It's called Wassies.
It's not a penguin, but it's Wassies by Wassie.
Loomed art, I believe.
And it's a 12, 12 looks like 12 000 12 300 collection i wasn't familiar but lower price of 0.59 i don't know how this one's not never been on my radar but
yeah wow look at that yeah and that and that's a style too sorry i think i accidentally clicked
off mute so sorry if i had background noise there what what he he's doing also that like i double
eyes thing is the style those happy meal toys that uh they're coming out with their mcdonald's have a double eye style uh
style so um but yeah it is i agree with loop though i mean i think branding into something
like shill and villain or what loop's doing or what um you know others like you know zach is
doing are great i also think it's unique um it's also like it's like you said it's not as
much of a hack there's pros and cons it's a lot harder i think at times um so you know it's just
you know i think there's pros and cons to it i think regardless of what you choose i mean to me
it's like i'm part of the thing with me and cap and i think it's worth saying then we'll kind of
run over to punter uh for opinions than eric like with me and cap, I think cap minted his,
I got mine when this was 0.3 and it's not necessarily,
we got this eight for the clout per se.
It really is part of our identity and who we are.
Like we grew up in this community and these pictures mean so much to us that
it's like less about like, Hey,
like we're doing this for clout or because it's the highest,
it happens to be the highest floor price NFT,
which is like, you know, not meant to be a flex.
It's just, it is what it is.
It happens to be there.
When we got these,
we were proud of them when they were 0.3.
We were proud of them when they were 1Eth.
When they went, again, I always tell the story,
Memorial Day weekend, you know, last year,
when this shit crossed over 1Eth,
because, you know, Pranksy and Dingley one eath because you know pranksy and
we've ever had in in the space it was like no no exaggeration like i wore on the floor that first
time breaking through one eath i think was probably the most euphoric the collective
community has ever been yeah exactly and like now people are like oh it's an eath but like
can it go to five or whatever board apes have given everybody a complete unrealistic unrealistic
expectations what nfts can, even with great founders.
But, like, we were just stoked to be over 1Eth, and all it is is us, like, monkey gifts, getting on spaces and shouting,
wag me, oh my god, we're excited, and then getting to know each other even further, and, you know, like, learning about each other,
each other and discussing and talking trash about sports and other things it was just a community
and discussing and talking trash about sports and other things.
It was just a community that was excited.
that was excited so you know for us like i know a lot of people see like a pfp and they're like oh
it's an ape because you're you know you got an ape it's like well no like we have an ape and this
isn't what loop was saying at all but like we have this ape because it represents our entire web 3
journey like to me this represents this and like one other nft which i won't i won't get into but
like this and one other n NFT represent me quitting my job,
me taking the leap and going into Web3,
me trying to chase my dreams for the first time in my life
after 15 years of playing it safe.
And so like when I look at a PFT like this,
when I make it this picture, my LinkedIn picture,
and somebody asks, oh, you got a monkey,
one of those monkeys is your LinkedIn picture.
If it's somebody I know pretty well,
I'll give them the details of, look, this is my, this changed my life. And whether people say it like, you know, in some way or not,
where they're like, oh yeah, you know, like sure, change your life because it's worth a lot of money.
I didn't sell it. If I sold it when it was worth a lot of money, it would have been different.
It changed my life because of the community, the founders, the things I got to do, the friends I
made, the business partners I met, this show, which exists because of this ape and Capsape, like those things matter to us. And so like,
that's the other thing that goes into a PFP. It becomes so much more. So anyway, that was like a
rant on it. But you know, it's funny. It's always interesting to give those qualifiers. I think what
apes have become is, you know, some people look at it as like, oh, it's a flax, it's a digital
Rolex. Like this shit was certainly wasn't a Rolexlex when i bought it right i mean like punks were like oh those apes are cute
you know what i mean when we used to uh when we used to get them and you know again like it goes
back to my point about doodles what makes the doodles community so strong is the people in
that community they don't want to be something else they want to be doodles what makes the what
made the ape so strong is when we were half an eath and one eath we didn't want to be crypto
punks at 50 60 70 whatever eath right we want to be CryptoPunks at 50, 60, 70, whatever ETH, right?
We wanted to be better than them.
We wanted to flip them.
And again, I love CryptoPunks.
It was a friendly banter.
But as the thing kept rising, it's like, that's who we wanted to beat.
Not we wanted to be them.
And I think that's what makes a successful PFP.
Drew's got a Moonbird, right?
I remember at one point, I had other side land with a Coda,
and I had the opportunity to trade it for a moon bird,
which I actually eventually did with some other stuff.
Speaking of moon birds,
Bunch said he's had his on his LinkedIn profile for six months.
So yeah, it's definitely fake news.
Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, he's had his for a long time.
But like you see Drew's moon bird,
it's like when I said I had another side land with a coda
and I could trade it for a moon bird,
he's like, easy trade, go for it.
Why? Because Drew sees the value in moon birds.
Drew sees the value in proof
and he sees it as that great opportunity, right?
And he doesn't want to be something else.
He wants to be a moon bird.
He doesn't want to trade for a mutant.
He wants to own moon birds.
So that's what makes a great brand
is like when you have that identity that ties.
Let's go, I know I ranted for a while.
Let's go Punter, Eric, Goody, then back to Luke.
Punter, GM.
Hey, GM, GM, just recovering from the Web3 Expo here.
I got to listen in a little bit last week, but I do miss my friend Steve ranting.
I hope you guys had a good week. It was an amazing week out in Vegas.
I'd love to touch on that, but just to put my two cents on the PFP thing,
I'd love to touch on that, but just to, just to put my two cents on the PFP thing.
I mean, you know, if you have an iconic NFT, like a punk or an ape, I think it's pretty
much a, you know, a fait accompli, what, what, what you're going to roll with, you know,
I think for, for others in the space, you know, that are maybe trying to develop other
brands or help other brands grow, which is kind of how I see my, my fit into the space.
You know, I do, I do bounce around PFPs. One thing I did try to do was create this sort of iconic orange, yellow, magenta sort of
circle around myself that helps me stand out a little bit. You know, don't want to necessarily
get that hack out there. But, you know, I do change around a little bit to especially like
if I'm going into an MF or space, I want to rock my MF or, you know, if I'm hanging with the Pablos,
I want to do a Pablo and and the goat's the same.
So I will say it's a little different strategy for everybody,
but I don't think there's necessarily a slam dunk either way.
I think it's a personal deal, and everybody's navigating their way through this space
as best as they can, I think.
Orange Circle's interesting. Well done.
I had noticed, but I hadn't noticed like if that makes any sense
i mean if it helps i obviously notice i see it but it didn't like it didn't register in my brain
until you called right maybe it's like maybe it's like a subliminal thing like if you you know what
i mean if it helps you pick me out of a crowd like when we're in a random space then then it's
sort of subliminally doing what i'm hoping it to do well and, and that stuff's real. Tactically, you want to talk tactics,
go look at
Bored Elon.
I guarantee you
that the
color palette, that neon green
that is in his
design PFP,
that color was strategically
selected.
If you remember, I hate to use this as an example but he was you know he understood and executed tactics very well uh if you can think
back beanie used a similar uh i mean fuck i don't know why i keep dropping f on this morning uh
something in the coffee uh blue was that same color of green like it's it is very it makes you
stop it catches your eyes and um you know there's it is very it makes you stop it catches
your eyes and um you know there's little things like this when you get into branding that we're
probably getting way too deep here this morning off of the nft tracks but um we've ran the uh
i don't blued is definitely not a bingo card item but might be the first first mention on
coffee actually yeah i don't think blue i don't think blue gets brought up. I, I did not personally like,
I don't know.
Like it's so funny.
Like obviously like at the time it's blue.
It's one of those things.
Super yetis was this way,
which is funny.
How,
when you look at them,
there are certain things that I missed because they don't match my
criteria.
Like I missed the goblin town run up to nine,
even though they were minting for free when we were at VCon and over to
the war room was talking about them.
And we walked those VCon hallways.
And I'm like, man, people got to be careful.
Like, could be good, but they could get wrecked.
Non-Docs founders, like, not a lot of information about them.
Of course, then they ran to, like, 90s.
And they still are, you know, they're run by an amazing team with AJT in them.
But, like, you know, Blute, I missed because I, like, was like,
this sounds sketchy and it's a weird derivative.
So I had to go check because it's been a minute.
I don't know what I'm following.
But his photo, his PFP, beanie that says, his PFP still is his punk, his punk comic punk.
And it's that background color.
That green is the same.
I bet if you do a...
Pantone?
You're looking for pantone
yeah i bet if you i bet if you match that pantone i bet it is almost identical to
borty lawn and i bet they both i bet they both specifically chose it due to the the impact it
has subconsciously well i mean like even like or at least just to stand out i mean again goblin
town is another good example of a uh you know something that is
very obviously you know a different color palette so it's smart but yeah i don't know i miss blue
i super yeti was another one that like had a quick pop early and i was like you know i stayed away
from this because i don't think they're gonna build a triple a rated game in like six months
and i don't really like the way it goes and then when that art revealed that's one of the first
art reveals i remember where it was like,
the only analogy I had at the time
was way back in the day.
I don't know if people remember this,
so I may lose some people on this one,
but Steph Curry did a shoe that was terrible way back.
And the Steph Curry shoe roast was out of control.
Basically, there are these white shoes
that look like they were like dad lawn mowing shoes.
And the Steph Curry shoe roast was a pretty big one.
It reminded me of the Steph Curry shoe roast
when like super 80s came
and they were like standing off of the planet
and all these other things were going on.
It was like, it was a pretty classic one.
And that was like one of the early ones
where people began to sort of roast
when a PFP just wasn't doing well.
It was funny because some people tried to make fun of doodles for the eye thing,
and they'd like Photoshop their favorite PFPs without the eye,
but it just didn't work because the art was just so amazing.
But, yeah, I don't know. A lot in there.
I threw it into a Twitter search, and the first return tweet is,
Steph Curry finished the playoffs minus 31 after the shoe roast.
Oh, yeah, roast. Oh yeah.
Steph Curry.
Yeah.
You should read it.
There's some good ones.
If you Google it,
you can find some good articles with roundups.
There's Steph Curry shoe roasting.
Look,
I mean,
if the internet funny is funny,
even when it is me getting roasted,
it may not be fun at the time, but like,
you can kind of look back even and say like,
when it's good,
it's good.
You know,
I don't know.
Um, let's funny tweets on the topic of shit
posters there are some good ones on that one yeah it's a classic uh let's run to eric and then we'll
go down to loop eric gm gm gm yeah punter drew good seeing you guys goody too at uh web3 expo
we got to hang out so that's always fun it's always cool we can do these
in real life events because i had a half a dozen people that like walked up and like doubt on where
do i know that name and luckily my my business go you know and twitter got you know screwed but
it's funny you know like the your branding as far as your pfp and like what you have is definitely
what people relate you to um but it was funny that you mentioned
beanie's name that's a name i haven't heard in a few months let alone bloot oh man seeing bloot
and base gold i could get like a quarter of a million dollars back probably um so that's you
know last year and those markets were a completely different place but i just wanted to hop up you
know just say a few words i appreciate everyone i came out to like web 3x but i'm being i'll hang with you guys for things like four days and all the different events and
drew's event at the win where i know we i think it was coolio that was you know pouring the mixers
and um you know it was an awesome time so i'm sad you didn't get to come out steve captain you guys
would have been kids in a candy store no no doubt. Would have certainly enjoyed it.
You said you were pouring mixers to Coolio, I'm hoping, right?
Because Coolio is dead.
No, I'm sorry.
I might be butchering it.
Drew could correct me.
There was an NFT collection.
What was it?
Colton Club.
Yeah, I'm an idiot.
Too early for me, and I haven't had enough coffee.
I was like, this would have been the breaking news of the morning
if Coolio was still with us.
Coolio's alive, and he appeared in Vegas at DGNNFT.
Yeah, Coolio is a big, look.
I mean, we'll see him when we get there.
Classic.
Let's run down to, let's go back to awesome. I know I appreciate you coming up, Eric. Good to see you back as usual. Let's go Goody, then Loop, and then we'll kick it up to Drew and then go to Crypto. Goody, get back in here.
One, in terms of the apes and, you know, even my clone and stuff like that, like on a personal basis, I'm young and I value myself based more on my accomplishments and like intelligence than what I own.
early and getting them cheaper than everybody else to me does not necessarily constitute like
an accomplishment that I'm necessarily you know basing my personality or anything else around
and that's not a shot at anybody that's just on a personal basis um and so I wanted to find like
I've always bounced around because of that and I didn't want people to like look at me as a clone and ape of this and value me based on that because I've over like the course
of my personal life again I've been valued more for monetary things than anything else and it's
one of those you know shitty feelings in person so when it came to like picking a new PFP as well
I like you said I kind of wanted to go that shillin villain king fud or everybody else that's you know you you don't need an
expensive pfp anymore during the bull market like that was seen as the pinnacle of achievement in
the nft space and nowadays people actually listen to you before they judge you based on your picture, which is a lot cooler to me.
And then the other thing is like I'm my plan is to go out in public and try and like actively speak to people that don't know about the NFT space about NFTs.
That in and of itself is not the easiest task. So for me, I went with Adam Bomb Squad in the hundreds
because the hundreds is a recognizable brand
to people that don't know NFTs.
And it's something that they can digest and connect with
on a level that's not crypto or NFTs.
And I think that that to me was a big part of it as well. I wanted something that's not crypto or NFTs. And I think that that to me was like a big part of it as well.
Like I wanted something that, you know, that's not just the monkey pictures or, you know, the moonbirds or this or that.
I wanted something that people could see on the streets that don't know NFTs and be like, oh, Bobby hundreds.
Yeah, I know what that is.
That's dope.
Oh, he has a what's an NFT like all that stuff that would then spawn from that like so those like in in terms again like personal personal experiences those are why i went like
this way with it and like in terms of just in general pfp stuff i think that you know everybody
gets to to make their own brand i kind of like outer lumens take on it though that it's like
clothing that you change it doesn't necessarily it's though, that it's like clothing that you change.
It doesn't necessarily, it's not your face. It's not a tattoo. Like I'm tatted up. And sometimes
I want to change my tattoos. I want to wear a different tattoo. Like, you know, I want to take
my sleeve off and put something else on. So that's like, I do appreciate Outer Lumen's take on it.
But on a personal basis, that's why I went this went this way yeah i think it's a very personal decision i would say people who base their whole personality
around being an ape is a little silly right or a punk or whatever it may be but at the same time
like you know people who are excited about the brand i don't want to knock them too hard so i
think it's a fine line and you know i don't want to go to the point where judging people based on
their pfps one way or another even if it's on the positive side, like saying like, oh, well, you know,
either A, I respect this person because they're an ape or B,
oh, all apes are assholes.
Like, you know, I don't think absolutes necessarily work in any circumstance.
So I think it's a personal decision to your point on that, you know,
that it's important to, you know, feel comfortable with.
I'm just saying personally, and this is just my opinion,
I'm not saying I'm right necessarily,
but from my personal branding standpoint, if Nike changed from the swoosh every other week,
they wouldn't be as recognizable of a brand. Like what's Nike this week wouldn't work, right?
You know, if Apple changed from the Apple logo, you know, to a different Apple, even people would
be like, Oh, is that Apple? Is that a copy copycat what is that um so just from a personal branding standpoint my take is that consistency is important um because people get to know you
as a personality and they get to know the type of things you do and then if there's a sudden switch
or there's constant switches it's like you know they might get lost in the timeline or they might
not be as interested or they might not notice because not because of your pfp but because it's you um you know it's like the same way it's like you know if i you know get a text from my you know
my mother it's going to be more impactful than if i get a text from some random number or something
else or i'm probably going to read it first before the person who you know was a acquaintance who's
reaching out to me for a different reason, you have a personal relationship with people.
And part of that, the closest thing we have to an identifier is your profile picture.
And consistency, if you have your face, it's easy
because you can switch to your face in different situations from time to time, right?
That's an easy thing to do.
But if you're going with an NFT, to me, it's like the equivalent of, again,
I just don't think Nike would switch the swoosh to something different every other week and then say like, oh, that's solid branding. To me, it's like the equivalent of, again, I just don't think Nike would switch the swoosh to something different every other week and then say like, oh, that's solid branding.
To me, it's like the personal branding matters.
Again, I think different strokes for different folks.
And I think Outers is very on brand with her where she kind of like changes to her different pieces depending on how she's feeling that day.
But that also fits Outer and I think some people can do that as well.
Just for me, how I do it and how I think general rule of thumb with
branding is you want sort of consistent look and feel. It's one of the reasons why when there's a
giant rebrand, it's a huge deal when there's a giant rebrand in a company, right? When they
change colors, look, feel, you know, I rebranded the entire recruitment brand for Progressive
Insurance. Like when we completely change our employer and recruitment brand, we change the
colors, the look, the feel, the website, the imagery, the everything. Like that's, that's a
big shift. Now, obviously like we weren't doing a ton of advertising, so it's not like it was out
there, but it had to be cohesive with the progressive brand. It had to have certain
elements to it. And then we wanted to be consistent because when we show up at job fairs
to our top recruiting places, we show up at UVA Darden trying to recruit, you know, or booth in Chicago.
And we're trying to recruit the top sort of talent to be our data scientists, our product
managers.
Well, then we want them to see Rethink Progressive.
We want them to see our booth that's there consistently and say, oh, the Progressive
booth's here.
Now, if we change that every year, people will be like, where's Progressive?
Like, oh, the colors and everything change.
So to me, that's the way I've always approached it personally i'm not saying it's
right or wrong but that's that's sort of the argument for and that it's not necessarily like
oh i'm looking for the most expensive pfp or i'm looking for the cloud it's consistency um to me is
what is what kind of matters in that sense um let's throw to uh i think drew was next and then
we'll go to loop true get in here if you're still at a place
where you can talk i am i am my thumb was uh missing the button good morning gm sir how was
chess uh vegas was awesome um that's a great conference there was a lot of really really
interesting people there i know he's in here. I got to meet and hang out with Von Doom.
What an interesting dude that is.
Just fun stuff.
Yeah, so it went really well.
The panels and the pitches.
I got to judge a pitch contest.
And then Ryan Carson and Zeneca and Von doom and i were on a whale tank and we
had pitches come in there it was just it was really really neat so and and i threw a good
party i know that's gonna surprise you you throw some of my uh favorite parties right i mean like
obviously a lot of people like the big loud ape fest and things like that i always prefer a good
drew barman party that is um it's got a vibe to it.
There is a Rick House Dow vibe that cannot be replicated.
Just the way, like, sort of like, you know, good alcohol, good company,
little speakeasy vibe, good people, right, you know, right atmosphere.
It's always a good time.
I've never had a bad time at a Drew Barman special.
So if you had to pick, like, one highlight, or let's do this before we go back to loop,
like one highlight and one takeaway.
Highlight of the weekend for you personally,
and then the takeaway you have walking out of Vegas, what are they?
Well, the highlight really, and I'm not just saying it because it was my party,
but the highlight was the Tuesday afternoon cocktail party.
We had the on-chain
monkeys there and i'm buying back into that i have i've got a karma and i had a monkey and i
don't remember when i sold it but that was one of the ones that you know didn't make it after
you know a period of time and i'm going back into that um von doom just picked up an on-chain monkey
because they were just so cool to hang out with uh amanda of course who you know well but then the other just the people that were there it was great um so that party was the
highlight for me um and then uh the takeaway you know i'm gonna do more with them with the um
web3 expo we're gonna do some like um smaller, what do you call those smaller cities?
Like Raleigh, you know, it's not L.A. and New York, whatever you call that.
And do some other cities throughout the year kind of building up to Web3 Expo.
And I'm excited about that.
Yeah, you know, and it's really going to be all about the people that I met.
it's really going to be all about the people that I met.
Like I said, you know, I really, you know, got to hang out.
Like I said,
you know,
I really,
you know,
got to hang out.
And I knew Roy from Zeneca from being in three,
three,
three,
and I've had some zoom calls with him and he's very gracious with his
time and his advice,
but getting to sit next to him,
play blackjack and hang out and being on panels with him.
It's just different.
And so I really feel like I got to know,
know some of the people I interact with and I met some new people.
So that's my big one.
Yeah. I think IRL, IRL continues to be undefeated for me i mean that that's what it that's what my takeaway always is even from reading from the sideline is that i see people
who are doing the big irl thing and i think to myself you know i'm um i don't know like i'm
always jealous of missing it but like it's here's the funniest part about irl to me and again i don't
know if this will if i'll convey this point very articulate you know in an articulate manner but
like you know there's all this crazy fud and shit posting and noise and things that happens on
Twitter and then you go and you go to an IRL event and it's none of that you go to an IRL event and
it's amazing people there aren't fights fights. There aren't arguments. Everybody's just chilling together.
The biggest one I have is like, I look at like, you know,
I talk about Drew events, impromptu event that we did in LA.
Drew got out a conference room for us to watch the future proof announcement
that Kevin Rose did.
And then we had an IRL event in NFT LA.
That conference room, we all got really excited.
We had mimosas and coffee and got excited about what they were announcing. And then we all marched to the NFTLA event, or I mean,
not NFTLA event, the LA meetup later that night. And it was just a vibe. It was a great vibe of
everybody just celebrating. Nobody was like, what's the floor? What's the future? Everyone
was just excited about the things they announced and where it was going in the direction.
And you juxtapose that. I looked on Twitter.
I'm like, it's a fucking war zone on my timeline.
People are like, oh my God, oddities, they're saying six months?
Like, what does that mean?
Like, why would I want to wait six months?
And like, everybody there was like, wow, what a fun.
The difference between IRL and Twitter can be so, so drastic.
And I think that that's something that is one of my takeaways from
IRL and why I'm always jealous of IRL events, because I try to have like a positive vibe. Like,
look, I'm realistic. I'm critical. I'm honest when I'm feeling depressed and down. I'm honest when
I'm feeling imposter syndrome. I'm honest when I'm feeling great. But most of the time, my default
mode is being an optimist. And I find that that translates best to IRL when I'm talking to people
who also feel that way when they're IRL. And I think a that translates best to IRL when I'm talking to people who also feel
that way when they're IRL. And I think a lot of people get behind a Twitter keyboard and they
have a different feeling about things. So anyway, I'll put that out there, Drew, but I love that.
Well, and Steve, I can pretty much officially, I mean, I'm sure Rob would back me up on this.
And he may be out there because Web3 is in here, you will be invited to speak next year.
Pretty much guarantee it.
I think you'd be a great fit for the conference,
and they're in here, so I'll get an email if that's not true,
but I think it is true.
You could be in there.
No, I'd love to. I think it'd be great.
Can I add to Drew's story real quick about the cocktail thing?
Drew got to yell at me a little bit, and I'm sure everybody likes to do that.
I was outside at the wrong time during the cocktail party when Drew was starting his whiskey tasting explanation that I recorded and when he went into great detail about and I got I
had the principal yelling at me moment where he's like are you guys coming in or what what I said
was in or out guys are you going to the tasting if you're going get in here I like you address
goody the way I address my dog when it's standing outside with the door open looking at me and I'm
like in or out buddy are you going to the bathroom are you calling it like what's going on here that's funny cap go
ahead i know you're popping in there for my bad go ahead jump in no good you would mention you
just talking about these in real life events and i think i guess it was yesterday over the weekend
you you threw out the tweet about people sleeping on the the proof world tour and and i agree not
not enough has i mean here you got one of the not just a
leading project but arguably one of the most we'll just say one of the most in and i know he's not
this is not fair but what one who could be one of the most inaccessible web3 founders in k row that
um you know he's he's got he has the funding he has the team he doesn't need to be out
there shaking hands and kissing babies but yet yet here they are on this world tour i just didn't
know i i pinned your thread up above i just didn't know anything in addition to add to that
where you see these projects actually taking it you know themselves to the road beyond just the
conferences not just relying on these conference get-togethers but also taking the you know and
doubling down on those meetups.
And I know the, I know there was a more, you know, much more private,
but it was a, there was a,
an eight get together in Miami over the weekend where the founders were in
town and, and Laura and Ilya pulled together a great,
just small intimate meetup. But that kind of stuff is,
I think can't be understated how impactful, how powerful that
is. And I hope we see more and more founders do it. I would say this is the classic example of
the day you plant the seed is not the day you eat the fruit. And I think a lot of people,
I see this a lot with the, you know, again, I mentioned it earlier i and it was kind of related to this
i put out a tweet first of all somebody i think created an account specifically to troll me
because like they've only tweeted at me and they said they're like their their title of the account
is like web3 insiders alt account to expose the web3 elite or something and like it's fine like
they weren't saying anything like egregious or terrible i think they're just trying to market
commentary but like they changed to this and they keep replying to my tweets and both
of their replies are related to like,
how have things affect floor price?
And they say,
that's all anybody cares about.
I like,
and I got that with a couple of people saying like,
Oh cool.
They're doing a work.
I got the two interesting takes I got was like,
one,
somebody said like,
they're doing a world.
I said,
they're doing a world tour.
It's amazing.
Like they could be to your point,
the most inaccessible founders.
And yet here they are meeting,
taking their time to fly to Europe and work on things.
Well, if they're not pausing the work
they're doing on their brand,
they're having meetings and shit,
I'm sure while they're out there,
but they're continuing to meet with people around the world
and not be ethnocentric to the United States.
So they went to Europe.
I know that they planned one,
I believe in Asia and Australia.
And the two interesting replies is like, one person said like, oh, it's not a world tour.
Are they going to go to Africa or whatever? And like, you know, I understand their point. Like,
I think people use the term global, myself included, sometimes a little too generally
relating to, you know, Europe or even Asia and like leave other continents out. There's seven
of them, right? Somebody did reply. They're like, yeah, they need to hit Antarctica next, bro.
But I think the guy had a good point. Like he like saying like look they should do you i've taken this from you
on the show steve even in my personal life i used to use the word global and i've replaced it with
multinational yeah oh yeah i've been using that more often and i use the term global because of
space and reasons and everything like that and like he's like oh global and i'm like look my gut
i agree with his premise but my gut is that i'm guessing proof is doing their tour based on what's most efficient to meet the most holders based
on their holder base.
Like I'm guessing they know that and have looked into that.
And they're not just going to like fly to like, you know, Namibia and say like, okay,
let's have a meetup.
And then nobody shows up.
Right.
There's, there's reasons for that.
Like, not to say there aren't holders all over the world, but I'm guessing that they
plan their tour based on where people are.
Number one, number, but number two, he's right.
I do need to be more conscious of language.
Words matter.
And that was one that was more of a spacing reason.
So like,
that was fine.
A couple of people brought that up,
but one person was like,
it's not going to affect the floor price,
which is all that people care about.
And again,
this is my point.
Like the day you play at the seat is not the day you eat the fruits.
Set it before.
I'll say it again.
Number one,
I think like,
we'll see what happens with floor price. None of us know it's all crap shooting a gamble. My first thought when I
see things is how cool is this? Or how does this affect me as a holder? What I get to do? Or how
does this affect my community? Because the W in Wagme is we and it doesn't mean that I'm going to
go to England or I'm going to go to Lisbon and we're going to meet with the, you know, proof team.
But it means that the Wagme, the we in Wagme are people all over the world who maybe feel
like they don't have the opportunity to get to NFT NYC, or maybe they don't have the
opportunity to go to LA for a future proof event.
And it's awesome that they've taken the time where they put their whole team on a plane
with their, which they don't have to do, which is an expense.
Like it's not cheap to fly an entire group of people overseas do hotels and do this
tour and they're meeting with those people just to give them those special interactive personal
moments and the strength of that community you know long term short term who knows long term
how many of those people you met with do you think are going to say like oh i'm going to sell now
right they're going to meet with the founders they're going to have those conversations they're
going to realize who they are what they're doing and they're going to meet with the founders. They're going to have those conversations. They're going to realize who they are and what they're doing. And they're going to say,
I kind of want to ride with this group. And so I think like, you know, that's something that I
think it's underestimated. And I think like so many people get caught in short-term floor price
things. And I'm not saying like, don't make money. I'm not saying don't take a profit. There's nuance.
There's like different pieces to it, right? Like, I'm not shaming anybody if they sell.
I'm simply saying
that if you're trying to ride with this group, like, if all you're thinking is, oh my God, like,
how is it affecting the floor price? You know, that's not what this is about. This is about
a personal touch to a community. They are building a community inherently. Like, that is a key
pillar of Web3 in any way, shape, or form. There is no other way to say it. Community is a key
pillar. And they're building that as well as anybody else with what they're doing.
Nobody else is doing anything like this.
And it's how they're, people are like, how are they spending all this money they made?
It's like, well, they're going on a tour.
They're going on a world tour.
They're spending their money.
People are like, oh, now you're, and you can't have it a bold way.
Someone's like, oh, congrats on spending the holder's money, you know, that you made to go on a travel trip.
It's like, well, not everybody's doing doing that and you ask how they're spending the money
this seems to be an effective way to do it so for me personally stuff like that or even what
the founders did the impromptu founders thing in in in miami with board api club accessibility is
something that is not going to be accessible founders not something that's going to exist
forever and i i personally am uh you know i'm personally a fan of what they're doing and I think it is a strong long-term community play.
Let's go Loop, then we'll go One in a Million Loop.
I know you've been waiting to get back in, jump in.
Yeah, I completely agree with the IRL events.
It really brings a lot of context
and solidifies relationships.
I think it's the best part of Web3
when you actually go and have those experiences and to kind of connect it back to what you were saying earlier about, you know, I do think that there's a lot of missed opportunities in spaces and in real life events to get really good insights from like some of the top people in the space.
And, you know, like there there is a lot of really, really smart people in the space that are accessible and still have imposter syndrome.
So they they they don't think that they're that great.
And you can you can reach out to them and they will answer and they will give you really good insights.
Like I have a good example of this recently.
of this recently. I was in a space and, you know, everybody was just grilling Frank about
royalties and basically just, you know, question after question after question of why do you go to
0% royalties, which is important, right? But, you know, there at that point, there had been 19
threads written about it. And he said the same thing over and over again, like 65 times, right?
And I was able to ask him a question more about, you know, kind of the unique experiences
he's had as a founder. And it was really insightful. Like it was, he had a fantastic
answer. And it was such a good answer, I wrote a thread about it. Like it was actually really,
really good insight. And, you know, I think that's how the space moves forward is like
shared learnings and not, you know, kind of bickering over the small stuff.
You know, I think there's a big opportunity to kind of zoom out and look at where we're
at as far as, you know, this, this nascent of a market and try to find those learnings.
Like, you know, something, something Luca Nets said to me the other day is like, this
is, this is the hardest thing he's ever had to do is be a, be a web three founder, because
you're kind of like a you get all
the all the bad things of a startup and all the bad things of a public company like you're you're
like a publicly traded startup which is like the hardest position to be that's maybe the most
profound phrase to summarize this space i've i've ever heard it's yeah it's like it's it's it's
it's insanely accurate too it i've never put those words together it's so simple but yet it's insanely accurate, too. I've never put those words together.
It's so simple, but yet it's like, wow, that's it.
That's exactly what building in Web3 is like.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like we recently just opened our Discord, and I feel the pressure every single day to
make sure everyone in there is feeling good and having a good time.
And it's, you know, it is, it is, it's so true. And, you know, I think
that's, that's really important to just like find those insights and, you know, spend time and maybe,
you know, maybe there's opportunity, like, there's not that many good podcasts. And there are lots of
good spaces, but there's not, there's not too many of them that have, you know, great, great hosts
like you guys, honestly. And, you know know I think there's a huge opportunity there like
the the way that we're going to move forward is is finding those unique insights like I try
through my Twitter to to give insights as I'm going through the founding process because you
you really face a lot of weird unique challenges that no one really thinks about but it's you know
the way that we move forward and the way that we grow
is to like connect people that that have gone through it and just like share those insights
and try to learn from each other and, you know, just kind of, you know, plunge forward.
Yeah, I love a couple things that you said there. Number one, that's one of the reasons why I love
what I get to do with the on chain monkey spaces is like, you know, I think a lot of people are like you know so stuck in the moment they're like
you know like you said like Frank zero percent royalties it's like even though he's answered
it 60 times it's like they're asking the same question same question same question and it's
like here you have access to these amazing founders who are doing crazy things you know
and like similar to us like Luca showed up when we were talking about pudgy penguins
and it turned into an interview because Cap and i just go into like curiosity mode and just start
you know nailing it question down after down after that like what is your you know like talking about
that because that's the part that's interesting to me when i talked to the founder of twitch
the other day at on chain monkey like a week or two ago um you know the things i want to know was
like how did justin tv go to twitch what did
you do when competitors came into space youtube was coming up with it why do you think people
want to watch other people game which is an obvious one to me because i've done it since
i was a kid with nintendo but like what made you think this was going to be a phenomenon like how
did you adjust to like what happens when like literally you became like this porn streaming
site and then what did you do there and like people were using it for that and then like
you shut that down, but then you,
what are these things that happened with Twitch that like,
along the way that shaped you and how you did it and how you became successful?
How,
I used to,
how it changed when Amazon acquired them,
right?
Like,
those are the things I want to know as a person who hasn't experienced these
amazing things that they've been through and they have insights that they can
share and wisdom. And, you know, like he talked about this one obvious point where he was like
honestly man like early on we weren't as successful because we weren't really listening to our users
we were building what we thought they want which is important we should have a point of view he's
like but then we started asking him what we wanted and suddenly our product got really good
and it's like it seems obvious but when you hear a founder from Twitch give the exact tactical example of how he did it, you're like,
oh, I should implement that in my world. So I totally agree with you on that. And that's an
important thing that we're doing. Also, I'll probably talk about it next week at some point,
because I got to actually get it started. But I'm actually, I'm going to start an interview-based
podcast pretty soon, just because it's something I've always wanted to do.
And now that I've got these connections and amazing people that I talk to on a daily basis, Luke included.
Luke is one of those people.
And Will from Cryptoys and Ryan Carson and Justin Mizell from Moonbirds.
And I want to get, aka Stevie actually, on from Moonbirds, Amanda, because I think she slept on with all she does there from a community standpoint and vibes.
And, you know, those are the type of things that I want to do. So I'm going to do it at some point, the announcement I'm dropping today
about something I wanted to do first. Um, but after that's out there, I'll probably talk about
the podcast pretty soon and get that going. Cause that's something I've always wanted to do. And
it feels like we're ripe for, I think to your point, there aren't a whole lot of interview
shows that dive deep on their experience.
And it's something I've been doing on spaces that I was like, well, you know what?
I think I could do this.
So I have a name and a logo and everything.
Shout out to Norm the Unicorn from Clubbies and Clubbies is minting.
It's awesome.
Who worked on the art for that.
And I, yeah, I'll be doing that pretty soon.
I'm excited for that.
So I just think it's important because I do think to your point,
we have so much to learn.
And I don't think these people that I know, like, is Luca Nets going to be accessible to me forever?
I don't know. Like he's, he's so he's running a major company that's doing so well. And it's like,
I just, you know, so I think it's, it's kind of critical to kind of get some of that good
information out there. So I, you know, I'm glad you brought that up. Cause that's something I've
been thinking about for a little bit and I actually need to take action on here pretty soon.
Yeah, absolutely.
If I can help and source any good interviews, I'd be happy to.
Yeah, I think it's super important.
And yeah, people are accessible.
A year ago, I had like 12 followers and I reached out to this guy that I was in a community with
who has the highest trading volume of anyone of anyone on OpenSea.
But I, you know, I reached out with an insightful question and added some value to him.
And he answered in like six minutes.
And like, like people are really accessible and they really do like have imposter syndrome.
Like they don't think that they're the cream of the, like some people do, but they don't
think they're the cream of the crop and these amazing, you know, founders and entrepreneurs.
And they will realize that
when their project kind of reaches a certain threshold,
but they're way more accessible than you think.
Absolutely.
And that's what I think is like,
you know, shoot your shot, send that DM
because like a lot of things,
it's like if you DM, you know, traditionally,
like, I mean, I'll just come up with on the top of mind
because he actually does a really good podcast. Like you DM, you know, traditionally, like, I mean, I'll just come up with on the top of mind because he actually does a really
good podcast.
Like you DM Logan Paul, Logan Paul is probably not going to respond to you.
You know, like you DM Mike, his co-host,
he's probably not going to respond to you.
You know, you DM, you know, Luca or somebody else,
and you've got an actual insightful point, not just like, hey, bro,
what's up?
Or like, hey, what's going on?
It's like, if you have an insightful question or point or thought,
there's a pretty good chance you're getting a response. Um, you know, it,
it happens. I mean, Gary V I remember early on in my, in my journey,
I sent a DM to Gary V and he responded to me and I was like, damn,
like this dude's got a massive following and a bunch of time, you know,
things doing and he barely has time on his hands, but he gets in the, uh,
he gets in his Uber and he starts answering DMs. So it's pretty awesome.
Let's actually go one in a million.
Let's go one in a million next, and then we'll keep rotating.
GM, everyone.
Steve, I just got pumped up when you said that.
Is it going to be more of like a daily short form, like 10-minute interview
or like a weekly, or have you figured that out?
Because you're such a great interviewer, and those are always favorite 10 minute interview with steve 10 minute intro maybe um you know it'll
be it'll be um it'll be captain just like captain just lost it um no i'd say um like like like this
actually might be a bit like you could do another like your youtube shorts could be 10 minute 10 minute interviews
with steve but it's just the intro it's just the intro for your actual show and be like yeah i'll
give the intro to like and talk to like how i'm talking and give like luca's whole background and
everything like that and then like that'll be but it's not even the intro it's just like a cold open
that's not relevant to the show it's just it's just the setup for your actual show yeah i'll um
i'll be um i'll be doing, what's it called?
I'll be doing, my initial thought,
One in a Million, just because of time capacity,
is going to be weekly.
I'll probably try to get two or three in the can early on
and then have them edited
that maybe are a little more evergreen
and then start trying to back them
even if they're a little bit less dated.
So less like, hey, what's going on right now?
And more, who are you?
What makes you tick?
Talk about your project.
Talk about what you're working on.
What's the direction you're going?
So the goal will be probably like once a week.
If there's an ability to increase frequency, maybe.
But I have a few jobs at the moment that I'm trying to navigate
and make sure I continue to give the proper time to.
So in my ideal world, I could do a couple a week because once I started making a list,
I'm like, there's so many people I want to talk to from founders to people like, you
know, a Josh Ong or, you know, or Laura or people like that or Outer Lumen or people
who I just think have amazing stories to tell.
So I'd love to do more than one a week.
But the chances of me being able to do more than one a week are probably low from a capacity standpoint, uh, unless I'm able to hire someone or get an intern or something like that,
that I could pay to, to help me out with that. So, so once a week interviews, but anyway,
that's kind of, that's kind of that. Nice. I'm excited because, uh, you always do great
interviews and those are always my favorite episodes on coffee and like the favorite pods
that I listened to, like the business geek stuff of hearing people talk about that. I've talked with Cap about that too, about the pods
that we listen to. So I'm excited for when you put that out there. But the reason I had to throw my
hand up was when first you're talking doodles and then PFPs. And as you can see, mine is for people who don't know a, uh, oil-based painting on canvas of Steve's doodle.
And the way that came about is, uh, over the summer, I was trying to onboard my wife and
she always just asked like, why the hell I'm on spaces all day and, and doing this.
Um, but she's very creative and she, uh, is a teacher during the year.
But for the summer, I was like, here, I'll buy you a bunch of canvases and paint and see what you do. And I gave her probably like 20 people that I like interact with in the space favorite. So I thought that spoke to, you know, like how bullish you are on doodles out of like hundreds of PFPs, like NFTs that she found.
That was the one that she wanted to draw.
And then obviously her she's kind of like outer.
She's kind of a firecracker and said, fuck this.
I'm not going to do it exactly.
I'm going to do it in my vision.
So it's not exactly his.
But I wanted to throw that out there
since we were on PFPs as well as.
And then finally, I wanted to ask Steve for your permission,
even though I've been rocking this for like a month.
I don't want to look like a poser.
I don't own that NFT, but formally ask on a recorded space,
is it cool with you that I rock this,
my wife's painting derivative of your PFP?
You are 100% cool with that, and absolutely.
And I think your point about doodles is a strong one, personally.
Like, I do. I think, like, obviously, like, I'm a big fan of doodles, but, like, you know, to me, like, that is, like, I always go to my kids for certain things.
Because my kids, like things because my kids like
kids are dead honest they'll tell you the truth about things and also if you want to know where
things are going it's always a good idea to keep an eye on the younger generation because they tend
to move things forward social media and tiktok was stupid till it wasn't right like if people
thought it was stupid then now it's a big deal and it's a big marketing deal right um and there's
a lot of things you can look to to kids and what they know and my kids when i came back from like south by i pulled out a thing of stickers
and from like the backseat of the car at a quick glance my my my son goes are those doodles those
are doodles like he saw the bag that things were in and he knew the doodles on the bag he knew like
the throw up doodle was a doodle because of the colors and the eyes and everything.
Like my kids can identify a doodle.
If I show them something and say, which NFT is this?
You know, I mean, they're pretty good.
So they could name apes.
They could, you know, maybe they'd be able to get
some gutter cats, some moon, maybe.
But like beyond the shadow of a doubt,
the most identifiable one for them is doodles.
They know doodles.
They love doodles.
You know, so I think, you know, to your point your wife's saying like oh i like that that just shows you the power of brand
and the power of you know that there's something there and you know it's one of the reasons why
i'm you know i don't think cool cats is is dead is you know a lot of people are like oh cool cat
they've fallen from like 17e to this and you know milk's market cap is only you know five hundred
thousand dollars and it's so low and blah blah blah it's like right but like look at the cool cats like if they can find a way
to make that work that ip is so identifiable and meaningful that people will associate with it
regardless of sort of age demographic etc so um you know pudgy penguins is another one that really
fits into that so i think it's a really good point, one in a million. I'll throw in real quick too, Steve. The second one she did, like, so we've got kids.
My daughter is your daughter's age,
and then we've got three others that are younger.
But same thing, the kids related to it,
but my wife related to it because she thought the kids would like it.
The second one she picked to do was World of Women,
which she related to, and she thought that was cool.
So just wanted to throw that out there.
I totally agree with everything you just said. That beautiful it's beautiful no i think it's great
um let's kick down let's keep going around hands um new hand new person on stage i don't know if
you've seen before um marianne uh gm how are you doing this morning hello actually actually i am a
new person this is first time i see your space i don't know who i'm following in here for it to
like show up thank you so much and i wanted to say that you guys are great hosts and co-hosts i didn't have
the chance to follow you yet because i was working while listening but i'm definitely gonna follow
you and like join join the space more often i i love the way you host and you're amazing and all
the speakers are literally like i love the insight that everybody that everybody
is putting and speaking of World of Women I got my WoG as an opportunity to like join the community
before everything like goes south south in space and I'm really happy with it it's my
Web3 identity and yeah I'm happy that your wife has a woe.
One thing that I wanted to say, Steve, it really, really, like, hit me when you spoke about how people are, like, criticizing how proof are, like, doing the world tour.
Like, I wanted to say that whatever, like, this is something I've been thinking about for a while
now and whatever you were trying to do like even if you're the best person on the planet and even
if like you haven't done anything wrong your whole life there are people who are always going to try
to find something bad about you and talk about it and talk shit about it and not be satisfied with whatever you do because i
mean at the end of the day this is why the concept of having something niched created like not
everybody likes uh animal nfts pfps not everybody likes 3d not everybody likes pixelated this is a
very small example so people always want to especially in NFTs, because it's purely based on supply and demand.
They want to like, we have seen the biggest influencers in the space, like post tweets just for them to have like an exit liquidity and like pump their bucks, you know.
So they would talk shit about a project and talk better about another project.
they would talk shit about a project and talk better about another project.
Every single person will try to find something bad about something else
just to maybe make themselves feel better.
Maybe, I don't know.
So as long as you guys or anybody,
if we have newbies in the space here listening,
as long as you are doing something that you like maybe it's purely
because you like the art maybe it's purely because you like the team as long as you've done your
research and everything if you're satisfied with what's happening don't give a fuck about what
people are saying because even if they are like the most experienced person on earth somebody is
going to talk shit about it and maybe this person is like an influencer and everybody will start agreeing with them just not to feel left out so don't
listen to people just follow your gut and believe in the team that you believed in since day one
and even if the floor price is like who cares about the floor price at this point it's just
like i've joined i want to buy there There's an NFT I want to buy.
I'm not even looking.
I don't even know what's the floor price for World of Women Galaxy right now.
I bought it at like 2 ETH.
And I don't really, I don't even care about what the floor price is.
Because it's a community that represents me.
And the team represents me.
And I'm really proud and satisfied with all the all the work that the
the World of Women team has been putting they're amazing I don't really care about the floor press
you know it's just a community that I wanted to be part of and more than that there's something
that people are missing and are neglecting to understand in the web 3 space is that for example
if you want to talk about web two things um a marketing mistake a
marketing mistake for example you have tons and tons of books and experts with a lot of experiments
that show why that is a mistake and how to escape it and how to do it right however people are not
realizing that in web 3 we are innovators we are. We don't have books that show how to do this and how to do that.
We are creating the trends.
It's all based on trial and error.
There is nothing for a person or a team or a founder to base themselves on.
They're just trying.
And everybody wants something new.
So if you want something new, you need to expect that there's a lot of mistakes that's going to happen.
And you need to stick by your team in order to help them make this thing succeed.
We don't have years and years of experience in this. This is something that we are creating.
We are the books that people in the future will be reading.
that people in the future will be will be reading just like just like you read about i don't know
philosophers like i'm definitely not comparing us to like the biggest and greatest philosophers
out there but they were creating those those ideologies and they weren't some of them some of
them weren't even popular until years after they were dead because nobody understood what was
happening just like it's happening right now so just just use whatever use the experience and your knowledge to like realize
that some founders of course there are a lot of scams and drugs and a lot of people with bad
intentions but if a team is trying hard believe in them because they are trying to innovate and
pioneer stuff for you i am not a founder. I do something else in the space.
But I really do believe that some teams are trying their best
in order to make something for their community.
And a lot of people are whether talking shit about them
or holding them accountable more than they deserve for their mistakes.
So thank you for this.
And thank you for listening to me.
And I'm sorry if I took a lot of time.
And I'm definitely going to be joining those spaces more often
because they're amazing.
Always feel free to pop through.
Great having you talk.
It's great meeting you this morning.
Love your insights.
You know, the two analogies I made, it's funny.
Sometimes I compare it to like,
look, when people are trying new things,
founders sometimes get bit because they try something different. It doesn't work. But you know, you two analogies I made, it's funny. Sometimes I compare it to like, look, when people are trying new things, founders sometimes get bit because they try something different. It doesn't
work. But no, he said like pioneers, somebody needed to eat the berries on the bush to find
out if they were poisoned. And if they got sick, then they were poisoned. If they didn't get sick,
they weren't. And that's, that's what's happening in this space. And, um, you know, I, I made this,
I had this tweet one time and it actually, like a lot of people were like, oh, I can associate
with this. Cause I think as founders, a lot of times we don't talk about, or as people who are entrepreneurs, we don't talk about, you know, the mental health aspect, the things that we're going through.
And I remember the closest analogy I have to like what it's like, like being an entrepreneur for the first time in my life is when I was my first job out of college, I got a job as a television reporter in Yakima, Washington, of all places.
And as I'm driving across, I was driving through Montana. Montana is beautiful when you get into it. But in December, Montana can be a little bit
sketchy. And people don't realize if you take Montana and moved it across the United States,
it goes from Washington, DC. It's a massive state. So as I'm driving through this state,
I'm all of a sudden becomes nighttime. And I'm like white knuckling driving through the mountains,
trying not to spin off the road in the middle of the mountains as I go through
like the cascades and I'm getting, and then out and like barely staying on the road.
I don't know where I'm going.
I can't see.
It's like, you know, you're just trying to figure it out.
We're trying to drive as safely as possible.
Truck goes by and you have to like sort of navigate it really closely.
And then all of a sudden these lights come on and I'm in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho,
and there's cars and there's people. And it's the most beautiful overlook I've ever seen. And then all of a sudden, these lights come on, and I'm in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
And there's cars, and there's people, and it's the most beautiful overlook I've ever seen.
And it was this crazy analogy where it's like all of the mental health shit and the hurdles and everything that you go through,
and then this end result that you have, and then you go back through the tough things, don't get me wrong,
but it was like, it was almost like this analogy I had that like really fit where like,
I'll have these days where I just feel like I'm down in the trenches and nothing's right and everything's terrible and then there's this beautiful ending and then you're like this is
why i do this and this this moment whether you have like a great space is a great interview when
we did a spaces on i mean we did a like six hour space when rider rips uh was was was dropping
accusations about board at Yacht Club.
And we had this wonderful discourse conversation where everyone was heard.
And we had a really good.
And it's like you leave something like that and you're like, I feel great about that.
Like, I feel like we did something awesome, right?
Where we had really tough conversations and we had Lara up here and we had Illa up here
and we had Franklin up here.
And we had people who were talking about where they felt attacked, how they felt about it, what their point of view.
And like, we're able to like learn and listen.
And those moments are, are magical to me.
Like those moments are.
And so it's like, that was quarterly in Idaho.
Right.
It's like, I'm not flooding Montana, by the way, Montana is beautiful.
It's just, if you're driving at like midnight through like the dark of Montana or whatever
time it was in December on icy roads. It's terrifying. Montana is beautiful.
But like, I always think about that and I try to map back and be like,
get myself in because quarterly is coming.
And I try to tell myself that when I'm going through bad times,
one more quote and then I'll kind of keep going to hands. Um, you know,
like you talk about like people like missing when they,
there's a quote that I love. Um, cause I have this like group of quotes on my,
on my phone.
Cause I used to write them every day on my whiteboard in my office.
And then I would like take a picture and,
and,
and,
and,
and,
you know,
for this folder I had.
And one of my quote of the days where when you're different,
sometimes you don't see the millions of people who love you for who you are.
All you notice is the person who doesn't.
And I could do a much better job not doing that myself.
yeah,
Marianne,
really,
really appreciate you coming in this morning.
feel free to stop by anytime.
We'd love to have you continue to have you up here. Um, let's keep rotating. Let's go, um, let's go, yeah, Marianne, really, really appreciate you coming in this morning. Um, feel free to stop by anytime. We'd love to have you continue to have you up here.
Um, let's keep rotating.
Let's go, um, let's go, uh, puncher, goodie, then outer, uh, puncher.
Go ahead and get back in here.
Hey, GM, uh, Marianne, first of all, uh, welcome to the space and thanks for that.
Um, the passion in your, in your voice and, and what you said really resonated with me.
Um, you know, one of the things I did want to talk about a little bit today,
while it's still relevant, is my experience at Web3 Expo.
I don't want to necessarily, like, hog the space or anything.
But one thing I will say is, you know, showing up to IRL events in a down bad market,
like in the teeth of a bear market, it really, and I'm not saying this in an egotistical way,
but I really feel
like the people who show up when we're down bad are the people that are really in this for the
long term, are really here to build. I appreciated meeting those who I met for the first time. I got
to meet Ryan. I got to meet Gabe. I got to meet Amanda Terry. And I'm not just running down a
list of names, but I had access to these people because, I mean, frankly, there just weren't, I mean, it was well attended, thank goodness, at the end of the day.
But it really, it wasn't like a mob scene where I couldn't walk up and say, hey, you know, Punter here, like, nice to meet you.
But anyway, Cap, maybe I can have time another day because I feel like we're going to be winding down soon.
But I would love to just give everybody my experience at the Web3 Expo because it really was a special time.
Yeah, I think, I mean, we've got Steve,
we've got a special guest Steve tomorrow joining co-host Steve and I.
I won't need a ton of time.
I think we could do Web3 Expo in full force tomorrow
and just actually make it like the dedicated topic
because I want to hear more about it because I totally agree with Punter.
Like one of my biggest recommendations, and obviously like everyone's financial situation is different.
Do what you can afford, whatever.
But when people say I really am interested in getting into Web3 and figuring stuff out,
my biggest piece of advice is always show up to swing the bat in these IRL events.
Because besides the fact that IRL is such a different vibe than Twitter,
as I was mentioning earlier,
there's like shit posting and fighting all this.
And then you get into IRL and everybody's who shows up is amazing and
they're builders and they're excited.
It also gives you the opportunity to meet some great people.
And I've had opportunities and met great friends and had great experiences
because I show up these things.
So I think tomorrow will be a great day to kind of hit on that.
I won't need a ton of time tomorrow.
We got to give quick shout out to crypto pain, uh, for winning, winning, uh,
at least Twitter during coffee this morning says trying to convince an empty
bark to watch house of dragon. It's like trying to convince me to buy a doodle.
Uh, I agree. This might have to be our next, but what happens first?
You watching house of dragon or me buying a doodle?
Yeah. Like you buy the doodle cap and I will uh i will watch house of dragons uh i promise um
that that that's a commitment i i love doodles that much um but yeah no it's it's it's good
punt i think we could definitely do let's plan on this like barring like a fucking announcement
from board h tonight or something like that um or something crazy uh happening in the space
let's plan on
tomorrow anybody who was at web3 expo so like goody you gave a little insight i know drew gave
him insight punter let's have everyone back and let's let's re-talk and let's rehash web3 expo
because i think i want to hear more about like the insights the conversations like that's where
the value is you know i i got a lot of value like south by there was like different alpha that you
had about things that were exciting.
And we had that recap and same with NFT NYC.
I mean, look, after the first NFT NYC, what was the alpha we gave immediately?
Mutants are three ETH and they're undervalued.
Next thing you knew, they were $100,000 floor because we were like, they get all the same access.
They get awesome things. So these insights that come out of these things, and I'm not saying they're all financial, are really noteworthy.
So I think it's worth doing.
Let's go outer than Goody than Bundy.
And then we'll probably wind down here
because I know, I mean, Ryan's on stage.
Ryan Space coming up at 1030.
Always a great one that we like to hand off to as well
and send people over there.
If you're trying to continue to radio listening for the day,
that's the best place to go at 1030.
Let's go Outer than Goody than Bundy.
Outer, jump in.
Hey, GM.
So I wanted to give flowers to an IRL event, actually.
You know how, like, last week I was fighting a different IRL event
where they decided to segregate a bunch of, like, females.
Did you go to a Dave Matthews show over the weekend?
I did not watch because Divide is in Barcelona.
No, no, no, no, no.
I must have cut out.
I said, did you go to a Dave Matthews show over the weekend?
Oh, no.
Oh, my God.
You did cut out.
Yeah, no.
But I'm totally up for going to that resort thing.
That would be hilarious.
Like, make it a Web3.
A Web3 gathering.
Dave, Dave, Dave.
Like, there's going to be gonna be everyone's gonna be wearing our
nft like stuff like who are all these nerds and like mutant ape hoodies like it's like what's
going on here let's wear our our ape merch and show up and check it out but yeah okay let me
throw flowers at nft nyc slash london because this happened i have like two two things i want
to say one is give flowers to this and then something like so wholesome that happened that I think is adorable okay so and yes I'm divideless until he comes back from Barcelona
um okay so NFT London which obviously is put on by the folks that do NFT NYC um I wrote to them
and I was like because I thought that maybe it was okay for me to bring my kid who's who's 11 because he's coming to London with me.
And that's just the way it's going. And I remember like I was able to bring Divide into NFT NYC just for like my talk because nobody cared.
So he just sat in the audience and like waited for me. And I thought I'll do the same thing.
But then I'm like, no, because this isn't like what if what if there's issues, right?
Like I should make sure. So I wrote them an email and just being like just being like hey like what does it look like to bring an 11 year old uh to the conference
and um you guys they wrote back and I have to throw like major fucking flowers at these guys
so the first thing they wrote they're like we hope he will not be bored happy face I'm like oh my god
this is amazing so then they're like here's his own
VIP badge because like you know you have you have like speaker stuff and there's separate rooms and
whatnot so obviously we want you to watch your own kids so he's got to register as well so I'm like
okay and and this is the part that's amazing obviously they're like you know keep an eye on
him but they said I recommend that while you're on stage that we pair you with a volunteer so that a volunteer could hang out with him, either in the
green room or in the audience so that he's not he doesn't feel like completely alone while his
mom is being a boss. So I just thought, holy fuck, like how empowering is that for like anybody,
right? Like just a parent to be able to bring their kid and have the whole conference be like,
we got you. No problem. Just fucking like go to and uh and we'll take care of it and so this is the segue
into my like personal news which i think is so wholesome and cute so then i had to register him
and i'm going inside a lumen so i'm like what the fuck do i put for you i'm not gonna dox you
like that would just be weird so so we picked a name for him, which is like one of our nicknames that our dog gets because he likes it and he uses it for his Roblox anyway.
And what was really hilarious is that then when I told him that he's now like, you know, a VIP attendant at NFC London, he's like, yeah, but I don't have an ETH address.
So Divide and I set him up. Gotta get the ENS. So Divide and I set him up. He's got the ENS. He's like, yeah, but I don't have an ETH address. So Divide and I set him up.
Got to get the ENS.
So Divide and I set him up. He's got the ENS. He's got OpenSea. He bought himself. We threw a
little bit of ETH in there for him. And then I went to visit his OpenSea and he wrote,
and it says, my parents are Outer Lumen and Divide by Zero. And I'm like, oh my God,
that is the cutest thing ever. Anyways, he bought a crypto kitty and uh and then i sent his um i
sent his address to a friend of mine like on the hash masks team because he's like an og whale
also punk and so like like ryan and so i'm like yo dust out your hidden folder and spam my kid
i also send him a bunch of stuff i'm like this is like he doesn't care right he's just excited
to have NFTs.
And it's such like a wholesome Web3 thing for him.
Anyways, now he wants his own Twitter account. So we'll see if 11-year-old, you know,
Outer Lumen and Divide by Zero Progeny
will show up in his space one day.
But it's been so exciting to empower him.
So he's officially onboarded.
And yeah, so if you want to dump anything
from your hidden folder
in his wallet dm me i'll let you know oh i might i might have to do that you're amazing he may be
getting spammed he's gonna get all my all my tax loss harvesting is going to outer lumen sun instead
of a burn wallet now which is good you know instead of yeah mako tacos it's not gonna be long
and like the like steve's kids and outer and divides kids are be, there'll be, when they refer to historical NFTs,
it'll be what the ones like that their parents hold in their wallets.
Yeah, it'll be, yeah.
I just think it'll be hilarious if our kids one day meet
and they're just like looking at each other wallets
and they just have the same rugs in there.
That would be amazing.
Yeah, just because we all keep sending them to them.
I know.
I'm like, what do I send to you?
How about this party penguin?
There you go.
He's like, oh, a penguin.
Does it come with the bear?
Yeah, have the bear too.
Actually, it's, yeah, it's pretty hilarious.
He bought one for himself.
He bought a project.
He just, he's just looking at OpenSea.
And it's like, it's amazing to see like what,
like now the product designer and service designer in me is like,
what are you picking?
Now I'm like instantly like instantly
putting him into like a segmented audience of child perusing open sea i'm like what projects
are you attracted to i have to not do that but yeah anyway that's my that's my summary that's
i am curious so what that what that onboarding looks like for someone like i guess so as i'm
understanding like he's starting on open sea as opposed to nft twitter is this is this like
yeah is that that's a really good question like what is that what's like in i guess it's like
probably a lot of the trending and that that home page and how that ui flows i know there's been an
update recently but i haven't i haven't looked at it through like the perspective of someone brand
new like that it's interesting he asked right away he's like can i buy a hash mask i'm like yeah no first of all nothing of value is going in that wallet because i want you to just
like you know you do you but you gotta get rugged at least once first oh of course yeah and and so
and he's already knows that from playing roblox we talked about that before but yeah it's kind of
an interesting thing to think about the onboarding because he has us to kind of just onboard him
right away and set stuff up and explain it to him um and then i just told him
like you know be careful like this is now no this is not roblox right it was really cool actually to
make that comparison for someone who plays roblox and understands monetary value actually like
to get serious for a second this is a mine that gets that you take cash and you convert it into
robux and then that is your in-game currency, right?
And this is like this exact same analogy, right?
You take real money and you convert it into Ethereum and that is your Web3 currency for that particular chain.
So he has the concept like down already. Like this is not new at all, right?
For someone who understands that kind of like, you know, fiat to currency to using within a system which is so
fascinating yeah that's that's something that i've been like i've when i when i've given
presentations to like agencies and some companies and they're like the metaverse doesn't make sense
and like they're trying to explain it i'm like you know i'll kind of obviously give an explanation
but part of my explanation is like tough shit it's coming because like kids get it like it's
just it is what it is like like my children don't have any sort of like i remember when i got into nfts and i explained to my kids
who had already been on roblox and minecraft for a long time and they're just like yeah congrats
dad welcome to like what we've been doing for years and so it's like it's just a different
version of that with different value propositions and different abilities to do cool things
and you're crazy if you don't think people like my kids and Outer's kids
aren't going to prefer, you know,
to the alternative traditional track of jobs,
which some people will still do.
That's perfectly normal.
Different people have different things.
But kids like my kids and Outer's kids,
it's not crazy to think them and their friends
are going to want to create an entire
like Web3 type brand,
which essentially is an extension
of their Roblox and minecraft life
and continue to do the things they love for the rest of their lives because they they can because
they understand that sort of crossover especially as metaverse become bigger and get more built out
i want to touch on that because then i'm finally like oh my god i can finally fucking add you to
like my bag of voxel parcels as a contributor so you can go ham and like i gave him one i said okay this specific one is yours you can do anything within minutes he had like a whole robot build he's like
how do i do this and i just like pointed at him like you're right here and this is how you get
your boxes he's a minecraft junkie from before right it took him like two minutes to put up a
structure and like recolor it and do the whole thing stuff that was my bad everyone that was my bad i was
scrolling it was a slip go ahead keep going out or that was no that's okay yeah um yeah i was just
shocked at how like quickly that happened anyway so yeah i feel like they're just the next generation
i don't know what they're calling the like that the 20 i guess 2010 and um and earlier yet i don't know if they have
a name uh after gen z or whatever but like they're they're going to be like gen web 3 i don't know
it's it's pretty it's pretty impressive the meta gen or something we got to come up with a name
that that's better than that that's a shame that's changing yeah that's better my mine was very shitty
um but yeah we'll come up with a good one that uh comes up with it because i think they are going
to do that and like i see the wacky shit my kids literally do tutorials or like my kids my daughter my son
and their friends come home after school and they say competition who can do the best interpretation
of this and robux and they build for an hour and then they have us judging talk about like
being cultured and or and that's probably nothing right i can tell i'm my ignorance there my southeastern ohio upbringing coming out in me uh no offense to any uh anyone else
raised in the countryside um like i can't just like i'm like trying to get my head around like
the impact like the experience uh of an 11 year old attending a web3 conference like that and
just being immersed in in this you know bleeding ed tech tech for a weekend or you know days like it's just coming out of that like just i gotta imagine like the
wheels have to be spinning and what that could you know potentially set in motion it's it's it's
pretty incredible to think about so kudos to you and divide for uh maybe after the conference i'll
get him to come up with his own twitter and he can give his like the 11 year old take on nft london
because he's going to experience the whole thing with me and I'm going to be super curious about
it so if he's willing that'd be kind of interesting for us to deep dive like the the NFT conference
experience from an 11 year old mind I I would love that number one number two uh outer because
I know where we have we have our our kids around the same age we should I I'm figuring out and
we'll I knew we can talk offline about this of like what is the same age we should i i'm figuring out and we'll talk i knew we can
talk offline about this of like what is the right age if we do it correctly that i can start bringing
my daughter particularly like my son's not going to care as much even though he's great at roblox
and minecraft like the actual web 3 stuff doesn't geek him out as much as my daughter who she was
like writing down stock prices when she was like eight about like stocks when i was into that world
didn't she mint stuff for you guys when you were gone? I thought she like,
she got, she couldn't, she couldn't win the gas war. We FaceTimed her for the other side mint
because we were in New York and she had my wife's computer and she was cranking the Gway,
but we just didn't have enough ETH on my wife's account back home for her to get through the
other side mint. But she did crank the Gway my mom and my my son were watching in canto together with them and we just sat there in the voice chat and um talked her through it and
she was just from a distance was like cranking up the gas to the point she needed to it was just she
didn't have enough um ease for gas to make it through so no she'd be into it so like i'm trying
to figure out the right way to kind of bring her into this stuff because she would be interested
and i could see her being i mean she could be a little tech executive.
Like it would be amazing.
Let's let's,
let's keep rolling through hands.
I'm picturing like the Lala blues,
a kid stage.
It will be,
you know what?
Outer,
that's another,
let's have an offline discussion about like,
if we're kids get into this,
I think you should.
What a stage next year looks like a hundred percent.
NFT NYC.
I could see both your kids on a,
on a panel and NFT NYC. It would not be surprised. Maybe not next year, like 100 nft nyc i could see both your kids on a panel in nft nyc it would
not be surprised maybe not next year but definitely by i could definitely see it by 2024 for sure by
the time they're 16 a thousand percent um and then before we go to goody real quick just shout out on
uh london not only like how cool is it your son's getting to experience it and giving the flowers
for that but like how about the fact that like the like inclusiveness isn't necessarily the right word
maybe but i'm trying to search for the right word and it's fucking empowerment like somebody just
made this comment bella is like as a single mom you just brought tears to my eyes that are loom
and this is what's supporting women and my p looks like i'm in a women thing it's a parent thing you
can be a single fucking dad and show up with your kid and experience it the same way it's like this
is just being empowering to people
that have those kinds of circumstances
and allowing them not to choose being parents
versus being like working parents, right?
So I think like, yeah.
And I wrote back like some huge flowers for those guys.
I was like, geez, like that's incredible.
And yeah, it's just awesome for them to do that
because that is what that looks like, right?
When you don't kind of, you know, make certain things inaccessible based on kids. And they don't have to do that because that is what that looks like right when when you don't um kind of you know
make certain things inaccessible based on on kids and they don't have to do that they didn't have to
go out of their way but i don't know like i imagine not every single person's asking for this either
but it's nice that if someone reaches out and they're like hey can we make it work they didn't
just shut it down so yeah i think that's like super super empowering great word empowerment
that's what i was saying like they didn't say you're a parent, tough shit, figure it out and put more stress
on you. They empowered you to do it and made it
they turned a potentially stressful
situation into a great one. I love that.
Goody and then Bundy and then
we'll try to wrap by 1030 so we can do the
handoff to Ryan as usual. So Goody
by the way, if anyone's missing it, go ahead
and hit the reminder link
to Ryan's spaces all the way. Yeah.
Yeah. Link up top.
Hit the reminder button for sure.
Goody,
jump in.
Then we'll go Bundy and then we'll,
we'll shut it down.
Yeah.
I mean,
I can't wait for,
for tomorrow.
Cause I honestly had such an incredible time last week.
I mean,
even the guy in my feed, he's next to me again like all our feeds are
different of twitter spaces but in my feed he's next to me but Ryan had gave me a lot of time
had an amazing conversation with him I actually have a I was gonna write a thread about it without
like going into too much detail but just yeah like so many amazing incredible people
um it was great to to meet punter and i got to learn some sports betting stuff from him i'd never
been in a sports book before and didn't understand some of the etiquette stuff too so i like hugged
punter in front of two guys they got kind of pissed um so that that was that was pretty
funny but just did you win a bet they lost or something was that what happened uh dude it was
like the middle of the game for like two seconds like i was like you guys aren't gonna miss something
that's gonna like change your your pocket right now like let us say hi to each other I didn't understand the intensity of that one but
just in general it was really dope to like especially having moved to Vegas two weeks
before all this to have everybody come to like my home turf basically now and like meet everybody
and and just yeah it was awesome so I can't wait to talk tomorrow about it. It's going to be really fun, share a lot of stories.
I wrote down so many, you know me, I wrote down so many notes from the week,
kind of each day dumping my brain into the notebook
and figuring out everything that happened.
But, you know, just one quick moment uh to share was standing in a
circle having a conversation um out on like the wind terrace with ryan drew zeneca and jwags
and it was like oh and zach from uh gutter cat game from gutter Gang. And it was just like an incredible moment,
like that I had to like have this out of body experience
almost during it where I just appreciate,
wow, all these people that I've connected with
or looked up to on the Twitter timeline
and in this NFT space are just, you know,
we're all just casually having a conversation.
And it was, yeah, a really dope time all around.
I don't really have any other adjectives for it.
But I can't wait to talk about it tomorrow.
And I'm really sad that you and Captain couldn't be there.
And you out as well.
Like, that would have been really, really awesome.
What city was it in?
It was in Vegas.
Yeah, no, it sounds awesome.
And I know what those feelings are like
when I think about like, you know,
Cap being like,
Cap's like someone I looked up to early on in the space
as well as, you know,
people like, you know,
Josh Ong and Baron Von Hustle
and some of the original apes
who like helped usher me into Web3
by answering all my basic questions about things
a couple, you know, a couple of years ago
when I would jump into spaces
and, you know, muster up the bravery to go on stage and start asking questions about you know nfts and what they
saw and how they saw it in zg another one with crypto just an absolute og and then when i meet
them and i'm like wait are we all we're like friends now this is weird like just because
it's like it's people that you you you admire and then you're like friends with them it's just
it's very cool so it's just it's a whole different like and it comes to a point where you're like you almost have to get out of your
own head of like i'm not supposed to be here and be like oh yeah like like i probably never would
have been friends with a guy wearing a uh what are these overalls with a multi-colored fanny pack
uh had i not connected with with goody prior to uh in real life yeah it's just it's a whole
different world but um let's go let's go to
bundy and then we'll close down shots at my outfit i'm not taking shots it's very it's very on brand
and i love it it was my favorite photo at that party i had literally i don't doubt it i don't
doubt it oh no i'm like this is this is like if steve and were cool, we would attempt to pull something like this off.
Like this is like what people I think like this is like what Steve and I picture like they make fun of us in our neon yellow Adidas tracksuits.
Like we would look like that if we tried to pull something like this off.
But you pull it off.
I'm jealous.
I try to be practice compersion, but this is an area of my life
I could not pull off
this kind of fashion.
Goody's got the vibe,
and I will say,
people shit on the Moonbirds.
People have a lot to say
about Moonbirds panty packs
when they drop.
When I wore mine around New York
after I got it,
I wear it to travel everywhere.
I get more comments
unsolicited on that panty pack
from people not in NFTs
than any single thing
I ever wear
outside of the clubhouse archive
jacket i mean it is nuts so um but the good part is that's just a codopaxia fan wait is it the
yeah i was gonna ask if it's the lulu moonbirds one or if it's the the colored one for the second
net the codopaxi one it actually matches my my spinner hat oddly which is like computer
serendipity that it's the same exact colors.
Mine is so American, I can't.
It's like red, white, and blue.
And I'm like, okay,
but Ape Meg's gonna treat me.
Yeah, they're good, they're good.
Bundy, pop in,
and then we'll close down for the day.
Bundy, you jump in,
and Ryan, we'll see you in a couple minutes.
Bundy, go ahead, hop in.
Yeah, I'll make it real quick.
Just wanna say two things.
I know when we wanna jump over to Ryan's spaces.
I'm sorry. One, uh, in real life events are hands down by far the most important thing in this space. I went to an event this weekend in Orlando ran by this group called Web3 CFL. And I ended up meeting and linking with, uh, he goes by Yuki. He's actually running the NFT events for the Tampa Bay Rays.
And although Candy does a lot of the Rays stuff and they really can't do much,
I'm actually going to get the chance to link up with them
because they actually own the Tampa Bay Rowdies, the soccer team as well.
So we're going to try and start, come up with some ideas for some events.
So you just never know who you're going to run
into and be able to talk to and the second thing is it's crazy how us as adults really
don't even understand how our kids have been molded for the metaverse already
it's so true i mean it goes down to like every time like adults say i mean look i i won't go on
the the rant as i do sometimes but i mean the fact of the matter is I built I was building websites when I was in middle school and I had teachers tell me it was a waste of time because the Internet, not ever a business, you know, a website.
And this is a waste. So, I mean, look, there's there's things that change and things that, you know, like a lot of times us as an older generation.
And I'm speaking, you know, I'm I know, you know, Bundy I know Bundy, you're in our age bracket, and Cap, and me.
I'm 39, so I'm going to hit the big 4-0 this year.
I went to my friend's 40th.
My friend and I went out to dinner for his 40th over the weekend.
So it's like, we're getting old.
We're getting into the middle innings here.
40-21, Steve. But my point being like a lot of
times people in these age brackets don't pay attention to what their kids do or they think
they know it all or they you know try to and it's like at the end of the day like
watch what your kids do because i always map back to me being you know fine like looking at it and
being like yo like my my teachers told me not to build
websites dude you how just how you said like our kids are being molded for web 3 like i i i
have it like i yeah i think our generation we were you know very fortunate the time and era we grew
up we were molded for web 2 and i've never really thought of it that way uh but but you know like
you talking about designing websites early i always you know I built my first computer at 18 you know it's like that's not like big level stuff today but early on it was like
we were just into into tech and it was we were young where it wasn't even like difficult for
us to embrace something new and I think like right now we're talking about how there's this
the challenge of onboarding and this has to get better and you know maybe the reality is we're
just the olds and it's actually the 11 the 12 the 13 year olds are going to be the ones that figure
out how to how to really onboard the masses and make this this world something that's just it's
it's it's easy to understand and and uh and and operate in yeah a thousand percent and that's yeah
thousand percent um goody go ahead and pop in then in. Then we'll send everybody over to Ryan.
I was just going to say I pinned the outfit that they were making fun of to the top.
It was fly as hell.
And that's all I'm going to say.
I rocked it at DGNNFT at Area 15.
And mostly Solana people there, but they all like the outfit.
So, I mean, i don't know what their
taste is like uh but at the same time it looks like it looks like a solana outfit i i can see
i could be i actually i will say i i saw that same picture and my reaction was exactly i think
what what cap was saying just to you know continue to like you know harp on it that is a one that is a bomb outfit you can pull it off i would look i wouldn't be allowed within 300 feet of uh casino
because they think that i was like a like i get this guy they they would they i get arrested i'd
wear i'd get arrested but like that is an amazing go ahead i think we're like this like steve and i
are gonna have to go like as goody some
halloween like one of these years if there's a like an end of october early november nft meet
up like steve and i will have to go as this version of goody just show up with fanny packs
and and overalls but but i i am i am jealous i am i am envious i think that the way the fact
that you can pull that off and i like I saw it and I was like and again like
we've talked we've talked on the phone I've seen obviously I know what you look like from previous
because even before you had kind of docks you had sent me some you know videos and things of like
you know you giving you know talks and things and I looked at that and I was like I mean I saw that
person I was like yeah there's Goody like I didn't even think twice about it and I was just like the
drip is on fire like I thought it was great so uh props to you, Goody. And, you know,
keep,
you know,
keep rolling with the style because I think it's like,
it's got a very,
that that's,
you know what Goody,
you know what Goody would fit in?
Well,
Cap,
one of the festivals we would go to back when we were youngins.
Right.
I mean, like where that's a Bonnaroo and it's like,
you know,
where that's a Bonnaroo and you're going to see 10 people actually dress
very similarly.
So it's like,
you know,
it's,
it's good look.
I'm waiting for i i
agree with the you double down on the name your name goody the handle um we were talking about
pfps earlier i think branding it it's it's two two ways right it's not just this digital web
three world it's also the in real life uh world as well and you know steve's done that at every
conference i i've taken inspiration from him with the stickers like we talked about earlier and i think like like we can we can laugh and
joke about it but it's like this it's memorable like i guarantee you some of those conversations
that you were having on the balcony or wherever there's other other individuals that remember
remember goody because of they they associate the name with the fun uh the fun fit and and yeah i
you know i i like i'm in all seriousness i'm not like
i hope you you don't read my uh my jabs as anything other than than like i it's it's personal
jealousy that i can't pull it off and and props to you for the personal brand and i think it's
it's very well done it's always good to stand out for branding like i went to this event and i had
the goat logo on the back of my head shaved into the back of my head yeah i saw that that was fucking flames that was so cool fire i don't think i could shave the back
of my head like that but i appreciate it no it was it was just uh i didn't think it was it was
harsh ribbing um the next thing i'm waiting for though is is james to hook me up with some stuff
so that i can rock that on the strip when I'm starting to do this like man
on the street content um I do need some at least the bomber jacket from him that Steve was rocking
I think the craziest like I guess branding if you can call it that IRL thing that happened to me was
at NFT NYC when I was standing on the corner with the wide waiting for an uber and I hopped into a
Twitter spaces and I was just like talking to whoever was on there fomoing about not being in the fmc and i heard someone behind
me go outer lumen just like based on my fucking voice because i was not wearing any branded
anything and i turned around and he's like i'm keith from moonbirds it was fucking hilarious i'm
like keith how are you i know you obviously from spaces but and from moonbirds but was fucking hilarious i'm like keith how are you i know you obviously from
spaces but and from moonbirds but i had like no idea that my voice i guess was recognizable enough
on a street corner that if you heard me in this space you would recognize me outside on the street
corner that was so wild and wholesome and amazing yeah well it was it was funny the first laugh the
laugh is patentable i was gonna say i think I'd recognize the laugh over anything like if I heard you in public just like laugh at one of divides jokes or something and then looked up and saw some a giant next to you. It'd be like immediate recognition.
and then and then he said that and he's like outer lumen and i'm like wait what and it took
me like i had like cognitive dissonance because it was me in the space but they were calling me
in real life behind me it was such a like it was wild it was right after we didn't get into the
goblin party it's funny because i also like the first time we met i remember like it was at a
fest i remember distinctly i think it was bunchy was like steve and i was like who was like yeah
what's up and he's like you know you, someone to meet or something like, like there was like someone I needed to meet.
And then he goes like, outer lumen.
And like my face got real wide and I didn't want to be a weirdo, but I almost like the first thing in my head is I want to be like, say something, say something.
Like I almost wanted to be like, or like laugh.
Just because like, that's how we know each other through our voices or whatever.
And it's funny because I have the same experience extremely regularly you do.
Cause I go on a lot of Twitter spaces and I've been less participatory now where I kind of do captain and I'll hop in occasionally in some other things.
But, you know, I've been like busy with like work, work, but like for a while I'll be in Twitter spaces, like for hours on end a day.
And, you know, especially even when I worked my normal, normal real job, it's like, if I had a break, I'd walk my dog, Twitter space, Twitter space.
And so I would go to any meetup and I'd be having a conversation.
And I had multiple, multiple instances where I would get tapped on the shoulder.
And it's like, are you Steve?
Are you NFT Bark?
I think just because I'm up talking so much and, you know, people hear it.
Like Drew Barman always comments.
He's like, it's the voice.
Like, and I, Drew Barman's another one.
He's got the voice.
So, um, I don't know.
Is it just because we're obnoxiously loud
in the crowd? Yeah, I think
so. I think that's
who we are. But you know what?
I'll own that.
But yeah, so with that said,
appreciate everybody
coming by this morning. Again, I want to hand people over
to Ryan Space because he shows up
to ours sometimes and it's not even an official, like, DGEN partnership or anything.
I just, like, want people to be able to consume great content.
And, you know, if you're here, then you'll appreciate Ryan when you hop over there.
A lot of the same folks hop over and have great conversations.
He does the news.
And so people don't know, like, basically, like, the impetus of it is he does daily research on, you know, what is important in the NFT space because he literally has a fund he's running.
And he's like, well, I have this every day.
Why not share it with everybody else?
So a lot of value can get there with NFT trends and news and everything.
And, you know, really appreciate Ryan.
He's a friend and he's a good guy and really cares about where the space is going.
uh, where the space is going. So worth heading over there. Um, you know, with that said, um,
So worth heading over there.
in the next probably 20 minutes, I'm going to hit send on this tweet thread, which is like,
I'm nervous for some reason. I'm like, nobody's going to care.
Special guest tomorrow.
Yeah.
Special guest. We're going to throw up the sirens for special guest tomorrow.
Yeah. So we'll, uh, like I have this weird nervousness cause I've told a few people about
this, but not a ton. And so, you know, it'll be out there. So anyway, going to do that in a little
bit here. And, uh, yeah, with that said, I'm going to probably head over and hit send on that. And we'll see everybody bright and early tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. Have a wonderful, wonderful day, everybody.
Appreciate everyone tuning in. Have a good one.
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